Why is it bad for me to support my country having borders and laws if it helps me...

Why is it bad for me to support my country having borders and laws if it helps me? Borders and laws are spooks but if I'm better off with them aren't I being a good egoist by wanting to keep them around?

Also anybody who says having an area where we can enforce laws in and throw out people we don't want there is never good is full of shit.

Wouldn't egoism be considered a Jewish ideology, though?

Nations are a spook, but that doesn't mean we don't need to use them, you are spooked when the spook uses you (ex: dying for your country).

Necessary under capitalism. Not so much under socialism.

Now you're just strawmaning.

What makes spooks are not the concepts per se but your attitude toward them.
If borders and laws are nothing but tools for you, you're not spooked by them
If you worship Borders and Laws as some kind of sacred entity and if you're ready to sacrifice yourself for their sake, if you can't see people beyond the category of Outsider/Insider and Criminal/Good Citizen, then Borders and Laws are your spooks.

But even if you don't worship borders and laws in themselves, that doesn't mean you're not victim of spooks, for you could consider borders and laws as tools for an other idea, ie the Nation, the Race ,the State, God, etc. The true egoist don't put anything above himself. Neither ideas nor passions.
Satisfied?

How do you know a man who dies for his country wasn't trying to prevent hostile foreign terrorists from entering the borders of his country and endangering his family?

He would still be doing what made him feel best, which is acting in his own self-interest.

example:
A man dies in a war fighting against mudslimes because it can help prevent them from entering the borders of his country and harming his wife and daughter. He is acting in his own self-interest because for him being dead would be better them being alive and having the mudslimes take over his country.

Then he's not dying for his country, retard. He's dying for his family/property/own.

He can do both at the same time, his personal goal is to prevent the mudslimes from entering his country, but the goal of the military he is serving in is to protect the entire country. He may do things that won't effect his family's safety while in the military because he is ordered to.

Spook, his family is not himself, sacrificing himself for the family may be moral (another spook) but certainly not egoist.

That's a spook, for he put the well being of the country is above his own life, for he believe he need his country to be pure from Muslims to be happy. If he was a proper egoist, he would have been able to disregard the Fatherland once it stopped serving his individual interests.

Listen if you want to die over on whatever hill that's your problem but just don't fool yourself into thinking it's egoism.

If he does things for any reason that aren't self-interest he's spooked.

If he's doing those things because he's being ordered to then he is not dying for his country but rather for his master out of coercion for he has become a slave/property of those with power over him. This too is not egoist.

You mean how people in the middle-east see the US?

If he would feel better putting himself in danger of death trying to protect his wife and kids than standing by and doing nothing while they may be at risk of death he is acting in his own self-interest.

If being in the army serves a greater chance of himself getting what he wants even when he has to do something he doesn't want to he is still acting in self-interest.

Certainly, but its not dying for one's country.

It doesn't matter, he will still be serving in the army, it can be for any purpose, he will still be preforming the same actions while doing what he thinks is best for the safety of his family.

An egoist will defend their property (ie. family) but only if he has the power to keep it. An egoist will never sacrifice themselves for it because his self-interest is paramount. For the egoist there is no use for the family beyond his own, thus he can never die for it no matter how nice it makes him feel to have sacrificed himself since he's spooked.

But why would he feel better? Is it because not helping them would make him feel guilty? Then it's a spook.
Is it because of Love? Another spook, for he's enslaving himself to the well being of others.So not egoist.

Being spooked don't forbid an emotional aspect, on the contrary, that's what makes the spooked man dangerous for the egoist.

I don't think you understand Egoism. Altruism would be more your thing. (selected altruism at least)

^This was the problem. He wasn't dying for his country.

Most fathers would rather put their life at risk trying to kill people who want to hurt their family than stand around and do nothing.
To them doing something would be better for them than the regret that could come after the loss of their family.

He's not enslaved to anything, he's doing something to prevent himself from feeling like shit in the future.

He's spooked af

sorry m80 egoism clearly ain't for ya.

Yes, he's enslaved to either the guilt or he's dependant on a particular relationship. That's like saying a methhead is not enslaved by meth because he feel pleasure when taking it and feel bad when he can't consume it.

Listen, i know you don't even care about egoism, i know you can't imagine a life beside the Tribe. You only try to turn Holla Forums's meme against itself. But it ain't gonna work if you don't understand the reference behind it.
I'm not even gonna post The Ego and His Own, because even if you finally start to read it (which i doubt), the very concept of egoism would just be alien to your thought process.

If can't free yourself from your concept of Good and Bad, at least try to learn from the best.

What's the point of egoism when I can't even do what I want? Almost every man with a kid would fight for them at his own risk and would rather be killed than have them hurt. What's the point of egoism if it has the potential to make somebody miserable? I thought the point of egoism is doing what you want, if you can't save somebody who you would feel better dying for than letting die what's the point of egoism?

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If you don't see the point, then egoism just isn't for you, period.
If there is more to you than yourself, then for you egoism is garbage and you move on. Simple.

There's your problem
Still thinking in terms of feels > reals here. The problem is your still spooked. Egoism is about 'despooking' yourself, liberating oneself as far as one can.

Stay spooked kid.

Whatever you say you fucking clowns, you realize that language is JUST as much of a spook as borders are right?
Language is just vibrations in the air/symbols on a piece of paper or monitor. These things hold no meaning outside of one's own head.

Also nobody is going to save themselves over their family, no matter how much of an egoist they are the vast majority of people with kids would die to save them.

You need to take your meme philosophy and flush it.

As long as you can give, in 25 word or less, a not spooky reason why borders are good and you are better off without them.

I'm less likely to die if there's something better than a shitty anarchist militia defending me. It's in my best interest to live somewhere with a strong army defending the borders of a country than I am in an anarcho-whatever shithole dystopia where mudslimes and other subhumans can get close to me.

Nope, langage is a tool. Altough theoretically, it could become a spook but no one ever eviscerated people screaming "grammar ackbar" afaik.

You're really naive.


Race is a spook. You lost. Try again

Borders are also a fucking tool, which is why they were thought of in the first place. They allow a country an area in which to govern.

Also I wasn't talking specifically about race, but rather a belief system which causes people to act out violently.

If you could be dropped off in either Europe or Saudi Arabia which area would you pick? You would pick Europe, anybody with a fucking brain would pick Europe.

As long as global capitalism exists borders will continue to exist. It has nothing to do with egoism but the survival of the current economic system. A true egoist seeks to better the situation in order to AVOID having to deal with things like the refugee crisis in the future.

The current European refugee disaster shows you how far Capitalist destruction can go, to acquire cheap labor, and what a destructive role the America plays in all of this imperialist game in the Midd-East.

People who advocate "open borders" in existing capitalism are either dumb liberals(fake altruists) or naive anarchists (fake egoists). And even where the revolution to happen, borders would still exist if neighboring countries still had Capitalism, which is exactly what happened (in 1917-1920) and what should happen.

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You know, there can be an egoist vision of borders
but the problem is that YOU couldn't make your point without refering to your spooks. We got it, you're shit scarred of non Whites. But don't go around pretending you're not spooked bcause that's clearly not the case.

Until there's health epidemics from outbreeding depression.

The point still stands.

I live in the south you fucking pussy, black people are fucking everywhere. We need borders so that we have an area to enforce laws in and to protect ourselves from any hostile group, having a border is superior for this reason.

Without borders there's nowhere to throw out people you don't want in your country. you can't exactly deport people if you have no borders.

Because if you have borders then that wouldn't be how Holla Forums likes it because it Holla Forums likes to act from a position of platonic game theory that will never exist, except as meme.

Imagine a retard in a wheelchair, and then imagine him saying spook to people who are walking because he has left this primitive bodily function.

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Immediately failed the spook test
What does that have to do with the status and use of national borders?

Also do you propose we just deport anyone we don't like, including other races? Because that seems to be what you think an egoist country will be like with all you "why cant I do wat I want" rhetoric but its neither feasible nor does t make any sense

It makes sense that you would be retarded then. I feel bad for the blacks who have to put up with you :/

Well white people in the south have more black heritage than whites in any other part of the country, so yeah it does make sense that I'd be retarded.

If you aren't part of the master race, ie. 1000% ARIAN made in Iran (tm), why are you even a nazi? Do you enjoy masochism?