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Kek, I imagined for a moment an actual Holla Forumsack neckbeard in bed with a Negro rabbi

Arguing with anarchists is funny as fuck for one, and two, theory is important.

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to the OP Holla Forums is only autistic enough to plough through the emails because they think they're going to find evidence of the Mason Zionist conspiracy

but our politics are irrelevant. the average person doesnt even know what socialism is.

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B████ ██████ was supported until he betrayed us by supporting shillary, and as a european I don't give a damn about your puppet show

DAILY REMINDER THAT Holla Forums HATES SHILLS YET SHILLS DAILY FOR TRUMP

i didn like B████ tbh

don't you mean (((our)))

there is literally nothing wrong with being jewish

I've been going to Holla Forums the last few months, shitposting and derailing hundreds of threads, it's hilarious.

Somewhere some guy shot someone! This changes EVERYTHING!!!

This is globalized housewife chatter. 98% of "events" are nothing but propaganda crap designed to make you feel important and not ask questions. That's all there is to Holla Forums or modern "news".

I don't care. It's as if it matters who gets "elected".

this.
posting shit like pic related trigger them so much and derail everything theyre discussing, its awesome.

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Holla Forums' fully embraced the Spectacle.Holla Forums try to reject it when we should learn to subvert it.

No thanks I'l pass.

also at least we have flags.
and yes
bantering with anarchists is funny as fuck and at the end of the day, we're all comrades :3 not rly fugg u

wish the ussr felt the same way

we like being le sekret klub and dont actually want to spread our ideology.

Just fuck my class consciousness up fam.

I challenge you to a political debate but maybe tomorrow, now i'm too tired to keep going kek

me 2 comrade, me 2

hahahahahahahahaha no son.

Oh that reminds me, I've been meaning to have a thread or two on Holla Forums asking if they have any questions about Marxist theory. I was hoping it would clear up some misconceptions, particularly about the "Cultural Marxism" meme.

Is this a good idea? Or would it just be a shitfest?

More like circlejerking.

If I'm on tomorrow I'll be glad to have it. I've been posting here too much lel. Always in the mood for more fun with my anarchist friends.

Is leftypol friendly to brit/pol/?

Go ahead, they'll probably keep repeating that you got Marxism wrong, they'll ignore systematically whatever point you could make about the content of the Frankfurt school because muh jewish plot, at worse you'll be called Shill, brainwashed cuck, retard kike or whatever. But i'm sure some f the post could be unintentionnaly funny.
At some point I was thinking about posting a pdf of Adorno for the lulz over there but their fucking board apparently don't support that format.

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but they did find evidence user.

sure

When the left unites under WATL. It is the only way.

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I remember months ago when /left tool/ was B████ Central

He was a "Socialist" who was campaigning to spend 4 years in a mansion

And you people fell for this blatant scam artist

dude lmao. You just revealed your literacy level

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He was campaigning to be the president of the United States btw, I know it's hard for Holla Forumslyps to grasp politics though.

Good question though.

Nobody "fell" for anything, Holla Forums shilled for S█████ on the grounds of platformism. He wasn't going to win and DNC leak just confirms that they did anything in their powers to stop him.

Nobody "scammed" anyone apart from Shillary scamming the American people, and Trump sub 80 IQ republicans.

Do you know the exact roll of the president friend?

He is the senior executive officer of the military

Things like border policy is quite literally his job

Bernie was another hack trying to ride on the back of FDRs executive acts that expanded the power of his cabinet

Abstract one-upmanship over (((theory))) does not a relevant debate make. You think you're above the fray. Really you're pretty irrelevant.

You mean just like how Reagan sold all of those guns to the Iran contras extrajudicialy?

Did I say I supported Reagan? Do you have anything else you would like to project?

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Yeah and Trumps border policy is a non-solution to the collapse of late-stage capitalism! He wants to hurt the working people but you guys are just to stupid to see it.

Just because the right wing has shit theory like Evola and Yockey doesn't mean you have to be salty.

You said it friend, not me. And rather poorly at that regardless
So about all the relevant politics you people are "discussing"

No but you were making a pretty fucking stupid point about presidential executive acts, which every president has used in the history of the US, much less FDR who did it to save the US from a near total labor breakdown in the face union strikes during the great depression.

Anything else about it is lolbertarian propaganda that ignores that the US has always had a big state and a powerful central government

your (((theory))) is so powerful that here we are 150 years post Marx and you're still stuck in square one. I am laffin.

Go on. Gimme one useful, relevant example of leftist theory since 1900

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The Russian revolution?

WHAT EVENTS?

IF anything happes, we dis when it happens and get on with it.

But is anything happening?

Another shooting, another death, another coup, another faggot… just yet another.

When you go Historical Materialism, all these "events" mean nothing by themselves.

m8 Marxism dominates academia and several schools of economic theory.

Nazism is vilified by virtually every single country on earth. We are far more relevant than you.

Unless of course you think your meme candidate Trump and his Israeli backers are the face of Neo-Nazism today, in that case I just feel sorry for you.

Was that anything new? I thought it was basically the whole revolution thing put into practice. Which remains to this day the most successful attempt at trying to do socialism. But I think the potential of such is gone in the west.

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When capitalism fails the left will see an insurgence provided we have a platform. No matter what you wanna say, B████ made the dichotomy between neocon Clinton and the actual "left"(social democrats are left but not radicals) explicit. We need to build off this momentum but we are far from being in the dustbin of history.

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Nazi's are evil because they are deluded psychopaths. You guys are irrelevant

You forgot the part where [insert latest mass shooter here] was secretly a ZOG Occupied Government-supported agent out to distract people from the hook-nosed monsters living in the White House attic.

Russia's success had jack shit to do with communism. It was purely nationalism/Stalinism. Stalinism Russia was no different from Hitler's Germany with the exception that Nazi Germany was explicitly nationalist

Without nationalism communism just produces North Korea's and Cubas

Actually true. Refreshing to hear left/pol/ admit this for once. But even with an echochamber in academia, you are no closer to doing socialism today than the west has been throughout the 20th century. It is pretty much solely academic at this stage. Something that guilt-ridden whites can do to kid themselves that they are the exception in the west. 'Sure the rest of the world is exploited for the gain of the west, but I'm above it. Look I wrote this paper proving exploitation'. It's fucking worthless.

The bitterest irony I'm sure is that neo-liberalism has on a global scale done far more for global redistribution of wealth than the last 100 years of recycled (((theory)))

I don't understand the point you are making. Marxism has always had a foothold in academia as philosophical school of thought. Sure it's not as relevant today as it was back in the 60's but it still exists.

Nazism on the other hand exists only the form of lumpen prole criminals. We can discuss about a resurgence of corporatist fascism but Nazi like governance based on ethnic origin is pretty much dead everywhere.

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They're not. It's propaganda. Most Works are living in constant fear

Examples of communism working with nationalism are the USSR up until people stopped giving a shit and China before they started adopting capitalist ideas

Stalinist central planning backed by authoritarianism. Nothing new in terms of theory though. All you list was old theory irrelevant inn the west were people are too comfortable and weak to do shit.


I'd say it has already failed for most people. Yet here you are attacking the very people you need on side. Good job.


SocDem will only result in globalisation and more bennies. See NuLabour.

You're retarded. These people were motivated by communism. Lenin wrote plenty of books about the evils of capitalism. Some of his books are cornerstones of Marxist theory, mainly "Imperialism the highest form of Capitalism"

I understand that Nazi's like to appropriate more intellectually rigorous ideas to yourself but come on.


Except they are. They literally changed their time zone to seperate themselves from Japan. The USSR was not ethnically nationalist either you retard. They were nationalist in the sense they feel unified under the banner of communism, but they didn't want to exterminate the Khazars because they were an "inferior race".

You know nothing of Communism.

Socdem are useless but that wasn't the point. The point was it showed the distinction between the Democratic party and leftist. We now need to radicalize using this momentum.

On the contrary. With soon-to-be Trump America, modern China, Putin's Russia, Brexit, Japan, and even the UAE. Nationalism is more relevant now than it ever was before

If there is one thing leftists and muh nahzees can agree on is that Globalization has to end one way or another

We just need to bring it in by the back door. That's what the alt-left is for.

Okay

Look up the concept of "Civic Nationalism" you turd. America during the gilded age was no different

Sure! You mean corporations and so on, right?

I think the word you are looking for is "patriotism", which is different from nationalism.

When are these Holla Forums chimps going to realize that argument doesn't do them any favors

Nazism and Nationalism are not the same.

And Globalization has accommodated and used nationalism before. Before WWII Wall Street was investing in Nazi Germany and today's Russia and Turkey are a perfect example how you can have globalization with authoritarian nationalistic governments. Just maintain a capitalist oligarchy and use media/police/gov intelligence to crack and neutralize dissent.

A distinction that the rest of the world is already aware of. Besides, it's you people who say socdems will always fuck the cause and go for reformism. It is this reformism that raised the appeal of Berners, the pointig at the 1% and threatening to do something. Corbyn is far to the left of S█████ but still proposes nothing that brings your goal closer. Because your goal isn't about improving lives, but getting one over on an illusionary class that your theory has taught you to hate. Y'all in here want to own that boot. Nothing more.

It fucking does according to most of the regulars on this board.

This! We- I mean porkies aren't real!

This does two things.

First it implies you haven't opened a book about the subject you're arguing on.

Second it implies you're simplistic to such a fault you see more competent resource management of society as class hatred.

Though to be fair, bougie people are fairly disconnected and easy to hate.

>Because your goal isn't about improving lives, but getting one over on an illusionary class that your theory has taught you to hate. Y'all in here want to own that boot. Nothing more.

AND WE ARE GOING TO DO IT ALL OVER AGAIN. GULAG ALL THE CAPITALISTS AND COUNTER-REVOLUTIONARIES I DON'T GIVE A FUCK. I MASTURBATE TO ALL THOSE WHO WERE PURGED, NOW WE HAVE TO TRY TO BEAT THE HIGH-SCORE PAPA STALIN MADE!

You are retarded. At least educate yourself so as not to sound that dumb.

Stalinism IS Communism. And there was no nationalism. Not in the way you are imagining.

On the other hand, North Korea IS nationalist through and through.

Oh I wouldn't oppose this. I do oppose the nice guy guise you often act under. Socialism only works and sustains under authoritarian systems. That you try to claim things like personal liberty as leftism is what pisses me off

This is a much more honest version of practicable leftism. Which brings us nicely back to my point. Your theory hasn't moved on since the 19th century. And yet here you all sit, circle-jerking over the sense of importance splitting hairs over dusty old theory gives you.

FTFY.


They are more nationalistic because of the Korean war. This is natural. But in terms of the economy they are the closest to Stalin's system we have today.

I wonder what the Market works under. Hey, can you tell me what great alternatives we have if we don't want to participate? None?

Huh. Wonder what happened. Oh well. I guess they just disappeared because communism is a singular bogeyman totalitarian government.

The United States is free of any guilt.


The only kind of person I've seen use such a meaningless bullshit empty phrase "personal liberty" is you retards


No you can have the meaningless bullshit empty phrases.

It physically hurts to read your posts. It's as if I talking to a monkey. And I'm not even touching philosophy here.


You said they were not nationalist, you moron.

No. You don't have a slightest about what you are talking.

Exactly!
The academia is corrupt, cause it will rather publish BS than do any actual work!

And that's why it's using feminism and tries to make it relevant!

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The academics are corrupt because they disagree with my findings and I'd rather cry about theory being a gigantic culture destroying juggernaut than get a degree.


I agree. These god damn philosophers and educated people are destroying the fabric of life

Yeah.
So we're not so outraged about single events, and are more concerned with macro-scale change.
What is the problem exactly?

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The hell are you talking about?


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People on here are forever trying to tell me that libertarianism is a leftist position. Like everything else it appears, only when it suits you.


Think you're confusing me with somebody else dear.


Ok then. What is the single biggest divergence from Stalinist USSR -IN TERMS OF THE ECONOMY- In North Korea?

They both centrally planned
promote urbanisation
manage to starve loads of their people. Am I missing something?

The left during the revolution was communist?

What you're very well ignorant of apparently.

Are you fucking kidding me, Juche is Turd Position as fuck.

This is pretty good bait, you're gonna fit right in.


Academia does a lot of work, it's just easier some days to publish bullshit if it meets quotas. Even that is research of one kind or another.

Just that they were able to prove monopoles using Spin Ice was pretty good; a lot of research though will remain taboo and forbidden due to their standard, and all this important groundbreaking research will get done regardless because the competition is still high for a lot of things.


Academia are corrupt because certain subjects will not get attention, while subjects that favor a certain narrative will be given moderately high attention to feed into the demands of society.

Everything uses feminism to get attention, this is the only way gay rights was able to get off the ground, humans are conditioned at a biological level to follow the law of "Women first. Children second. Men last."

Not all education is productive. I thought commies would know this? Oh wait, my bad. In glorious utopic communism, where individual liberty is respected and we have infinite resources, I'm sure the millions of degrees in Film Studies will make an immense contribution.

That god damn peer review again ruining my life because it's considered dubious


That god damn peer review again ruining my life because,

To be honest? I couldn't think of a great way to respond to this degenerative tripe. So I'm just going to throw in more meaningless statements without weight that seem within your capacity for critical thinking.

That god damn peer review again ruining my life because, the liberal media enforces their rule?

Is that good? It sounds like something you and your ilk would actually think.

So you're blaming the markets for making evert attempt at socialism authoritarian?

Yes. So you're blaming the markets for making every attempt at socialism authoritarian?

That was exactly what I was implying when I said


To a letter, that is what I said.

Formally? No. Those ideologies hadn't been formulated yet. Still to place the responsibility for the ills of society on the institution of private property, albeit without directly calling for its abolition, was fairly common in that area and around that time, and the conditions that sprung from eliminating the old French monarchist order allowed for such leftist traditions to flourish.

We're against "globalization" as far as Capitalism exist.

Academia will always try to argue with, mock, and ruin the lives of people with new theories- this is normal and acceptable behavior.

I'm referring strictly to forbidden and taboo research on subjects like that skull found in ancient Greece or anything that'd argue against the Out of Africa theory- people that research this are met with more violent extremism.

Then there’s those moments where people have their lives destroyed just for being racist.

archive.is/NPxSZ

So we're on the same page. Now maybe one of you can answer the question instead of getting all in a tizzy.

Anyway, I stand by my point here>>811017

You people have nothing original or even a rebranding of the old. As such much more of your energy is spent in attacking shit like nationalism, that actually offers some (likely false) hope to the very people you profess to care about.

Holla Forums are unconcerned with theory because they don't actually care about an end goal, they care about circlejerking over how edgy they are on social media. They're Jewish conspiracy theorists that support a Zionist that will delegate most actual governing to a neocon.

They also don't give a shit about most kinds of relevant news, they care about terrorist attacks so they can shitpost here about how they were right again and we need to kill them all before getting bored after a day.

Holla Forums doesn't have a LOT of current events, but it has plenty. That's the least of its problems.

No we're not I was insinuating that the Cold War and Truman Doctrine (ie wipe any trace of communism off the face of the Earth and sabotage it, sabotage populism and collectivism wherever it may appear) existed.

But you apparently never graudated middle school and can't grasp fucking jokes that aren't spelled out for you.

But that isn't surprising considering you came from Holla Forums, isn't it?

Every time.


There's a difference between the ethnic-patriotism you push designating people slaves to your ideology and the idea of a unified bourgeois regardless of your nation.

Every time.

I'd say the opposite is true. Why the hell do you people need so damned much theory just to do a revolution?

If you say some stupid god damn shit that's false they're going to hound you and ask for sources and throw you out.

You can't go to philosophy and argue Plato was correct about Atlantis, and you can't go to the humanities and scream out "ANTI-RACISM IS CODE WORD FOR deeply triggering and problematic ANTI RACISM IS CODE WORD deeply triggering and problematic FEMINISM FEMINISM FEMINISM SARGON OF AKKAD"

You just can't. If you don't want me to strawman you as a fucking buffoon be more specific about your gripes with this oh so evil "academia" that those wicked witches conspire in.

Is it the wicked witches and jews themselves or is it something else, at leas give me specifics.


Wow I haven't even gotten to the next part holy shit


Oh nooooo

As a matter of fact, creating a new society requires an immense amount of research and thought. Not random acts of violence because you think you're being treated unfairly.

The idea there can ever be "too much theory" over the unknown civilization is fucking laughable. Of course there's an immense amount.

You make no sense. Speak plainly, make your point or shut your noise.

Which doesn't change the fact that peer review for any kind of research or proposition meant to be taken seriously.


It has not and has never been taboo when not explicitly politically related, i.e. race and IQ. Controversy only happens when the media takes everything out of context to stir controversy, or some hack latches their agendas to it, i.e. Nicholas Wade and his comically unscientific book.
Academia became a circlejerk because it used to be necessary.


Watson deserved it for what he and Crick did to Franklin though, if only in this particular case. He was also already very infamous in academia for being an insufferable prick, even when his views were socially acceptable.

Because if we aren't sure that we know what we're doing, revolution is suicide.

This is a major source of strife among fucked up """""communist""""" movements with people like Mao just pulling ideas out of their asses.

I just did. Do you not even know what the Truman Doctrine was?

When I say, "Cold War", what pops into your head?

So how's that one coming along? And you can't have it both ways. Either you accept that Marxist thought is influential in academia today and that much of what we'd call post-modernism IS a development of modern, socialist driven thinking. Or it is as I said, that your theory is stuck in the 19th century.

What fucking hope is there in the notion that I should bow down to the will of a nation-state just because those at the summit of power speak the same language as I do.

If nationalism was at least about reestablishing direct community control like municipalism I'd have a lot more sympathy, but it's all about taking even more control away from the people.

The pollyps should stick to reading their Ebola man, drinking the holy semen and calling Trump "daddy".

Now that's what I call theory

Also, the skull wasn't 700,000 years old. You think anyone who disagrees with you is just part of the conspiracy, the skull is at the least 150,000 years old and at the most 350,000. This doesn't disprove the OOA theory either, because no one denied that there were humans that existed in other parts of the Globe when the migration took place. And even then, the fact that we can breed with black people and Asian people etc, show that we are all closely related.

researchgate.net/publication/232800636_ESR-dating_of_the_fossil_hominid_cranium_of_Petralona_Cave_Greece

ESR dating found the skull to be between 160,000 and 240,000 years old, the former of which does not contradict the OOA. Extraordinary claims need extraordinary evidence and the Petralona team never presented that.


We accept that Marx is influent in academia.

Yes. But you hadn't mention ed it until your previous post so sorry for not reading your mind.


Greece, Korean war, Vietnam contras and Apocalypse Now. y?

If there's one thing Mao's China didn't fuck up, it's theory except for when he almost made Chinese tigers go extinct because he said they were reactionary. Also Maoist military action was pretty solid,

Slowly. These things take time.

If something happens suddenly, it means its haphazard in the 20th century and ready for funded coups and CIA nonsense, backing violent nationalist dictators like Saddam or Pinochet


Reality tends to have a Marxist bias unfortunately. But no it isn't at all. You have o be more fucking specific. There's plenty of criticism and critique in discourse.


What kind of socialist are we even talking? Is socialist just interchangeable with leftist and liberal? What is interchangeable with?

You keep bitching about how academia should cover all borders and yet you're first to say that some of it should be gone just because some of your theory doesn't hold up to scrutiny.

Like now. You aren't being specific at all about your problems besides "THE SOCIALISTS HAVE INFILTRATED OUR SCHOOLS ;_;", and I'd prefer it if you were.


What? Of course it's not, what are you even implying?

If only they were philosophers and not tools of the system.

You see? That why I tell you you get triggered and so on.
You have a preset of "if person says X person is Y".

The US academic model is about "produce more papers, get more money". Thus people produce BS to get more money.

Am not saying "they are evil and they destroy tradition". Am saying, corporatocracy is creating an academic model that is not about improving conditions or undestranding the world. It's creating one that EXACTLY like the Soviet Nomenklature.
Doing everything possible to keep the status quo going. If that means "make it all about women in vidya and so on" they'll do that.


The stereotype is strong with this one.

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That does put all of it into a better perspective for me, thank you.

And I suppose the issue of the skull is off topic as it relates to actions taken by the Greek government.


I'll just just appreciate you may have had a laugh, which has its own worth.


Thank you, I'll take this into consideration.

Listen, do you honestly think Holla Forums isn't being manipulated in everything they do.

Be honest here. Do you think you're less manipulated by people who want to eradicate radical leftists than the radical leftists, apparently manipulated by the same party?

The rest of your post is tripe, I'm not reading it.

Y's a question dummy. You saying this wasn't the cold war?

I'm implying the fact, inarguable fact actually, the cold war wasn't won with a couple of wars and socialism malevolently infiltrating academia perverting it for ever…somhow.

It was won by geopolitical engineering and funding people who promised the west they could be bastards. Political assassination, contras, and CIA blood money.

Vietnam hardly meant shit and hurt them, as did the Korean war.

Not that guy. But Holla Forumss real agenda is primarily preserving something of the west. Cause while many aspects of the west are fucked, it is still a lot better than most of teh rest of the world. And no, this is not me endorsing the rape of ass-backwards countries. Leftists only attract Holla Forumss attention when they advocate for things that will only damage the west.

Yeah. The OOA was even revised when it was revealed we had Neanderthal DNA. It's not to much "this one thing disproves it", it's this one thing put this potentially into question, and since the OOA satisfies more questions than the Multi-regional theory this remains the dominant in Academia.


We arn't advocating for "bring in all duh brown ppl". When we say we dream of a world without borders, we mean we dream of a world where nations are so prosperous we don't need borders and we don't see that being compatible with capitalism. The entire crux of your ideology and why ours is incorrect relies on brown people being subhumans incapable of civilization.

Preserving a culture is inherently impossible as it violates what culture is. Culture didn't get to the Western culture you pride yourself over first before radically changing from people questioning Feudalism. Feudalism came from fallen Rome. Rome came from more fallen culture adapted into their own. Greece used bronze for their statues, Rome copied it into marble. And the Greeks borrowed their unique style of artistic idealism at an origin point in their orientalizing period.

Things are always in flux, and now more than ever, nobody should worry about culture "going away" because the internet exists to preserve information as never before.

To say you want to preserve your culture is to say you have hate for its ideals and want to see it stagnate instead of change.

Also

Speak for yourself. Using nations for liberal "prosperity"at this point is impossible.

The cold war was won/lost in Afghan. But let's not be compeltly biased in our recolectgion. The missiles were already in Cuba. Shit like this demands a response. The US was stronger cause they reneged on promises to Russia after ww2 (specifically monies for rebuilding). But Russia knew they were in a weaker position.

this is your brain on leftism

Oh boy do I have news for you

I mean to say we don't want to have to take in a bunch of refugees because they're country is shit. I am a Marxist though so.

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You haven't proven me wrong. Tell me how archaeological academic consensus is "whiggism"

Or is it the evil jew witches corrupting academia with their educated lies


Has hardly anything to do with what I said aside from Afghanistan.

That's because you don't make yourself clear. You ask about the cold war. What the fuck about it?

Stop with the "not making myself clear" bullshit. I specifically laid out,


If you know anything of history it should be clear.

It depends on whose academia it is and where. There are plenty of academics that don't teach or completely dismiss Marx.

This is one of the most retarded arguments I've heard since the teleological aspect of intelligent design, or even the cultural Marxist literal-Nazi-propaganda may may. Postmodernism is critical theory (there's a truism that postmodernism is indefinable, but it is often described as a rhetorical mode) applied to art and architecture (aesthetics and space respectively), not to economic factors. A postmodernist would probably laugh at you for ascribing them a dialectical ideology because postmodernism denies the existence of any ultimate principles, and it lacks the optimism of there being a scientific, philosophical, or religious truth which will explain everything for everybody.

missed this post before.

I accept that culture in the west is 'hot' and that this is what separates us from some other cultures. What I don't want is these other (backwards) cultures breeding here. Because while you say conservatism is contrary to our evolving culture in the west, there are much worse threats. Threats given shelter in the ranks of the feel-good liberals. These same feel-good liberals who join you in march at anti-fa events.

Are you trying to tell us western civilization has stayed the same since 480 bc when Greeks were buttfucking little boys?

Also, Socialism and Marxism cannot be opposed to Western Civilization, or disregarding them. Because both of these movements saw themselves as the completion or penultimate expression of aforementioned Western civ.

If you made the effort to read Marx, he always stresses that Europe's philosophical and material achievements are what make communism possible, and not any other place.

It is cancerous post-colonial and liberal idpol theory that has breed all of this anti-westernism and white guilt. Not Marxism.

I see I see. You hate backwaqrds cultures. Mind asking me where they're supposed to go after the consequences of the neoliberal military industrial complex? Suffer as ISIS sex slaves screaming and mothers being torn apart from daughters to exist only to be beaten horrifically and be objects of pleasure?

Where were you protesting or rioting your governments to prevent this? To prevent this forever war we have going?

You're certainly rioting now to prevent it when it means consequence to your liberalism.

How about Holla Forums stops breeding since it has the collective IQ of the Congo it mocks the Congo for having.


There is no worse threat to a culture than those who want to control it.


Like fascists and nationalists.


Please don't pretend to be a vague "Marxist" again.

I've mentioned contras and Afghan. What the hell more do you want and what was the point you were making in the first place here


I know the US fucked the USSR. I've never contended otherwise. What's your point? That authoritarianism was a response to this? Stalin was already way down the path towards totalitarianism before the Truman doctrine. This takes us back nicely to the point you jumped in at


Fuck this wasn't even a criticism. Gaddafi was authoritarian but still built by far the best nation in africa. You people who won't hear a word against socialism piss me off far more than those who embrace the Stalinist model and tell people 'cry more faggot'.

I was tempted to just all it all cultural marxism tbh

Ok then. Take a deep breath and a step back. Are the humanities and sociological studies derivative of Marx thinking or some aspect of the new-left?

The point I was making, you forgot about.

Go be a good boy for me and try to find it. Retrace your steps.


I wasn't referring to just the USSR. I was referring to the entire globe. Especially South and Central America, Africa, and The Middle East.


You implied that Communism, as you understand it as some vague totalitarian state, disappeared because of itself.

I said that was wrong on multiple fronts. I made a joke you didn't understand. I also said that, if communism is an authoritarian state basically 24/7 (note that is not communism), then why is the alternative better if it offers the human race no alternative that can't exist without existing perpetually paranoid of its own downfall by violent coup which itself, originated much of the problems of authoritarianism these first states had? This has evolved into you consistently having fits of forgetfulness while calling me incoherent.


I would debate you proper if you actually read anything and stopped saying ridiculous nonsense.

Other ass-backwards cultures that tar and feather you for showing a bit of ankle would seem the obvious answer. But come on. You people would be open border fanatics even if there were no refugees.


I did back in 2003. If you're suggesting I terrorism or something, lead the way.


One step ahead of you there love.


pic fucking related


you're trolling now right?


I haven't once tried to give that impression ITT. If it seems like I'm using some of (((your))) words, it is because I know how autistic you can get over certain words and phrases and cba with that today.

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You think they just suddenly were reduced to this state out of consent of a majority of its citizenship?


Everyone's a radical until it steps on their liberalism. It's hip to be square.


Whatever paranoia you have about muslims, they're never going to "control your culture". Bougie liberals like yourself screaming your eyes out about whatever conventional Other is available threatening your precious bougie nation, than fighting against your precious bougie nation for allowing this.


Not at all.


Could have sworn you said "Hey I'm a marxist". It's good you're not that stupid. You're just stupid in every other conceivable way.

There's a reason people with Holla Forums's political persuasion used to be invited on Jerry Springer and Geraldo Rivearia.

Pol isn't manipulated. Pol is manipulatING.

The rest of your post is preoccupied, so am not answering it.


Define "the west".
Is South Europa "teh West"?
Slavs?
Japan? It has been westernized.

Aus?

The "West" is a spook that has been created in order for imperialism to be justified.

well no I didn't. But I can see how it may have read that way. let me rephrase.

I said

Socialism only works and sustains under authoritarian systems

I should have said

So far socialim has only worked when enforced by an authoritarian regime.

That work better for you? And now the point I was highlighting with that remark, no new socialist theory has improved on the same old theory that was the foundation of the USSR. Has it? If not then it is fair to say spending too much time on this theory is redundant. Cause I can already tell you how it will end.

How about you come up with a strain of theory that can survive US meddling?

Most people in the humanities today are there precisely because they're not interested in politics or industry and would rather spend their time translating old Latin manuscripts For sociology, yeah, sure there are people like Žižek and Badiou who are Marxists, but even Žižek likes to say he's a communist who's anti-communist among other seemingly contradictory phrases. Anycase, I would call enyone on the left today "new-left" or post-left since they weren't even born in 18th century. Though trying to track trends as vague as left v. right proves to be a fruitless task whenever looking at specific policy measures because there are types like socially liberal and economically conservative or vice versa and so on, or even looking at it historically there are people who tend to vote one thing on this and another thing for that; it's only really convenient to think about when someone tells you what their bona fide political leaning is because you're forced to believe them anyway.

How come an-fem hasn't been banned yet, then?

Everyone on leftypol to everyone else. EVEN YOU!

Something involving financial crime, the internet, and a stateless system of people across a large span of space; while putting into practice praxis.

Pooling finances together to have a commune that won't have to exist in physical space but informational, making critique inside of it even more efficient, negating need for a state.

These things will exist in the future.

So… It has worked?
Then how come it "fails" all the time and doesn't work and so on?
And how come Socialism has never existed, except in minor instances before it got rekt by fascists or the CIA …. or Soviet Union?


How about the world is not US?

They were ass-backwards before during and after our meddling.


Again, fucking speak clearly. I'm just going to answer what I assume the question to be from now on.


The only thing I fear 'stepping on muh liberalism' is third world immigration. And the liberties they intend to trample affect you much more than me. I can only assume you're suggesting I join the islamists in their heroic struggle against liberalism? No thanks.


Neat so now I'm a property owner? Or member of the middle class? Either way, sounds like a step up.


lefty in-fighting cracks me up.

So Yapan has been westernised and you want me to define west for you? I'm not playing your wordgames today left/pol/.


I'm much more of the don't interfere type. I didn't support action in Afghan and have directly opposed similar action in Iraq, Libya and Syria.

They were as ass backwards as most parts of rural America and Europe.


I'm calling you a spineless bitch with no sense of shame or honor or dignity to yourself. Every time a war happens you never protest you'll sure protest the results. Because, let's look into the next quote


Thanks. That's what I just told you, I'm glad you agree. Liberalism needs an Other to fear.


Ok. Does ignorant easily manipulated poor liberal sound better.


Not in fighting. I'm pointing out that if you used that excuse to disguise your intentions to say stupid shit I'd laugh.

I dunno mate.

Oh ok.
I get it.

Sure. The USSR and China it worked wonders in terms of development. There were costs but if you overlook the suffering and loss of life, much progress was made.


Partially US fuckery. Partially the weight of it's own authoritarianism.

I've been banned several times.

Well, my definition of Western is not nesseserily yours.

IMO West is the faggotry that was created during the cold war and is all about "liberty" AKA capitalism and "democracy" AKA vote what you want but not commies or we invade.

If this is the "West" then this is … US. And as we were saying back when US was bombing Serbia, "everybody say, fuck the USA!".


I DEMAND FOR BANS FOR TOO MUCH SHITPOSTING LIKE THE GOOD OLD DAYS! .. oh wait.. what if a mod thinks I am shiposting…

Shit.. Having no control over the Vanguard sucks…

GOOD JOB MODS!

That's not the anfem poster you hate I am. And I am on extraordinary terms with prickly and have corrupted all the mods through succubal prowess.

You have control over no one else but yourself mate.

The problem is, I don't hate anyone… .. Except for the Nazis…

I just want to live in a rational world were I can joke about everything .. and be free…

It's not hate. It.. depression.


KEK!

There was perhaps a parity 200 years ago. Remember the US warred them twice back in the day to stop slave taking in the med.


ehhh. ok then.


Do you honestly not see the threat Islam poses to your liberty as well as mine? This really takes some effort. What do you even think liberalism is?


Six and half a dozen tbph. Either way I'll live.

I've given you ungrudgingly that the USSR did drive on development. But please don't downplay the authoritarian nature that sustained the society. This is why the US was allowed to, accurately, call itself liberal by comparison. To call the US a liberal (in both senses of the word) democracy in contrast to the USSR was simple fact.

I think you are mod tbh

In the bigger picture I guess you are correct mate.

Yes!
US!
YOU ARE FREE WORLD!
Just don't vote commies or the CIA will take over.

Also, the USSR stoped being "Authoritarian" after Stalin. I could even say that it was far more "Democratic" when allowing third world countries to decide for themselves. … Unless it was Czechoslovakia and they had to send the tanks… You know… Like … Chile!

Saying "US is a "Democracy" when it's the worst kind of Roman Republic/Empire is a joke.


Will we ever be absurd heros?

I dream of Destroying the State.
Burning all flags.
Tearing down all the Borders.

sends me to:
>>>/gulag/

I'm not US lad. And I suspected salt when I hit reply. I've not defended US action ITT or anywhere else.


You may not like the word but it fits.


The US was sure better at presenting this facade. Not gulaging and purging your own people helps here.

There weren't "Gulags" as much after Stalin.
Also, tell me about Japs…
Or tell me about the Red Scare..

Holla Forums aren't civic nationalists (which is still stupid, btw ).

yup, they were 'interned'. As apparently I have to keep clarifying, I have no love for the US.

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when will rightism get its head out of its ass again?


jej

Now come on lad. The 'right' has two presidential candidates and is rising all through Europe. Meanwhile the left. Well the left has lost its identity.

Chump and what other faggot? Shitlery?
What a nice concrete term with lots of facts to back it up.
Another term that is concrete and in no way spoopy.

Wew lad.

Yup. Now I suspect many of you here don't ever bother to look up and see things as they happen IRL, but Trump is already positioned left of Hillary on all but migration.


As I said, I understand you don't look at the real world too often so shouldn't have expected you to know this. But yes. The right is rising in Europe.


bbc.co.uk/news/world-europe-36150807


The left up to the 60s was the party of the working class. Now it is some vague shit about gender and muslims.

>bbc.co.uk/news/world-europe-36150807
Your smugness makes up for your one cherrypicked, unarchived puff piece being from the Ministry of Truth, and having a headline that's a leading question rather than a statement.


Sounds more like the right to me. Or like you're projecting your own idpol cancer onto everything and everyone you dislike. Again.

Sometimes a cigar is a big brown dick.

What do you have to say about id politics taking over your ideology because it has been without a cause eversince the wall fell and the proletariat disappeared ?

go to /pol
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The means justify the ends

We all know that building a classless stateless society where everyone lives well is boring as fuck, but the violence and brutality make it worth it.

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