"Facebook and Twitter Are Too Big to Allow Fake Users" according to Bloomberg columnist

By Brian Fagioli Leonid Bershidsky

They should be regulated in the same way as TV stations and newspapers, which vet the information they publish.

There's something in common between amazing story of "Nicole Mincey," the pseudonymous Twitter user with 146,000 followers who was retweeted by President Donald Trump and then disappeared overnight along with a few other online personae, and a recent prank by a Berliner frustrated with his inability to get Twitter to remove hate speech. The common element is the obvious solution to both problems, which rarely surfaces in discussions of trolling, fake news and cyberbullying.

Social networks should be obliged to ban anonymous accounts. If they refuse to do so voluntarily, government regulators should force the issue.

Nicole Mincey was apparently a fake African American identity that helped sell Trump-related merchandise online. It was part of an enterprise supported by pro-Trump social media posts from several fake accounts representing people whose backgrounds, looks (illegally used stock photos, actually) and views might appeal to potential buyers. The whole scam blew up after the Trump retweet prompted the owner of the photo stock to look into the matter. But how many other pro-Trump and anti-Trump accounts on Twitter and Facebook are actually fake? How do we figure out which of the famous internet echo chambers are even real? Is there a way to make sure real people are not regularly misled and confused by the purveyors of fake opinions who are just trying to sell a bootlegged MAGA cap?

The German story also involves a retweet by a top government official -- Justice Minister Heiko Maas. In a video Maas tweeted this week, Shahak Shapira, an Israeli-born satirist and musician living in Berlin, explains that he tried to flag about 300 tweets violating Germany's hate speech laws to Twitter, but the few replies he received alleged that the posts didn't go against the platform's policy. Shapira then traveled to Hamburg, where Twitter's German office is located, and spray-painted the tweets on the pavement in front of the office building. "Jewish pigs," one said. "If you hate Muslims, retweet," said another. The accounts that tweeted this used pseudonyms, of course.

Germany has a recently-passed law obliging social networks to delete hate speech within 24 hours of it being reported. With the link to Shapira's video, Maas also tweeted a report from a government-funded study showing that Twitter only deletes 1 percent of hate-speech posts after they're reported by users, while Facebook erases 39 percent of such posts and YouTube 90 percent. All three platforms delete almost 100 percent of the posts after being contacted again via e-mail. "#HeyTwitter, that's not enough!" Maas wrote.

Both with Mincey and with the racist tweets in Germany, it took particularly persistent users to draw attention to spurious and offensive content. The networks, though they profess a willingness to fight fakes, cyberbullying and other abuses, aren't particularly proactive about it, and they have a plausible explanation: They cannot police their vast user bases, and they need a lot of help.

But there's an easy answer to that defense. Neither "Mincey" nor most of the tweets Shapira sprayed on the pavement in Hamburg would have been possible had Twitter required identifying information from users before creating accounts. The platform's anonymity -- its privacy policy specifically allows pseudonyms and multiple accounts -- gives bigots, swindlers and bullies a sense of impunity. It's not clear what else it does for users; after all, the accounts with the most followers -- those of public personalities and journalists -- are, as a rule, verified by Twitter. People don't attach much value to anonymous opinions. They may appreciate an account that specializes in a certain kind of content or even an interesting bot -- but what would be the harm in identifying their creators?

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web.archive.org/web/20170817145124/https://www.bloomberg.com/view/articles/2017-08-08/facebook-and-twitter-must-ban-anonymous-users
archive.is/bWy75
archive.fo/Q3i6J
freedomhouse.org/report/freedom-net/2012/south-korea
stallman.org/facebook.html
twitter.com/NSFWRedditGif

Facebook, unlike Twitter, has a strict policy against multiple personal accounts and pseudonyms -- which it doesn't enforce. If an account has been reported as using a fake name or impersonating someone, it may require an image of a government-issued ID. But the company vehemently protests when people try to force it to identify users. A U.K. court case in 2013 is a great example. When the parents of an underage girl who had repeatedly used Facebook to hook up with men proposed the pre-identification of users, Facebook made a number of surprising statements.

"Facebook cannot proactively prevent an individual from registering and creating a Facebook account and profile," the company testified. "It is simply not feasible to review over 1 billion profiles to locate a single user who may be lying about his or her name. No technical program or mechanism exists to prevent an individual from lying about his or her identity and/or age." All it could do, Facebook said, was shut down the girl's accounts -- the new ones she set up every time -- after the fact.

The judge sided with Facebook.

In reality, both Facebook and Twitter would be able to identify users if they wanted to. It would be enough for them to require a valid credit or debit card, the way one does in application stores or on Amazon, and require regular updates to the card information. That way, all accounts linked to one card would be tied to their actual owner, and underage users' accounts would be tied to their parents' identities.

This would immediately resolve the problems of fake names, anonymous bullies, troll armies and hate-speech law violations. There would still be cases of identity theft, but the platforms could easily alert a user if a new account attempted to use his or her card data.

Such identification, of course, would hurt whistleblowers and opposition activists in oppressive regimes. But, for their own safety, those of them who want to hide their identities should stay off Facebook and Twitter, anyway: There's a greater chance that a hostile government or corporation will track them down there than on more secure, encrypted messaging platforms or on the Dark Web. As for the world's unbanked, one could argue they are of little value to the advertisers who fund the social networks and thus non-essential to their business models.

There's plenty of anonymity to be had on the internet for those who need it. There is, however, no reason the huge corporate platforms which essentially trade in our personal information should be allowed to get on a high horse as defenders of privacy. These platforms are huge media companies that have as little to do with the internet's early ideals as today's Apple has with the company Steve Jobs and Steve Wozniak launched in a garage in the 1970s. They should be regulated in the same way as a TV station or a newspaper, which always knows the authors of the information it publishes.

The social platforms hold on desperately to anonymity because it's the basis for their inflated user numbers, which they sell to advertisers and the stock market. If they give it up -- in reality, not just on paper like Facebook -- competitors will spring up to offer it. These are not good reasons for the advertising market's dominant players. They should face up to their responsibility and start caring whether their users are real -- and why they might not want to give their real names if they are.

web.archive.org/web/20170817145124/https://www.bloomberg.com/view/articles/2017-08-08/facebook-and-twitter-must-ban-anonymous-users

I agree. Anonymous posting should be illegal on all websites.

yes and the gummint should regulate this

Wow, this jew isn't even trying to hide it. He wants government to decide who and how people should identify on the internet. What an absolute pos.


In other words, whistleblowers and opposition activists should have even less of a voice than what they have now.

Fuck this guy.

It's not a guy. And it's black. So what is coming out of it's mouth is not all that surprising.

thoughts like this is why normalfags should burn in hell. i dont really care what happens to facebook, but when you come around and start saying my decentralized messaging service is illegal because it doesnt have 50000 employees to regulate it and check other boxes, i'm gonna be pissed.

Still waiting for the government to enforce monopoly laws that should have been enforced 10 years ago on these companies.
Thanks for net neutrality obama you fucking hack enforce monopoly laws, fine these companies for cooperating to remove opposition.
Literally everyone knows they do it.

The article was written by this guy:
archive.is/bWy75

You're confusing the subject in OP's picture from the article, which was the fake account detailed in the piece.

Anyone else seeing the pattern coming together? So-called fake news, hate speech, and anonymous/free speech all under attack at the same time. Even better when you can get companies or individuals to self-censor. Stinks like government propaganda to me.

This is the result of the touchpaper being lit. All (((they))) needed was an "event" to push it.

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As if. Have you not been reading the various political threads on here from the past few days? Much of the right is advocating the same "no bad tactics, only bad targets" bullshit the left does. They no more want to let the left exist than the left wants to let them. Nobody with any presence is fighting for actual equality or freedom.

archive.fo/Q3i6J


If Facebook worked the way these people wanted to, every one of these people would have been executed by now.

Also, Malaysia is only barely a democratic, secular nation. For an idea of how the earlier stages of this system would look in a country that resembles the US or Europe more closely, see South Korea's real name system.

It makes anonymous activity illegal on large online services (which hold a near-total monopoly over SK's internet), imposes extremely severe expenses on small online services, and allows both government and private entities to impose harsh censure toward undesirable online activity:
freedomhouse.org/report/freedom-net/2012/south-korea

You will often hear that this system was shut down following a constitutional court ruling in 2012, but that is highly misleading, as the system was merely shifted from using government provided ID to privately provided ID, and remains as omnipresent and repressive as ever in "private" hands.

The god damned government needs to stay the fuck out private business.

...except for monopolies or near-monopolies. Fagbook and Twatter clearly qualify.

As far as I can tell both want censorship of differing ideologies because they believe theirs to be the morally correct one. Much like the previous moral panics both sides are unreasonable and equally in favor of banning speech when it suits them.

I have no problem with banning speech of faggots who want to ban speech. Eye for an eye, shitheads.

Is it really a left vs. right thing, or some organization behind the scenes playing them off against each other to accomplish their own goals?

It's the jews, man. It's always the jews.

jews need an oven

Wow, what a surprise.

Really fighting the power there.

Anonymity was a mistake

Did you even read this post before you made it?

jej. i tried making an aidsbook account through their .onion domain yesterday to see if it even works
how did they detect this? maybe because i set the age to around 30 years and it was too young? i doubt anyone there could trace it back to the terry davis video or figure out that it's his face. also maybe they got triggered about the captcha taking 10 tries

heh
look at this fella

hahaha
he thinks he is important

You honestly believe that they don't maintain an accurate database of Tor nodes?

they have a .onion domain, i dont know what the purpose is, but obviously in that case they arent just blacklisting tor users. i think the purpose is so the goy can have anonymity (as in the buzzword version) while using aidsbook

is that why plastic surgery is so popular in SK? So people can't recognize you anymore after you got shamed for downloading 10 gigs of porn?

LMAO the kikes and their wive's sons are afraid of anonymous Twitter accounts. This is the best thing I've seen all day.


Unironically this. Jewish culture is utter shit and it produces evil, greedy sacks of shit that ruin everything nice. This may sound like bullshit but I was actually redpilled and introduced to 4pol by a self hating Jewish friend when I was 17. It's kind of sad to see how the Jews don't even care about their own and will literally throw other Jews under a literal bus for the right amount of shekels.

Also nice Hitler dubs. Checked.


The free flow of information shoahs the semites.


Facebook creates shadow accounts of anyone that doesn't have an account already and crawls the web searching for information about them to compile this account. They already know you by the time you sign up. I know I'm in their servers because stupid family members have posted pictures of me there multiple times despite my insistence on them not doing it. There's also the chance that I could've been caught in the background of photos taken in public by strangers. In this way, Facebook tracks your location even if you don't have an account. This is the botnet.

hmm

b8/10
underage b&
umm i doubt the reason my registration attempt failed was because they couldn't link it to an existing shadow account, but feel free to provide a credible source on this

You're fucking retarded. I'm almost 20.

Terry Davis is in their system. General rule is that if you can find a picture of someone's face on Google images, Facebook has it and knows who they are, their date of birth, and at least one family member or close friend.

stallman.org/facebook.html
Stallman is right about most things.

This is what happens when you have a "democracy".

Because public opinion drives (perceived) political change, everybody is out to influence your opinions. Propaganda would not be useful or desirable under a monarchic government with de facto authority.

I'm right wing but this is going too far. All people want to see their side win and the other side lose. It's basic tribalism, and only poets and philosophers are immune to it. "Freedom" is an abstract concept, it means nothing to our tribal monkey brain. When somebody goes around arguing for "freedom of speech", it is a subversive tactic; they are trying to build sympathy for themselves by appealing to the "higher justice". It's an effective propaganda tactic, but nobody is ever tolerant of the enemies of power once they actually have power.

The point is not to get rid of power, but to give the right people power.

Ironically, Holla Forums types are the "whistleblowers and opposition activists" of the liberal West. We only like rebels if they're on our side, the side of "democracy" and "equality".