Gas the Lolbertarians, Fash war now

R.I.P. classical liberalism

The best minds the Enlightenment could produce went to war to created something new on this planet, and now we know what it was all for:

It was all so this flaming faggot could signal virtue by surrendering to Marxism.

Good riddance.

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Libertarians are made up of two groups:

Autistic liberals who hate paying taxes
Former republicans who like to smoke pot

You know "fash" is just what Alt-Right LARPers call so-called "rightist libertarians", right?

It's the best I could come up with at 4 am to stay within the confines of the snowclone.

Can you do any better?

Tbh Trump is a fucking cuck for apologizing

After the mainstream media is purged, smug twitter cucks are next in line.

It was less of an apology and more of a way to bring up Bill's rapes

Not really. He was always going to dole out one apology like this. Scott Adams called this months ago. He even got correct the manner in which Trump would frame it too.

It's a crime to support Trump now? If Trump does not win, I fully expect we will be hearing that some of these people end up shot.

Former libertarian here.

I was just in it for the guns, honestly.

I have come to the realization that libertarianism will just degrade back to liberal lunacy or communism, complete with noguns, over a long enough timeline.

I want fascism. I want the left to SUFFER. I want the gun control supporters to fucking pray for weapons in hopes of being able to defend themselves.

I was in it to keep my taxes from subsidizing niggers and thots.

welcome to the fold. you've finally accepted the fact that this is, in every sense of the word, a war.

You're a nigger.

I was in it for the degeneracy.

OP Jeffrey Tucker is about as libertarian as Bill Weld is. He's a cuck that thinks the gov is just a force for evil racists and bigots. The guy writes for reason.com for fucks sake. Not defending libertarianism here they've failed to keep the libshits out and now they are paying the price for it.

Sage for shitting on the Founding Fathers you disrespectful cunt

And somehow fascism will not.

Dub dubs checked.

Holy fuck user, you nailed it.

The entire facist system is immune to left-wing subversion.

That's why they are so terrified of it, the only way to take down a facist state is via military means.

The libertarian party fell apart after 2012. I know a cuckservative who hates Trump and supports the lead cuck of the Libertarian party.

I'm not sold on fascism. I feel as though there must be a better way than either full democracy (which promotes degeneracy) and fascism (which enables witch hunts and total oppression of all citizens).

A limited democracy would be best, with military veterans and current and veteran public service (law enforcement, fire response) gaining the right to vote and hold office, and strict intelligence requirements being placed on those individuals to gain the privilege to serve. Like someone on here said, nothing redpills like being in the military.

A democracy can work, I think, but people should not be able to vote for whatever they want. They should have to sweat and bleed for their right to vote.

All it takes is one bad/corrupt/degenerate leader and the system will slowly crumble. There is no such thing as a perfect system. The communists in the USSR did their best to kill religion, by imprisoning priests, demolishing churches, not teaching it in schools and so on, and yet it didn't die. The same thing will happen with leftism, even if you gas all the kikes,kill all the degenerates, hang all the race traitors, burn all the books, in a few generations reactionaries will always appear.

I hope you realize you look like a massive knuckledragging retard.

Fascism is sustainable.

Fascism has been successful every time it has been tried, right up until they are invaded by a conglomeration of (((capitalists))) and (((communists))) who cannot tolerate the existence of fascism.

Communism leads to collapse and starvation.

Democracy and Capitalism always lead to degeneracy, liberalism, pathological altruism towards 3'rd world mongrels, and then finally to communism. (see the path America is heading down, under the democrats)

Fascism is the ONLY sustainable system of government.

Not necessarily a bad thing; when the right things are being hunted.

Germany made the mistake of blaming all jews because a large number of marxists/communists happened to be jews.

The marxist/leftist was the true enemy, not the jew. There are right-wing jews, and at the height of fascism in Italy, a significant percentage of jews were fascists.

The left is the enemy of civilization. It despises strength. It despises prosperity. It places "equality" above all else, but as in nature; nothing is equal, so the strong and prosperous must be dragged down in the name of the false-god "equality." The left's love for the weak is a crime against nature's design.

To be honest, if you actually look at the policies put forward by all the presidential candidates, Trump is the one who is the closest to actual libertarian values. Actually I would argue that on many things even Hillary Clinton is more libertarian than fucking Gary Johnson and the 'Libertarian Party'.


However, those it doesnt redpill it turns into (often violent) sociopaths or broken people who end up homeless.

I personally like the idea of your vote being (at least to some extent) proportional to the amount of tax you pay, the ol' "Those who pay the bills make the rules" kind of deal.


False dichotomy.

[Citation Needed]

Unlike Communism or Democracy and Capitalism, Fascism hasn;t existed for more than a generation. How can you be so sure that after a certain number of generations it won't crumble just as well.

The only way to ensure that leftism won't appear again after the purge is to create an Orwellian nightmarish world in which the government controls the media and supervises the people to ensure that they don't become degenerates(preferably with cameras in the houses as well, you don't want them to do degenerate things in their bedrooms, now do you) and at the smallest wrong thinking they should be sent to the re-education camps. Tell me, is this truly the world you wish to live in?

What about the Libertarian Realist?

Aristocracies and certain republics (thinking Roman specifically) are essentially fascist, and while those worked longer than democracy or communism, they weren't infinitely sustainable.


This is essentially correct. You get one megalomaniac for a leader and suddenly you have a situation on your hands where large portions of the population are being killed simply because the leader doesn't like the way they smell (extreme example, but it holds true). There needs to be a system of checks and balances, and while large swathes of liberalism are harmful to society, a small amount of it keeps conservatives strong and morally focused. Something like a 98::2 conservative::liberal ratio would be sustainable in the long term - maybe even as high as a 95::5. That's the sort of ratios you get from people in public service. Military and police force tends to lean to the right, and fire tends to lean to the left, which is why basing the votes off of those people (or more specifically the veterans of those people) could be effective as a long term government.

How is that nightmarish? Forcing people to be good can only be good. I only believe in freedom to be good, not freedom to be a subhuman waste of life.

Contradiction in terms

Nero killed people who didn't clap at his plays.


Well congratulations, you are no better than the Social Justice Warriors.

This is extremely unlikely due to the culture that fascism fosters. It is essentially politicized masculinity. Like applying military structure to all of society. A bad leader can cause problems, but with fascism the populace is strong enough to withstand it.

Only if you don't believe in an absolute morality. SJWs want to enforce falseness and wrongness through totalitarian system. I want to enforce truth and correctness through totalitarian system. Only an autist (aka libertarian) could confuse the two.

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they were, jews overtake it like everything

harsh HAARPers will always bash the fash over hash


pretty much, do keep in mind Mussolini came upon the idea while dissatisfied with the left's "answer" to capitalism. Though technically he only named it, it nebulously existed in the Axis environmentalist movements since about the time of Arndt, in like 3 different relatable concepts


Technically that is also a form of fascism (a more Spartan sort.) Sounds like you might dig Heinlein if you ain't found him yet.

Nobody cares, faggot.

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I don't give two shits about "muh degeneracy"

I'm a fucking furfag.

Proudly white, and proudly fascist.

What I do care about is halting dysgenics, the elimination of forced-"equality," an end to the current practice of pandering to ungrateful minorities who demand special treatment to make up for their intellectual inadequacies, an end to making excuses for criminal behavior/consequences based on the color of the perp's skin, an end to the pathological altruism/tolerance towards a third world savage desert religion that is our declared enemy, and finally to put our culture & our nation FIRST.

You are right about one thing, though, it's the culture and how people behave that actually matters not the leaders. This is why I am a libertarian. The government shouldn't be the ones who impose the culture, it's the people that must do this. There are always going to be malicious individuals and the where they want to go is in the place of power which in a fascistic society is the head of state. In a libertarian society, yes there is a government but it can't really impose it's will on the people, just protect borders and other stuff and even if it let rapefugees, the people have all the rights to kill them if they invade their private properties. Do you really think that after the purge there won't be closet homosexuals and leftist still alive? Do you think that they won't subtly but surely blue-pill their children? Unless you constantly watch over everybody and send them to re-education camps the moment they say wrong things, leftism will spread and slowly and surely destroy your right-wing society.


Both you and SJW want to impose their way of thinking on the rest of the world and punish people for wrong thinking. Only a stormie(aka you) could not see this.
Your next post will be but they are on the wrong side of history.

Leftist ideology was synthesized by jews. If a guy sics his dog on you, you need to kill both the man and his pet.

Hell yeah. Did you grow of of /k/ikecentral too? They are such cowards and scum.

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Welcome to right-wing libertarianism.

Lolberturdians think that their concept of "freedom" is more important than the truth.
This is why I despite them. I remember one of those rats saying "What if we debunked the Holohoax? Then Fascism and National Socialism would be vindicated and everyone would just agree with eachother".
Pure fucking scum.

muh degeneracy tho

STOP.

We're already on to this tactic.

You belong here: >>>/OVEN/

The difference here lies in the fact that fascism lies closer to our nature, and therefore less coercion is needed.
An example would be the amount of manipulation that would be needed to get 50/50 male/female ratio in your EE department.
Accepting that there are natural differences between the sexes and accepting this would cause much less strife.

Another vote for Heinlein, I just finished starship troopers, can recommend it.

It is not even a good tactics. They openly admit they want to keep the Holohoax narrative. Just look at Stefan Moneyyid for example.
They know that the truth will makes Fascism and National Socialism the ONLY valid ideologies left in the world. The truth will destroy their fantasy land.
You dont need to post some truthful caricature to blow away their facade. Their own words are more than enough.

Watch at 12:20 for maximum mental gymnastic.

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Government controlled propaganda is necessary for the health of a nation, especially in times of war. Government control of all media is unnecessary, but should be guided to prevent degeneracy.


That sort of trash thinking is what has us in the mess we're in today. While society does play a role in whether or not a person is going to be good, most of those traits are inherited at birth. It's the reason that most* niggers gonna nig, regardless of how well life has treated them - it's genetic I would argue there is an extremely small percentage of the nigger population that is salvageable.


Where is your proof that a fascist population can withstand a poor leader? We have two examples of proper fascism that were both btfo by capitalist countries. The war was lost because Hitler made a bad decision. Every other near-fascist or right-leaning country (namely aristocracies) have fallen as well. There is nothing to suggest that true fascism is any different.


Whose truth and correctness? Yours? The state parties? If the US was a one party fascist state and that party was the Democrats who were enforcing multiculturalism, would you oppose that, because your statement says you wouldn't. "He who fights with monsters should be careful lest he thereby become a monster.
And if thou gaze long into an abyss, the abyss will also gaze into thee."


I love Heinlein and think that the government model in Starship Troopers creates a very workable starting point for a long-term sustainable government. It focuses on action, accountability, and civil service over the self serving interests of a full democracy. I think it falls outside the realm of fascism because it allows for the rise of multiple political parties, while still maintaining a conservative political base.


Thank god there some of the fascists chiming in on this thread have some goddamn sense.


If you're trespassing on his property, his dog should rip your fucking throat out.


The question I would pose is, do you think his political system is functional and how would you modify it to make it a long term solution?

There is only one truth. Go fuck yourself. I wont let my people be beaten down with lies again.

We can have both freedom and the truth. Which, I think is better than no freedom and the truth.


And yet, this user agrees that there needs to be a Big Daddy type government to stop leftism. Is he also a D&C shill or a SJW?


Why do you need a state to do all this stuff, when the state is the one that forces all this bullshit equality?


Steff has evolved a long since then, and even if that opinion hasn't changed, it doesn't mean that everything he says and does is wrong. Otherwise him supporting Donald Trump would mean that Trump is a kike puppet or some shit like that.

Are colorful bow ties a tell sign that men wearing them are closet gays?

Sure thing. In your fantasy world, based bolan can just block every single investigation because it is their property after all.


Steff has evolved a long since then, and even if that opinion hasn't changed, it doesn't mean that everything he says and does is wrong. Otherwise him supporting Donald Trump would mean that Trump is a kike puppet or some shit like that.
Nod an arbument.
The video hasnt been taken down means the yid still needs it to validate ALL of his viewpoints. He is a rat. You are all rats. You need lies to keep your fantasy alive. We dont. Therefore we are better than you. You should all die like shitskins.

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Funny how you criticize us for being oppressive but "muh NAP dont apply to commies" is 100% A OK. Thats quite a mental gymnastic you have there.

But at least you got to gas all the kikes.

I think some propaganda like "Uncle Sam needs you" can be beneficial, but I draw the line when propaganda needs to lie in order to manipulate the people into wanting to invade a country, otherwise we get stuff like "Osama Bin Laden has nukes in his fridge, we need to invade their country to take their oil disarm the nukes and install puppet leaders free the people.
I disagree on that point, though in the near future with the advent of the internet and stuff like Netflix, I don't think that commercials and current news stations will survive. People will just watch the movies they want whenever they want with no commercials and they can read any news outlet they want from The Daily Shoah to Huffingtom Post with adblock enabled.
The moment you give power to the government to censor and guide the media, it's the moment when bad people decide to go into politics.

Embarrassing.

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pretty much everyone is cucked now, except us

No it isn't. Our governments encourage people to be subhuman. It is exactly the opposite of what I was talking about.

All that is inherited is potential. Niggers don't have potential to be anything except niggers. Whites have potential beyond that, but if it isn't encouraged or nurtured you end up with what we see today. Obese blobs of worthless shit who should have their brains blown out. Libertarianism does nothing at all to encourage virtue. It encourages one thing, which is the ability to make money, which is also not correlated with virtue.

Absolute truths. You are autistic, so are literally a subhuman lifeform incapable of understanding them. You live in a world of syntax without semantics, without meaning, where all values are interchangeable variables in your false analogies. That's all libertarianism is.

I rest my case.

When it comes to the justice system, I am not 100% convinced that it should be privatised, but let's say that it is part of the free market. If I have proof that Bob has stolen my TV, I or rather the police should have the right to search in his house for signs of the TV. If they prove that Bob did steal it then he should give it back to me and maybe even pay a compensation. If not then maybe I should pay Bob some compensation, because I just ruined his day/schedule(maybe he had to go to his job, but couldn't because he had to stay with the police while they ransacked his house).

I am not like a marxist that has to agree with everything Marx said. There are things, I don't agree with Hoppe, or Steff, or Tom Woods and so on. I posted that video to make the distinction between right libertarianism and left libertarianism. Nowhere in the video(unless I am wrong) does he say about removing communists. I personally don't think that killing communists and lefties is the solution(and even so there are plenty of libertarians who want to kill them), unless they use force to impose their will upon me. However, I think people should discredit them and refuse to cooperate with them. Recently there was an article about how some niggers left some chinesse towns after the people treated them poorly and made fun of them, like holding their noses when they were in a lift with niggers. That is the sort of attitude libertarians need in order to stop leftists.

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The system as laid out in the book would need war, or the serious threat thereof to act as a filter. This way you
end up with people who have shown to be willing to place their society above their own live. In the book they can keep
expanding and fighting.
In peace time this filter would break down. Instead of the risk of paying with your life, sacrificing maybe 6 years or so
to service of some kind might be a solution.

The right wing jews can go in the oven last.

Kill yourself

Kill yourself
Every single one of (((you))) needs to die.

Fucking die.

So this is what a cuckchan invasion looks like.

Then you will fail, as all others have when they have been so utterly passive like yourself as to let the enemy invade them right under their noses.

Literally who?

Intelligence is amoral. That is the Jewish question in a nutshell. They are at least as intelligent as whites but have no morals.

Then you're a sitting duck, only acting in self defense will allow those that don't adhere to that dogma to commit injustice upon you eternally.

Except they already control everything. If you're in academia, you have to be careful to not say the wrong things or you're out.

Reported.

A decent idea, but it would backfire spectacularly if we didn't shoah every single jew first.

p.s. nice dubs

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Even if he made a "mistake", jews only consisted of about .6% of the German population in the 1930's. Even if hypothetically EVERY single jew was innocent, if he "killed" those .6% and made life dramatically better for 99.4% of the rest of Germany wouldn't that make him one of the best leaders of the past century?

Of course, seeing how decisively Germany was crushed by an alliance of virtually every country in the world, perhaps Hitler correctly identified his enemy as the international jew.

Thank fuck Holla Forums is starting to see Stefan for what he is.

An autistic AnCap degenerate.

Don't be a faggot D&C newfag. There is libertarianism and the co-opted elements.

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That's because they ARE white dummy. You did hit the nail on the head with lack of morals though. The difference between jews and whites isn't race, but cultural mores.

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you must be new here.


If we really want to take the gloves off and go for the win we will have to take some extreme measures. I suggest this course of action:

Did you even watch the "apology"? It was pretty much just a Segway for him to start talking about rapin' Bill.

ID: a7492d in need of immediate gassing.

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That's basically heinlein fascism

Libertarians look like lumbering lackadaisical liars leisurely lending lay, lately likening laudly laughingstocks.

ain't no witch hunts when you burn all the witches

Your narrow mindedness can not work. Humans require growth - in their countries, in their cultures, and throughout the species. And growth necessitates evolution. With your stagnant mindset humanity never would have pushed past being bush babies. Simply put, different truths exist for different cultures at different times.


Invasion of a country should only happen with the intention of utterly destroying its native population and annexing its land.


Agree


It's the other way around. Some humans become degenerate and spread that into the government which in turn forces that degeneracy on the rest of society, which will eventually accept it as a norm.

Studies of twins separated at birth show that even "social" traits like criminality have genetic predispositions. Whites with a predisposition toward criminality will most likely be criminals. Societies role is actually relatively small compared to genetics.Its why trumps children are all successful businessmen in their own right, and you're probably not.

I'm not a libertarian. The rest off your statement is based off of this false assumption, and is therefore false as well. That being said, you're the reason fascism could never work in the long run. You can't accept the fact that in such a system, things like the local constable killing a family because the father wouldn't allow the constable to sleep with his daughter become morally acceptable because that constable is part of the state party.

What's it like to be functionally retarded? Do you know you're retarded, or are you too retarded to know that there's something wrong with you? I suggest reading a book nigger.


The jew is only the enemy because they push these ideals, and have since time immemorial. If the jew didn't push such destructive philosophies, there would be little reason to hate them. If jews were nationalist isolationists who fully assimilated upon immigration, would you still hate them?


In the book, only military veterans gain the right to vote. I think the way to solve such a system would be to include other forms of public service, such as law enforcement and fire patrol to the list. It gives you a more consistent voting block. Longer service terms in times of peace would probably be an acceptable way to achieve a harmonious balance.


True, which is why I would never base a right to vote off of intelligence, but rather a strong commitment to community defined and refined by a voluntary public service requirement. That public service requirement should have a intelligence aptitude, not only so that we have a capable military and law enforcement, but also so that public servants are able to fully comprehend the motions that are put before them.


In that type of system, if you don't have jews, you'll have someone else trying to push an agenda that is detrimental to a harmonious, functioning nation. Only willing self sacrifice to a highly conservative entity can produce an individual who will vote for the good of society, rather than themselves. This is not unlike the idea of communism for the ruling class presented by Plato.


No. They are sandniggers through and through. Just because someone has white skin, it does not make them white see the slavs. Jews only appear white due to miscegenation, but in reality are of middle-eastern stock.


In his novel, he presents it as a fascist single party state, but in reality it would allow for a diversity of political parties to arise and therefor would not be a true fascist state, but something in between full democracy and fascism that should make a functional and long-term viable state.


Ideas are eternal and will eventually be rediscovered. Any form of government that desires long-term/permanent sustainability must be able to evolve to take in or discard these ideas in a way that promotes the health of society first and foremost.

The Enlightenment was a load of horseshit to begin with anyway. De Maistre was right.

Nobody is even making that claim. What is so hard for you natsocs to get about the fact that there are libertarians that care about race and borders? You can hurr durr about definitions all day long, but they obviously exist, and don't like socialism.

The Libertarian Party has been infested by cucks and faggots. That doesn't make all people who like limited government cucks and faggots.

libertarian justice is like libertarian environmental policy

Forgot my image

Fucking Republicans are providing all the ammunition on this stupid story.

This.

At least we've flushed out more of the traitors.

Not him but fuck yeah I did. Don't care for fascism either. Monarchy led by a warrior king is the only way in my mind.

No, American Paleoconservatism trumps those two ideologies hands down. Nothing beats non-interventionism with strong family and community ties, with a slighter weaker federal government when compared to the state governments. Further, I'll take the school voucher idea or private school initiatives any day over lousy public-funded schools.

That's what I don't get, fucking Libertarians have become a joke.
I'm seeing social justice, fucking diversity, the usual slingshot buzzwords suddenly infesting everything associated with the Libertarian party.

Gary Johnson is a great example of this, every time he opens his mouth he makes a contradiction with the supposed values he stands for.

Maximum Liberty Limited Government bullshit, they are no different than what we're seeing with the Democratic Party.

Trump is the last chance to stop the establishment from completely taking over, and here we got these educated fucks throwing a fit because he's politically incorrect.

Fuck them and fuck the Libertarian party.

Trump is the last chance to stop the South Africa style genocide of white Americans.

Who said there aren't? Did i? You're arguing in bad faith if that's what you limit it down to.

I don't have a problem solely with the faggot in the OP (that's not to say he isn't a cuck because he is) i know guys like Cantwell exist and i still have a problem with them. In other words, even before your supposed "infestation" i still considered it shit.

Read above, it's the ideology itself i have a problem with not necessarily the people who adhere to them in whatever way they express those beliefs and yes i do consider you people cucks, i'm only speaking for myself of course and not other NS.

What even is the point of libertarians being here or hating jews or any of that?

They should have no problem with what's going on in the world. Globalization is trotting along, borders are open, returns on the stock market are at an all-time high and governments are increasingly powerless to impose standards on their own economies; the transition from a labor-based economy to a capital-based one is basically completed. On top of that we have legalized sex and drug stuff coming down the tube as well.

So libertarians, why aren't you rejoicing right now? Isn't this everything you wanted? You're just white jews basically. People talk about how "Any political system can work well if you get the blood right" and that's a load of horseshit. Anyone with a modicum of knowledge can see that that's wrong. All you have to do is compare the keynesian economies of the 50s-70s to the libertarian (yes, free trade, open borders and financial deregulation are libertarian) economies of the 80s-present to see that it's a totally upside down, illiterate position for internet libertarians fucksticks who want to feel like they're part of populist backlash.

Once you're done posting helicopter memes, go ahead and read the book - Chile's Free-Market Miracle: A Second Look and come back and tell me how it's great because he "killed communists" (aka exploited indio peasants that wanted some dignity) and not the dystopic hellscape as envisioned by Jack London of foreign financiers smelting down the whole economy to make a few gold bars and using the power of the state to crush any resistance. Face it libertarians, you are the ultimate cucks for the NWO, even more so than liberal urbanite SWPLs

Libertarianism was overrun by liberals who want to be free from the obligation to signal about wealth inequality and "the little guy". Libertarianism espoused by people like Jeffrey Tucker, Cato and Reason is imminentily compatible with everything urban liberals love for a reason: Free trade, open borders, forced diversity and limitless tyranny under the guise private property (sorry man, deplatforming you was totally fair because muh private corporation did it ;^) ).
For their "rebellious" children there's left-libertarianism which nowadays is pretty much Antifa shit with some blathering about "freed markets", like the FinDom bitch Holla Forums doxed who also was involded in left-libertarian organisations. And the C4SS are a bunch of pedophiles.

The Founding Fathers were not shithead Libertarians. They did not believe in free trade. The federal government in their lifetime was mostly funded by tariffs.

how long ago was this bandcast made? Molyneux changed his political stance from post-modern Libertarianism to American Paleoconservatism.

To argue against something no one asked about, the reason why the numbers were necessary, was to denote the possible intention of the Nazis. If the number of jews killed in auschwitz were mere thousands as opposed to 3 or 4 million, then the reason for the deaths could be very different, for example, deaths from typhus rather than indiscriminate murder. Don't forget, there were partisans who battled the Germans and committed heinous atrocities as well regardless if they were italian, french, serb, pole, russian or jew.

First, open borders is an anarcho-capitalist thing, not a libertarian thing. America's founding principles, although perhaps not completely in line with modern libertarianism, is pretty damn representative. The US had borders, and had strict European, even strictly very specific types of European, immigration.

The constitution also granted congress the ability to create tariffs, which flies in the face of your idea of globalist free trade being inherent to libertarianism.

If you can't separate the ideologies behind libertarianism and anarch-capitalism, that's your problem man.

Lurk more fucking needs cancerous 4cuck

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Libertarianism isn't a political system based on trying to imitate early America, it's a Jewish cult designed to be the opposite of Communism.

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Actually, it is. Or early Rome if you want to refer to the ideas of our forefathers.

In either event, it essentially dealt with domestic issues through libertarianism, and foreign issues through nationalism.

Along with that came a bunch of compromises and details that left the door open for what we have today. Perhaps that is inevitable, but those ideas created some of the greatest civilizations the world has known. Both of which decayed into some of the greatest horrors the world has ever known.

Which means the question isn't what political system creates the greatest, wealthiest, and most free countries. That has been demonstrated multiple times throughout history at this point. The question becomes how do you stop the decay of great wealthy and free nations?

This is #NotAllCommies the post. You'll let them push their ideology, organize, etc. (in fact you'll encourage it in muh market place of ideas) but the second they've tried to push themselves on you is when they've done wrong. It's then that you'll play the offensive; but at that point you can't be sure if muh NAP will save you.
Libertarians (and classic liberals) always have and always will be playing the defensive. You'll give your enemies rights only to see them run over you, and you've rationalized it all the way through. It doesn't matter if not all commies will use force against you. Things don't happen in a vacuum; just because they aren't at any given time doesn't mean they won't use it against your special snowflake social system eventually. And just because all individuals in a group don't use force doesn't mean that collectively they don't pose a threat to your order.

I like how the closest thing to a likable figure you "fashy lolbergs" could come up with is a kike puppet who was installed by the CIA.

Yea, it's not because classical liberalism is foundationally fucked goy; some guys just made some mistakes along the way. Giving rights to your enemies under the guise of universalism is a good idea.

Isn't Jeffrey Tucker that fake ass Southerner trying to fill the stereotype when in all reality he's nothing more than some liberal faggot calling himself a libertarian?

Lolbergtarian here.
Fortunately, there are a few of us who aren't cucked ladibois. I once told a liberal that our constitution does not protect the rights of non-citizens. The ensuing tears were enough to irrigate a few acres of farmland.

Only white citizens deserve freedom. The rest can burn.

You know you're not saging properly right?


You're just doing patchwork on a faulty foundation to make your ideology not seem as cucked. If you were to actually follow the foundation of libertarianism (NAP) to its proper conclusion, borders wouldn't exist, selective rights only to certain groups wouldn't exist, etc.

Same.

In a nicer world I would be a libertarian still, but the saxon has learned to hate, and I won't stop hating until every kike, leftist, and shitskin are dead or begging for mercy

Libertarianism is presented that way because it is intended to appeal to Americans and be our version of Communism.

Liberalism didn't make France, it destroyed France. In the same way, when liberalism created America, it doomed Britain to irrelevancy and suicide.

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Being a purist almost never works out, and the NAP is only valid in a homogeneous nation of whites. Otherwise, chaos breaks out.

Write ethnic white protections into the constitution of the republic. Those protections would be the only ones that cannot be amended to be excluded. Implying that whites do not deserve liberty also implies that whites cannot be trusted with their own independence. While I am convinced that National Socialism would work, I have not seen any solutions to what would happen after the death of the benevolent dictator. Successors in these types of systems almost never live up to expectations.

I wasn't saging, I forgot to remove sage from the name field.

The Holohoax is an absolute lie. Im talking about that. Try harder.

Im cool with that. Monarchy, Fascism, National Socialism. All cool with me.

It's not being a purist, it's taking the axioms and presuppositions of libertarianism and seeing how they're internally inconsistent when logically concluded. I've always seen this 'purity spiral' argument without any examples, and usually it's an excuse to have no real principles.
How can the masses be trusted with individual independence if propaganda is so successful? You're assuming individuals are rational agents that always go after what's objectively in their self interest and their people's self interest. Look around you and you'll see proof that this isn't how humans operate. We're living at the conclusion of a libertarian paradise, where the same foundation originally used to give whites a libertarian society has been resolved into anarchy where all institutions are used to wage war by different means. Libertarianism simply opens up the society to subversion and it's never had the ability to go on the offensive.
Successors are chosen before death btw.

Even if you do follow the NAP to its proper conclusion, I do not see how that prevents a minarchy from enforcing borders. The government would be enforcing borders against non-citizens, who don't have rights, on behalf of the actual citizens. I don't want to get into "natural rights" because that's an entirely different discussion. Furthermore, I would argue that exceptions to an ideology (or just different assumptions) can be made if it benefits citizens living under said ideology. If you make the assumption that niggers aren't people (they aren't), then the issue relating the NAP protecting niggers is made void.

While I disagree that this is "the conclusion of a libertarian paradise," I do agree that there is the issue of subversion. To that I say gas the kikes. Are white people still capable of subverting the populace in support of their ideology? Yes, they are, but not with nearly the amount of subtlety that the kikes do it with.

Kikes have promoted throughout history a narrative of (((multiculturalism))) in order to simultaneously be accepted into that society, and become its rulers through its destruction. As far as I'm aware, whites have never promoted such a thing without prior subversion through kikery.

Essentially, a nationalist libertarian state relies on the racial purity of its people, just as a national socialist state would. Assuming the government is allowed to enact a race war against shitskin non-citizens according to constitutional guidelines (at risk of starting a d&c argument about racial purity, i won't specify what kind of threshold this would be), then I don't see the issue.

I will add that the only remaining issue would be one of the populace becoming sufficiently angry that the government is purging shitskins and revolting. That's simply an issue of propaganda and a possible fault of any system of government.

Polite sage.

Badass, this reads like HFY.

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To enforce the NAP we need a government to violate the NAP so that they have enough tax to enforce the NAP.
To the point about borders, if the government isn't allowing individual citizens (shitlibs) to open up their homes to migrants that's a violation of the NAP and their property rights.
And how does this kikery come about? Not in a vacuum, no. It's because individualism logically leads to #NotAllJews, in which case borders are oppressive policies against property rights of shitlibs and the rights of jews to subvert our nation.

not a christian, but
"A country has the Jews it deserves. Just as mosquitoes can thrive and settle
only in swamps, likewise the former can only thrive in the swamps of our
sins." –Corneliu Zelea Codreanu

Then why do we waste our time caring about the state of society when it is in fact irrelevant due to genetics? What difference does it make if degeneracy is promoted? If you're not genetically a degenerate, it doesn't matter.

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Thanks OP for sharing how stupid and useless you are

I realize it's an oxymoron (to an extent), I almost laughed when I typed that.

The NAP clearly isn't perfect, I don't think anyone except the most turbo of autists think that. Exceptions would have to be made.

As far as taxes go, an income tax should be largely unnecessary. If entitlement programs do not exist, bureaucracy does not to be funded, and military limited to defense, a decent sales tax should be sufficient.

Again, jews aren't people and do not have rights.

I'm not an ancap, the individual is sovereign but the kike still had to travel through public land to reach the shitlib's private land. Worst case scenario, the private land will be sieged by governmental kike gassing forces to gas the kikes hidden inside. If kikes aren't people, it isn't violating the NAP to gas them.

The issue of kike gassing forces encroaching on private land to gas kikes is kind of thorny though. I haven't exactly put a lot of thought into the specifics of HOW the kikes would be gassed in a system of government that doesn't exist.


At least sage then, you idiot. Besides, the only thing even happening in this thread is this discussion I'm having with user.

and still all the sheep can't see it's the will of the uniparty

Holla Forums isn't a fascist board and it isn't a NatSoc board. It's certainly friendly to those viewpoints (this place is one of the few forums where you can voice those opinions without getting banned) but that doesn't mean Holla Forums is a monolith.

get the fuck out

You niggers are fucking idiots.

The conflict between libertarianism and nationalism is irrelevant. This is something that can be discussed after control from the establishment is taken back. Nationalists and Libertarians can both agree that the current situation is shit and needs to be changed. There is an agreement on the most important, we should not argue about that what is less important but work towards common goal. Whichever version is right is up to discussion after things change for the better.

Every time I see a anti-libertarian thread it always ends with the same things. Libertarians and Nationalists flinging shit at each other and never reaching a conclusion. I bet there is a lot of libertarians and national-libertarians or classical liberals on Holla Forums, because there wouldn't be so many of them speaking out against threads like that. Even if you want to think that they are shills *which I do not believe At least, not all of them**, you must understand that making threads like this only enables them to do what they want.

This is nothing more than D&C shit.

Fucked up the spoilers, sorry for that

Saying all Jews are bad is as retarded as saying all whites are good. It's a statistical impossibility.

stop right the fuck now we've been dealing with these faggots for a few weeks now and they have nothing, nothing to support their ideology other than videos they themselves make and 5 year old blogspots

That's not the point. Taxes are a fundamental violation of your precious NAP
Nice rationalization faggot.


You're a moron if you think nationalists and lolbergs can be D&C'd. We already are divided, and if anything, hyper individualism has lead to the mess we're in currently. Libertarianism is not the cure, it's a catalyst for the cancer.

I was here before you.

were you now, (1)?
unless you're ip swapping which begs the question, why.

I don't know why my ID changed. If I was trying to be a deceptive samefag, I would've pretended to be somebody else.

this board on this chan was inhabited by natsoc/fascists getting away from the faggotry of lolbergism and co. from the beginning, it's only when moot started fucking with Holla Forums that deviations started here

There is friction because they are different ideologies. Whatever way the thread started, those that want to discuss things in good faith can always do so as long as they can tolerate some people calling them faggots which is standard for chans.

You want another poll, bitch?
poal.me/mtzfjw

You are welcome to host one right now. But I know you wont. Facts dont matter to you fucks.

reminder that jews managed to subvert your ideology

You should be able to tell where i'm going with this.

Which is?

You TRS faggots with your "let the chips fall where they may as long as it is white" attitude is pure cancer.

Kek

We're already divided! Wake up! As for coming together for common goals, i'm not necessarily completely opposed to it but you will do well to remember we will have our Night of the Long Knives.

What the fuck is this supposed to mean?


I assume he means on race/borders. Those are not mainstream libertarians, but I'll concede those are the most likely to come to Holla Forums.

But to his credit he did kill communists, drug dealers, and criminals.

It was before the rise and fall of the ancap meme.
You are welcome to make another poll.

Portions of the holocaust are a lie and portions are true.

Do you deny the fact that jews went to labor camps? Do you deny that some, or even many, of them died there for whatever reason? Despite the fact that they died of typhus, instead of gas, or that it was 600,000 instead of 6,000,000 they were still there and they still died. That still makes part of the story true and stands with my "no absolutes" statement. Most importantly, it still doesn't make The Reich incorrect in their actions.


True, but I think you'll find that many people ARE naturally prone to degeneracy, when left to our own devices. In the past, that degeneracy was just easier to hide because of difficulty of travel. Society exists to keep populations orderly, keep degeneracy from becoming normalized (even if it is common), and provide a devils advocate against degeneracy for those who actually try and fight their inner nature.

Progressives say the current situation is good and changing for the better.

There is no "portion"
There was no gas chamber in action.
There was no burnt offering.
By absolute truth and definition, the Holocaust does not exist. Fuck off.

“Holocaust” means “the genocide of kikes”.

Didn’t happen. There was no holocaust. Rounding people up isn’t a holocaust. Interning them isn’t a holocaust. Making them work isn’t a holocaust.

Hillary rather than Bernie being the Democrat nominee and the Green Party polling in at 2% says otherwise, not that i'm advocating them to succeed.

I've had a 6mo old sleeping on my arm for the past two hours, and I'm typing one handed and trying not to make spelling/grammatical errors. You'll forgive me for not saying "the holocaust myth" or something similar. It doesn't make the reasoning of my statement less true - don't be that person.

Why is it so hard for people to understand that the Holocaust never happened, but it should have?

How many times does it have to be explained to you?

Every single fucking time, all you guys bring up are YOUR definitions of libertarianism, and how libertarians are identical to ancaps, and therefore must base everything around the NAP.

The NAP is the axiom of ancaps.
The NAP is not the fucking axiom of libertarians, especially not of libertarian nationalists.

Libertarian nationalism is the fucking DOMESTIC policy of libertarianism aka limited government aka minarchism. With a FOREIGN policy of nationalism.

That is what prevents free movement and infiltration, supported by taxes.

The last thread we had on this, you natsocs completely gave up trying to fucking argue that national libertarianism was contradictory, and instead started spouting off about how great the ((( social contract ))) was.

I think it's gotten to the point where instead of continually bashing you people when you bring up the idiocy of nationalism and libertarianism being self-contradictory, we just start calling you shills.

It's one thing to not like the idea of national libertarianism. That's fine. That's a discussion. But to just refuse to accept that an ideology exists because of the NAP which isn't even part of the discussion, is pure kike-mode.

Tucker is a sexual predator that found a niche to find easy poon.

Why do you delusional retards keep coming here?

> I want the gun control supporters to fucking pray in vain for weapons in hopes of being able to defend themselves.

FTFY

We weren't arguing and it wasn't D&C, I would have been fine with it if the thread was bumplocked.


Nigga, the only one screaming
is you, chill.


Thank you user.
All i wanted was a discussion tbh. It's not like I even made my own thread to discuss this.

Forgot to add, other than it being D&C, I agree. The reason I'm here is because we want the same thing, the only difference is what comes after.

Polite sage

oh look are you the faggot that was shilling your videos?

Kind of like what the kikes did with Naziism and Fascism, youth nowadays are slowly starting to rediscover and embrace those ideals.

Leave and never come back

Implying there is any fucking difference

I'm an autist with no friends, but I want to join the invite-only TRS forum. Can an user hook me up?


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So what's libertarianism's axiom then? You just defined the means not the foundation.

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Make more white babies Holla Forums.

since the poll doesn't work (all it says is "nip" lol is my vpn jap?) droppin' some oldschool Rob.


That's still an f, though, it's just a little f. Mussolini looked into ancient Greco-Roman society to fill out the holes left by Haeckel, Arndt, Riehl, and Lehman after all.
Also on the jew thing, it's a literal teaching of the talmud, iirc there were 150k or so fully assimilated into the wehrmacht, if you can get them to go that route then it's likely other jews would no longer consider them "true jews." Lotta fuzziness to work out there. You have to win and actually reclaim your country first to get them to come out openly though.
The shortest explanation would be that neither they nor Mohammedans saw any reason to try and "reform" their religions to keep up with technology and society the way the Vatican did with its various Councils, so both religions remain incompatible with others not part of their tribe. Judaism still exists in pre-christ times, and Islam stopped advancing in the 12th century.

Also I'd put down for not including teaching as "civil service" because nowadays people look at that as a 'free ride career' and don't treat it seriously. You'd get loads of dyehaired idiots becoming teachers to get out of doing hard work.
No amount of controls and investigations would improve it, it'd only improve how they hide it. Because it's still the easiest of all choices.
Probably only being a literal scholar/scribe sort would work, entrusted to find/obtain/preserve/spread information, aka, "being a Holla Forumsack with tenure" as that takes a lot of work (especially the kind the legit hard-nosed commies get into, traveling all around south America trying to upend the Clinton/Bush/Kissinger empire)
May even be a good idea to throw a couple opposition eco-geek people into it, keep your own guys on the straight and narrow.

Why not adopt township measures. It consists of Three Trustees……….

The foundation of libertarianism for many years before ancap philosophies ever became popularized is that government is inherently an evil force that can only accomplish it's goals by theft, coercion, and force. Unfortunately, there are certain functions that the free market cannot or has not shown to be able to accomplish. In these areas, government should be allowed to exist and be funded by the least invasive form possible.

Due to the nature of subjective value of some things, this leaves room for debate as to what constitutes a necessary role for government, as well as what form of taxation would be considered least invasion. That is why there are so many wings of libertarianism. Libertarianism is an overarching term that encompasses different ideologies.

Which is why natsocs keep shooting themselves in the foot when they come out and lambaste against libertarian nationalists as "lolbergs" They keep seeing the Jeffery Tuckers of the world and keep envisioning all libertarians as a bunch of "dude weed" faggots. When in reality, natsocs have heavily influenced the current wing of people referring to themselves as libertarian nationalists.

You can make an argument that LNs don't hold the same philosophical views about the nature of the state as NatSocs, and this creates this huge divide ideologically. But pragmatically, their goals are very similar up to the point where you start talking about socialized state run schools and hospitals and such.

For example, take the issue of trade and manufacturing jobs. The instantaneous idea that most natsocs seem to have, is that all libertarians would be for global free trade. Where as NLs might say that free trade within the nation is important, and therefore we shouldn't regulate or subsidize industries as it gives larger corporations advantages over small business owners. On that same token, we ought to tariff goods from China, because their currency manipulation gives an unfair advantage over American businesses.

Kind of a: If we have the power to control the economic factors, we shouldn't attempt to control it, as it destroys the natural equilibrium, and always in a way that hurts the little guy.

If we don't have the power to control the economic factors and somebody else is, we ought to modify it on our end in a way that we best feel will restore the economic equilibrium.

This doesn't interfere with the basic tenants of libertarianism, because you are still acting in a libertarian manner over the boundaries that you can control. In other words, you aren't stealing, coercing, or using force against businesses within your nation. Only where the market fails to maintain a level playing field, such as where another nation is subsidizing the production of it's goods, or manipulating it's currency, or using slave labor. Only then does the government step up where the market cannot or will not, and start using theft, coercion, and force.

There's a third who have decided that helicopter rides and closed borders are a necessity before they can try their special snowflake ideology.

Are you surprised? Didn't you notice the reddit spacing?

But Hitler repealed the Weimar gun control laws.

NatSoc is pro-gun.

This. Even in societies where degeneracy is common, it can't be allowed to be accepted. That's a big logical hole that progtards love to jump into. They adore sniffling through past era's especially the victorian era, and rooting out examples of sexual deviancy to show that it was actually very common guys and that means we should embrace it unconditionally. They try to equate their degenerate, diseased and mentally ill selves with, say, some upper-middle class woman who occasionally read a bit of light pornography with her husband.

You've obviously thought about this a bit more than I have, that was a very concise explanation.

Capped for posperity.

Posterity*
Kms

>The foundation of libertarianism for many years before ancap philosophies ever became popularized is that government is inherently an evil force that can only accomplish it's goals by theft, coercion, and force.
Congratulations, you just described the NAP in reverse. In other words, the basis of libertarianism is that the government is a violation of the NAP. This is functionally equivalent to the axiom of ancap.
Other than taxation.
In what way are these against the axioms of libertarianism? If they aren't, then there's no imperative for the government to do something about it. And again, when it does, it must use theft, coercion, and force, which under libertarianism are absolute evils.

Here's the difficulty with libertarianism: it has unavoidable 'necessary evils', and whenever such things exist in an ideology, it's depictive of internal inconsistencies. In one breath you say that the government is absolutely and inherently evil, and that it's necessary to the extent that evil doesn't exist.

*evil doesn't exist in your society

This.

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If Trump isn't elected there will be blood and it won't be ours.

We are actually being nice in providing a candidate like Trump, who actually is a really nice man who'll peacefully MAGA.

Look at these cucks on stage, do they really think they can control us? Do they really think we'll meet our end to the rag niggers they bring in to conqueror us?

I'm shocked.