Premarital sex statistics

Let's talk about the degeneracy of slutting it up vs one partner. Bonus: stronk independent wymonz vs homemakers.

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It destroys the stability of future relationships and inhibits the bonding ability of women

I don't have much, but i am interested. Even though you are a shit op.

How about making an OP that's worth reading then, you low energy cuckold

fuck. i always wanted to break it up with my gf who had previous sexual relations. (2 and they were her exes but still)
should i Holla Forums? i fucked it up by prolonging it for 3 years. cant leave a broad who can cook great meals

You should fellate a gun

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you have no idea how many times i wanted to

Statistics that other people in this thread provide insight into general population, i.e. "if you pick random women who had X number of sexual partners how likely it is for your marriage to succeed".
You should not apply this info to make your decision but you should collect specific information about her to make decision because she might be one of those 'marriage material' women from 'had 2 non-martial sex partners' group.

In b4 "women are supposed to save themselves for their husband, but it's natural for men to fuck everyone they can."

These threads always get derailed by bitter neets.

Rid yourself from this earth faggot

Fuck this fucking site.

How about everyone should save themselves for a better marriage? I'm not a neet or bitter at all.

In regards to that picture. Feminism is the Female version of MGTOW.

I was fortunate enough for my gf to have been a virgin, and I honestly don't know if I would have continued the relationship this long if she had another partner. Just to think that some other asshole was putting his dick in her and seeing her naked makes me barf. The hands that I hold or the lips that I kiss being at one point wrapped around another man's cock. It's extremely uncomfortable and I'm sure it's supposed to be.

It's up to you, user, but again, I was very lucky. I can absolutely understand what's running in your head, but at the same time, unless you manage to find a virgin, the alternative might be worse. I'd look at your girlfriend's attitude towards sex before making a decision. Does she treat it like mindless fun? Or does she treat it like it has value to it?

Men are natural sluts. They are hardwirde to be STD infested rabbit sluts.

Don't do it based on statistics… but make your decisions quickly.

My gf had a couple partners before me but she's fine now (just took a little work to undo the liberal mindset).

Whatever you do ignore this dumbass

These statistics hold true unless you have a situation that is not general. For example, if after only a year or two on the dock carousel she found jesus and realized she doesn't want to be a skank and took a vow of chasisty after or something. That would apply, other than that you taking a gamble and don't you fucking forget it. You are not an exception to the rule, if you think you are, you're going to end up like every other marriage ending in heart break and divorce. Everything thinks they are not the failing part of that statistic until it is too late. If you think the risk is worth it, take it, but don't start bitching when you fail.

Absolutely. No hymen no diamond. If she's had a dick in her before yours, she has no value and deserves to die childless and alone as punishment.

Guys please I need you to weigh in on a dilemma:

Option A:


Option B:

I myself am a British/Norwegian mix and ideally want to get back to one of the above in my mate. However I also recognize how rare my situation is in these days, but I also don't want to sell myself short and settle.

There's not even a competition to be had here. Obviously A.

B.

A sounds like a Nutter, and nutty Ivan clams are amongst the worst.

Whatever. We need to increase our birth rates.

Quality > Quantity

If the fertility rate only goes up thanks to nigger-tier behavior, it will produce broken children raised by single moms and be completely worthless.

A. She sounds like she's not too Asian, kids should be indistinguishable from other white kids.

Inb4 neet virgins bitch about mongrels

My father died so i was raised by my mother, and i'm not "broken" or "worthless". But still, i guess the nuclear family is better. A family should have 4 to 7 children at least to compete with the current white genocide.

A

You fucking faggot, single moms means women who divorce for the hell of it, not widows.

Are you serious? Blonde hair can always be bred back, and it sounds like she already has some ee light hair genes.

Even breeding with a full black haired white will give you a brown haired kid, nothing will erase your blonde genes.

NO HYMEN NO DIAMOND

Option C

We're really not in any position to be racemixing with our numbers so low and our homelands drowning in muslims

that's why I said east aryan

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fucking kill yourself, race-mixing weebshits

Nice D&C

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Hapas are not white, racemixing scum

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non-whites are not our allies and never will be, you fucking weebtrash. "d&c" doesn't apply to non-whites. blow your brains out

What's the point of having a waifu then? Muh dik is just trashy, hedonistic and meaningless.

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Daily reminder that East Asians aren't white and race mixing is wrong. Besides, any nationalist Jap worth her salt won't take a white guy. Seriously, guys, I know our women are shit but the solution isn't fucking nips.

Just, like, make white babbies.


"no kids" is also a hard sell to nationalist nip women.


You're objectively not helping

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It's called companionship, faggots. I didn't say anything about having a bitch just for a wet hole to fuck.

I guess we're just memes here. Carry on then. If a goon stops by tell him I said hi.

I want that anchovy on my pizza

Idiot.

You're human garbage.

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While I agree we're number fucking one, you need to take a breather and step away from Holla Forums from time to time. Sure, we can genocide all of africa at some point, but making an enemy of literally every other race (besides jews, they need to go) is retarded, and so are you for getting so mad about like, what, 4 anons shitposting. Fucking blatantly shitposting at that.

Get your head checked and stop prizing your life on something that won't even work in in lengthy eventuality, or be cast aside like the SA.

A waifu is for children, and sex is only for procreation. You shouldn't waste both your seed and ruin a woman of our dying East Aryan brothers if you're not going to start a family with her.

I want moishe to leave

i'm sorry chaim but all cosmopolitan cities and multuculturan nations must go

What are you even saying to me? how is this relevant to what I said?

Also notice these weebs cant post anything but anime or women with loads of make up, dyed hair, plastic surgery and other degenerate garbage. You honourary niggers are the same as fags who try to justify their degenerate fetishes.

What are you talking about? First of all, the hair of anime girls is not dyed and second none of the other shit you mentioned is even in anime.

All non-whites must eventually be exterminated for white colonisation. This should be our ultimate goal.

damn you cuckchan rapefugees

You sound upset.


A waifu is your soul mate. Companionship. Children are optional. I hope to find an infertile east aryan.

How many more proxies do you have until the mods get rid of you for good?

Okay, so you’ll have to get her genetically tested to make sure she’s PUREBLOOD Jōmon.

Otherwise forget it.

Sex for non reproductionary purposes is degenerate user.

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Where do you think we are, you degenerate sack of shit? Reported for spam.

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Jomon are extremely aggressive 97 IQ blyat tier people like Russians. The stabilized mix of High IQ, behaved and autistically hardworking Yayoi ants and high test, aggressive and creative Jomon is what makes Japanese the master race of Asia.

Racemixing may be bad initially with unknown consequences for offspring, but over thousands of years natural selection takes course and the best traits of both populations eventually combine, which is what makes them very distinct from chinks or gooks.

You're an embarrassment.

This is why no one likes you 4cuck weebshits.

Lol but y you mad tho?

oh I am laffin.

Why do weebs have to ruin every fucking thread they come into?

Yes, you are seething with rage.

I'm using sage because my posts are not relevant to the OP

You're full of impotent anger because the only power you have in life is to LARP on a chinese cartoon website.

Holla Forums is not an anime website. You are like kikes. You know you don't belong here, so you're always on the defensive about your degenerate activities.

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Serious question; how do you not get bothered by a girls sexual history?

I'm not a virgin myself, I've been with one girl who at the time lied about her history and said she'd only been with one guy before. It kinda bothered me then but when I found out from her own later admission that she had numerous random encounters that she couldn't remember and that she cheated on me, I got so disgusted that I have since had trouble accepting a girls past. Especially considering all the gross shit my ex wanted me to do that I declined. Back then I just ignored it or didn't think about it but thinking about her doing shit that I don't even want to do with another guy brings back that sick feeling again.

How do I not get bothered by it? Or better yet, how do I find a girl who isn't into that kind of shit and has a non degenerate sex drive?

What are you going to do then, user? Put on the tough internet guy act?

Even if I were to concede that Holla Forums is an anime site (it isn't), each board has it's own individual culture. Anime is not a tenant of Holla Forums. All you do is turn every thread into shit.

sad tbh

Why don't you do something about it then, user? Or are you just full of harmless words?

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Anti-anime is codeword for anti-white. You had no point to begin with.

The fuck is there to talk about? Stronk womyn is a miserable wretched wreck and homemakers think the grass is greener on the other side.

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What are you even talking about? All that anime has fried whatever 4 brain cells you once had.

*not

When you can accomplish anything in real life outside of spewing memes and armchair slacktivism on the internet, maybe then you will be a threat to anyone but that bag of doritos.

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the irony is palable

What have you accomplished besides something as low effort required as casting a vote?

my sides can't handle it

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Ooga booga

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I almost feel bad enough for you right now to leave out one of the forward slashes on Holla Forums so you can attack me for it.

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forgot my smug

This seems like the relevent thread to ask,

Is it racemixing if i'm white and the grill is hispanic?

Shitpost-kun you need to step up your game.

yes

I am Holla Forums.

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How does it feel paying 10bux to shitpost with SJW retards, goon?

You need to step up your game!

Reported.

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who could be behind this post

also if you're going to post traps at least don't post such ass-ugly ones

Why is this thread full of moontoons?

Weebkike infestation.

JUST POINT AT HIM AND LAUGH

Reported.

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Reported.

read chateau heartiste

See your game?
Do you see it?
If you see it, you need to step it up!

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Anti-White kikes BTFO

sage

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Sage negated

Reported.

sage

Also reported again for proving you’re an off-site shill.

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Says the goon who's triggered by anime.

lol sage

sage

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Want to know how I know you’re not from around here?

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sage

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sage

bump

NO HYMEN NO DIAMOND DEUS VULT TBH FAM

Good god, you all need to go find a good strong rope to hang yourselves and save us the trouble. Remember that anime/manga is for Japanese children and severely autistic American adults. Take this retarded gook and chink show back to /a/ and Holla Forums where it should stay.

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i try not to think about it and think of the good memories we have

lol cuk

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How many people are going to bother 20+ years of raising a white kid if % wise he is likely likely to hate you after mom turns him against you in divorce and to end up as a bernie sanders voter and preacher of white guilt?

while racemixing is no solution, censoring the asian optionis to, subliminally, pass anti breeding propaganda. a male mentally ready to have kids with an east female can turn to have kids with a western one should a decent woman appear.

a male not willing to have kids with an eastern female won't be willing to kids with a western female either.

this is how you sound

I won't have a child with any eastern (brown) woman.

I will have children with a western (white) woman.

So you've been proved wrong.

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you don't get it. That's the mindset of boomers generation to fix things.

If our grandchildren generation starts rebelling against parents by racemixing and easily caught by propaganda (might not even be dominant one, see 60s and jimmy hendrix) then your genetic pool will be in danger again.

Your thinking while much better than current society, has as a vulnerability exactly the same flaw that allowed the 50s society to get subverted into mass race mixing.

I say there should be learned what causes kids to seriously want to racemix, rather than just assume your kid will be redpilled. They may go full hipster just to rebel.

Meanwhile, since white woman are intimidating with the power they have with State, you have legions of young white males not mentally preparing themselves for fatherhood because of obsessing with blood purity, while white women get fucked by niggers.

tl;dr - anti paternity thinking is a double edged knife and regardless of intentions can attack either you or your children/grandchildren.

Do you think Rick Wilson, proud Republican who had White Kids, was expecting to have a Black Grandson?

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1) asian women are palid, not brown
2) I know it's not pleasant to know white women are fucking niggers while you masturbate, but it's true, it's even on moonman lyrics.

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If I ever find out otherwise I'm going to beat the fuck out of her

I want to fuck anchovy.

lol how can you pop your cherry masturbating. unless of course she used a dildo

A girl can break her hymen doing any vigorous physical activity. Including sports.

Or… masturbating.

Good on you user. You owe it to yourself. If you find out that she was not a virgin before being with you, beat her and then break up immediately.

Does "I love you" mean anything when it comes from a mouth that's had pork swords shoved down it?

dick sucking is for heathens.

Good luck ignoring human nature.
Women find virginal men to be creepy disgusting. You will not find a bride as a virgin. Even "good" girls want a man with experience.
Post-wall harpies who become born-again virgins, join a church etc (e.g 'wife with a purpose') will claim otherwise because they are not interested in having sex with you, only in securing your money to fund their family project.

Reminder over 40% of Japanese are virgins thanks to feminism and modernity.

i spend way too much time watching anime and im an ugly piece of shit and even im not a virgin

theres a joke that if you crash into a car and the driver of the car was a girl and she was a virgin the impact could break her hymen
so technically its rape or sexual assault of sorts

Bitter neet detected.

By your very logic, I could say "Women will never find a good husband as a virgin. Men want someone with experience. Men want a hell of a fuck, they don't want someone who can't get them off after blowing them for 25 minutes, men want someone who can get the job done, with the performance of a porn star." Except no; dependable, marriable, family men don't want a woman who's been around town, and likewise, dependable, marriable, family women don't want men who have been around town.

Your "post-wall harpies, born-again virgins, not interested in having sex, wanting your money" line makes it very clear that you spent your time trying to find women in the "hookup scene", and now that you've fucked your way through town, you can't manage to keep the attention of a dependable, marriable, family woman. Either that, or you're a kissless neet. Either way, your post is shit.

Except that's true. It's virtuous and good for our race for a man to do so. A strong man takes many wives. But he does not tolerate a promiscuous woman because he risks being cuckolded and investing his time and effort in raising another man's child.

Now, you could argue that a monogamous system encourages a prosperous civilization because even beta males are rewarded with a wife. But be aware that by allowing betas to reproduce, their passive genes that made them more "civilizable" will propagate.

Don't for one second think you're some sort of exception to the rule. Everyone that fucks around erodes their ability to bond and feel platonic love. Just because this effect is much more pronounced in women does not mean it doesn't apply to you as well.

Be the change you want to see in the world. You talk as if you're alpha for being a manwhore, but all you really are is autistic. Only an autist can be socially stunted enough to not comprehend how his actions affect everyone around him. The reason why so many women are indistinguishable from prostitutes today is because this is what men want from them. We are the ones who set the standards for everything else. The men of today do not demand pure, loving, virginal childbearing wives anymore, they demand the sluts, filth and promiscuity they see on porn-hub and popular media. These degenerate sexual addicts who are only interested in their dick set the standard for society as a whole. Women can only adapt to the standards of the society they're in. You erode the moral of both yourself and society, then have the hubris to demand pure woman.

By being a "muh dik muhfugga" nigger, you're not only wasting your seed and on dirty mindless hedonism, but also destroying impressionable young women for life and hurting your entire race. By not keeping your dick in your pants, you are worse than a drug addict, because your pleasure is derived out of defiling and ruining your own women. You are just as bad as a Jew. Consider suicide.


Ahmed please go.

These beta traits are a good thing faggot. They are the sign of civilization. They are the product of not being barbarians and they are the traits that will allow the white man to conquor the universe.

The plebs need good leadership though, and the social engineers need to not be jews and plan society into a productive, virtues system.

Checked

A man can bang the sluts who will never be anything but sluts while caring for and being in a long-term relationship with a pure(r) woman.


How has encouraging beta traits worked out so far? Looks to me like the white man is getting cucked by more "barbaric" races everywhere you look. Rewarding beta males for being beta is a good way to breed generations of faggots.

just 2, and she was in relationships with them at the time?

in (((modern America))) that's a lucky catch.

You're setting a bad example to society. Promiscuity, sex without marriage, sex without procreation, adultery and hedonism. Women are a reflection of society, and if this is the filth and depravity you promote, this is what women will become. They will accommodate society and become those whores that are desired within it. This is what we mean by degeneracy.

You will not care for her because as a sex addict you will not be satisfied with love and a inexperienced prude, you will instead just want to stick your dick in the wet holes of strangers. Look at the graph, genius. Promiscuous men lose their ability to bond too. Sex is supposed to be a special ritual of procreation you share with your significant other, not a depraved dopamine hit where you relieve yourself in dirty STD whores.

If you want a virgin bride you better be a virgin groom

as long as she hasn't fucked more people than you have then it will work

We were always plagued by cucks!

Are you seriously trying to say a woman would find a man's virginity attractive?

Obviously A.
Pump out an army of asiatic soldiers that will corrective rape German feminists at the reeducation camps.

This is true but widows get into worse financial conditions since there is no alimony/child support from their dead husbands for them. My respect goes to those women who manage to raise their children right.

I ain't even Nordic. This is a no brainer.

This. The world can always use more finns.

Not everyone loses his virginity with hookers, so there are cases where women are attracted to virgins (although age matters).

Hitler was wrong. Racemixing with east asians is not okay. You're no better than a nigger to try to get a east asian woman to love you since they exoticize you like how Euro girls do with niggers. You're basically signalling your worthlessness as a male (niggerness) if you resort to using your dick to get a lady.

Amazing, isn't it? If anything, the women were the ones propagating cuck genes. Just goes to show how loyal they were back when adultery and promiscuity were shunned by society.

killyourself

Monogamy is a positive evolutionary trait. The disease exposure risk minimization is hugely important

Hitler wasn't wrong, the "east aryan" reference wasn't about racemixing, it was a gesture to the Japanese to join the Tripartite Pact.

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It is but liberals can counter that easily with muh condoms.

Monogamy is a positive evolutionary psychology trait. The stress exposure risk minimization is hugely important

If they have the (admittedly cute) epicanthic fold then it's racemixing. Get over yourself, and stop relying on something you can't control to get a lady. I literally see it every day since I'm stuck in a university. Black men just encroaching on every other race to get access to slutty size queen whores. I pray those women all die off or learn their lessons.

What I'm saying is about ethics, which was the whole point of not being degenerate

Tell me about it. Did you know there is only one manufacturer of female chastity belts that comes with an actual secure lock? Literally all the belts I found online for my girlfriend to wear had just fucking padlocks that can easily just be picked off and put back on, I found only one company that makes serious belts for women with a 7 pin radial lock. No way to get it off now without visibly damaging the belt. What I found instead of secure belts for women though is secure belts for men. I have no delusion that we live among willing cucks. Most of the shit I found was advertised was for men, even when I searched specifically for female belts I still ended up on sites selling shit only to men. Fucking degenerate femdom sex addicted subhumans. I hate fetishists so goddamn much. They find ways around tainting and dirtying even the purest and most non-degenerate of things.

The hard part will be getting her to wear that.

This is the cuckchan exodus.

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Filtered and reported.

I want to call you a fucking faggot and tell you to kill yourself but that's not strong enough.

Reported for obvious kike.

You can buy keys for those everywhere, vending machines and ATMs use the six pin variant.

And that's your idea of a 10/10
wew lad I bet you think (((models))) are hot.

10/10 bait user
But seriously, you're talking to the ultimate fetishists here.
We deal in handholding.
We deal in loving nips at the neck.
We truly mean until death do us part.
We Have Consensual Sex In The Missionary Position For The Sole Purpose Of Procreating

You have no power here.

So if you apparently can get a key for these, how come you can't get keys for vending machines or ATMs?

Sex with my wife (we took each others virginity) got better right up to the relationship going to hell.

I had a fling after that, she decided to start sleeping around instead of just one on one FWB, was probably a little too extreme for my taste.

My LTR after that, was one on one (except for when we were broken up) and it got absolutely amazing.

I had a short but intense thing with a polyamorous girl, she was a fucking succubus in the hottest way but what seemed like level headedness turned out to be a lot of REEEEEEEEeeeeee

Condoms don't minimize the risk to a greater extent. In the age of condoms STDs have gone up not down. Monogamy still #1

I really don't see a problem with women who have had sex while in committed relationships. It's one night stands and 'fuckbuddies' that are the problem, both for men and for women.

vid related.


BETAS

Reported.

and this is a counter argument to monogamy, as male instinct and biological theory always endorses polygamy as a way to further superior genes across multiple generations. Take your faggot larping somewhere else.

There is no such counterargument; monogamy is a positive evolutionary trait.

Relationships might end though, and virginity is something you can't get back. You shouldn't have sex outside of marriage and without the purpose of procreation anyway.

You will never experience the sheer bliss of Platonic love.

Reminder that you are filtered.


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Read the Republic and Symposium, and get back to me, bud.

You should report yourself for being a fucking faggot. Jesus, what is it lately around here? cuckchan already building bridge heads for future invasion?


No. At least not in the stages of civilization we're in. In an alternate reality, where Germany won WWII this may be true, but not in chaotic times like ours.

into the oven Holla Forums

Just because the concept originated from him doesn't mean the definition and context of it hasn't changed in thousands of years.

en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Platonic_love

Porn spammer shill is in the feminism thread too

porn spammer is just following the BETA rats.

The soul-stirring is so wondrous. Humanity cannot compare.

I don't care about virginity. I only care that a prospective partner didn't go around having casual sex, because that is degenerate. I don't think having sex with someone you love and commit to is bad, though.
Anyone who gets married in 2016 is an absolute idiot, and having children is immoral.

>taking a shitpost seriously

On a serious note, I find it more fulfilling to align baseness with one's will as opposed to rejecting it whole cloth.

fuck off, anime posting keeps normies out. take the hint

One (((they))) want to destroy and make the goyim rejoice their doom, since (((they)) always end up with tons of shekels and morally/ethnically devastated cattle of goyim.
Did anyone managed to realize that (((their))) concept of freedom always make us more dependent, easy to control and disorganized ?
Theirs always a catch and the next generation

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The asexual bit appears like a very modern spin when it means "never having sexual relations" but it may also be referring to a love for something beyond the material plane which you obviously can't have sex with in the typical way. The way I experience it is as a deeply romantic adoration for one's eternal companion, something so strong that it can be felt and remembered via art. That is because the art takes the form of the inspiration (or soul) which one loves dearly. A sexual aspect has to become more Tantric and internalized, something aiming not to orgasm as is the base desire of the animal but to please one another intimately for an extended period of time, usually not even ending with orgasm. I suppose it's a sacrificial ritual to separate oneself from animal baseness/now tainted blood of the once Hyperborean man and to rise to the realm of gods and heroes by affirming one's love for the ethereal Beloved.

I mean ejaculation.

If anything though, the material or base variant of love is a physical manifestation of the eternal essence of love, which is a reconciliation of gendered polarity, wherein, through this process, a higher order whole is created; physically, a family, metaphysically, reality (see Timaeus). I'd make the contention that material and transcendental love are the same archetypal process within different contexts, and therefore base love shouldn't be rejected, but rather affirmed in its proper context.
The higher man is one who has his feet planted on earth and his head in the stars.

your post reeks of autism btw

Just shut your mouth
Being a virgin as a guy is pure psychological and existential torture, I would give anything to stop being one right now
I want to fuck so bad and the idea that there are fuckers like you who are going to try to tell me that I should just accept this, that I should just roll over that I should give up infuriates me

If you can actually support multiple families with no compromise then there's technically nothing wrong with polygamy women can't since they can only have one baby at a time

wew lad.
I'm sure that the last time I saw this thread (must've been at least a year ago) I saw that exact post so you're either trolling or plain retarded.
Have a (you)

You can't just put "quality marriage" without giving us your definition of a quality marriage.
I don't know who made those chart but it's laughable.
The other ones are interesting though.

muh based nips tards need to hang.

It's incredibly easy to have sex in this day and age, you should value your virginity. I know I do. In fact it gets kind of hard having such pretty girls everywhere wanting the D
If you really want to be degenerate go ahead but you should get off this board
You should be more like this guy though. We all should be


The shit poster is actually right you know. With all this ((Diversity)) the best way to counter it is to procreate as much as possible with as close to the same ethnicity as possible


It's different for everyone, really depends on what you yourself have done. It would of course be unreasonable to demand a virgin when you aren't one yourself

Possibley, due to the twister laws
you need to leave

Thanks for collapsing the rectum.

Reported for obvious kike shill.

Pay for it if being a virgin brings you so much emotional turmoil for fuck`s sake

Okay, but don't demand a pure decent woman if you can't at least be decent enough to keep your dick in your pants yourself.

Either you're a faggot who puts all his self worth on his success with women, in which case stop that right now, or you don't realize that not being a virgin != a constant source of pussy to sate your fuck lust.

Either way, get a grip dude. There's more to life than pussy.
t. virgin

I bet you watch the electric Jew instead.

That's a very selfish and egotistical point of view. Since it would be detriment for society at large.

Because let's say you have 4 wives, i got none. What stops me from raping one of your wives and kill you, because you're stopping me from extending my bloodlines?

Don't you see, it's shit like this that creates immoral men and infighting within the same people. Guess who this plays right into the hands of? I'll give you a hint, ((Der Ewige))

Go ahead and try.

Like I said it's only if one is able to fully support multiple families. Most people can't even support one yet there's so many women out there. It would be better for a white woman to be a second wife to a white man then to end up with a nigger.
But hey if you want to pursue a specific girl that's taken then go ahead and try; I mean if you think rape is okay then to the victor the spoils

Read The Laws you dirty nigger and see Plato's real position on marriage and sodomy.

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