Voting Libertarian

End the war on drugs, No Taxes, No foreign intervention, free internet and will protect free speech.

I won't try to sway you too much, OP, but I'd recommend that you check out the Freakonomics podcast from about a week or so ago that they did on Libertarianism in the US; Johnson was actually even on the episode. He seems more like a liberal who just goes by another name in a lot of regards.

I don't mean to go full autism here but god damnit, Holla Forums, there is no "a" in the word border. Loser does not have two o's in it, women is plural not singular, etc. I just see this shit all the time and it drives me nuts.

Libertarianism is simply no longer viable. It was a peace offering to the global powers, to say "fuck off, leave us alone, and we'll fuck off too and leave you alone"
They didn't accept that, and now here we are. The libertarian culture you're talking about was probably propagated by a lot of the people who are still here, but have moved on from it because it's too flaccid.

Principles are only ever good in principle

He hasn't said shit about the fed, Gary Johnson is a fucking establishment shill who got into the Libertarian Party
Maybe Austin or fuck even McAfee might be ok but Johnson has done nothing but pander to Sander and Hillary supporters

Libertarian ism is pure retardation. & you should kill yourself for a troll this pathetic

Gary Johnson is a literal fucking moron. Seriously, have you watched and town halls or interviews he's done. He's the poster child for why marijuana should not be legal. Plus, his vice presidential nominee is a deep state stooge and has espoused some of the most un-libertarian rhetoric I have ever heard.

sage

Libertarianism is basically empty platitudes with no actual value. It's an ideology that can inherently only exist in a white ethno-state, because non-whites statistically NEVER are for it when you account for regression to the mean through genetics.

It's like saying you want to swim in your back yard, but you don't believe in putting water in the pool. You need the water. Once you have the water, you need to protect it. Once you are valuing and protecting the water, it really doesn't matter if you swim or lounge, having the water is the important part.

Libertarians are basically laying at the bottom of an empty pool "on principle." Keep dog paddling faggot, you're more delusional than most trannies.

Quite a few philosophers of the persuasion came to a conclusion and yet only touched upon it to return to their economic masturbation. They had no way of creating, and then enforcing, the world as they wished it. Some suggested limited fascism, but only in short remarks.

The world libertarians envision is a utopia, in the original context. It is entirely physically feasible, but all customs that occur must be lemiscate, deriving from themselves. You think Mississippi is going to up and drop welfare for a free market solution? That cities with municipal power and public access television will sell off to the highest bidder? What is to protect capitalism from becoming consumed by corporate monopolies?
What of culture? What is the point of capitalism when it isn't the best answer? I have visited many places that are prosperous and beautiful because they chose to not pursue profit. Small towns and cultured cities, loving families and generational farms. This is why libertarianism has dissolved on Holla Forums, for it has no good answers to shield the good things in life. It is the serving of one master, profit, and to pretend otherwise is like a Bernie supporter denying links to Marxism. Either he is a fool or a liar.

So tell me user, what does libertarianism say of a man's soul? Of society's purpose? From whence does authority issue, and why does it matter that it be respected? What in libertarianism defends me and mine from caustic outside influence? What story shall be told that will take our cities of wood and turn them to cities of marble?

When a day of uncivil conflict arrives, why shouldn't I put you against the wall with the marxists and the anarchists? Your words are different, but the reality of your ends is the same.

REPORTED

This, Libertarianism is nowdays is useless, at this point its a stepping back from actual change in the given opportunity.

Go fuck yourself to death.

Controlled oppo Paul.

SAGE

CTR please leave.

Fuck off.

Yet he supports carbon tax…

kek

Honestly, I agree with a lot of what the Libertarian party stands for, and if Johnson was pro-life, I'd vote for him happily. Unfortunately, I can't get past the whole "let women kill their own babies" thing. Trump is the most pro-life of those running, so I have to go with him. I very much respect the Libertarian ideals of avoiding government spending wherever possible.

MFW

The current Libertarian Party has problems, namely the open borders and international free trade fags, but the foundation is solid.

Centralized government will always drift left. Any institution that attracts beauracrats and rent-seekers will always drift left, because that's how (((Leftists))) work. They aren't productive by nature, they're subversive. They infilitrate succesful institutions as entryists, and then once they have a critical mass of like-minded people they consolidate power and begin filtering out wrongthinkers.

We've seen it happen in academia. We've seen it in government. The more powerful and more centralized an institution is, the fewer checks and balances it has, the more susceptible it is to the Left.

Gary Johnson is a fruitcake, but they aren't all like that.

lolbertardians used to be pretty prevelant on /pol. Their idealogies aren't sound, but I'm glad to see there's still a few left. They are fun to debate with. In conclusion, lurk moar faggot

Holla Forums* fug

The central ideas of libertarianism allow for the corruption to become endemic. Else how has the body of the self ascribed not grown? How is it that our country has slipped so throroughly away?
It is so well sectioned off into its economic beliefs these days that it is useless. If there was any fire in the belly of the party, any merit left in its ideas in the modern context, and reason for it to persist then why does it now fail?
Convince me motherfucker. I don't even like Trump, but the joke of a candidate proposed here is beyond a doubt a worse choice. That the party voted for him is laughable. That this occured and you say he is not like most is foul.

Lolbergs not welcome

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Abe Lincoln went to war with the Jacksonian-Jeffersonian coalition, crippled their industries, and then unleashed millions of freed slaves on them so the South was fucked. The Federal Gov't has been growing unabated and the country progressively more pozzed ever since.

50 years after the war when the Right was recovering, the Northern States pushed through the 19th Amendment. Women are natural leftists because they have a maternal communal ethic, so the cause of Liberty is pushed back again.

Another 50 years after that they force Southern States to give uneducated, white-hating blacks the right to vote in our communities. Around the same time they change immigration laws to flood the country with their pet minorities from central america. Around the same time they reform welfare laws so the non-whites will never develop past the infantile stage and will always be reliant on the Federal teat and vote in the progressives.

The democratic process has been twisted, cheated, and broken at every step of the way by progressives. It didn't just slip in through the legitimate process. Maybe Liberty-minded people failed in letting the Left get this far, but you can't fault them for not fighting when we lost a good 3% of our population in the war. But the fact is we've been outnumbered by cucks since the beginning and it's only gotten worse.

Because our nation is in dire peril of being overrun by mud hordes. Libertarianism is fine when it's all hunky-dory in a homogenous society - but in the face of a demographic crisis, it's stupid.

I did like Paul though.

gary johnson thinks borders are racist and no one should be 'illegal'
he's also a complete moron who doesn't know what Aleppo is and can't name a single foreign world leader

kys you dude weed lmao lolberg faggot

OP's candidate of choice

No. He supports immigration.

Fuck off CTR. Gary Johnson is a clueless fucking moron who's entire platform is catering to bernouts as an alternative to Trump and Clinton.

To be honest, in a way, that's a good thing. That means he doesn't give the slightest fuck about globalists or international politics and is concentrating only on the USA.

That's the only ostensible redeeming quality of "DUDE WEED" Johnson however.

I was honestly torn between voting for Stein or Trump, but after Obongo said voting third party or not voting at all is a vote for Trump, I will vote Trump 200% to symbolically tell him to fuck off. It's my fucking vote, I'll do what I want. Anyway the point I'm trying to make is Gary is a disingenuous faggot, at least Jill has balls.

listen OP, I am libertarian like you. But Gary Johnson is literally retarded. Every time that guy opens his mouth he makes it more difficult for me to vote for him. Ron Paul was the greatest libertarian politician we'll ever get in our lifetime, its all downhill from here.

A few of us still remain here, while others couldn't handle Holla Forums shitposting us into obscurity and went to /liberty/. For the most part, those that remain here don't talk about our beliefs much these days. I stay here for the happening threads.

Vote Trump over Gary Johnson, help Trump get the win.
We don't need divided votes, promote Jill Stein to demos to get them dividing their own votes.

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I know this is unpopular, but I still do hold on to more than a few libertarian views, especially regarding weedlmao, free speech, and small government.

That said, Gary Johnson is an effeminate, social-signaling, politically correct cuck faggot. Trump is the clearly superior choice who will protect the very white tribal value of liberty by outlawing the shitskin hordes who want to strip you of both liberty and wealth. What matters right now is survival, sometimes protecting your own freedom involves destroying the freedom of others. In our case, mestizos and negros

Go home, faggot

Because I am autistic and it makes sense to me. Sorry, I will never become fully redpilled.

So what form of government do you want to live under as part of the shrinking white population? One that redistributes wealth from working whites to welfare queenz? Libertarian leadership is hard to win over with a small majority of whites, but that's because *niggers love a big government teat*. It's not a reason not to support Libertarians in general.

But..

This.

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But the wasn't the united states pretty much completely libertarian for a long time? How would you deal with the problem of libertarianism being sustainable only as long as the people didn't decide to vote for something else?

The last chance for an actual libertarian was Ron Paul, and we all know how that went. Johnson's an ex-cuckservative not a libertarian. On top of all that he's just a silly dude. And not in the funny kind of way, more in the cringy talk-to-reporter-with-tongue-sticking-out and get-triggered-at-mention-of-illegals-being-called-illegal sort of way. If you want to be edgy and nihilistic you can throw away your vote if you want.

all lolbergs either realized that the utopia they want is impossible unless the shitskins and kikes are removed or they fucked off back to reddit.

I never said I was a fan of democracy. Democracy is an inherently flawed system that allows people like Hillary Clinton to actually have a chance at leading a major nation. The average American voter is an idiot. I don't mean to sound edgy when I say that, but consider that the average voter doesn't truly understand politics and simply goes and votes for whatever candidate their preferred media source backs or whatever their friends and family vote for. In some cases, they vote for candidates and issues simply because their union backs them. Have you ever seen signs like 'Vote No on Issue 2' and wondered what Issue 2 even was or if the people with those signs truly know? I think a republic would be a much better alternative. You give some minor control to the average voter, but there are safety checks in place that prevent serious harm to the country. Furthermore, A new constitution that explicitly states the limits of the governing body and the meaning behind every passage if necessary. That way there can be no debate

and would faggotry and nonwhites or nonwhite immigration be allowed in your ideal society? If not, how would you reconcile that with libertarian principles?

Basically there's no way you can define the rights enough. The second amendment is preeeetty fucking clear about owning firearms and yet they still find ways to penetrate it so they can dissolve it from within.

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this is something I still wrestle with honestly. There is no denying that a libertarian society would be healthier and more feasible if those types were eradicated from this world. Can a libertarian society still exist and function with those sorts of people? Maybe. There would be extreme difficulties, though. The problem the founding fathers created when they drafted our current constitution is that they gave it too much ability to change. They were so hung up on governments becoming oppressive regimes that they gave the constitution flexibility so that the people could change the government as time passed. The issue is, this literally helps change the government into something that is nothing like what it was supposed to be. So to also answer I think a new constitution would have to be more rigid and not easily modifiable

It was fun defending my autism with you all, but I'm going to sleep now. If the thread is still up tomorrow and wasn't nuked by hotpockets, I'll come back and continue to defend

Libertarianism is an anglo philosophy. A libertarian society cannot function if whites are not the absolute majority,.

Of course Paul got no traction, because he ran in the Cuckservative primaries. Trump also couldn't break into politics before last year. The Republican establishment was too strong and there were no viable third parties since the Reforms disintegrated.

Now the Republicans are falling apart and the Libertarian party is well established. Dudeweed Johnson is a clown, but who knows, next time they could have a real shot if they can find a strong candidate.

You may not be a shill but you are a heretic.
If you do not see the eventual destruction of the jews as a eventuality that we must create, you are not one of us.

if you don't live in a swing state, go right ahead and do that, high third party voting shows dissatisfaction. But if you live in PA or OH, or FL you fucking vote for Trump faggot.

shiggy

Exactly. Libertarianism today has been hijacked by degenerate hedonists who use it as an excuse to justify themselves.

Gary Johnson is a cuck

he thinks anyone who doesn't like NAFTA is against trade. He also sounds like a fucking retard so no.

meant "free" trade

Nobody is going to vote for a pro-carbon tax, pro illegal immigration, anti-border, anti-gun, "libertarian". Even if you are retarded enough to yourself be a libertarian, you shouldn't vote Johnson.

Wat?

Firstly, as said, he's not a libertarian.

Secondly, 25% of federal government employees said they'd consider resigning if Trump got elected. The opportunity to remove up to 25% of Federal employees with no difficulties - severance packages, looking like a terrible person etc should be something any real libertarian should jump at.

hows that been working out for you?

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>>>/reddit/

Time to post this again.

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"Redpill" used to mean a person who would embrace tough truths that are obscured and relatively unknown by the public.

Now it just means some butthurt neckbeard who spouts neo-fascist ideology because he doesn't have a job and a girlfriend.

Johnson's not a libertarian you idiot.

not only is it a shill thread, but no one who voted for ron paul in 2008 is voting for aleppoman

They are all voting for trump.

I view Gary Johnson much the same way a democrat would view Hillary or a Republican would view Trump.

A poor choice for nominee, but a step in the right direction.

That being said, I live in a swing state that isn't one of Johnson's strongest. I may vote for Trump if Gary doesn't get into the debates.

If only the Trump train didn't distract Rand's support base.

simply not true, because the only values that Trump brings are the hopes for prosperity and anti-globalism. He shares little of the same libertarian principles that Ron fought for for generations.

I hate attaching labels to myself like "Libertarian" or even "National Socialist"

However, you expect Holla Forums to support Gary Johnson – a candidate who openly promotes completely open borders (muh free market) and refugees along with opposing all forms of deportations for illegals because that would mean big government?

White people are rapidly becoming a minority in every country we inhabit. I was a "Libertarian" four years ago and supported Ron Paul, whom I still respect, but lolberg policies have absolutely failed us and the white race across the world. We need to try something different and Nationalism provides the only outlet for our survival.

This is the cuckchan exodus.

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What makes Gary Johnson a libertarian? His laughable "dude weed act?" He is pro-immigration, anti-trade, anti-self-defense, pro-sjw and in all likelyhood pro-war, given that he added Hillary's former neocon lover to the ticket.

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Holla Forums didn't leave the Libertarians, they left us and Ron Paul to a dark lonesome corner. Now they're a bunch of commie faggots.

Absolutely THIS.

I voted for Rona Paul when he ran for president, but at that time we were not seeing the same kind of problems we now are faced with. The globalists are now allowing absolutely hateful radical scum from the third world to pour into our nation. If we don't nip this in the bud our whole culture and our way of life will be DESTROYED.

We had our chance with Ron Paul. We failed. Now things have gotten a whole lot worse, as predicted. Now we need a stubborn strong nationalist leader like Trump to pull us out of this mess before it is too late.

Fuck off back to cuckchan

A man who stumbled so hard to be a cuck he makes Bernie look like an alpha male.

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I feel that you are a massive faggot and should consider suicide.

i always liked ron paul.
he was the first politician to redpill me.

but remember he was never even part of the libertarian PARTY which is completely cucked to hell.

gary johnson is completely cucked and retarded. hes not even a real libertarian.

hes also a faggot who supports open borders to illegal immigrants and got triggered by vide related.

also he is totally ignorant. he didnt even know what allepo was.

fuck that guy hes a total retard.

saging your shit thread.

WOW WHAT A FUCKING PUSSY

All republics, democracies, "free societies," anything that has at its base the foundations of classical liberalism will always drift left. It happened in Rome, it happened every single time after Rome as well.

The only thing that can actually combat leftward drift is firm and explicit opposition to liberalism. The only way possible to instil this in a population is through government (Whether, Spartan-esque military tradition, absolutism, fascism, classical tyranny, what have you)

you are all in for a rude awakening

And with that there are different problems that rival the downsides of a liberal society.

He literally only believes what his jew masters tell him to. Trump's the one whos talked about auditing the fed, protecting the 2nd amendment, lowering taxes, deregulating weed at the federal level so states can actually decide for them selves, ect. all shit that lolbertarians love. Anyone that thinks Johnson is a decent candidate is either a jew, or a moron.

youtube.com/watch?v=_MhByuDET9U

FUCK YOU CTR, IT'S TRUMP OR HAPPENING

ANYONE NOT VOTING FOR TRUMP IS A FUCKING SHILL

Such opposition must also be ingrained into the culture, as a government which is divorced from culture is as meaningless as culture which is divorced from traditionalism.

Good.
Fuck off lolberg scum.

Ron Paul: "Libertarianism is the enemy of all racism"

youtube.com/watch?v=XnPnAJeVuvw (Ron Paul: "Libertarianism is the enemy of all racism")

"Libertarian is the enemy of all racism, because racism is a collectivist idea. Its that, you put people in category, you say "Well blacks belong here, and whites here, and women here", but we don't see people in forms, or, uh, or gays, you don't have rights because you're gays or women or minority, you have rights because you're an individual. So we see people strictly as individuals, and we get these individuals in a natural way, so its exactly opposite of all collectivism, and its absolutely anti-racism, because we don't see it in those terms."

Ron Paul: Immigration not solved by barbed wire, guns
theguardian.com/world/feedarticle/10072567

Ron Paul is Anti-Racist
theguardian.com/world/feedarticle/10072567

Ron Paul: I have always made it clear, and will continue to do so, that my message is based on the rights of all people to be treated equally.
Any type of racism or anti-Semitism is incompatible with my philosophy.
Ludwig von Mises, the great economist whose writing helped inspire my political career, was a Jew who was forced to leave his native Austria to escape the Nazis.

> Therefore, for me to advance anti-Semitism in any way would be a betrayal of my own intellectual heritage.

- Ludwig von Mises, Nation, State, and Economy, page 10

KYS MM.

that fucking niggers face, he's so shocked to meet someone dumber than himself

I voted libertarian the past two elections, but somewhere between 2012 and now I began prioritizing race and heritage over liberty. Libertarianism is all fine and good, but there's no way it succeeds in a multicucktural society like we have.

everything you tried to point out actually makes a lot of sense

Since when is the Republican Party a "third party"? They stopped being "third party" when Lincoln won.

Or did you mean 1808?

We just grew up. Used to be a flaming libratard. I want a strong government that reigns in abuses of big businesses. I want all corporations to be legally forbidden from acting against the national good. I want all natural resources to be owned by the nation (or state) and mines and such get a cut for there work instead of giving a cut in taxes. I want a closed border with no net immigration. I want socialized medicine roads, airports and railways. But I don't want to go full commie mode. Only certain things should be socialized. I want to legalize pot but instigate public floggings for public acts of degeneracy like being stoned, drunk, or being an insufferable faggot in public. Libertarianisam just does not cut it for me.

LOLBERGS FUCK OFF
Holla Forums IS A FASCIST BOARD
YOU DON'T BELONG HERE

>>>/liberty/
>>>/liberty/
>>>/liberty/

AND STAY THERE

Libertarianism is a sort of stepping stone away from liberalism. It defines a sort of social contract which neither denies nor implies the exclusionary aspects against which modern liberalism is so firmly set. However, ultimately it is nothing more than the worthless semantics of materialists with no regard for the values which truly underlie the social contract responsible for European civilization (and since all other civilization is derived from that…): hierarchy, responsibility, and nobility. Any system not based on those values isn't even worth considering.

If you're going to vote 3rd party, at least post for the Constitution Party.

Kill yourself.

Libertarianism is good. Libertarians are good. Gary Johnson does not have a platform of Libertarian policies. He honestly believes in retarded trade deals, honestly believes in newspeak re-labeling, and a lot of other dirty shit. He's got some good policies but he's not even remotely a Libertarian. The party is in shambles, I guess.

Nice try shill.

The US is a country of liberty.
You don't belong here.
Expatriate to Russia and stay there.

If you honestly think Gary "Aleppo" Johnson is a viable candidate you need to be removed from the pool.

YOU HAVE TO GO BACK

That's why it's shit and doomed to dissolution. Liberty and liberalism are similar for a reason. The noble man embodies his duties; the ignoble man begs for the liberty to shirk his responsibilities. The future of the US is Balkanization into White colonies which look to the European homeland for identity, vast swathes of wasteland inhabited by degenerates and subhumans, and hive cities inhabited by degenerates and subhumans. Fascism will be the order of the day and anarchy the sad state of the rest.

Americanism, that is, seeking for an identity which is independent of Europa, is lethal folly. It is an invitation to all those who MUST be excluded for the stability of civilization.

I see the shills are already here, and have already been retarded enough to expose themselves.
Johnson wants to open the border, and give more rights to minorities thus taking away rights from the majority (whites according to ((them)))
So he's basically Hillary except instead of being a puppet he legitimately believes what he's doing is right.

Trump is the only candidate worth voting for. Johnson needs to overdoes on all the drugs he's trying to legalize.

Fuck forgot sage.

THROW YOUR VOTE AWAY GOYS!

We have a two party system period. Either you choose Republican or Democrat or you might as well not vote.

How could you be this much of a stupid cuck?

Something only low-T beta cuck males do in 2016

Nice. You just bumped the shill. Never forget your sage.

I'm not voting for "What is Aleppo?". Fuck that guy.

Goddamnit. Forgot my sage.

Nigger! My bad.

I've been a registered independent for 2 decades, this is the first year I have ever registered with a party or plan on voting for a major party candidate. Trump has my vote because he implicitly pro-white. Even if he is only an incremental victory we need to win one. We have been getting our asses handed to us repeatedly for sticking to our principles, it is time we act more pragmatically.

Welcome aboard

And yet every influential libertarian is a kike. Ayn Rand, Murray Rothbard, Mises, the list goes on.

Strange. Are you sure you're not just an uninformed teenager?

What is Alleppo?