When avatar the last airbender came out, I thought we'd see more cartoons with seasonal arcs and more plot focus...

I disagree.
The prime success of MLP is waifus and transferring aspects of moe from animes into ponies.
A series with an overarching story arc would've probably drew in more viewers.

Man that was long ago since that was discussed, and since MLP now apparently has an episode called Slice of Life it's even harder to find. But she did want a story arc and didn't get it. She probably tried very hard to convince the network to rethink their decision, because she did got the boot and replaced with yes men.

Now she is stuck with a toyline which has no hope of getting a serialisation at all.

citation fucking needed

Turns out it was a load of utter fucking Horseshit (Padumpish)

The earliest Neilsen ratings I can find puts the show at half a million (0.75 at best).

Well then faith in humanity slightly raised.

Most TV writers in general seem to be wired to write episodes in ways that might as well be cribbed from the Big Book of TV Clichés. Plus, there's syndication to think about.

Seriously though, actual stories aren't really the primary draw of most cartoons. That we got TLA at all is a fluke, and that succeeding shows haven't sought to imitate it is probably a good thing. We'd probably end up with more Korras.

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If you want something a little more recent:
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Sounds mostly like press release spin to me

…whatever. Either way, no one can deny that the show has had some effect on the way cartoons have been handled over the past several years.

Unless something can come along and break MLP's momentum (Which seems like what people are hoping Samurai Jack: S5 will do), don't expect cartoons to change much.

So its like a bad manga?

I honestly can't see the connection between things like MLP and the more modern crop of Gravity Falls or Steven Universe. They definitely took their cues more from the other multimedia sensation of the early 2010s: Adventure Time. (Legend of Korra just had not idea what it was doing at all.)
MLP channels a lot of moe anime but it still has clean episodic structure and an extent of Cartoon-Cartoon pedigree. More importantly, it's still written for actual 6-12 year old girls (who just coincidentally have the same tastes as 20-35 year old men if we judge by things like Friendship is Magic and Pretty Cure) rather than Calarts hipster manchildren the way Steven Universe and late Adventure Time are. This is why the MLP comics are usually so awful compared to the show.
Adventure Time just worked way too well for people who didn't actually know what they were doing and it unfortunately set the standard.

MLP has nothing to do with anime or moe or Pretty Cure.

Sounds like spin to me as the same website clearly lists the following:

thefutoncritic.com/ratings/2012/11/13/hub-tv-network-new-series-littlest-pet-shop-makes-best-ever-premiere-for-any-original-series-on-network-my-little-pony-friendship-is-magic-marks-its-best-ever-series-premiere-604310/20121113hub01/

With much more realistic ratings.

that first one has zero sources regarding those viewership numbers. And that second one is the viewers over a 2-day timespan aka anyone who tuned in over the course of two days was probably counted.

It's because all mainstream cartoons, as with all mainstream media, are made by and for the regressive/progressive left. They all should be shunned by anyone with an iota of intellectual honesty and self respect.

If you want a reason why western media is in the decline, this is it. The studios spent the last decade purging their offices of seasoned talent, leaving a huge experience vacuum filled with suck-ups.

It's because of liberals.

Isn't pretty cure the magical girl anime that has the girls literally beating the shit out of monsters instead of all their attacks being stock footage?

So basically the real anime equivalent to the Powerpuff Girls.

This is why the West is in decline.

Because it is actually drawing in the fanbase that should belong to comics? It IS slowly predating comics with only the movies being able to out-do the yellow menace.

If western cartoons were good I'd care about them but right now they're all shit.

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Except that it does not look like retarded ugly scribbles.

Yeah, because western producers half-assed the try at upping their game to compete and decided it was easier to shovel cheap garbage.

So now all we have is grinning potatoes.

Can we not be such blind patriots as to recognize that Japan is doing some good shit with animation and comics while media corporations here are overwhelmingly just making shit.

Oh, I agree, the mainstream Western media is shit. That's why you look elsewhere.

They have never been good, the all look like shit, even movie-budget stuff looks like shit compared to anime.

The only decade Cartoons had more quality than anime was in the late 50's and the first half of the 60's

When Korra was first announced, I was happy. Finally, a female protagonist done well and done right. And an athletic one, who actually looks like she can kick some ass.

…..atleast we got some good domination and rape porn out of it.

Yeah. Pretty Cure.

Why would you care about that?

To further enable the ridicule of tumblrettes

And I like sexy Athletics bunda

Just watch an actual anime if you want a female protag that isn't a cunt that never grows as a person.

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No

Youre an idiot.

A well done Korra vs Kamala Khunt.

Season 1 was okay. Couldn't bring myself to finish s3. Ditching an overarching plot for the villain of the season format killed whatever it had going for it.

Said the person who can't use apostrophes.

Cuck.

Can anyone here name a liberal who isn't a regressive cuck?

Bruce Timm?

Try again.

I think Michael Bay.

Wow, you shit's are really scraping the bottom of the barrel.

What's wrong with listing him? He appears to be very successful, he's made a number of good movies, Hollywood hates him, so where's the downside?

First, there's the question of whether he's liberal or not. Second,
Name three.

13 Hours, Armageddon, and the first Transformers.

not even the first Transformers was good tho

How about The Rock then?

Oh, X franchise is not as good as the most rabid part of its fanbase says? Do tell…
My experience with MLP is that the show is refreshing in it's rationality. Nobody had to suddenly act retarded to create conflict and drama where the was none. The inciting incident was usually low key, along with its solution. And plenty of the plots were about accomplishing something. I stopped watching mid season 3, though, so I don't know if that's changed.

Not that user, but I'd deem The Rock acceptable

The creator was a feminist. Try again.

Because they want to be subversive. Why do you think we have so much comedy shows touted as comedies but then later being more story driven or being darker? Because the writers and the audience they write to (pretentious college students and hipsters) think it's so new when a cartoon acts like a harmless comedy then when some lore and some more heavy stuff pops up. Then you see that obnoxious "THIS WAS SUPPOSED TO BE A KID SHOW" or "Here's season 1 now compare to the darker season 3". Worse is, I liked the transition from light to dark in tv shows. But really, I think what they're doing is so painfully formulaic now that you might as well advertise an action show. Even if it's comedy oriented, at least show off an arc plot in the beginning and if you're going to tease some lore, just do it for the sake of story and not because you want to be subversive to pat yourself on the back. You'd know we hit a line when fucking nuPPG is suggesting some lore.

I'm attempting to explain its success, not convince you to watch it, you moron. And your distaste for ideologies doesn't change the fact that every time I cringed internally as I waited for the stupid, tired, immersion shattering cliches to unfold I was pleasantly surprised. The show understands its viewers aren't mentally defective vegetables, and I appreciate that.

Ah, Slave Korra…

At least he said he was a moderate left before SJWs called him a Nazi for calling out their extremist bullshit.

I'd post an MP4 of a man laughing within a micrometer of his life, but I fucking despise memes.

-Barbie Games

-Food Games Part 2

At least he snapped out of it.

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No he did. Seriously he did. He got flack from his advertisers even. 5 Hours of a stream with Sargon of Akhad Shit talking SJWs and defending ZA WALL.

And reminder on his show he also had a guy say (In an of course ironic sense) how videogames were the cause of all the worlds ills.

Shit-talking SJWs doesn't mean you're not a cuck. You said it yourself, he was in a stream with Sargon.

He did it in an over the top manner. I mean this was after the "retard" incident on twitter.

I'm pretty sure if someone isn't spouting the whole God Emperor meme they would at least take the chance to make fun of a candidate that makes himself look antagonistic. And second, like I said he's leaning toward left.

God, this is almost as bad as Bernie's "You tried to divide us" spiel on Twitter.

They're still chanting even when the stream is dead.

Different thing. I'm talking about something that Bernie Sanders tweeted.

Still waiting.

I missed when she did full porn.

Slave korra is best korra, or at least close to it.

No no, you got it right. Korra is good for only one thing. Being a cumdump.

Getting cancelled.

Season 1

Try season zero, as in before it existed and opened the door for more progressive shit on television.

Slave Korra dump

I always wondered where that slave design came from?

I honestly don't know, but it's still sexy.

Still waiting.

dubs confirm, and capped

Tumblrinas say they want strong female characters, but what they actually want is validation for their horrible life choices, personalities and complete lack of ambition. A physically fit, competent and hardworking character is their anathema. Pity Korra only ended up one of those.

I think focusing on slice of life rather than ongoing adventure mighta helped MLP there; they have to show why these ponies are friends and hang out together without an external mission giving them a reason, and having them constantly doing stupid things for no good reason would undermine that. (Also means they have spectacular mental breakdowns to justify when they do stupid things)

But it will only justify them. They scream, "Strong female character!" and are given exactly that. You're caving in to the screaming child at the grocery store.

No, they want badly written mary sues. A decently written character will enrage them.

Your average Jane Doe will love it, but the femnazis will probably try to label it as "problematic." because a good series with a female protag will raise the bar and they can't get as much kikestarter money by shoveling shit to an arguably underserved market if the market has a taste of something better.

And we're back to Korra.

Is it so fucking hard to stay on topic

Well what do we even do?
After Toonami and the anime boom, we had some West-driven good shit, Like the first Teen titans, the first avatar, Jackie Chan Adventures.

And then everyone, and it does feel like everyone stopped trying to take steal Japan's homework answers and dumped a bunch of cheap garbage on us.

I guess we need to ditch the networks and fund talented indies until the big guys step up.

Why hasn't the internet done for other media what it's doing for videogames?

Good animation is ruinously expensive/time-consuming, good voice acting is harder than it looks, and acting in general is hard. You can throw together a video game on your own computer with random internet people contributing assets and working on proven engines and frames, but making your own cartoon from scratch is hard, and the rewards are pitiful; everyone watches once, maybe likes and subscribes, then forgets about it while they go pay rapturous attention to the latest drooling idiots putting out daily videos of them playing video games and chatting inanely.

Although serialisation being a hard sell for networks is hardly a new thing- if anything, it's a relative golden age of serialised media, since cheap DVDs and online streaming make it easier to watch a show at your own convenience rather than at the whims of networks run by moderately intelligent monkeys in suits. I've been reading about Star Trek, how the networks loved TNG and Voyager and hated DS9, despite DS9 probably being the only one that holds up really well on a marathon, because DS9 has too much ongoing continuity while TNG and Voyager love the status quo. Networks really hate the idea of having to pay attention to episode numbers.

Yes, Japan taught us how to be good little progressives.

You guess? Did you only come to this revelation after years of meditating in the Tibetan mountains, training only with the best masters to clear your thoughts and become one with the Universe? What's happening now has been happening since your so-called "golden age," and it was because of Eastern influence, not in spite of it.

ATLA was a unique set of circumstances that saw an atypical team of unique writers, consultants, and talents brought together. Bryan and Mike on their own were incapable of fully writing or realizing what ATLA would become, but it was all the other people who worked with them that refined the idea beyond "Guy with elemental powers" and fleshed out the rest of the details. There's even a good chance that the setting of Korra and some of the details that eventually surfaced were originally ideas that had come up in meetings with the writing team while working on ATLA.

Where I think things have changed is that the Avatar team had to bring together people who didn't already know each other. They weren't all friends before production began, though they may have been by the end of it all… Compare that to Adventure Time and all the other CalArts (but not actually CalArts) shit and you see a very distinct line of nepotism and favoritism. They weren't hiring based on talent or experience. They pulled together teams based on their friends and other pretentious hipster faggots who mirrored their mentality and ideology. They didn't work with each other, they fed off each other's autism and tumblr habits. Tumblr fed into their work in a pretty big way as well. They spent more time listening to social media than honing their craft, obviously.

tl;dr - Avatar hired talented people who refined their vision. Everyone else these days are hiring their tumblr faggot friends who only know how to write fanfics about their feelings, and because art schools no longer teach art, they think this is fine.

I'd also speculate some amount of executive meddling, but usually that just involved making things more toyetic and marketable.

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Sounds about right. I think the issue is these days either you have something made solely to please the executives, where you get cheap cliched shit like Johnny Test and Teen Titans Go they can rerun all day and night, and their idea of taking a risk is to hire some arts graduate and say 'Fuck it, do whatever' and then you end up with the abovementioned spiral of nepotism; instead of using their artistic freedom to hone their skills and make ambitious projects, they pander and indulge their clique. Which also makes it difficult when a member of the clique leaves to their own project, because the show is so built around personal investment they leave major elements dangling in the wind.

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You also ignore how liberalism has destroyed all genuine artistic expression.

Scheduled broadcast is bad for serialization and serialization is bad for networks.

With streaming becoming more of a thing I think it's inevitable that sequential story stops getting the shaft so badly. No more not being able to get into a series because you weren't around for the first season or a round of reruns.

Can't wait for broadcast television to fully become a living fossil. Pet shows will at worst be over-suggested. Crap like Zombie Simpsons and TTG won't be able to game ratings by being played all the fucking time, good shows won't be assassinated with bad time slots.

But the executives will try to keep everything TV exclusive as long as they can.

Still waiting.

Manpuku Jinja's Touhou anime series Memories of Phantasm is on par with professional productions and is independently produced and published. The episodes (8 since 2011) are about 16 minutes long on average. They sell DVDs/BDs and have low quality YouTube streams (and Niconico ones I'm guessing).

American indie animators have much, much lower production standards to meet (if current TV animation is considered the standard), so things should be easier for them, not harder. But when the topic comes up I just keep seeing complaints about how excessively expensive and hard it is to make animation, and how 5 minute YouTube flash animations don't pay enough. Maybe people need to level up their skills and stop relying on googlebux.

Bee and Puppycat. They got 800k to make a few 5 minute episodes and couldn't deliver shit for years, and when they finally did, it wasn't worth the wait. Even with the freedom of being "indie" they failed to produce something remotely interesting..

Conversely, Tales of Alethrion got 160k and started producing episodes right away, along with animatics, original music, and their own tabletop roleplaying game.

At a certain point, it needs to be acknowledged that some people are just worthless faggots who want to be famous, and some people are truly talented, passionate, hardworking, and capable of making amazing things in spite of networks, budgets, and so on.

In Avatar's case.. all the passionate hard working people were hired on by Bryan and Mike, and when it came time to make Korra and they couldn't hire on their same team, they struggled to make a series that could even compare to their first creation.

I can almost pretend that I don't want to kill myself. Almost.

They're worse than an indie studio.. They're a professional studio that's stooped to sucking the jewgle e-shekel teat, which is why most of what they produce are list videos full of non-factoids.

They're not even professional, just another feather on the wing of the mainstream media. See

Professional, as in they are a corporate entity. Suncreature is less than a dozen guys working out of a cabin. They are legitimately indie, compared to Frederator, which is some subsidiary of a major media corporation, as you've said.

Denmark is a small country with no animation industry. If they can do something like this then American indie/small-time animators are well and truly out of excuses.

When one of the most notable gaming celebrities is a cynical Brit, living in Australia, talk about how shitty games are, and produces videos using (At most) 500 stills over a 5 minute period, they really don't.

What do you guys think of RWBY?

Shit diet anime made with stolen assets that does everything it sought to do completely wrong made by an incompetent duo of buffoons.

The biggest problem with cartoons, the elephant in the room most people are to ashamed/prideful to adress, its the art.

Why do American "Artists" insist on doing ugly shit?

For example, I cant believe people defend stuff like the Powerpuff girls, nuPPG is liberal shit but the original one is plain old shit.

Or Mlaatr, I cant believe people fing that crap "sexy", not even the best writers can make a show work with that kinf of f"art".

Aesthetics

There's a reason stuff looks the way it does.

Problem is they're not good aesthetics.

Depends on who you ask. However, because companies have to make a profit, they appeal to the widest audience possible, and these art styles were better received than, as you want, "Something better".

And, not to throw this in your face, but why don't you do something then if you're displeased with the way companies produce their animation?

Because you don't understand how animation works.

I personally really enjoy Mlaatr at least animation wise because of its 1950s Sci Fi inspirations. It and most of its animation of the time takes allot of inspiration from the UPA style of animation and abstraction.

As for why people find it sexy I think that has more to do with the voice actor or a fucked up childhood.

What's a GOOD example of animation for you anyways?

Animation can look like a lot of things.

Because I dont know how to draw, much less how to animate?, I am just telling it like it is, cartoon characters and artstyles are just plain ugly.

Even the crappy pokemon- rip-off Anime aired in saturday mornings is better than stuff like Gravity Falls or Star vs

Oh yeah, okay. Let me go start my own revolutionary animation studio.

If you want to learn, it's easy enough. There are guides and videos all over the internet.

Ah-hah-hah-hah-ah…uh-huh, you should probably see this user. XY & Z came out in 2015, Sun and Moon began airing late last year.

Great! Seriously, be sure to post some of your stuff in the OC thread.

Because it uses pretty backgrounds and minimum animation at a low framerate to distract you from the fact that very little is actually moving onscreen?

Im a big anime fan, but its mostly smoke and mirrors. Not that modern Animation hasn't taken a massive drop in quality, and im not a fan of SU and Star Vs myself but anime is a whole different bag of ideals.

Because it "cheats" and "takes shortcuts" by not conforming to early 20th century Disney ideals which are supposed to be ironclad laws that all animators everywhere must follow? Disney and America in general aren't the world animation police, and were left in the dust by Japan a long time ago.

Well I would agree with you if animes ratio of good to bad wasn't even worse than that of the USA.

I mean if you'r about watching "Not" underage children get into sexual positions with their brothers sure. The nature of anime means its supported primarily by otaku who don't care about good storytelling as much as the same story told over and over and it gets worse with every loop.

I mean if you like SAO then enjoy your medium I guess.

Actually the new animation style allows it to be even more fluid and lively than previously. But I think he's talking about something else as he said "pokemone rip-off".

The longer it goes, the more obvious it is that the team has no idea how to tell a story, write characters, or animate action scenes,

What is the point of seing ugly calarts characters like in Ruby Gloom or The loud house acting like idiots for 15 min? at least anime characters are good enough for a good old wank.

explain this one

It's substantially, dramatically better than that of the USA.

A completely meaningless concept in anime (and a dubious concept in real life as well), and shows like Oreimo are a small minority.

No such nature exists, and the "otaku" you are talking about do not exist. This is all something you've made up in your head.

SAO is a single show out of thousands. What about it?

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So is the argument whats least worst? If you like to wank then anime is for you I guess but I guess for me I never found the point since internet porn exists.

If you judge characters by most amount of detail then I guess anime is for you but allot more goes into successful character design than just looking pretty.

You may find it ugly but others find it appealing, or at least more appealing then really samey looking anime characters even if they are less detailed.

She has a cute personality to people. The absence of sexuality in the show gives it a 1950s style innocence, which some people find arousing as opposed to characters that swim in sex but act ignorant for gags.

Mkay. Do you just want more underage porn from western stores?

Found the Otaku.

Alright I explained my reasoning I have no further need to argue with you. Go vote to lower the age of consent or something.

Which one? Yo-Kai Watch?

Or beyblade or scan2go or that one with the dinosaurs, dino-king pick any of them. I dont even care, it would look better than anything the west can shit out.

A lot more goes into anime character design than just making things look pretty, but looking pretty is valuable in and of itself.

They don't look samey.

What is this supposed to mean?

Again, these "otaku" of yours do not exist. They are a product of your imagination.

What the fuck?

goboiano.com/anime-getting-shorter-fewer-second-seasons/

Anime has been watched by and made for older viewers since its early days. Late night anime has roots in 80s and early 90s movies and OVAs and computer games made for non-mainstream and non-children's audiences. The "otaku" demographic does not exist because of a decline in child viewers.

Girls und Panzer and Love Live have teamed up with restaurants too.

Figures are just one type of merchandise. Coffee mugs, scrolls, posters, clothes, towels, bags, pens, notebooks, phone cases, magnets, puzzles etc. are also sold.

It's not a choice between one or the other, and children's anime hasn't gone anywhere even if this article is trying to imply that (Dragon Ball, Pokemon, Pretty Cure, Youkai Watch, Aikatsu, Pretty Rhythm, Cocotama, Time Bokan 24 etc.). And figures are hardly overpriced considering their level of detail and complexity and all the manual work that goes into mass producing them. Many of them can be had for under $50.

Except the anime industry, which has been growing for years (after the late 00s slump) and was worth $18 billion in 2015.

And what is your point anyway? The "otaku" you are talking about still don't exist and these quotes don't do anything to prove otherwise.

I guess bronies are also a product of my imagination, just like those feminists.

I dunno, maybe I have schizophrenia :)

but that money from those extremely niche and overpriced goods must come from somewhere (Israel?, Africa?)

Don't try to bring bronies or feminists into this. They are irrelevant. We are talking about the "otaku" that you've made up in your head.

Also looking at the rest of that article, the author definitely is not very well-informed.

Alright, then inform us on the matter since you seem to be more apprised about it.

There is NO Otaku on flat earth!

Inform you of things that are a product of your imagination? I don't think I can do that.

No, about how the industry works, you twit.

I like how you implied that if you like objectively ugly cartoon girls you either have brain damage or were raped as a kid.

The topic is too broad and there's no particular reason to be talking about it.

Then condense it. The Sonic topics on this board often have people extensively recounting the exploits of Sega (With no relation to the comic). Why can't you do the same here?

It's too broad to be condensed and again there's no particular reason to be talking about it.

Then I have every right to believe that you're bluffing, that you have no idea what you're talking, and that you're in some form of denial.

What the fuck is your problem exactly? This thread has nothing to do with the extremely broad and complicated topic of how the anime industry works, and it's evident you have no knowledge of or interest in the topic.

Then, like I said, inform us.

The topic is asking why cartoons have gone to shit. Anime is a cartoon.

What part of "extremely broad and complicated" escapes you? This isn't like summarizing the plot to a movie or something. You obviously have no idea what the hell you're talking about here.

They're two different things and the American and Japanese animation industries have nothing to do with each other.

You do realist that anime girls would look just as ugly in real life if translated from animation?

But i find it so fun that any arguments about animation merit always just turns out to be pedophiles wanting more wank material.

Tell that to /a/, if Anime was a type of cartoon you wont be able to tell the difference between them.

Anime is the opposite of what a cartoon is, Anime girls aren't ugly deformed little shits like cartoon girls are, Anime aims for beauty, for an ideal and for perfection ( in execution of the actual product), cartoons are vulgar crude and dumb.

Clearly, you don't know history either:

escapistmagazine.com/articles/view/video-games/issues/issue_257/7659-How-Walt-Disney-Created-Manga

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Are you seriously trying to deny they exist?
What are you trying to do? Are you mentally I'll?

the post that guy was replying to is

That's what I get for phone posting
Nigger tier auto correct

Most moe shit is not beautiful
Some anime is really nice though

I wasn't talking about history, I was talking about the two industries as they exist today. And even historically speaking they were separate industries.

Incidentally, Japanese animation and comics predate Scrooge. Even the first feature length animation was released before Scrooge came into existence.

Where did I ever say that otaku are made up?

And?

"Moeshit" doesn't mean anything.

By the same damn company.

The first Japanese feature.

Source on the title then

Really?

en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Momotarō:_Umi_no_Shinpei

Anyone that says anime is cartoons or viceversa is an idiot, I am sorry but is true, they are both animated media, but that's it, there is nothing else they have in common.

Sure you get experimental stuff like Avatar as OP says but that is not a cartoon, it is a "Fake-nime" because it is an anime-like media product, but is not truly Anime.

Have you read about the "moe manifesto" written by a living, really-real Otaku, Moe is a lot of things that build a character, from artstyle to personality.

I have it on my shelf.

"Moeshit" is a vague bogeyman, while "moe" doesn't describe anything really useful. It's not an art style or character trait though, because it's not an objective thing.

You can argue that Moe is a reaction that a member of the audience has but really, It is an objective trait, but it is complicated because is the product of a shitload of traits, it is easier to say what is NOT moe, an ugly, non Japanese, cartoon character cant be moe, something ugly cant be moe because you don't want to take care or protect something ugly and or poorly made.

In resume, while moe is not a single thing you can pinpoint, there is one thing is 100% established, it has to come from 2D Japanese media.

I cringe when I see people saying Ponies are "moe". Or when people post a dumb-looking cartoon character as their "waifu"

This is so autistic holy shit.

There's no objective moe traits, it's all subjective. Moe is just unnecessary shorthand for "I really like this character/this type/these traits."

Technically, that should be, "Fewer young people." I have no other opinion on this topic.

I just realized embed was relevant.

This stuff doesn't hold up that well, does it?

This is what happens when you ask /a/ about western cartoons.
We need mods to keep these things on topic.

Makes you wonder what The Cheat's animation is considered

it says so right there.

OP started it by mentioning Avatar, the poster child of "BUUAA!, I want to be Anime so fucking bad but shitty art wont let me" or Fake-nime.

Who cares?

Still waiting.

The art style in Avatar isn't that bad.

So seeing anything avatar related triggers you?

yikes

Adult Swim?

It'd be pretty indicative of the decline to call Lauren Faust seasoned talent in the first place.

Found the goon. Also top kek at the idea that western animation is a bastion of novel storytelling

I'm still trying to figure out how you cucks think the mainstream media did anything remotely good after 2001.

Haha, Jesus, Holla Forums moderation makes me laugh

Not even a fucking hour and all Cartoon images were banned on /a/

yet this Is going to stay up like 2 fucking months or something. Along whit the ton of other Anime pics here an there.

If you want to know what characters were posted they were: Carol Pingrey ( The Loud house), Iris (Ruby Gloom), and Star Butterfly

It's because people are under the illusion that the Japanese are some-fucking-how responsible for the West's best animation, when it was actually their influence that made animation as shit as everything mainstream 2001 onward.

Don't forget the Jojo general we have that's lived past it's prime.

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Jojo Thread gets a pass because it does not resemble Anime at first glance and it airs on Toonami.

I mean stuff like:

Yeah better post more and more anime girls on Holla Forums so I wont be seeing those fucking ugly cartoon pictures, you are right.

Anyway who wants to see trash like The loud House, My life as a teenager robot or God forbid, Ruby Gloom?

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Jesus Christ, its litterally just one guy spamming shit everywhere. Report and Ignore.

Is that supposed to be a joke? All of those shows are shit.

Jenny is a trash tier waifu

Trips of truth. If user is going to keep up this stupid anime feud, at least mention good cartoons.

Well guess what, what I posted on /a/ were also reaction Images.

You don't see the elephant in the room do you? you can insult cartoons as much as you want on Holla Forums but the moment you post a cartoon pic on /a/ BAM banned for one or two weeks.

You can't justify that. Do you want me to spam Holla Forums with Anime? OK then i will.

He's clearly autistic, you are wasting time trying to make a point. It won't reach him.

Oh no not anime images whatever shall we do.

Nice try user, but I enjoy both cartoons and anime.

Why? cartoons are ugly garbage.

Dubs of truth.

Dubs dubs cartoons are a shit

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Am I going crazy or did over 10 posts complaining about the state of the board vanish.

Yes they did

although tbh a lot of it was just shitposting

It's not good enough that liberals are losing the culture war; they need to go extinct, and we need to start making in happen with our media.

Factoid means something that appears to be fact but isn't. It's not a different word for fact.

The way you describe Avatar makes me think of what happened to Star Wars.

I'm waiting for a response.

Otaku is a real thing gayasses, but it is a very tiny minority as most anime ever is made for children and teens. The Otaku demographic would be the very niche group that like animes about weird obscure stuff. Like that monster girl anime for example, or all those waifuharem shows and their female oriented contrapart like fujobait shit.

How am I a goon?

If someone said that the influence of weight lifers made him spend all day laying on the sofa and eating chocolate, you would probably conclude the problem is not with the weight lifters.

Otaku may be real to some extent, but the "otaku" that Westerners typically talk about are fiction.

Late night anime, which makes up most anime today, is not for children, and its primary audience by all accounts is mostly adults. I also don't think Japan makes much of if any distinction between "teens" and adults like Americans do. You're also assuming for some reason that teenagers cannot be otaku.

You just made this up.

What is a "waifuharem" show and how is it different from a regular harem show?

Something is not bait just because you don't like it.

First of, what do you mean by late night anime? I know that Sinnen or whatever you spell it is the adult demographic, you know stuff like Golgo. It's the kind of shit business men read. But Shounen no matter how violent it can get at times is still for children and teens. But normal teens wouldn't watch extremely perverted or just plain stupid stuff like whatever the Monster Girl anime was called, or the tank anime girls thing. It's the kind of thing an outcast watches. And that would be the otaku demographic. The weird nerds anywhere from teen to manchild. And there is such a thing as bujobait, it's called BL manga. Then again, I don't know if that ever gets turned into anime tbh. The only popular fujobait shows I know of are Free! and Yuuri on Ice, but only because Tumblr won't shut up about them.

Anime that airs late at night, i.e. most anime made today.

K-On, Hidamari Sketch and Gochuumon wa Usagi Desu ka are seinen series.

Shounen is not a genre, it's a manga target demographic. Any manga that runs in a shounen magazine is by definition shounen, which doesn't mean anything except it runs in a shounen magazine. Some magazines are both shounen and seinen, some series switch from shounen to seinen during their runs, some shounen series like Haikyuu have large female fanbases, and pretty much everyone reads One Piece (the best selling manga of all time and also one of most watched anime on TV). I know Americans are super obsessed about strictly segregating things by race, sex, age and whatever else and putting everything in neat little boxes, but things are not that rigid in Japan.

Sexuality has been a part of manga and anime since the 70s, and a manga like To Love-Ru runs in a shounen magazine. If you are saying teenagers wouldn't watch something "extremely perverted" like Monster Musume then you must also be saying that teenagers would never watch porn, which sounds totally plausible.

Girls und Panzer was the 10th highest grossing Japanese movie last year despite premiering in November 2015, and was also the third highest selling animation Blu-ray. Also: anime-now.com/entry/2016/11/20/000040

The Love Live movie was the 8th highest grossing domestic movie in 2015, and its Blu-ray was the second highest selling in 2016. The mobile game had over 18 million players last year.

Outcasts indeed.

It has become a standardized tactic at this point to avoid acknowledging the inconvinient fact that otaku are adults by calling them teens and manchildren instead. Reminds me of the SJW term "white dude" (can't call them men).

Again: something is not bait just because you don't like it.

There's been numerous adaptations of BL manga and games.

Yuuri has been a smash hit in Japan, and you think it's because of some Western loonies on a site that seems to have zero relevance in Japan?

I don't know why the fuck you're even trying to argue about any of these things when you don't know anything at all about them.

This is what "anime" has done to Westerners.

I like JonTron, but I don't think he's joining RWDS anytime soon.

even if the avg cartoon girl looked like this sketch the "Otakin" would call them ugly for not fitting their extremely high & specific standards.

Otaku are just very "exquisite" people.

Just check /a/ or /mai/ this february 14th

Sargon's kid is his own. You're think Total Asscancer.. Or Wil Wheaton.. or probably a dozen other numale faggots who married used goods.

So you're saying Japan has terrible taste, and such taste is mainstream? Well then I guess the West and the East are not that different. It's cancer all the same, but of a different brand.

Duh, the answer is to steal Japan's homework.

1. Make good comics.

2. Use the good comics as storyboards for cartoons.

3. Profit.

holy shit thats like the best idea ive ever heard like literally thats what almost all anime is

Problem comes from the fact that comic companies here, at least the big two and a few indies, are about shared universes. So characters and stories are just cheap products they fool you into buying. Never really changing as the years go on because these IPs sell. Now is the first time we've seen Marvel make extremely radical changes to their main books with all the diversity bullshit. With Marvel and DC, they're no in the business to publish meaningful stories anymore. It's just to keep their brands and IPs alive.

Now we can look at other indie companies for hope for this. They'll allow writers to work mostly independently to make stories they want to make for however long. While the good ones don't force a shared universe branding either. So in short, support indie companies that publish good stories from writers who aren't insane. Then maybe we can start to copy Japan's platform all across the board.

Oh, fuck, you're an SJW.

geez user did you have to go for nightmare mode right from the start?

The setting had potential, but they really had no idea what they were doing. I think Monty Oum was the same as Tite Kubo, in that he wanted to animate cool fight scenes and only used story to facilitate that, instead of using a good story and characters to enhance the coolness of said fights. The new guys just have no idea what they're doing at all.

I see no-one here wants to challenge their own worldview.

The death of Monty was the death of RWBY. Under Monty the anime cliches had an earnest charm, and the plot was just an excuse for cool fights anyway. Without his talents the show is meandering and lifeless.

doesn't that mean that somewhat talented people like some user or others could step into the vacuum once it collapses?
Are we headed into a possible revival?

Reminder that his girlfriend killed him with a cat.

What he's talking about:
>>>/rwby/2189

They pretty much already did that with Justice League at least. Its adaptation of For The Man Who Has Everything is apparently the one adaptation of Alan Moore's work that he actually likes. (I think it was him?)

Yeah it was by Moore. Funny enough the supergirl tv show adapted that story as well.

"Taste" is a meme invented by narcissists who think they are the sole judges of what is good and what is not, even if the judgement is based on just feelings, knee-jerk reactions or speculation.

Storyboarding is trivial. The synergy between manga and anime is mostly about cross-promotion and leveraging a proven idea with a built-in audience. The process also works the other way around, with original anime being turned into manga.

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Yes, that's exactly what I said. What about it?

It's a retarded thing to say.

What is retarded about it?

It's a relativistic statement and therefore undermines itself.

I can still see that you cucks haven't tried refuting yet.

Heil'd.
They're not losing the culture war yet. The tide might be turning, but we have a long way to go.

By what fucking metric? Less people are taking them seriously after their riots (read: tantrums) have caused massive public damage. And what do you mean by "heil'd"?

MLP isn't Moe…

It was made by the same people.

Meaning what, exactly?

MLP is an American show and has no relation with the anime industry.

I'm talking about progressives.

You're an idiot

So you're talking about Americans. Well, as I said, they didn't make MLP.

He's an idiot there's nothing else to it.

Liberals. The left. The people responsible for everything wrong with the world.

Wait are you denying the existence of fujobait?

Avatar TLA Books One to Two being better than whatever American after them is down to Bryke having a way smaller role in actually doing the show. Crewmen like Aaron Ehasz took the blueprints Bryke tossed around and actually made them work. That's even how Azula and Toph (at least, them being girls) were born.

Korra was awful to begin with. This "Season 1 Wuz Good" meme needs to die.

Ugh. Talk about being thirsty.

Neither of which were in those posts.

The story had potential, but as time has gone on it just seems to be more and more poor execution and missed potential.
Also due to the tragic death of the creator, the fight scenes are lackluster now. And the fight scenes were what drew me in. Now that they're the way they are I might be dropping it. I'm still kind of curious how it ends, but seeing how the story been going lately it might be something to train-wrecky for me to watch.

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I really want to see what your standards for 'fatass' and 'steroid freak' are.

It's something that only exists in theory. People think that something is fujobait just because they don't like BL, and they project that onto the anime industry.

Girls fatter or with more muscles than this. Too many White women go out of their way to be uglier and non-White women are especially uglier.

Me again. How the fuck was Avatar good in the first place?

It was just a fun series about a group of kid wizards having fun adventures. It never tried to take itself to seriously, and had some enjoyable characters at least.
How do we know it's you?

We don't

Okay. That doesn't necessarily include good.

Face it, it was a product of post-millennium, Eastern-influenced mainstream media that infects everything from news to entertainment, including animation. It's a trend that spans from 2001 onward, now producing shit like Star Versus and Steven Universe, and is now affecting alternative media with pseudo-conservatives like Milo Yiannopoulos and Blaire White (couldn't find his birth name).

I meant to say "too seriously."

I knew what you meant. I will now repeat

I should also say, is that the best you could respond with? Correcting yourself?

Well?

This isn't youtube. Stop bumping a thread until someone responds.

I'm waiting for someone to prove their intellectual rigor.

TLA gets put on a pedestal since LOK was such a train wreck.

That being said, Books 1 to 2 were a solid enough action show with continuity. Book 3 showed that Bryke are shieet who need to be kept in check seeing as how the season had issues Korra had (an obnoxious protagonist who gets his way no matter how ridiculous or dangerous, asspulls).

I thought they were both awful. See

At least we have Bojack, r-right?

That's not a very good thing.

eh

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bump

The thread was dead because nobody had anything more to say. You don't need to "save" threads.

This is starting to become a problem.

If you're not going to post porn, don't bump the thread.