Creating a Culture of White Identitarianism in the New World Order

We are only as healthy as the culture of our community.

The flow of time and the evolution of civilization is like a great river, that will outlast our lives. Nobody has complete power over that river, not even the Illuminati, yet. So the question is: What kind of culture do we want to create, today, which will flow down the river to our descendants?

Because, in the end, our descendants must choose, of their own free will, to continue the race. And they will make that decision based on what we leave behind for them.

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Will our grandchildren look at the culture of Holla Forums, and think to themselves "This makes sense. I want to be a part of that."

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Anybody who unironically uses the term "identitarian" is a faggot.

It seems newfaggotry exists beyond imageboards and right up to the collective unconscious.

You think Hitler was somehow against deportation?

This. Hitler wanted Germany for the Germans, and allowes other races to have their own countries.

Probably one of those jew fags who think that because the Wehrmacht and SS had non whites fight in it somehow NS Germany was multicultural.

And once he lost, those countries invaded Germany to displace the native populace by utilizing the welfare state, ((( controlled media ))) and subjugated populace.

Whether you like the conceptualization of it in this frame of light or not, what we are trying to do is create a culture for people who "self identify" as being a part of the white race.

Yes, this implies that one has the option to NOT 'self identify' as what they were born, but this is the state of the NWO culture. It is foolish to fight their influence when we can rather frame our interests in a light which it flatters. In this way, we benefit from their power over the river, and can flow along with it, gaining more along the way, instead of struggling needlessly on the shores.

That is, we have as much right to 'identify' as racially white as any 'transgender individual' has the right to identify as transgender. This is a compelling argument which can't be countered in the mainstream very easily.


If we are successful at advancing the interests of white racialism, we will see alot of newfriends. You don't understand: our movement is bigger than chan culture.

I don't understand what you're implying, or how that relates to my OP.

Immigration is not in the interest of the first world white working class. But we need to create a space in society where we're allowed to assert the concept of "the interests of the first world, white working class." Because currently, that's not even a talking point in the mainstream, which presupposes that we don't even exist as a cohesive population with common interests.

Checked. It hasn't helped that Germany has acted as the main cuck and let them in with benefits, all towards the tune of the jews.

This is not beneficial

Cuckoldry.

On any website except the two Holla Forums's and Daily Stormer (that obvious controlled opposition outlet), this makes you look like an insecure, porn addicted pervert.

Literal cuckoldry

No he's right, it is the definition of political cuckoldry. You are allowing them to frame the narrative, you are allowing them to cuck you. They want to shovel shit down your mouth and you're saying "no don't shovel it down my throat, I only want to eat a little!" Well what about not eating any shit at all? Why let them frame your political views? As long as you try to work within their box, you're going to lose.

Kind of like adopting cuckoldry, and a frog which represents women hating virgins, as emblems of your community?

Alex Jones, is that you?

You've got it backwards. We take other people's terms and make them our own. Pepe isn't in the news as some /r9k/ virgin meme, it's in the news as an anti-semitic hate symbol. It's ours now. The best part is that in a way, we're cucking the media. CNN and MSNBC keep reporting on this shit, but nobody is stupid enough to listen to them anymore. Their ratings are in the shitter and FOX is dominating because they're the only one's not getting cucked by a bunch of frog pictures.

WHY would we independently choose to make these two things the foremost characteristic aspects of our community?

This is so clearly not our doing.

Jewish organizations spammed Holla Forums and elsewhere with racial cuckold porn, and the related goading pastas. That's where that comes from.

Hillary's campaign and the MSM are the ones who decided to represent online white nationalism with an /r9k/ meme, which, in 99% of its uses, had nothing to do with WN.

If that isn't "letting others frame the narrative," I don't know what is.

Yea, well, even if that's true (and I'm not sure it is), it still doesn't explain or justify why adopting and parroting, like literal robots, the jewish pornography "memes" we're spammed with is a good idea, and a good way to get newbies to take our ideology seriously.

It's esotericism, it's a good group defense mechanism. When normal people turn the news and see Don Lemon talking about cartoon nazi frogs, they think it's fucking ridiculous. They're not going to take that seriously. On top of that, it make sit harder to join our group. Only people that are really willing to get involved in the culture are going to understand what's going on.

Right now they do, but how easy will it be for our enemies to fabricate another spree shooter story for the MSM to pounce on. If they connect nazi frogs with something like that, it won't stay a joke for very long.

We are not a joke. We are not a secret club. We are a social and political movement based on racial identity. We WANT to have mainstream APPEAL. We want ordinary whites to hear our message and think "You know, that does make some sense."

In my opinion, it's time for Holla Forums to grow up, take this SERIOUSLY, and start speaking and acting like real adults who can function in society.

Holla Forums should be a place where whites come, and it makes their lives BETTER. Where they walk away from Holla Forums, and are able to IMPROVE their real lives. Can anyone here, right now, say "My life is better and my family is proud of me thanks to Holla Forums?"

No?

Why not?

I'm sure plenty of people could say that. See you keep saying you want mainstream appeal, but your solution to getting it is being a cuck. The only people who stay around on Holla Forums are people who have been 'redpilled', right? People come here, and they either get it and stay long enough to be redpilled or they don't get it and leave. That's how it should be. The userbase of Holla Forums should be filled with people who genuinely understand the 'redpill'.

Well, I'm sure there are not. This isn't /biz/. How does this board help whites raise their kids? How does this board help white pay their bills? How does this board help whites keep their families happy?

So, in your eyes, our "redpill" is a willingness to hang around with people who are apparently obsessed with cuckoldry porn?

Seems legit. I'm sure Hitler would approve of this.

I've been coming to these boards for years and I've seen dozens of posts from people talking about how they've improved their lives by getting /fit/ and taking a more proactive stance on life. I can honestly say my time here has certainly impacted how I think about society and the like. That's really what Holla Forums is about, it offers a different kind of worldview.

What do you mean obsessed with cuckoldry porn? Where do you see that?

I don't give a shit what Hitler would approve of. Hitler was a man of his time, what he'd approve of now is irrelevant.

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The explicit and obvious purpose of Holla Forums should be focused on bettering the lives of our community. Any normie should be able to come onto our board and walk away thinking "Well, at least one thing's for certain, they sure as hell want whites to have a good, happy life"

One of the first things your average white is going to think when they're exposed to our culture is: "Jesus, what the fuck is a "cuck"? Why are these guys so obsessed with that?" Cuckoldry is a defining and signifying aspect of us, of our community, and of our ideology. And for some reason, we're proud of that. This is a fucking embarrassment.

Aggressively parroting these jewish pornography memes while being completely unable to produce any other content makes you look like a fucking insane freak. It makes you look like there's something wrong with you. It's not cool. It doesn't make you look tough. It's pathetic. Please grow up. Please act and speak like your are a functional adult, both online and in your real life.

I think the biggest issue was that the people that I thought were genuinely intellectually serious on the left, out of my circle, weren't really when it came down to things. They were very good at pretending to seem open-minded, and could mimic the signalling elements required to seem they had the processes at play in being a serious intellectual, but when it came down to things, they are very easily triggered and angered by certain things.

Alright, so for Holla Forums to be successful, they have to fail, first, and then drive people to us that way? That's not ideal. We should be out trying to sell people on our ideology.

That is exactly what the mainstream narrative's caricaturization of us seeks to prevent us from being able to accomplish. And our behavior in these isolated internet farms validates that narrative.

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What are you? A marxist that has to invent new shiny words to sound cool and latch to the current political climate of change?
Kike D&C at it's best.
Let me guess, in a few years we will be
-strasserists
-faschists
-nat soc
-national socialists
-NAZIs
-nationalists
-tribalists
-regionalists
-pagans
-centres
-third way
And other shizophrenic shit that kikes force down people's throats.

The practice and strategy of Public Relations is the means by which you sell an idea to millions of people. Corporations and governments pay billions for PR because IT WORKS.

On the other hand, blind, unthinking defiance is NOT going to win us the hearts, minds, and respect of our countrymen. It makes us look like a bunch of childish idiots. Many capable, successful whites who would be sympathetic to our cause are driven away by this behavior.

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Identitarian is a word they use in Europe where saying you're a nazi could be a hate crime. It only exists to get around censorship and hate laws. Anyone outside of those countries using the term is a retard.

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Shiny new words are good. They bring attention to our ideas, and create new thoughtframes in the mainstream. Why insist on saying "hurr durr dirty kikes are shoving shit down our throats DX

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Nothing you say has any meaning or contradicts anything I just said.

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So, what? Are you talking about yourself?

PR IS propaganda. PR IS politics.

That's why IT'S DONE. The globalists aren't stupid. They use PR because IT WORKS.

WHY is this so hard for you to wrap your head around?

You're NOT going to get very far in society by insisting on acting like an inappropriately aggressive IDIOT NIGGER.

Learned nothing from uncle Adolf I see. Try cracking open Mein Kampf and see how the pros do it.

Why are you so obsessed with that? Do you have a porn problem or something?

PR has not worked in these instances, at least not in the traditional "Put on a friendly face" sense. People are tired of the phoniness you PR fags try to put off, and they want the real, raw, passionate stances people put out when they actually care for a cause rather than the manufactured bullshit made to sell ideas.

PR faggotry didn't work before, it's not going to work now, the raw and appealing edge is what is working.

You are not Adolf Hitler. None of us are Adolf Hitler. Adolf Hitler would NOT suggest his followers attempt to change society by depicting themselves as porn addicted degenerates with an inferiority complex to blacks.

You're really trying to push this meme to move away from using "cuck" to describe things, and it's probably one of the most effective shaming words around.

So, fuck off. Cuck.

It doesn't work. There's a reason Alex "Shill of the Decade" Jones encourages this mentality. There's a reason the jew's #1 strategy is to goad, encourage, and mock us into that mindset.

Because it isolates us (e.g. take a look at this board), and makes us very easy to discredit, dismiss, and ignore. We're playing directly directly into their hands.

Look at pic related. THIS is what the face of WN needs to be. You think this guy runs around wallstreet saying "nigger nigger nigger cuckoldry porn kike nigger" to anybody who will listen?

Is speaking and acting like that an intelligent and effective way of advocating our ideas to the mainstream mind?

lol concern cucked

You're only shaming yourself. Go outside. Make some friends. Find a girl. Stop spending so much time alone on the internet.

No one is advocating to be Alex Jones-tier, they're just also not advocating to be a bunch of thin-lipped cucks and pussy-foot their way around the entire ordeal. Personally, I don't want this board to start having your average fucking prole touching it.

You're trying to get us to delve into the divisive world of the same "Well, I'm a Hegelian…" bullshit that the Left has fucked itself upon countless times.

Keep on projecting, cuck.

Why?

I really don't have a solution. I just attempt to tell the truth, and it doesn't work effectively, except on certain people - but those are the people I want to attract at this stage in my life. The mis-characterisation is a problem, but I think it is working less and less, just like the shoah is working less and less as technique to herd the mainstream of leftists. I've never been totally against PR, I'm British so I have to be somewhat tactful from a legal standpoint. However, controversy is necessary to get some people to understand the gravity of the situation we find ourselves in. Goading Jews an Leftists Socratically is probably the best method. It's really simple, and watching/hearing them squirm is enjoyable.

Remember how intelligent the average person is. Remember half of them are stupider than that.

Remember that over half of the population are women and women are always more responsive to emotional arguments than rational ones.

Rational people have tried and tried and tried to get these messages across and have utterly, 100% failed. This is because the Democrats have poisoned the well through an education system that is only effective at delivering their brainwashing, and not effective at creating reasonable people.

I have no idea what that means and I don't care.

What I'm saying is that the users here need to take our community seriously, and so speak and act like functional, successful adults. We need to set an example.

Don't advocate violence against non whites. Stop referencing hardcore racial porn every other breath, etc.

Alright, let me break it down for you.

You're making it about the labels and not the content, and trying to water down the message by doing such.

So, once again. Fuck off, cuck.

Quality over quantity.

We're up against an absolute goliath, yes. But that doesn't mean we should throw caution to the wind and play the "race to the bottom" with the jewish mainstream.

We can distinguish ourselves from the NWO culture by creating our own. Holla Forums should be a place you would want your 10yo son to browse.

We're reaching levels of cuckoldry that shouldn't even be possible.

What "content" are you talking about, cuck-porn addict?

What "message" are you talking about, cuck-porn addict?

The world is being told we're violent, insecure maniacs. What benefit is there to validating that narrative?

Please explain to me how that helps us.

Holla Forums should not be a place that my 10 year old son should be browsing. Take your LARPing elsewhere, you're not going to reach any sort of ground-breaking conclusion here by trying to soften the place up. The content being the harder, stronger, more extreme dealings that you don't see on your average kike-washed right-wing site.

This is why we're calling you a cuck, cuck.

We need to be. We are at war.

Is "identitarianism" the most overused word on the internet Right-Wing? The identitarianism thing is a European thing OP. If you are American you should stay away from it. Us Americans can only ruin good things.

Why? Why should the community of WN not be a place that helps us raise our children? Why should the culture of white nationalism be something we need hide our children from?

It's the JEWS who want you to gravitate to the extreme, the violent, the vulgar. If you can't understand why that would benefit them… I'm at a loss for words, and am forced to assume you have not left your parent's basement in years.

Identitarian isn't even good in Europe. It only exists because that is as far as they can go without being arrested for hate crimes.

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Take your pussy-bitch "We should be nicer, and kinder, and show people how we're not what they say we are instead of just ignoring it and doing what we always do!" methodology elsewhere, cuck.

Because Holla Forums isn't your fucking local barmitzvah, kike. It's not the park down the street, it's not the family center, it's a fucking image board for adults venting and enacting out their frustrations and how they wish to change it. If there was ever a time to be extreme, to be violent, it is the time we are in currently where the shock of violence is the ultimate wake-up call.

And I left my parents' house the moment I hit 18, but thanks for being so concerned :^)

You're sitting in a first world country at your computer, buddy. This isn't a "war" where unthinking, impulsive behavior is going to help us.

This is a "war" of opinions and information. It works differently. You have to be smart. You have to influence people. Just running around being as edgy as possible for attention and shock value, and that is 100% of our strategy, is NOT the best way to do this.

No it isn't.

And even if it were, our propaganda methods have proven to be the most effective.

You're not part of the government. You're not part of a police force. You're not a military leader. You're an user, at his computer, on a public website.

Your job is to convince other joe schmoes on social media that white racialism is a good thing, and is something they want to do. Very simple.

Leave the discussion of organized violence to people who are organized.

How about you stop trying to co-opt the one method that's working and go peddle your special brand of faggotry elsewhere? Being raw and edgy is hip, and it resonates with white youth who more often see the consequences of diversity in their schools, universities, homes, and jobs.

Yes it is. We don't have financing. We don't have an organized structure. We are a bunch of strangers, on the internet, "working" in our free time. The BEST way for us to make a difference is to sell other whites on simple ideas.

I disagree. There must be 1,000 better ways for us to organize and interact to further our goals. How does our current culture serve the race?

It relates to the picture you posted.

Most of our ideas are already raw enough. They are already edgy enough, on their own. We can express them like responsible adults, and make even more of an impact, compared to expressing them like edgy teenagers, and being dismissed and disregarded by most people.

The "Alex Jones" approach does not work in the longrun. It gets us short term attention, but very little serious attention. We're just helping the jews condition the population to completely ignore us, automatically.

There is nothing wrong with advocating holocaust denial like a civilized, mature adult. We have enough edgy toughguys chomping the bit to smash skulls on dumpsters. We have plenty of that, but no leader, and no organization, so it goes absolutely nowhere.

But what we need is more charismatic, straight laced, intelligent, upper class, whitebread salesmen who can appeal to mainstream white America.

Hitler was against young men embarrassing his political campaigns by acting like barbaric animals.

Contrary to popular propaganda, Hitler never encouraged mob violence against anybody, not even jews. He aspired to be, and was, the leader of a first world country. Not a pirate or a criminal.

You keep pushing forward this "sensible adult" approach but all it is accompanied by is the vacant ideal of your despicable vacuum cleaner salesman. The lack of leader, and the decentralization is a good thing, this isn't some massive platform for an active force out in the world, accountable to rosters, or anything of the sort.

You're trying to muzzle Holla Forums for some ignorant PR stunt like somehow the people we're up against are going to change their mind when we're not chomping at the bit. That hasn't worked, and this has, and I don't think suddenly switching tactics is going to accomplish anything. Nothing is more contagious than laughter, and the outright shocking, uncensored, whole-sale showing that is naturally made here does more to inspire people than any amount of manufactured statements and mission statements.

Take your LARPing elsewhere, or go build an actual club to gather whites if you want to put forth an interactive campaign. Telling an imageboard to tone things down so even ten year olds could browse the board is the dumbest approach I've ever seen, white children aren't going to all make a pilgrimage to the site of Holla Forums.

No, it isn't.

Who's we?

You would because you're retarded.

Agitation deepening racial divisions. Simple and effective. We want niggers killing people, we want to escalate the violence, we want to increase hatreds across the board. We accomplish this with the methods we already use. You aren't going to convince whites to become ethnocentric with arguments. You need to force then to be so by circumstance.

No he wasn't.

Not how it works. Bourgeois white America cares only about their comforts.

Who's we? A bunch of strangers on the internet?

No organization. No financing. No leadership.

Get your head out of your ass. In every way we benefit from chaos, they stand to gain 10x as much.

Yes it is. That's why it's called "salesmanship."

We have an idea that we are trying to sell people on. That is politics. That is the politics we are realistically capable of here. We're not an secret, international intelligence agency, like some people here apparently think.

You're the only one caught up in this fantasy that we're selling anything. The world needs shooken up, and we're helping do just that, not continue more of the same sleezy bullshit of acting like ideology is some product you can mass-market to just anyone.

hurdur Hitler was a peaceful activist anons he even wanted Jews to have their own country and subhumans to prosper!

Now we realize where some of his naivety was and won't make the same mistakes. The fact that subhumans can't do shit and will always flock to their white gods for scraps so they must be culled to manageable populations as to not bite the hand that feeds or exterminated outright. the holocaust didn't happen but it should of

Not necessary.

Completely incorrect.


Not with the methods you propose. You're a fucking retard, m8.

Correct.

See BNP, FN, and every other worthless respectable bourgeois party in history.