Worried about the de-class cucking of society. How the fuck can we make people Socialist/Communist without their material conditions being absolute shit? I understand that Social Democracy and the likes won't bring us any closer to Socialism an will only make Capitalism look a bit appealing to the public but ever since Corbyn became a thing here in Britain the Communist activity has taken a rise.
However, as Corbyn is a Social Democratic and Communist activity is only small (we only have 800 members nation wide fml) there still isn't much hope for people understand how Capitalism has fucked them anally. Many family members and friends have became triggered when I bring up anything Marxist or they ask what my politics are, there's still a huge stigma around Communism and Socialism and we can't even have a reasonable discussion.
Although equally, I've seen the rise of the Right when society shifts further in favour of Right-Winged candidates such as Nigel Farage and obviously Donald Trump over in America. So, either way, people are reluctant to join any Marxist groups and still consider Socialism and Communist a dirty word and ideology.
So, the question being, what's the best path to revolution? Making society as shit as possible and ensuring that people will understand their material conditions and how society is fucking them or moving society more to the left through Social Democracy and hoping people will learn more about their current situation under Capitalism that way. Personally, I don't think either way is going to create a Marxist revolution, I'm just not sure anymore.
Seeing as you'd want to establish a commune or co-op to own your means of production, farm, etc- you should rebrand it as a self-sufficiency lifestyle of economic stability where you're able to weather economic adversity.
Stress the nature of manipulated markets being nothing more than extreme gambling; make a point that you won't fall victim to it like the United States Citizens did in 1929's Great Depression.
Lastly, pull at the heart strings- when confronted by the simple minded make the people of the Great Depression era sound like Auschwitz victims, and stress how much harm it did to women and children.
Lucas Roberts
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Wyatt Foster
What the whole accelerationist angle you're proposing refuses to take into account is that our current situation is already some past generation's idea of things being "so bad that people will HAVE to wake up, right?" – and what do you see? Some left-wing agitation here and there, yes, but for the most part people continue to miss the point and blame all the wrong things (muh immigration, muh taxes) for their problems.
Because the thing is, the average person can realise that things are bad, but the information that leads to a proper analysis of why things are bad are not immediately there. What they have, instead, is information coming from their formal education and the media, both which are carefully constructed in favor of the status quo.
So for example, we live in an age where globalization, capital flight, austerity, neoliberalism and the inability of labour unions and the state to intervene in the economy are virtually dragging us all in a race towards the bottom. In this context, Libertarians should simply not exist, at least not within the working classes. But there are wage-earning, 9-to-5 people who think Ron Paul is great because they were persuaded to believe that the cause of their struggle is too much intervention of the state or the unions in the economic affairs. And this is because literally dozens of millions of dollars are pumped into libertarian websites and think-thanks every year.
So for accelerationism to work, we must start with the wrong assumption that Socialism is already in embryo form somewhere within everybody, and it just needs the proper circumstances before it develops. But this isn't the case. Information is largely controlled. We can completely lose every comfort and luxury we have, face a new economic meltdown, collapse into riots, crime and mass poverty before the average person even hears the arguments that the Left makes. There is no natural flow of information from us to the masses that will result in some speech or article finally resonating with them once shit hits the fan. If things get bad enough then those who control the means of public opinion will, once fucking again, invest in imposing order by force while protecting private property, i.e. Fascism. And they will probably blame us for fucking things up too.
So don't wait for the right circumstances, the right circumstances are here.
Easton Brown
.>>805688 Promote reading some super basic Marxist texts like the communist manifesto or promoting it through memes/videos/songs. The propaganda machine against Marxism is pretty insane, I had a college political philosophy class and the teacher literally shilled Marx as a social democrat who wanted welfare. That bullshit that Lenin said about sanitizing revolutionaries was completely right, it was absolute revisionism.
William Powell
To be fair, it's the same shit with Not Socialism & Hitler. Only that NAZIs were constantly made to look bad by jewish media while Communism & Marx can't simply be understood without reading 10000 books.
Luis Carter
Legend of galactic Heroes says it best at the end, where one faction wanted to rename their fortress as a commune but then recalled that no nation with the name commune ever succeeded, so they scarped that idea.
Sometimes a word is tainted and you need a new way to describe it.
Eli Thomas
Fuck that shit. Communism is a word too valuable to relinquish to the aftermath of the Cold War.
Cooper Thompson
What about crypto-leftism? Or reverse fascism. Where fascism was right wing ideas dressed in left wing rhetoric, we should have left wing ideas dressed in right wing rhetoric.
Lucas Diaz
You're this stuck on a word? Keep it, but realize many are too reactionary to appreciate it, so it's more like a term to screen indoctrination- you can't form a real movement on it.
It's also not just that, I've heard from union workers that they think the communist factions are all "too strange." It's just not friendly to the normies that will make up your human-walls and front-line infantry.
I've been meaning to do this since the last thread regarding it had a shit opening post and focused too much on "lies" as opposed to what actually works.
Jeremiah Brown
Well then let's discuss it. We have to accept that most working class people in the US, for example, are very socially right wing and the whole society is thoroughly inundated by economic right wing propaganda. How do we challenge this?
John James
what would that look like?
Somehow seize power without a mass movement.
Jose Sanders
Well first off though the tactics are uniform, the application is not- no matter the intention you try to appease certain groups differently- Hitler disliked Christianity, but made it acceptable for convenience.
Important qualities however are dancing, you need to have people moving in unison to build a sense of cooperation.
You can use whatever rhetoric is convenient or politically expedient, but can't allow your previous statements to be used against you to show lies or contradiction until such a point where a rhetorical device is obsolete.
Your driving fear could be nearly anything; it's an omnipresent flaw that's halting development. You can also put a lot of focus on Arabian aristocracy as it has sufficient overlap with world dissatisfaction.
You need to prop up some vague notion of "culture & tradition" that, again, is arbitrary, but I favor glorifying Hellenization.
I've also mentioned before the importance of using symbols and insignias to imprint on the minds of people an idea with either a new logo, or a continuation of a previous era's iconography.
By attacking the structure. You can't ideologically convince people who are already ideologically invested in the capitalistic system, that's quite frankly like pissing in an ocean of piss. You have to explain to people why is it that the current arrangement of society needs to change and why is that nearly al crises can be pointed out by the Capitalistic mode of production and its regulations of class relations.
Even then, howeverr you need to go deeper, as you can't simply appeal to people's better nature by making moralist arguments (pig disgusting, I denounce that in every other post I make) or expecting them to simply accept your asertions as anything else than a "valid POV". You want them to internalize the capability for conceiving and supporting an entire new system, you have to dismantle the invisible mechanisms of ideology that they already use for legitimizing Capitalism; and this is also why I fear that you can't allow SocDem-like consessions, because there needs to be a clear understanding that following a model of progressive and moderate reforms does nothing to further the cause of changing the body of the system, but rather it enables it to grip everyone tighter by becoming a more benevolent master, one that's harder to shake off.
Austin Cox
how do you do this? Blind class hatred?
Michael Flores
You would have to seize the means of education.
Noah Jones
cultural marxism in real life
Kevin Johnson
Only worked so far at the college level, but on average not everyone even graduates high-school in the U.S..
Kevin Myers
found the polack
Colleges are liberal, not socialist
Isaiah Rodriguez
we need to get Zizek a job as a Fox News correspondent
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Charles Powell
God no.
Ah but this is the goal, no the prequisite for the goal, let's not get caught in circular logic.
We're talking here is about dissasembling the ideological mechanism which uphold the Legitimacy of Capitalism. How? by attacking first and foremost the falacies that spring whenever a pure critique of Capitalism is brought up.
You have to make people truly aware about the structure of global capital as a whole. People aren't all that dumb, they *do* suspect that the whole system is entirely corrupted and that too many people are getting shafted; but the general misconception is that it's not a systemic problem, but a localized problem that can be solved with the right people, the right laws and the right ideas… But as you and I know, It's not "parts" of capitalism which they really reject, it's capitalism in its entirety, as there cannot be capitalism without extreme poverty, without exploitation, without warfare-fueled economy and so on.
This I think is the true key ideological component that's lacking consciousness so that we can truly strive towards a post-capitalist civilization.
William Torres
Lacking within collective consciousness*
Though I don't mean this in the metaphysical way, of course.
Ethan Powell
When it becomes obvious that social democracy wont work because they will sell out to the bourgeois and will only change the distribution of wealth when it is in their interests. Then it could cause people to turn more anti-capitalist and towards revolution because they can't get what they want through reform.
Also getting people to know that socialism isn't big gubbermend would help and letting people know forms of marxism/socialism that isn't heavily authoritarian.
Evan Cooper
I want desperately to see this.
Dylan Scott
Are you willing to bet that this is an actual thing that will inevitably happen comrade?
