Cloudflare's statement regarding Daily Stormer's termination

Nathaniel Robinson
Nathaniel Robinson

Earlier today, Cloudflare terminated the account of the Daily Stormer. We've stopped proxying their traffic and stopped answering DNS requests for their sites. We've taken measures to ensure that they cannot sign up for Cloudflare's services ever again.
Our terms of service reserve the right for us to terminate users of our network at our sole discretion. The tipping point for us making this decision was that the team behind Daily Stormer made the claim that we were secretly supporters of their ideology.
Our team has been thorough and have had thoughtful discussions for years about what the right policy was on censoring. Like a lot of people, we’ve felt angry at these hateful people for a long time but we have followed the law and remained content neutral as a network. We could not remain neutral after these claims of secret support by Cloudflare.
Now, having made that decision, let me explain why it's so dangerous.

archive.fo/TZo2g

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archive.is/2017.08.17-042157/https://twitter.com/digitalocean/status/897916700129144832
twitter.com/ZJemptv/status/897960180566159361
web.archive.org/web/20170817172034/https://www.pastemagazine.com/articles/2017/08/spotify-removes-hate-music-from-their-streaming-se.html
blog.torproject.org/blog/tor-project-defends-human-rights-racists-oppose
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gnunet.org/gns
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blog.torproject.org/blog/bittorrent-over-tor-isnt-good-idea
torrentfreak.com/cloudflare-kicking-daily-stormer-is-bad-news-for-pirate-sites-170817/
propublica.org/article/how-cloudflare-helps-serve-up-hate-on-the-web
mobile.twitter.com/BitMitigate
web.archive.org/web/20170820064520/https://blog.namecheap.com/inciting-violence-vs-freedom-speech/

Joseph Brown
Joseph Brown

web.archive.org/web/20170817001217/https://blog.cloudflare.com/why-we-terminated-daily-stormer/

Cooper Lopez
Cooper Lopez

looks like they found out the marketplace of ideas has consumer protection laws :^)

Dominic Hernandez
Dominic Hernandez

cuckfare

Good riddance

Adam Murphy
Adam Murphy

toolbar.netcraft.com/site_report?url=https://8ch.net/

Alexander Butler
Alexander Butler

Can you please post a non pozzed link.

Thanks.

Brayden Butler
Brayden Butler

Don't they still host storfmront?
So its just to make them look good so illiterate normies never realize they're an NSA front.

Lucas Garcia
Lucas Garcia

Don't they still host storfmront?

No. CF kicked DS off because they where "assholes". Thats all it takes now.

cap of internal email.

Hudson Garcia
Hudson Garcia

I know they both have storm in the name, but they really are two different websites. This is why learning to read is so fundamental to successful posts.

Ryder Martinez
Ryder Martinez

good, now like 5 less people in the world who host sites i never visit anyway will use crapflare.
The tipping point for us making this decision was that the team behind Daily Stormer made the claim that we were secretly supporters of their ideology.
dat 8d chess :^)

Aiden Wilson
Aiden Wilson

Is this the day the internet dies?

I'm scared anons. Never mind all the other creeping censorship bullshit that is encircling the wagon, this looks terminal for the internet. People need to use .onion to stop this shit.

Cooper Robinson
Cooper Robinson

whines about content of url
has Giorgio Maone's Wild Ride scanning his router's IP and phoning home

Jayden Green
Jayden Green

hosing a website isn't that hard.

DNS is the problem.

Eli Diaz
Eli Diaz

That is quite possibly the most pretentious drivel I've ever read.

Benjamin Williams
Benjamin Williams

I don't even like NEETSocs, but wow, what a faggot.

John Bell
John Bell

DigitalOcean also joins the fray

archive.is/2017.08.17-042157/https://twitter.com/digitalocean/status/897916700129144832

Bentley Rogers
Bentley Rogers

I don't get it, if they have so much support why didn't they just find some right-wing-friendly hosting in the first place?

Nathan Perez
Nathan Perez

Finding a host isn't hard.
The problem is that with out a service like CF that single host will get DDOSed to fuck.

8ch uses CF. With out it the site can't stay up.

Jack Nelson
Jack Nelson

cloudflare supports what Holla Forums is doing especially pol

Angel Evans
Angel Evans

cloudflare supports what Holla Forums is doing especially pol

For now. Just wait until someone with a blue check mark starts bitching on Twitter.

Old movies on TCM will be next.

Ian Collins
Ian Collins

But /pol/ is full of evil nazi's. Just like the nazi's over at DS. Claiming CF supports that kinda thing is what got DS shut down.

There is a storm coming.

Xavier Edwards
Xavier Edwards

(((Levenstein)))
Every time without fail.

Christian Kelly
Christian Kelly

Why the absolute fuck don't they just use someone other than cloudflare? Why doesn't anyone use something other than cloudflare? It's fucking garbage. I could probably set up something to stop 99% of DDOS attacks in my sleep and like most Holla Forumsnitions I am not all that proficient in programming. Christ this whole thing pisses me off to no end. Both the fact cloudfag is stepping up their game and also that people are so fucking oblivious to their own options.

Another thing I don't get is why people just don't traffic sites they don't like? As the minority with good things to post move away, the majority will get more and more disenfranchised. I've seen it happen so often. The people with badthink are also those with the most interesting perspectives on life. Without them conversation topics tend to dry up. So why then do the interesting people still tolerate dung heaps? It's not like the alternatives which can be fucking garbage but at least you aren't shat on every ten seconds. They literally line up under the asshole and volunteer themselves to be shat upon instead of standing aside and saying "if and of you want to talk to me I'll be over here". Does no one even remember how the old internet even worked? Or dare I even ask: does no one know how to be a fucking man anymore?

Christian Gray
Christian Gray

the Stormer needs it tho, every commie script kiddie dreams of DDoSing it to death.

Brody Moore
Brody Moore

Protecting it from being DDoS'd to oblivion by a raging SJW mob is much harder though.

Hudson Cook
Hudson Cook

They know we're a hornets' nest not to be fucked with.

Adrian Miller
Adrian Miller

Fuckig deserved it too, good riddance. You do NOT claim your multi-million-dollar DDoS protection service are actually secret Nazis, especially against the ToS.

Josiah Lewis
Josiah Lewis

The thing that bothers me most is the following:

If we could have done better, we would have.

Andrew Morales
Andrew Morales

person with very little network knowledge here. how to migitate ddos using only single host?

Dominic Bailey
Dominic Bailey

You buy a specialized machine with network switch speeds as fast as quantum physics will allow, and then find out it doesn't do shit against a botnet rented off the dankweb for 0.01 bitcoins

John White
John White

set up something to stop 99% of DDOS attacks
what would this be then?

Juan Robinson
Juan Robinson

Cloudflare.

Tyler Collins
Tyler Collins

4chan runs on Cloudflare too but since they lock out VPNs and Tor it would be easy as fuck to van anyone that posted on /pol/ ever.

All they have to do is knock out every other right wing site on the net then herd them to the 4chan honeypot.

Eli Johnson
Eli Johnson

"we just kicked off a group because of their political ideology but don't worry we're still content neutral"

Jason Jenkins
Jason Jenkins

Good you nazi fuckers should be killed on sight. Done with you fucks thinking you have any rights.

Juan Wright
Juan Wright

Kek. So it wasn't just a one-off. We'll be next.

Blake Green
Blake Green

is this the day the internet dies
lol no we're still gonna be neutral
apart from those guys
oh and them
and them
can't forget them
maybe these people too

Jaxon Walker
Jaxon Walker

The far right can't get their shit together, they're all cucked to google, youtube, twitter, facebook etc.

Jason Clark
Jason Clark

The situation is analogous to this image.

They want to complain about Jews on platforms owned and run by Jews. It's like all the feminists that live off their father's money.

Dominic Scott
Dominic Scott

Thank god these mega-corps gave them a reality shock. Now they'll seek out decentralized, open sourced alternatives. Maybe we'll get a few lone wolf attacks out of it too.

Jace Long
Jace Long

twitter.com/ZJemptv/status/897960180566159361

kiwifarms is next

Jack Sullivan
Jack Sullivan

"shut this down because it has my address"
Since when is this illegal? Are they going to take down white pages too?

Cooper Wood
Cooper Wood

just me or Dreamhost looked very eager to help out kicking them?

Colton Turner
Colton Turner

Back to the oven with you, Shlomo.

Adrian Hill
Adrian Hill

Cloudflare really set a bad precedent by banning DS. Now every safe space snowflake is going to want things they don't like removed from cloudflare. And when cloudflare says no, they're going to say that cloudflare supports the sites they aren't removing.

Cloudflare is either going to have to go ban happy or they're going to have to get a ton of negative PR. They fucked up big time. I'm sure those cuck bloggers are all in their mailing groups scheming how to destroy cloudflare for not doing exactly as they say. Expect some well coordinated articles soon about how cloudflare won't remove all these "toxic" websites that are hurting people.

Luke Lee
Luke Lee

Good! Let those faggots burn. Whichever course they choose, we win.

Sebastian Hall
Sebastian Hall

DigitalOcean also joins the fray
bye bye CuckOcean

Caleb Rogers
Caleb Rogers

tfw you have to use tor browser to get past cuckflare blocking voat

tfw you have to use tor browser to get past cuckflare blocking frontpagemag

tfw you have to use tor browser to get past cuckflare blocking hollywoodintoto

What the fuck, it's like I woke up and Cuckflare is blocking half the fucking Internet. Can these cunts just die already?

Nathaniel Ortiz
Nathaniel Ortiz

they're all cucked to google, youtube, twitter, facebook etc.
This.
But that's basically a lot of people (even in tech).
For example in maling lists more than half of them use gmail.
Or when, they want to video conference they use skype or other proprietary shit because it just works on multiple platforms (because yes has strange has it is "open source" people are likely to use windows or mac.
Which is something that I don't understand because there's literally no fucking reason to use them or forcing others to use non-free/libre software since Gnuring is multi platform or meet.jit.si simply needs WebRTC .

Jack Moore
Jack Moore

Cloudflare is either going to have to go ban happy or they're going to have to get a ton of negative PR.
It would be nice to see them implode but I doubt that will happen. They can afford to act arbitrarily over something that makes them look so good and then they can afford to carry on ignoring the snowflakes like they did before. Ditching DS gives them enough good boy points to live off until this blows over. Nothing will change.

Adrian Foster
Adrian Foster

What the fuck, it's like I woke up and Cuckflare is blocking half the fucking Internet.
It isn't new, people have been warning about this for a fair amount of time.

Christian Bell
Christian Bell

Yeah, I've been seeing it on an doff for years. But this morning, I saw it over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and n

Colton Martin
Colton Martin

Now every safe space snowflake is going to want things they don't like removed from cloudflare.
This won't end up badly :^)
Either cloudflare obliges because they don't want the sjw backslash.
Which will result people fleeing their services like the speed of light or conform to the new police thought.
Or they don't do it which will result in SJW backslash and people will be fleeing their services.
It's always nice to remember that the only thing that SJWs ideology does is to destroy shit.

Nathan Wilson
Nathan Wilson

I saw it over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and n
Sorry m8 I didin't know.
It's a meme now, I guess ?

Connor Allen
Connor Allen

Just what FOSS needs! More arrogant pricks, non-contributing parasites, entitled pieces of shit and help vampires.

Carter Rogers
Carter Rogers

This unfortunately.
If people just take a look at /pol/ for example if you propose them to migrate to a GNU/linux distribution they'll give you a hundred retarded answers and discards yours or they'll gladly be migrating to the literally worst distro that is linux mint and install skype/discord and other pieces of crap.
And they do all this will criticizing and BS the community.
I remember one of them going on the icecat mailing and making some enormous shitpost for about a month which is utterly depressing for people who move their asses and work instead of shitposting for a complete month.

Angel Hall
Angel Hall

ITT: Holla Forums slowly wakes up and realizes it may not be in their best interests to be friendly with a bunch of niggers that simultaneously claim to hate jews yet throw around "goyim" (non-jew) as an unironic slur

Angel Ross
Angel Ross

it may not be in their best interests to be friendly with a bunch of niggers that simultaneously claim to hate jews yet throw around "goyim" (non-jew) as an unironic slur
Obviously some of them says shit unironic but we can't know for sure.
It's better to help them anyway than saying gtfo you bigot racist etc....
It's all a question patience and doing the right thing and not a question of who deserves to be helped.
Of course the best way to help people is to tell them to RTFM :p

Jose Nguyen
Jose Nguyen

"Direct IP access not allowed: You've requested an IP address that is part of the Cloudflare network. A valid Host header must be supplied to reach the desired website."

FUCKING CUUUNUUUUUUNTS

Jace Morgan
Jace Morgan

stormfront aren't Nazis
kek

Nathan Price
Nathan Price

IT BEGINS

Why doesn't anyone use something other than cloudflare?
The principal reasons that I get from people is because of bandwidth cost which is utter BS because other (smaller entities) proposes bandwidth at the same or lower price.

Good you nazi fuckers
implying everybody on /pol/ is a nazi
should be killed on sight
Violence on breeds Violante and yes that's also valid for /pollacks/ or anyone else.

Done with you fucks thinking you have any rights.
One has the right to do anything he wants has long that he doesn't trespass the law.

Probably.
Thanks god I've been using tor for more than a year.

aka Weaponized autism

Fuckig deserved it too, good riddance.
Has much the reasons were their I don't agree that something should be censored on the web.
Even hatred or insulting shit like the Daily Stormer said.
People have to learn and it's not by removing the learning content that it's going to happen.

Nolan Myers
Nolan Myers

a shekel for a good goy

Jayden Phillips
Jayden Phillips

)))stormer(((
I know cloudflare is glass when it comes to security and anonymity but I'd say most tech CEOs don't wanna deal with politics.

Politics is bad for technology but technology is good for driving politics (technocracy or AI archons)

IDGAS about SJWs or rightwing/nazis anymore. They're both retards for playing the loser's game. They can't even come up with a proper debate. Unrefined mouths will be their undoing. Don't fail the ascended masters. They can literally annihilate our dimension but they are merciful.

Be merciful.

Christopher Price
Christopher Price

Oh, no! Did you just compare left wing race-obsessed faggots that deal in logical fallacies to right wing race-obsessed faggots that deal in logical fallacies? Clearly you're a left-wing faggot pretending to be rational. Everyone knows right is right.

Dominic Williams
Dominic Williams

I am neither. I hold no beliefs other than the belief that there are higher frequencies. We cannot reach or comprehend but feel. I hold no faith other than being thankful at this very moment.

they always observe
messengers who speak numbers
sometimes intervenes
but we're always at their mercy
waiting for us

The only illogical thing is despair and disturbance.

David Gray
David Gray

If not for Cuckflare there wouldn't be any website there for you to visit in the first place.

Kevin Brooks
Kevin Brooks

Cloudflare was actually the solution to the internet's greatest problem: DDoS
Without it all the hackers and botnets will clog the internet and be unusable.

The infrastructure isn't failsafe but at least it lets the system flow.

Isaiah Bailey
Isaiah Bailey

and here's an example of the kind of unthinking, pattern-driven zombie which will eventually cause the alt-right movement to collapse. Same shit as an AOLer with different artificial flavoring.

Caleb Perez
Caleb Perez

/leftypol/ fags and /pol/ leave pls

Andrew Cox
Andrew Cox

On the contrary, we need to kettle them all in and then open fire.

Andrew Young
Andrew Young

Pure coincidence.

Bentley Roberts
Bentley Roberts

O-Okay, Terry.

Jayden Morales
Jayden Morales

It isn't new
Tell me about it. From Wikipedia: "Cloudflare was created in 2009 by Matthew Prince, Lee Holloway, and Michelle Zatlyn,[4][5] who had previously worked on Project Honey Pot.[5][6]"

Eli Allen
Eli Allen

HERE WE GO

web.archive.org/web/20170817172034/https://www.pastemagazine.com/articles/2017/08/spotify-removes-hate-music-from-their-streaming-se.html

Michael Bailey
Michael Bailey

2nd image tells me three things:
1) Cloudflare's design is highly suboptimal
2) Abandoning DDoS-protection is not an option on the internet's architecture
3) Are there any theoretical or extant alternatives?

Brody Parker
Brody Parker

What about all the nigger rap that encourages drug abuse, rape, and killing cops?

Julian Moore
Julian Moore

They're just looking for any excuse to please their Judeo-Marxist masters.

You'll note that when an Islamic car of peace flattens a few white kids the tech industry unites to sing the praises of Islam.

Christopher Reyes
Christopher Reyes

It's not a bad thing. It's a preventive measure.

Technology shouldn't be getting any more government regulations. Just let them be and fuck the altright movement. They aren't even sure to win the fight yet they fight it. It's a huge weakness.

It's like failed revolution resulting to an authoritarian dystopia. Fucking useless weak keyboard warriors.

X=Work
Y=Play
Z=Shut it. left/right trash

Dominic Watson
Dominic Watson

What about all the nigger rap that encourages drug abuse, rape, and killing cops?
This
But user what about diversity ?
This is basically one of the response someone will make.

Logan Edwards
Logan Edwards

...cont
Before altright/lefties:
*internet* - a place to laugh, play games, watch porn, anything. Have FUN
<WOW cool gif!
<nice shock website!
<cool html!!!
<wow i can play music!

altright/lefties 2007++:
weaponize internet
aggressively
le anonymouse
le reddit ('le' is cringey btw)
threatening each other and the authorities
authorities regulate internet even more
yify, nyaa, etc all dead
good sites taken down
soros funds to battle fake news
firefox is dead
google too
free software foundation and OSS is dying slowly from leftists
This is why you don't fuck with politics through the internet.
(((they))) start to get aggressive now
<the silent revolutionists aren't ready yet
FUUUUUCCCCCCCCKKKKKKKKK

You guys just kept/keep on destroying fucking anything because what you only care about is "WINNING"
OH YEAH HERE"S THE DARWIN AWARD BUT I DON"T HAVE ENOUGH FOR YOU LEFTIST AND RIGHTIST RETARDS

FUCKING GO TO OLYMPICS YOU FAT/FAGGOTS IF ALL YOU WANT WINNING AND DESTROYING.
UNREFINED BEASTS.
SEE WHAT YOU"VE DONE!
WHO"S THE BOOMER NOW EH?

Camden Hill
Camden Hill

You'll note that when an Islamic car of peace flattens a few white kids the tech industry unites to sing the praises of Islam.
Message of piece sells better than message of war and destruction.

Jose Cox
Jose Cox

Just block a peer who's trying to access a site x amount of times over x seconds. Done.

Dominic Taylor
Dominic Taylor

You do NOT claim your multi-million-dollar DDoS protection service are actually secret Nazis, especially against the ToS.
Even hatred or insulting shit like the Daily Stormer said.
They claimed CloudFlare were secretly Nazis. You don't claim that about such a business, even "ironically".

Isaiah Sanders
Isaiah Sanders

Yes, content on the internet is horrible right now. The question is what can we do to fix it (or at least make it more < 2007)? There is no point in being angry about current state of the web, it won't solve anything.
What we need to do is to create content/services and control access to it via either passwords or technical knowledge. We can replace search engines with wiki pages. It's pointless filtering through tons of shit blog posts to try to find what you seek, when you could either find desired information on wiki or ask on dedicated searching IRC channel. I didn't discover most sites I visit using search engine, I found links to them on forums and imageboards and I'm sure that's also the case for most people around here.
We need more general mailing lists, ftp servers, irc networks, BBS, imageboards, forums, torrent indexers dedicated to various topics.
I'm aware that this post is probably completely pointless and nothing will happen again. If only few people would come together and start doing something to improve current situation it would already be a huge step in right direction.
Does anyone here know about/uses ChaosVPN? I think networks like this are the way to go back to better times.

Carson Nelson
Carson Nelson

Funny how they don't post a blogpost for each "vile" HS out there but they had to do it for TDS. blog.torproject.org/blog/tor-project-defends-human-rights-racists-oppose

Aaron Adams
Aaron Adams

chooses edgy ideology and acts like a fucking retard online just because he wants to be a contrarian edgelord
gets assblasted whenever a webiste or individual condemns his ideology and/or bans that content
Just chill for fuck's sake. This is what altright faggots always wanted in the first place.

Anthony Hughes
Anthony Hughes

No. cuckflare is not the only anti-ddos solution on the internet, contrary to what the skiddies all over this imageboard seem to belive. even the fucking article OP links to affirms this.

Dylan Carter
Dylan Carter

I left this comment but it isn't showing up.
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What was the point in this article?
Show everyone you don't like Nazis? Nobody likes Nazis.
SocJus aren't going to use your software, it stops them shutting people down.

Maybe more time should be spent on making the network resistant to deanonymisation attacks.

Easton Baker
Easton Baker

all you have to do is copy tor browser's user agent to get on most cuckflare sites. Links has a similar user agent and also works. that said, a few sites like archive.is and archive.fo still block you depending on the time of day.

Cooper Nelson
Cooper Nelson

It's called hosting on both Tor and i2p.

Grayson Miller
Grayson Miller

that sounds fun as fuck i fucking love installing arbitrary software to use a basic service

especially when feminists will take them over too eventually

Leo Powell
Leo Powell

I think comments are moderated.

Isaac Reed
Isaac Reed

yes. use one of the 10000 anti-ddos solutions that is not cuckflare. even the other competing meme service Akami isn't as bad as fuckflare. anyone who uses cuckflare is completely incompetent. we've already seen cuckflare's "le ultra advanced security features" blow up in their face causing them to leak bank credentials all over the place (the vuln was called Cloudbleed), and that really should have been the nail in the coffin. also as of a few months ago, you can get past cuckflare's captcha gate by changing your user agent to the one tor browser uses.

Aaron Moore
Aaron Moore

<`pkg_add tor i2pd`
not hard

Gavin Hill
Gavin Hill

What the fuck, it's like I woke up and Cuckflare is blocking half the fucking Internet.
cuckfare has been blocking the internet for all tor/vpn/public IP users for like 5-7 years now. you've only just now seen it because you were lucky or don't care about privacy.

Juan Nguyen
Juan Nguyen

stating shit that hasn't happened ever as proof of why it can't be done
literally "waaah, waaaah, why isn't everything easy??? :("
Just make your own damn server if you care so much or host overseas.
muh social media
Make your own GNUnet/IRC/blog/RSS feed.
b-but I won't reach as many people as if I was using Faceboook :'(
=FUCK YOU=
Facebook, Twitter, etc. are private companies and as such they have the right to decide which users can or can't be using their services.
You can't believe in freedom and then expect everyone to bend over backwards just so you can spew your bullshit online. If they don't want to be associated with you, they don't have to.

Alexander Reed
Alexander Reed

Don't shit where you eat.
Subspecies that don't understand this simple thing deserve to die off.

Zachary Rodriguez
Zachary Rodriguez

enjoy having no friends, no connection speed, no server when the pedo that shares a box with you gets it seized, and no ISP eventually for "suspicious activity on non PoC approved websites"

Jose Rogers
Jose Rogers

le private company meme

Robert Gonzalez
Robert Gonzalez

web.archive.org/web/20170817195800/https://blog.torproject.org/blog/tor-project-defends-human-rights-racists-oppose

Nathaniel Jenkins
Nathaniel Jenkins

go neck yrself cunt

Parker Bell
Parker Bell

What a shitty screencap.
This future isn't possible

Asher Myers
Asher Myers

They claimed CloudFlare were secretly Nazis.
And ?
Fucktons of retards does that all the time.
You don't claim that about such a business, even "ironically".
Agreed but this is the web, if you have a brain rumors goes immediately to the trash, it's again a choice that people have to make either they do it with reasoning or not.

Christopher Cox
Christopher Cox

It's like telling everyone your boss also likes to fuck kids.
You don't do it, or you get what's coming to you.

Ayden Fisher
Ayden Fisher

That, my friend, seems like your problem; not Facebook's.
Make your own shit, they don't owe you anything.
using shit that hasn't happened as proof
You might as well say that since they removed that website, they will hunt down 4chan shitposters and murder them with an axe.

Logan Flores
Logan Flores

Simple way to get Cloudflare to drop the violent Antifa sites: get Antifa to do the same thing the DS did and publicly state that Cloudflare supports them

Landon Barnes
Landon Barnes

or they'll gladly be migrating to the literally worst distro that is linux mint and install skype/discord and other pieces of crap
It's still a massive improvement over Windows or MacOS. Baby steps, user.

Brandon Perry
Brandon Perry

Except Antifa is a religion of peace. Do you seriously expect Cloudflare to use the same rules on them? Patreon kicked a lot of "alt-righters" but resisted as much it could to not kick a guy that's doxing Charlotte's nazis (and one innocent guy) and an antifa group whose site had tips on how to attack infra-structure. This is what one of their engineers had to say back then

Nicholas Hill
Nicholas Hill

But now they've kicked someone off. Now the game is forever changed.

Isaac Ross
Isaac Ross

hey Holla Forums retard from /b/ here. what would it take for us to have our own CF equivalent?

in b4 lots of shekels, other than that

Grayson Fisher
Grayson Fisher

Stunning and Brave
lol

Isaac Garcia
Isaac Garcia

Dreamhost

tit for tat?

honestly, why should I care about either group of radicals, when neither is willing to uphold free speech for its enemies?:

Noah Gomez
Noah Gomez

You'd need to convince people around the world to sell or lease you property and infrastructure in aid of your goal. Surprisingly enough, the real world is not an autistic spreadsheet MMO.

Henry Peterson
Henry Peterson

I've seen much worse from moderators of forums who get high off their own drama tbh but yeah, seems like an overdose of cognitive dissonance. I've noticed a lot of people who claim to be ideologically neutral or pro free speech will only endorse that position as long as they like what they see. The minute they get the chance to censor what they don't like they take it with a smile while still wanting to claim the neutral position.

Whatever, fuck them. At least we now know they'll censor whatever they feel like censoring.

Austin Ward
Austin Ward

Stormfags can get fucked, but this sends a pretty clear picture that anti-DDoS services are not impartial. What's the solution that respects freedom of speech? Fully decentralized internet?

Isaiah Nguyen
Isaiah Nguyen

Gastropods are wildly successful lineage of mollusks that undergo torsion during development so that their anus opens over their head. Apparently shitting where you eat isn't quite as bad as it's cracked up to be.

Elijah Morris
Elijah Morris

Can we false-flag some websites as nazi by posting stuff on them and then reporting them to CloudFlare and the hosting service?

This way they'll lose clients and money.

Brayden Brown
Brayden Brown

FREENET
freenetproject.org/

Freenet was invented years ago for just this situation. Everyone should be using it. It's basically an uncensorable, anonymously secure internet.

Nolan Gray
Nolan Gray

pls do. what is the list of shit cuckflare doesnt like? almost all those shitty warez sites are behind cuckflare. also those insufferable ad plastered wait 5 second short URL services. both should be able to be fucked with via fake DMCA

Jace Hernandez
Jace Hernandez

Denial of Pussy attack :-DDDDD

Jaxon Cruz
Jaxon Cruz

Do you guys remember when some fag got b& from a subreddit and in order to be allowed back in he had to write 50 lines or something like that about trans oppresion ?

William Smith
William Smith

50 lines or something
500 words

Elijah Bailey
Elijah Bailey

They seems run of the mill social justice warriors.
Anything racist/nazi/bigot/homophobic/white/etc.
That's the easy part. Maybe we can find some copy pastas.

The hard part is finding attackable websites, that u can make them look like they're about the things they hate.

For example a general forum website without obvious topic(ex. from its name), we could spam the general subforum with nazi stuff until the first few pages are populated with it. Then when someone visits it he'll think it's nazi/racist/etc.
Also the website shouldn't be too known otherwise it will be obvious (ex. can't do that with Newgrounds or something)

I fucking hate powertripping asshole admins in any way shape or from.
I used to crash so many gmod RP servers for that :^)

Liam Wood
Liam Wood

implying u get any pussy from online dating sites

Mason Fisher
Mason Fisher

Has anyone ever found the identity of Magres ?

Gavin Johnson
Gavin Johnson

Judeo-Marxist
I've tried to promote this phrase into common parlance partly because of it's accuracy in describing the groups and motivations destroying the west, but also as a rebuke to the prevalent Judeo-Christian oxymoron. Dunno where you heard it, but I'm glad to see someone other than myself using it.

Juan Flores
Juan Flores

wtf is happening right now

Ethan Jones
Ethan Jones

It's a coordinated attack.

Like when you see a barrage of articles from different outlets released within days, minutes or even seconds of one another all promoting the same falsehood. This attack is a little different than a media slander campaign. It takes another page out of the same Alynskyite tactics though: de-platforming. After Google put groups like the ADL in charge of kvetching policing content it was not difficult to see how quickly things would take this turn.

Brandon Edwards
Brandon Edwards

my master's thesis was over a 100 pages long

Probably has a master's in gender studies, the fucking fag.

Adam Brown
Adam Brown

This is fucking nuts. How is Gab responsible for "hate speech"? This is a shakedown of kikery proportions.

Leo Collins
Leo Collins

Just wrongthink.

Chase Roberts
Chase Roberts

Google and the rest of the internet gatekeepers want to get rid of some competition.

Carson Anderson
Carson Anderson

Holy shit they're cunts.

decentralization now.

I could design a general system for abstraction decentralization.

The goal should be having several server hosters, so a single host can't pull off some shit like that, because the other hosts will still provide the service.

I only some a handful of obscure project on GitHub which are similar.

Noah Brown
Noah Brown

lmao. this makes me want to finish my planetside 2 hack (fucked up and lost the code). i bypassed their anticheat in 10 minutes

Camden Martin
Camden Martin

I'm sure Paul will patch your hatecrime hacks in a matter of hours.

Cameron Martin
Cameron Martin

Tox

Zachary Perez
Zachary Perez

These really should be compiled into one pastebin or graphic with archives.

The tally so far:
Cloudflare terminates Daily Stormer
Digital Ocean kills Hatreon
Spotify removes "hate music"
Gab.ai app removed from Google Play store for "hate speech"
Identity Europa de-platformed by PayPal, Squarespace, MailChimp, Stripe, Amazon, Facebook
Damn, (((they)) really hate Europeans having an identity, huh?

Reminder: "hate speech" does not legally exist in the United States. Under the first amendment all speech regardless of hurt feelings is protected. SCOTUS re-affirmed this FACT not long ago. Unfortunately due to the political power of corporate entities they have a different set of rules which enable them to tread on constitutional rights however they please.

Matthew Cook
Matthew Cook

Daily reminder that free speech doesn't imply that companies are forced to hold your speech. Private companies are within their rights to cease associating with people due to their political beliefs. There is no constitutional issue whenever a private company chooses to prevent hate speech in their platform of speech.

Logan Young
Logan Young

I'm about to invest $1000 in gab

Grayson Ramirez
Grayson Ramirez

Freedom of association used to exist until civil rights were invented in the 60s.

This is a bigger deal than deciding who can use which water fountain or where to sit on the bus or whether or not a baker should be coerced to bake gay cakes.

Blake Cooper
Blake Cooper

what is the list of shit cuckflare doesnt like?
8ch.net/boards.html

Lincoln Bennett
Lincoln Bennett

Is this satire? Please tell me this is satire, everyone fucking knows what kind of shit festers on Tor, and to even go against their own mission because "we only want to protect those who are oppressed for conforming to the agenda of our media masters"
This is the epitome of irony.

OY VEYY WHITE PEOPLE ARE FINDING COMMON GROUND WITH EACH OTHER, SHUT IT DOWN BEFORE THEY BREED
I never used to be so /pol/itical, until I saw for myself the shit that is being done in the name of "progress".

Dylan Roberts
Dylan Roberts

I just wanted to play video games and then tumbled down the rabbit hole from there.

Jacob Young
Jacob Young

What about the human rights of the kids being abused by the pedos on TOR ?

Caleb Price
Caleb Price

Tox
Oh I didn't notice before Toxcore is general communication, not just chat.

The problem is that those companies are internet monopolies. Them deciding to censor people = them censoring the internet.

The solution is to provide decentralized services, so a single powertripping asshole can't control an aspect of the internet.

decentralized service isn't the same as competing services. People tend to invest in learning and using a single tool for a job. web search? Google. Video site? YouTube. File syncing? Dropbox.
Decentralized service share the same marketing & brand, same product, same UX/UI, but under the hood it's run by several independent people.

Nicholas Brooks
Nicholas Brooks

The social justice-leaning assholes at Tor are all r-selected vermin. Premature sexualization of children is one of their goals, whether they realize it consciously or not.

Elijah Thompson
Elijah Thompson

5 and 6
youtube.com/watch?v=eM4J7ljCExM
7
Has long has the internet is used the way it's actually used, aka centralized/broken, then there's no real solution because regulation is made by humans and humans are always the flaw in technology.

Freenet is broken and in no way it secures anything.
for the internet to get back on it's legs you need to have anonymity of:
-Publisher Anonymity: It is impossible for an adversary to link a publisher to a document.
-Reader Anonymity: An Adversary cannot determine which other users reads a certain document.
-Server Anonymity: It is impossible for an adversary to determine the servers storing a certain document.
-Document Anonymity: A server does not know which documents it is storing.

Colton Howard
Colton Howard

Like Bitcoin for example.

You don't have a single authority over the bitcoin network that can ban users, unlike the PayPal example in this thread.

Sebastian Diaz
Sebastian Diaz

there's not that much bad stuff on tor. you must be one of them there journalism consumers
t. 12 year tor user

Hunter Miller
Hunter Miller

Is this the NWO just throwing away it's disguise or are all these idiots really willing to shoot themselves in the foot like this?

Just about every single time any internet business gets in trouble with the law, it's because some of the users did something. And the only legal defense against this is saying "we hold no responsibility over what users do" and offering your service as a platform. Why would they want so badly to NOT BE a platform? Fucking advertising whores.

Anyway, it's 2015++ and the internet fucking blows. I'm jumping ship.

Jaxon Sanchez
Jaxon Sanchez

wait are you saying the ability to read books without logging which pages you read and at which time is supportind pedos? or are you saying being or supporting pedo is SJW? because neither are true

Levi Brooks
Levi Brooks

Are all mods power-tripping child's on reddit (I don't go there so I don't know).
The funny thing is that if he does the study correctly (basically read the methodology if their is one, if their none then discard or put it in a subsection of none sourced research) he'll see that most of the studies published about trans are completely biased.

Carter Green
Carter Green

Freenet is broken and in no way it secures anything.
Explain in detail why you think so. Mentioning the latest LEA attack does not preclude it cannot be patched in future, just like all of Tor's vulnerabilities over the years.

for the internet to get back on it's legs you need to have anonymity of:
Publisher Anonymity: It is impossible for an adversary to link a publisher to a document.

Which Freenet provides.

Reader Anonymity: An Adversary cannot determine which other users reads a certain document.

Which Freenet provides.

-Server Anonymity: It is impossible for an adversary to determine the servers storing a certain document.

Which Freenet provides, since, it doesn't actually reside of a server as such.

-Document Anonymity: A server does not know which documents it is storing.

Which Freenet provides. See above comment.

Not doing too well with this, are you?

Nathaniel Myers
Nathaniel Myers

There isn't any bad stuff on Tor if you don't look for it :^)

Jace Martinez
Jace Martinez

what am i reading?
-Publisher Anonymity: It is impossible for an adversary to link a publisher to a document.
freenet has this
-Reader Anonymity: An Adversary cannot determine which other users reads a certain document.
freenet has this
-Server Anonymity: It is impossible for an adversary to determine the servers storing a certain document.
documents have no location on freenet. you may happen to host a piece of some file at some time, but you are not liable to know or care, since you have to do an unreasonable amount of work to figure out what file you're hosting. in the worst case a government may compile a list of banned files, but to enforce that people obey such a list would be enforced censorship of information which should be illegal in most countries
-Document Anonymity: A server does not know which documents it is storing.
One of the main points of freenet

Dominic Diaz
Dominic Diaz

Unfortunately due to the political power of corporate entities they have a different set of rules which enable them to tread on constitutional rights however they please.
/murica/
*pls be bait*

Adrian Foster
Adrian Foster

gnunet.org/concepts
gnunet.org/compare
Doesn't respond to the question I know.

Bentley Ross
Bentley Ross

Toxcore is general communication, not just chat.
I want to see that used that way for something. I know there's autism like ratox and toxvpn, what's missing is pubkey-based dyndns (nss_tox.so) and mesh networking (cjdns clone).
IPFS has more of the userspace needed to do those things, but tox's netcode actually fucking works.

Lucas James
Lucas James

Good. Fuck nazis and fuck nazi sympathizers.
#NOAIRFORBIGOTS

Owen Allen
Owen Allen

Anyone have a photo of the actual TOR code team?

I am thinking this will end up like that google doodle of the NASA probe team.. Cartoon showed 90% non-white. But the real team was all white.

Jaxon James
Jaxon James

no air for bigots

Did you just volunteer to hang yourself? I commend you, commie.

Cameron Adams
Cameron Adams

What about the human rights of the kids being abused by the pedos on TOR ?
Pedos didn't need tor in the first place to be pedos.

The social justice-leaning assholes at Tor are all r-selected vermin
True since Jacob Appelbaum was slandered away from tor.
Premature sexualization of children is one of their goals,
Have you anything to back that up ?
whether they realize it consciously or not.
With this kind of sentence you are never wrong aren't you ?

Robert Jackson
Robert Jackson

found it

Jason Brown
Jason Brown

DELET THIS

Brody Bell
Brody Bell

what he means is he wants to keep the free helicopter rides for himself and his buddies

Jace White
Jace White

Doesn't respond to the question I know.

Anonymity loves company. GNUnet may be the theoretically superior alternative, but anonymity is going to be worse when almost no one uses it. Not a lot of people even use Freenet but it does have about 60000 users according to this study:
freenetproject.org/assets/papers/roos-pets2014.pdf

I could not find any information about GNUnet's daily userbase. Compare both with Tor which has several million:
metrics.torproject.org/userstats-relay-country.html

Liam Wilson
Liam Wilson

inventor of onion routing
I "invented" onion routing myself when i was 17 without reading about tor, you niggermonkeys.

Nathaniel Brown
Nathaniel Brown

snowman.net/projects/ipt_recent/
Wrote myself a module which I called 'recent' to track seen IP addresses and be able to match against them using some criteria. What this lets me do is basically build up a temporary 'bad-guy' list for when people attempt to port scan me and whatnot and then I use the match to drop everything coming from them for a given amount of time.
< been in the mainline kernel for some time

I would use this plus a distributed nosql backend + load balanced virtual IP's across many hosting providers many lightweight sacrificial web nodes vm's.

The problem with many amateur sites is that they put their egss in one basket mainly due to the fact most off the shelf website CMS software use an SQL instance.

Connor Gutierrez
Connor Gutierrez

Anonymity loves company.
Agreed
GNUnet may be the theoretically superior alternative, but anonymity is going to be worse when almost no one uses it
And ?
This is a fallacious way of thinking.
A mesh network builds itself like all mesh networks.
Freenet was at the same state at the beginning just like any other mesh network.

I could not find any information about GNUnet's daily userbase.
That's because it's not possible to do so it's only speculations.
It would be theoretical to do so with GNS but the results are very variable.
But atm we know that their are few servers.
The Gnunet team has only 10 that they use for testing taler and debugging right now so they lower the bandwidth to 10kbps.
Some anons have began to make/test some servers and it's possible to have good speed between us.
Again gnunet needs more users and that by trying to make a server and to be honest it's not easy and you have to RTFM, RTFIRC, RTFML and post your experience.
The last gnunet thread was some time ago and I have a backup just in case for people to read it there was some good advice.
There was also a lot of changes in the source since then.

Compare both with Tor which has several million:
Yes but even if tor has several millions of users it the quantity of nodes that are important.
Tor's biggest flaws is it's centric node design and exit nodes.

Mason Thompson
Mason Thompson

arrogant pricks, non-contributing parasites, entitled pieces of shit and help vampires.
You mean jews?

Landon Kelly
Landon Kelly

Jews use the Intel C Compiler

Dominic Davis
Dominic Davis

Someone with a good goy email account please report this sexualization of minors to Cloudflare. The admins of 8ch.net wont remove it, so it only makes sense to report it to the service providers.
/b/7296421/

Joseph Lewis
Joseph Lewis

BALETED

loser.

Andrew Robinson
Andrew Robinson

There's a CP bot making its rounds across boards. Isn't it interesting how it is happening right when sites are getting kicked from registrars, hosts and whatever?

Carter Parker
Carter Parker

And ?
This is a fallacious way of thinking.

Lol, okay buster. Go use that "anonymous network" that has all of 10 people using it. This is basic stuff, kid.

Yes but even if tor has several millions of users it the quantity of nodes that are important.
Tor's biggest flaws is it's centric node design and exit nodes.

Yet the NSA said it was king of anonymity networks (according to the docs released via Snowden in 2013.) You can sit and criticize it all you like but it works. That's why the feds have to construct malware likely utilizing a zero day in order to circumvent the Tor network itself. If you have done any studies personally that counter this, I'd be willing to read them. I won't hold my breath though.

Jacob Perry
Jacob Perry

what about the rapists who use cars to escape the police?

Colton Cruz
Colton Cruz

No, what's coincidence is that you can expect some alt-chan autist to commence spamming their dead site here some time in the next few days

Michael Anderson
Michael Anderson

expecting normalfags to use obscure software to browse web pages
This is the problem. You need a solution that requires no installation of anything, only a human-readable web address they can plug into Internet Explorer. It may work for the Daily Stormer to chill on TOR for a bit until they can get set back up again, but this should be considered a temporary solution. TOR, I2P, Freenet, GNUnet, and other such services have important use cases, but they don't include being a backbone for the Internet.

Isaiah Garcia
Isaiah Garcia

Jewsh might get the bullet too

Tyler Green
Tyler Green

how to migitate ddos using only single host?
I would like to know more about this as well.
So far I have a reused gaming PC as a router, and its set to drop every incoming connection except a tiny set of exceptions. It's mostly ok, but there are times the server performance tanks.

Adam Peterson
Adam Peterson

Ben Maciewitz from TYT has been the host of TCM for years, even before Robert Osborne died. It's just a matter of time.

Landon Jones
Landon Jones

Those connections have to come down the link to your WAN. Even if your router completely drops every TCP request those requests are still coming down the line to you.

So if you have 100m connection then 100mbps worth of requests can DOS you. Doesn't matter if your machine isn't replying to them.

This is why DS can't just get a host in some noplace country. (((They))) will just DDOS the whole datacenter offline. No small time hosting company wants to deal with that.

Samuel Morales
Samuel Morales

Well hosting dox isn't very defensible even if its the dox of a vile piece of shit.

John Walker
John Walker

cuckflare is mozzed
really makes you think

Elijah Wood
Elijah Wood

781783
why do you care if 8ch gets kicked from cuckflare? it would force 8ch niggers to use an actual non-pozzed anti ddos solution and would be better for all the tor/vpn/work/cafe users here because they no longer have to fill out 1 captcha per website

Samuel Moore
Samuel Moore

an actual non-pozzed anti ddos solution
Name one

Jason Scott
Jason Scott

Someone said Akamai a few posts up but didn't they do some shady shit a while ago too?

Daniel Garcia
Daniel Garcia

I think this may be a problem without a solution. I mean, I can think of some approaches on clearnet, like a BitTorrent-style swarm-host accessed through a JS frontend, but I have no idea if anything would work, and am not aware of anything ready to use today.

Caleb Nguyen
Caleb Nguyen

Three of DigitalOcean's co-founders are Jews.

Logan Morris
Logan Morris

Sounds like IPFS.

Nathan Diaz
Nathan Diaz

inb4 someone EMP's sillicone valley in retaliation

Grayson Taylor
Grayson Taylor

Is there some way to transparently access a webpage on IPFS, from a clearnet normalfag browser, using only a human-readable URL?

Brody Martin
Brody Martin

The human-readable URL is the only weak point. Technically you can set up a domain name that redirects to an IPFS or IPNS address on the HTTP gateway, but the whole purpose of this discussion is to avoid DNS entirely.

Kayden Thompson
Kayden Thompson

a plugin

Josiah Young
Josiah Young

IPFS.js, iirc. I don't know the status of that part of the project, but it's a javascript implementation.

Aiden Davis
Aiden Davis

How, when, show me an example. Is this a realistic option, even theoretically?

Gavin Powell
Gavin Powell

archive.is/2017.08.18-041813/https://twitter.com/thatadamguy/with_replies

Gavin Richardson
Gavin Richardson

js-ipfs is useful if you want to have people help host your site, and I'm not even sure if that's possible right now, but adding it in go-ipfs and accessing it through the HTTP gateway works just fine.

Take their website for example. Built in Hugo, deployed to IPFS, and anyone can access it at ipfs.io/
github.com/ipfs/website
You could easily do the same.

Asher Perry
Asher Perry

(((Adam Lasnik)))

Jacob Perry
Jacob Perry

Hi Jim! hows the site been coming around lately?

Carson King
Carson King

There is an Israeli company that used BGP for only when the site is under attack, I think tutanota uses them.
ZeroNet/WebTorrent/IPFS.
js-ipfs or ipfs gateway
what is entering an IP address directly

William Cooper
William Cooper

a browser (and anonymity) isn't the solution to the censorship problem.
The problem isn't Chrome or Firefox, the problem is the web service monopolies and human nature.

The only solution that doesn't end up in powertripping service is to design one which is impossible to happen = no central authority.
That means the solution lies in creating competing decentralized services that we can switch to and rest assured they won't, and can't, become what we switched from.

I wonder which SJW-controlled services are easy to replicate as distributed.
Mapping the internet with a search engine is a bit too big of a task for a start.
Patreon is simple counting but I don't want to deal with the real money responsibility.
OkCupid requires a lot of users.
DigitalOcean seems like a viable target, at least for simple start with server hosting. Though how do you distribute it when you have an account system?

Liam Clark
Liam Clark

Is there any website that keeps a record of bullshit that companies like the ones mentioned here do, with citation to trustable sources like web archive?

Jaxon Hall
Jaxon Hall

The problem at hand is these left-right retards really love to fucking put on a show and seek attention from their enemies.

True revolutionists aren't this stupid tbh.

Deep web already exist for this very purpose. The problem here is most of these noisy poltards and leftists don't even have the capacity to use technical computer tools. They don't even know how to set up a basic vpn or a proxy server.
If they can't do proper opsec then they can't do anything. They have strong stockholm syndrome and cognitive dissonance because they can't accept the fact that most technologies they use today actually spy on them in broad daylight and record their voice/phone to botnet at night

Solution:
Solutions already exist. The problem is the left-right illusion.

Elijah Ramirez
Elijah Ramirez

Hiding your IP doesn't stop political censorship

Caleb Nguyen
Caleb Nguyen

I don't care one bit about political censorship.

Tech censorship is an even greater problem. It's like media. Owned by (((few))) and very absolute.
Same shit's happening right now with internet infrastructure.

Government laws are the problem. FCC disallows the use and creation of meshnets. You can't win if you can't build it.
Most routers now have backdoors too.
Political censorship doesn't even compare.

Cooper Perry
Cooper Perry

ok tho that's a different topic than the one this thread is about.

Carter Cox
Carter Cox

And ?
This is a fallacious way of thinking.
Lol, okay buster.
buster
sigh
Go use that "anonymous network" that has all of 10 people using it. This is basic stuff, kid.
I didn't say don't use Tor, I say if you can make a gnunet node.
You can sit and criticize it all you like but it works.
See above
That's why the feds have to construct malware likely utilizing a zero day in order to circumvent the Tor network itself.
Zero days can exist in any system gnunet isn't exempt of that.
If you have done any studies personally that counter this
They only way to counter a zero day is to know/discover it.
I'd be willing to read them
I've been convinced a long time ago just read for starter:
gnunet.org/sites/default/files/NET-2015-02-1.pdf
All of the studies:
gnunet.org/bibliography

Easton Gonzalez
Easton Gonzalez

Sounds a lot like the gay cake scenario.

Ayden Lopez
Ayden Lopez

Not the user you responded too.
ok tho that's a different topic than the one this thread is about.
Because this isn't a thread about giant tech companies censoring websites ?

Oliver Hall
Oliver Hall

a browser (and anonymity) isn't the solution to the censorship problem.
It solves one part of the censoship problem. Accountability. If you live in a suppressed society and can be punished by law for stating your opinion, it is an excellent tool at hand.

The problem isn't Chrome or Firefox, the problem is the web service monopolies and human nature.
The browsers have become web service monopolies themselves, collecting meta-data about the users. The thing that can be done from the browser perspective is to let the user control the program, instead of opening the gates to exploitation by web service monopolies.

The only solution that doesn't end up in powertripping service is to design one which is impossible to happen = no central authority.

I completely agree. However these existing technologies have their own technical difficulties if we aknowledge that most connected devices (if we ignore IoT) is smart phones. In the case of Tox fx. the issue could be solved if the DHT was optional and support-nodes helped relay traffic for non-DHT and firewalled users. I think the first step to this kind of decentralized technology, where algorithms make the decisions, are the federated approach. I think it is the only way to quickly move the ordinary user to decentralized services, instead of rushing them directly into DHT and blockchain based services. Compare it to how easy it is to make people use searx compared to how easy it is to make them use YaCy or Seeks (abandoned?).

Isaac Ortiz
Isaac Ortiz

Accountability
Only to a limited extent, and use cases which aren't relevant to this topic - all the company bans mentioned ITT doesn't need to track the user's IP. They just ban their service account.
Hiding your IP in all those cases is useless, since it isn't what used to identify the user.

You could also change your IP. Hiding your IP is only useful if you do something that will cause someone to come knocking on your door. Maybe for preventing doxxing too.

collecting meta-data about the users
How that relevant? The only way it could be relevant is if services will preemptively ban you based on your internet history. AFAIK it isn't happening.

I agree that transition should be as simple as possible, and that the tool must not introduce additional complexity to the users, otherwise it can't take off.

Jack Bennett
Jack Bennett

collecting meta-data about the users
How that relevant?
Watch and learn
media.libreplanet.org/u/libreplanet/m/the-surreptitious-assault-on-privacy-security-and-freedom/

media.ccc.de/v/33c3-8414-corporate_surveillance_digital_tracking_big_data_privacy

Austin Russell
Austin Russell

robots.txt

Charles Rodriguez
Charles Rodriguez

I dont care about "muh internet privacy", if servers keep records of what u send to them.

This thread isn't about not getting caught with CP, it's about unfair political censorship of legitimate users.

Parker Collins
Parker Collins

even the other competing meme service Akami isn't as bad as fuckflare

You think Akami would be fine serving The Daily Stormer?

get real.

Isaac Sanchez
Isaac Sanchez

a browser (and anonymity) isn't the solution to the censorship problem.
Hidden IP = hidden server = no abuse = no takedown

Leo Phillips
Leo Phillips

hurtcore cp is fine but nahtzees is going too far

fuck the tor project

Alexander Murphy
Alexander Murphy

Both are fine and anything else is an infringement of free speech.
inb4 muh pedos

Thomas Barnes
Thomas Barnes

explain to me how a hidden IP will prevent YouTube from demonetizing your channel, or Spotify from removing your songs.

David Lopez
David Lopez

It don't. But it will prevent your server getting taken down for "hate speech".

Robert Thomas
Robert Thomas

This thread isn't about not getting caught with CP, it's about unfair political censorship of legitimate users.
it's about unfair political censorship of legitimate users.
Not it's about internet giants censoring something and that's more worrying than anything else.
You should watch the conferences to know the ways they can select who and what they censor.
Learn about technology instead of staying in your primitive state.

Luis Bennett
Luis Bennett

In the case of using a web host, trying to hide your user identity from your website would help indeed.

You can also host on your own machine and you won't have a middle man to take you down.

Though that's a specific case, not a general solution to the problem at hand.

Nicholas Wood
Nicholas Wood

As 2020 rolls around they can do a shut it down on all pro-Trump stuff and try to swing the election in the favor of the Dems.

Michael Gonzalez
Michael Gonzalez

how about an auxillary hosts file plugin for firefox (or whatever else) that can be shared using magnet style links or qrcodes or even barebones text files
easy hosts file thingo

Julian Lewis
Julian Lewis

The human-readable URL is the only weak point.
gnunet.org/gns

Luke Reed
Luke Reed

I'm sorry I was probably off-topic. I saw the problem as a package of general privacy and decentralization, I complete ignored that this was about hosting providers terminating their customers. To that I'd say find another host or host shit yourself and if anonymity matters set up at hidden service. Problem solved.

Nathaniel Stewart
Nathaniel Stewart

not only hosts, web services in general.
Switching isn't always a viable option, for example a professional YouTuber won't get near as much views on other platforms.

Cooper Nelson
Cooper Nelson

ask some nationalist in the US/switzerland to host it on their home computer
just distribute the IP
The server's IP is hidden with a hidden service too. It works like this:
server connects to the tor networks
picks some rendezvous points
announces their key+rendezvous points to the network
connects to the rendezvous points over tor (3 proxies)
the user connects to the rendezvous points over tor (3 proxies)
Both are hidden.

William Turner
William Turner

hurtcore cp is fine but nahtzees is going too far
Both are fine

David Evans
David Evans

Child porn shouldn't be condemned, it should be praised for upholding the principles of free speech.

Xavier Wilson
Xavier Wilson

Youtube is still your host. Getting free promotion by youtube is not a human right.

Colton Rivera
Colton Rivera

So they're legally watching their ass then...

Brody Hernandez
Brody Hernandez

you dont get it

Michael Jones
Michael Jones

Please clear up the point for us.

Anthony Walker
Anthony Walker

you dont get it
No, you don't get it. YouTube, Facebook, etc. Are private companies and as such they can decide who can and can't use their services, who they associate themselves with and what content they publish.
If they don't want to allow your shit in there, sucks to be you. Make your own YouTube or fuck off.

Cameron Kelly
Cameron Kelly

You dont get it.

The point is designing a software system in which there's no single entity (person, company, organization) central authority over the users of a platform.
Such platform cannot be censored by the whims of those who control it.

Elijah Ross
Elijah Ross

godaddy, cloudflare, torproject, EFF and twitter have all made statements against daily stormer

Nolan Harris
Nolan Harris

I don't get it, if they have so much support why didn't they just find some right-wing-friendly hosting in the first place?
BECAUSE THE LEFT CONTROLS EVERYTHING
THEY CONTROL EVERYTHING

Jordan Perry
Jordan Perry

I could probably set up something to stop 99% of DDOS attacks in my sleep
no offense mate but you have no idea what you are talking about. read some of the CF writeups about how they respond to DDOS attacks. They are able to do it because they have huge resources.

Jaxon Sanders
Jaxon Sanders

These fags won't learn. Now they're using dailystormer.lol and using a crappy anti-DDOS whose only protection is:

var now = new Date();
var time = now.getTime();
time += 300 * 1000;
now.setTime(time);
document.cookie =
'challenge=BitMitigate.com'
'; expires=' + now.toUTCString() +
'; path=/';

and gets easily defeated by using curl and the following cookie file:

.dailystormer.lol TRUE / FALSE 188888888888 challenge BitMitigate.com

Josiah Hall
Josiah Hall

But I was told by a turkroach that these gourmet ideas are the best. Why are people not practically falling over themselves to get a slice

Aiden Barnes
Aiden Barnes

thanks, I needed that laugh

Angel Murphy
Angel Murphy

he actually posted this on Holla Forums
Did we get a massive influx of normies or something recently?
This place is turning into halfchan /g/ really quick.

Ian Garcia
Ian Garcia

I hate to shill, but I own the Kiwi Farms and this Google cunt is harassing my fucking email server with her @google.com address.

kiwifarms.net/threads/2017-08-18-liz-fong-jones-harassing-people-for-hosting-my-email.33411/

I'm pulling in all my resources to get together some hardware and IPs and colo. Thread is here:

Not going down without a fight fam. We will win this shit and we'll look back on the 2010s as the Dark Ages of the Information Era.

Brandon Edwards
Brandon Edwards

go beg nanotech for help you pedocuck

Parker Wright
Parker Wright

This is great news. It will push up adoption of Tor and I2P. I think selling a small "all-in-one" Darkbox solution would be profitable. Such a device should include a couple ethernet ports and a couple wifi adapters. It should have a moderately sized HDD for temporary storage of files. It should come with I2P, Tor, IPFS-over-Tor, a modified Transmission client which strictly leeches over Tor and only utilizes UDP for DHT search-only lookups (modified to use a random port number from the torrent port), and maybe a couple other services preinstalled and [mostly] preconfigured, all done in an isolated/secure way. Ideally the device should be running OpenBSD, drive encryption enabled, and on boot it refers to a SIM-card sized smart card which has to be inserted when turned on/restarted to unlock the drive encryption headers. All update services should be served over Tor by default, IPFS client, or a variant of I2P's I2PSnark torrent system, to ensure authenticity and availability.
This device should be able to serve up a transparent proxy port on one ethernet port (effectively a "darknet uplink" identical in appearance to your regular modem/router's uplink), an isolating proxy connection (serving just the services but not doing transparent proxying by default), and provide encrypted+APisolated wireless networks. I could expect this device to cost $400-$600 for hardware as powerful as a new computer 5-8 years ago, but it being [near-]fully turnkey and acting as a primary user-friendly gateway to the darknet.
Of course these boxes would come with Tor relaying by default (not exit-node, relay). Payment should be done with cryptocurrency probably Monero for its privacy and I have yet to figure out safe/user shipment methods. Each update should include a truth canary which is signed and states in plaintext "The source of this update has not been served any warrants or notices from any governments or their agents, and has not been compelled to act in any fashion by aformentioned." for which its existence is checked and, if found non-existent, puts the box into red-alert mode disabling any automatic updating actions in the future, and warns the user immediately of the situation. This statement, in order to be effective, must not be applied in an automated fashion and it should be 1 man's role to type it as part of update release-engineering essentially a BDFL.

Aiden Peterson
Aiden Peterson

namefagging
reddit spacing

Lucas Torres
Lucas Torres

He's not new, he created Infinity Next™

Kevin Flores
Kevin Flores

at least they don't block 99% of the web from people who don't use their own private IP address for everything. Literally only cuckflare does that. im not into webdev so i cant give you the names of the other 99999999 services out there, you'll have to look it up yourself

Chase Carter
Chase Carter

e-dramz, the website

Justin Thomas
Justin Thomas

yeah no shit doofus that's the point

Eli Morris
Eli Morris

hosting on youtube
asking for money for videos of you playing video games
asking for money for videos of you r makup tutorials
hosting on Spotify
kill self

David Clark
David Clark

professional YouTuber
and nothing of value was lost

Oliver Brown
Oliver Brown

you have no idea what you're talking about
reccomends cuckfare as if they are the authority on the topic of DDoS mitigation
i wonder where all these kiddies leak into this imageboard from. i thought only the hipster webshotter community sucked off cuckfare this much

Christian Sullivan
Christian Sullivan

I am not a fan of DS because of the (((TRS))) connections and always though they were just a honey pot however this is concerning that all white Europeans are being labeled racist by a (((cabal))) and their hoards of brainwashed minions who seeks world domination.

Is their any viable solutions for DS and others like them? Regardless of what left right paradigm ppl unfortunate enough to be coral-ed in even though the right is seemingly the only ones being attacked.

Censorship is bullshit.

Joseph Collins
Joseph Collins

ITT: retards realize that private companies have the ability to allow and disallow use of their service from anybody, and will continue to disallow a minority (/pol/fags) from using their services for good PR with the majority of users

Robert Ward
Robert Ward

IPFS, onion, fastflux all work fine.

Elijah Allen
Elijah Allen

Imagine if you refused to serve feminists or niggers on the grounds you don't like them. It's not sexist or racist because it's your private business and you do what you want.

Adrian Flores
Adrian Flores

These fags won't learn
I know right.
But that's because they have an ego the size of jupiter.
pun intended
And because of badly founded paranoia.
There's no reasoning with them or little of them can be spoken with just like SJWs.
Now they're using dailystormer.lol and using a crappy anti-DDOS whose only protection is:
sigh

Did we get a massive influx of normies or something recently?
Yes.
/pol/ is assblasted because the cloudflare botnet and others are beginning to censor their shit.
I'm not happy about the censoring but I laugh at the /polacks/ who were warned several times in the past years and began to shout jew and bullshit each time we tried.
And they still don't listen.
See for example the post It will push up adoption of Tor and I2P
Tor has some design flaws and doesn't suit long term use.
I2P is JAVA/oracle crap that needs to be re-written from scratch into another languages.
And they ignore completely gnunet because they are too incompetent and lazy to RTFM.
Even tho gnunet is the only project beside Tor (a military project with specific needs) who had for 10 years multiple studies and thesis made on it they even at some point began to study about making specific hardware for it.
I think selling a small "all-in-one" Darkbox solution would be profitable
I already see the massive failure of this.
It should come with I2P, Tor, IPFS-over-Tor
IPFS-over-Tor
Yes use an already flawed mesh network over another flawed mesh network instead of using the a software that does already both.
a modified Transmission client which strictly leeches over Tor and only utilizes UDP for DHT search-only lookups
blog.torproject.org/blog/bittorrent-over-tor-isnt-good-idea
all done in an isolated/secure way
It's not like what you want to do is already overstuffed.
Ideally the device should be running OpenBSD
HAHAHAHAHA
Ideally the device should run on free/libre hardware either with a deblobbed coreboot, kernel and distribution or with POWER9 hardware.
(and without poetering software)

Payment should be done with cryptocurrency
probably Monero for its privacy
for its privacy
privacy
And that's the whole problem realistically speaking if you want to by shit IRL no bank/government is going to want that money that can't be taxed.
The only crypto currency that has a layer of privacy for the buyer that banks/governments are willing to be ok with is Taler.
and I have yet to figure out safe/user shipment methods
Their is no legal/easy way for that.
Either you know people or not.

Jaxson Jones
Jaxson Jones

I2P is JAVA/oracle crap that needs to be re-written from scratch into another languages.
Why?

Chase Gomez
Chase Gomez

we already have /baphomet/index.html

Henry Martinez
Henry Martinez

Everyone already knew that. The point is you can now count on cloudfare CEOs and higher-ups to inject their personal biases and opinions into their services and selectively deny their services to anyone they personally disagree with. They should be shunned and shamed for these actions because they go against what the internet itself stands for. This is literally the most blatant example of a slippery slope you could possibly get. Cloudfare CEO in a bad mood and doesn't like your site? Bam, fuck you, everything is closed because my feels hurt. Who's next on the list, hey that site hosted a controversial interview once. Fuck them, closed denied service, goodbye. Look at this news site that publishes stuff I consider mean and violent speech, closed, fuck them because I feel like it.

This shit is cancer and needs to be called out as such by everyone if you wish to have an open forum of ideas on one of the only platforms available. Monopolization is going to fuck us.

James Lewis
James Lewis

It would be sexist and racist, but also within your rights, so nobody should be able to have the power to stop you.

Ryan Reyes
Ryan Reyes

torrentfreak.com/cloudflare-kicking-daily-stormer-is-bad-news-for-pirate-sites-170817/
Torrentfreak thinks Cloudflare just fucked itself.

Thomas Russell
Thomas Russell

And they are right. CF just opened themselves up to a massive wave of lawsuits, drastically increased their operating costs, and shrunk their customer base. All in one rash, political motivated decision.

They threw their common carrier protection away. Which means they now have to hire personnel to constantly monitor all the content going through their network, or face legal consequences for their customers breaking the law.

Owen Gonzalez
Owen Gonzalez

You think Akami would be fine serving The Daily Stormer?
even the other competing meme service Akami isn't as bad as fuckflare
he was obviously not suggesting anything regarding the disposition of Akami and was in fact saying that it is a functionally superior DDOS protection service

lrn 2 read

Joshua Cooper
Joshua Cooper

I2P is JAVA/oracle crap that needs to be re-written from scratch
It has been.

Adrian Foster
Adrian Foster

The problem is that those companies are internet monopolies. Them deciding to censor people = them censoring the internet.

are neonazis so dumb so as to not be able to host their websites in their own servers? join a physical meshnet if you fear your ISP will cut your service, or fire up a Tor hidden service.

gas dem fucking technologically incompetent rednecks

Jordan Hughes
Jordan Hughes

Why?
Modular design and terminal compatible.
And the why of not using JAVA is obvious.

Jonathan Hall
Jonathan Hall

we are already fucked because cuckflare blocks off half the web from anyone who cares about privacy (anyone who uses any kind of proxy). hosts have been kicking people off for no reason since the beginning of the internet. if you niggers werent completely nigtarded, you'd use one of the other 9861587632576 non-mainstream hosting sites and simply move if they kick you off, inestead of bitching about cuckflare, digitalocean, and godaddy censoring your shit every 5 minutes. this is what i did when i hosted warez 15 years ago. if you use cuckflare in the first place you're a complete fucking moron. cuckflare is the most pointless meme bullshit to exist since docker or node.js, except it actually actively harms the internet by blocking all proxies from viewing websites, and has vulns in their (((security))) products which effect every customer no matter what they do - see cloudbleed

Aiden Fisher
Aiden Fisher

seems like it was just a PR move in response to this article from May 4:
propublica.org/article/how-cloudflare-helps-serve-up-hate-on-the-web
who would have expected anything less homo of cuckflare?

Nathan Hall
Nathan Hall

Cloudflare is a protection racket that both enables DDOS and "protects" against it. Doesn't surprise me since antivirus companies are known to do that.

Ryan Diaz
Ryan Diaz

A new competitor has arisen!

mobile.twitter.com/BitMitigate

Christopher Price
Christopher Price

Those buttblasted people repeatedly calling them nazis for accepting their money

Colton Long
Colton Long

lol who cares about internet censorship when you can make your own private intranet like aol or compuserve

Since most of the bitching here about Cloudflare seems to be from TOR/VPN users asshurt over CAPTCHAs (and a few more legitimate complaints, as in >>>>781421 2nd image), what's BitMitigate's stance on this?

Justin Jenkins
Justin Jenkins

Any info on who is behind bitmitigate? I always wonder the motivation for these companies that usually provide these services for free.

Ethan Nguyen
Ethan Nguyen

I suppose this is a good thing, necessity is the mother of invention, maybe this will attract some people to use these alternative networks.

But seriously someone need to host quality porn, warez or roms on these networks, it gives semi-normie some reason to even consider installing it.

Hudson Morales
Hudson Morales

I always wonder the motivation for these companies that usually provide these services for free.
I think they sell analytics and traffic statistics

Aaron Wood
Aaron Wood

I always wonder the motivation for these companies that usually provide these services for free.
Market penetration? Gab managed to score over $250,000 in two days after the techolocaust. I imagine BitMitigate is shooting for the same; publicly offering to protect DailyStormer for free has garnered them a lot of traffic no doubt.

Nolan Parker
Nolan Parker

CUCKED AGAIN
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web.archive.org/web/20170820064520/https://blog.namecheap.com/inciting-violence-vs-freedom-speech/

Zachary Clark
Zachary Clark

It's probably a sham run by some leftist. You don't get something like cloudflare overnight as that took a fortune to get off the ground. And there's always the rub: if you want to build big you need a huge amount of money, and finance at that level is ruled by Jews.

Jace Rodriguez
Jace Rodriguez

what's BitMitigate's stance on this?
it sounds like a cuckflare clone. so it's going to be exactly the same as cuckflare except they allow the daily stormer. they will cargo cult all the snake oil practices of cuckflare such as WAF, le epic anti scraping technology, etc (im still not sure what the point in cuckflare's "anti scraping" crap is - i've crawlwed around 100K pages that use cuckflare without any problem, even over blacklisted IPs). i have no fucking idea why all these shitty reverse proxy CDN bullshits are popping up, really makes me want to spend some weeks taking down cuckflare clients. DoSing a website is easy as fuck, even with small bandwidth, because websites are made of flaky bullshit that can be taken down at the application layer, and thus it doesn't matter how much bandwidth you can handle. Hell, getting access to the database of most websites is easy, and DoS is an order of magnitude easier.

Charles Sullivan
Charles Sullivan

Cloudflare used to show you where the things on your site ended up, an image in some shit tumblr post for example.

They got rid of that, guess it cost too much, but they left the now useless scrapeshield name up.

Jayden Sanchez
Jayden Sanchez

"Hate music"
What's next, hate porn? Hate food?

Alexander Baker
Alexander Baker

Oops, meant to reply to

Charles Morales
Charles Morales

You know, I always wondered where Cloudflare came from, it practically appeared overnight providing its service for (((free))). Well now I know, another nail in the coffin of free Internet.

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