For a long time, the NRA has been the premier gun rights advocate organization...

For a long time, the NRA has been the premier gun rights advocate organization. Any American can instantly recognize that name, although depending on who you ask the reaction might be wildly different person to person. However, what I can safely say is that however good the NRA might have been when it was created it no longer serves its purpose. In fact, the recent shooting of Philando Castile shows that if you don't meet certain color requirements the NRA won't come out and support your innocence and right to carry a firearm. The NRA is for all intents and purposes the organization for armed citizens if you are of the right class and color.

Now, lets look a bit farther back than modern times. The Black Panthers, a thoroughly socialist organization despite its idpol stood up for the working class. Whenever someone was being pulled over by police somewhere, the BP were called and were instantly on the scene with weapons and papers with legal rights on how to deal with policeman and what rights you have when dealing with them. In addition, they were a strong show that the working class must be armed in order to protect themselves from tyranny. When they told people they would have their backs, they meant it. This got them support from the people, and until its sad collapse the BP were a symbol that working class people could defend themselves if they so chose.

We can see how much this alarmed the establishment. All of CA's bunk ass gun laws started to come into effect once the BP marched in Sacramento to go protest for Huey Newton, and its this type of reaction that really shows how the establishment views armed working class people (and socialists to boot). There's a lot to learn from the BP, but the backlash from the bourgeoisie establishment shows that a working class organization for defense of our communities, brothers and sisters is gravely needed. Especially in today's world, if you're a communist and stand for worker's self defense then you can definitely see a need for an organization to rise up and start representing the people's rights to be armed.

This is why I'm calling on some of you to join me in at least brainstorming and conjuring up a mental image of an organization that could provide a counterweight to the NRA's bourgeois grandstanding about "muh 2nd amendment but only for the right colored people". Its clear what the NRA is today. Its clear what type of people actually drive vehicles with NRA stickers on it. Its clear what type of organization they are. I think 2016 is a perfect time, especially in the midst of a stretch of years in which working class people being killed by police unjustly has blown up (Eric Garner, Philando Castile, Alton Sterling) to build the foundations for an organization representing the rights of working class people to arm themselves.

What would this organization do? First of all, this organization would advocate. Philando Castile is a prime example of why this is needed. In addition, we can trace gun control back to bourgeois fear of revolutionary organizations. Advocating against gun control, and for the people's lawful rights would be the first mission of the organization. The second would be teaching. Going into the inner city and any place that needs it to teach people about gun safety, organize shooting classes (range trips, marksmanship courses) and basically how to handle and respect guns. Basically de-spook any liberals and what have you who are still on the fence about guns and their "danger".

So folks, what do you say? Anfem user (I told you I'd come together and work with you despite differences), you said before we have other veterans in our midst. Would any of you want to at least join me in dialogue about the prospects of starting such an organization? I know /k/ continuously has liberal gun owners threads about softies who support everything under the sun however are alienated by the Democratic Party's stance on guns. I think this is a big chance to fill a niche that has been left wide open, as well as possibly spread class consciousness in the meantime.


Atlantic Article: Secret History of Guns theatlantic.com/magazine/archive/2011/09/the-secret-history-of-guns/308608/

Wiki on the Mulford Act: en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Mulford_Act (Law that came into effect as a response to the BP. Peek the blurb on Republicans supporting gun control after the BP incident, Reagan as well.)

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The Panthers quickly dropped black nationalism in favor of non-race-based socialism.

Oh, I'm quite aware. I have a good book on the BP on the shelf, and it really opened my eyes as to just how communist Huey and the organisation really was. Unfortunately, just like MLK and Malcolm X people point to the BP and see race politics as their legacy. So, I apologize if it seemed like I meant they were complete idpol'ers.

The NRA was pro-gun control half a century ago because most of the members didn't want blacks to own guns. It's been a joke ever since, it's never cared about civil rights, it cares about sales.

wat book comrade

"The Black Panthers Speak"

This is why the time is ripe for a working class organization to take over.

Well there are leftist gun clubs out there, which from my experience are mostly just people worried shit is about to go down and want to have connections to other anarchists who have nuggets and ARs.

An actual leftist orginization dedicated to gun ownership though (don't think I'm just dismissing because I'd love to belong to one) seems way out of our scope. Not only do we have absolutely no influence on anyone who isn't already on Holla Forums, but I imagine a group that calls itself communist and is for violent revolution stockpiling weapons would be dealt with pretty quietly and quickly.

Maybe I'm just paranoid, I honestly suspect I might be monitored but that's probably just my PPD.

If a leftist gun orginization were to spring up it would definitely have to invoke the spirit of the black panthers of the past and focus on recruiting non-white leftists, because let's be honest here, most white leftists don't have guns in this day and age.

What would such an orginization actually try to accomplish besides providing a chat room for leftists with guns, also? Encouraging training? I'm not sure about it at all tbh.

Also I desperately want to buy an SKS, what's the cheapest you've seen them for in good condition? Seems like the Chinese ones are pretty cheap, how are they?

LMOA

No, don't think I'm advocating an organization with a red flag talking Marx. Really reel back the scope here. While personally I am a Marxist, the organization itself would just be a general gun owner's organization that would include anyone, not just whites, rich people and country fudds. Class consciousness could spread, but that isn't at all the goal with what I'm talking about.


Well, I'm just calling for people to brainstorm from here. I'm not at all thinking Holla Forums or Holla Forums in the broad sense has any real influence. But if some good minds (non-autists) who have some social skills and want to do something real can come together, I think it could be a launch point. I'm thinking of asking /k/ as well, I'm lurking on there since eternity anyway.

I'm also not calling for a violent revolutionary group, just a gun advocates group in the same vein as the NRA except we would represent workers. All your other concerns with leftists organizations wouldn't really stick here, because I'm not at all advocating for that. The Black Panthers legacy wouldn't be for its socialist mantra, but for its image of standing up and willing to fight for workers who need it.

1. Advocate for gun owner's rights.
2. Teach responsible gun use and get people acclimated with guns.
3. Spread awareness, and counter those ridiculous ideas people have about guns (semi-automatic machine guns!, black scary guns!).

It wouldn't just be an online venture. Think a bit bigger than that. Think an NRA, except 1) Again, not just for white folks 2) Led by competent, younger people who can speak in #hashtags, competently use social media, as well as debate with the best of them 3) Operating in urban areas, organizing shooting outings, range trips, spreading responsible awareness.

Just once more, don't get me wrong. In my wet dreams a leftist organization for gun ownership would be great. But it just won't work, the time isn't right and I don't think that would ever succeed in the United States. But a gun organization not represented by stale, crusty ass white dudes who couldn't give a shit about poor people needs to be replaced. I asked Holla Forums first because I'm sure among us there are some folks who know guns, have social capital (not wearing a trenchcoat and a fedora outdoors) and want to really do something worthwhile.

By the way, don't be mistaken. Its 2016, there are plenty of folks out there in the Democratic camp who care about guns. /r/guns is packed with people like that, and /k/ is too.

No idea honestly, I can't stand SKS's personally.

What the fuck are you talking about? Did you read anything on this thread?

Bump.

Since Holla Forums is too autistic to do anything that includes the brain, let us start off with something simple for fellow comrades can handle.

What name will our group be called?

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I honestly wouldn't call military training with a rifle 'expert training' all we really learn is how to shoot and move.

I know. It just makes it easier to quantify who's good at what.

my comrade.

Get an AR. They're so cheap and good now that you're wasting your money with an SKS. You can get a combat-ready rifle for a bit more money.

I mean, does small unit tactics count as expert training? I sure as hell learned more than just shooting and moving in a scout platoon.

I'm sorry friends, but I don't think anything remotely socialist in naming will work here. Remember, this isn't a specifically socialist organization. Its an organization that would step in and advocate for everyday people, as well as outreach work in educating people on guns and their responsible use.

National Rifle Association →

Very standardized, widely applying name. I'm not saying get our name from their's, but think about what we're trying to do. Same thing the NRA does, except represent working class people.

Actually, disregard that. Small unit tactics and all that shit have no place with what I'm proposing here.

The categories should be:

1. Totally unfamiliar with guns, very limited experience with firearms.

2. Not totally unfaimiliar with guns, some experience.

3. Familiar with guns. Might own one, take shooting trips every so often.

4. Very familiar with guns. Own one or more, regular shooting experience.

I bet you learned to suck a mean dick too. :^)

No, bro, small unit tactics are something everyone knows (or should know, but is often neglected). Did you go to RSLC? That would come in handy. Anything extra you learned, and if you made it as an NCO is what matters. Leadership, organization, and control of your guys is what makes a unit. Your ability to pass on this information is what makes it last beyond you.

Small unit tactics are just the building blocks. It's everything on top of that that makes a well-working unit. How long were you in?

I was blessed to have the most badass platoon daddy ever, who also went to Pathfinder and all that good shit. He really ran us through the ringer on the run up to going downrange and on deployment too.

Never went to the board, but was a squad leader for a long time. Was in for three years. You? If there are other people on here who went through combat arms I'd be elated, with a deployment even better.

Anyway, as far as my OP none of this is really important besides people who served in NCO positions. Organization and leadership are what might make something like the org I'm proposing sink of float.

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Thanks user.

This is good. A lot of guys don't want to get taught properly because they think it's just hazing or busy work, but it's a good thing. Glad you appreciate a good leader. The best way to thank a mentor is to learn and be better than him someday.


Eight, part spent in the Marines. My last years were spent in an NG cav unit, DRT. Never deployed with NG, but I think that the DRT unit was pretty high-speed. Not a lot of stupid going on. It was all 11B and 11Cs, though.

Honestly, keep studying whatever you learned and look to pass it on. If you know a group of like-minded people, get together and just start training them. This is how you make a group. At the end of the day, you have experience leading, so do it even if you don't wear a uniform.

Lol prepare to be called a cuck and told to suck nigger dick. That board is basically Holla Forums.

Armed Workers of America

There is at least one /k/omrade lurking around.

Group can be called the Kool Komrades Klub, KKK for short.

*Komrade Kalashnikov Klub

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Once Shillary KKKlinton gets into power us leftists might face a new wave of gun control laws. We need to stock up NOW, not later.

Best Name: Union of Egoists :DDDDDDD

I really like this user. Anyone else?

Good stuff, but not nearly in the area we want to take part in. Besides, if you don't have foundation in this stuff these types of posts are useless. What is a game playing NEET gonna do with these?

I like Armed Workers of America though.