Mozilla is using Google Analytics in their about:addons page to data mine Firefox users for Google

It's not been like that forever.

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you can do both, the tags just have to be on the same line newfriend. Also sage for offtopic

news.ycombinator.com/item?id=14753546

(((statistical purposes)))

May as well rename the Internet as "the google".

Use Brave.

ublock developer says that web extensions can't block the google analytics baked into Firefox.

the old addons could though.

no.

There were frequent reports from a while ago that google refused to hire anyone that went against their politics, and almost certainly used gmail to track web history to do that. It's probably gotten a lot worse.

*Particular case I remember was annon getting an email from his right-radical fishing buddies on his gmail, suddenly getting his website dropped from google advertising with HR comments that he was a bad person .

And it doesn't have to be Google either. Gravatar (Automattic) publicly opposed Trump's travel ban, I'm sure they wouldn't mind opening their legs for the antifa-affiliated "research group".

CNN is not left wing you stupid faggot. They pro warmongering right winger clinton, and anti actual leftist bernie

Back to Holla Forums. CNN isn't a newspaper either, and certainly not a Swedish one.

or YOU go back to Holla Forums. CNN isn't left wing. But i guess if people keep repeating a lie, followers like yourself start to believe it.

He's talking about the Maoist media jew in Sweden who dox's wrongthink "trolls" and then harasses them as a shaming ritual on TV.

The only person in this thread to mention CNN is you.

CNN = Communist News Network

How can it not be left wing if it's literally in the name?

May as well rename the Internet as "the jew"

HAHHAHHAHAHHAHAHAHHAHAHHAHHAHAHHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHHAHAHAHHAHAHAHHAHAHHAHAHAHHAHAHAHHAHAHAHAHHAHAHHAHAHAHAHHAHAHAHHAHAHAHHAHAHAHHAHAHAHAHHAHAHAHAHHAHA, oh lord.

Otter Browser is still without ads.

What about GNU IceCat?

It's not the issue itself that bothers me. It's technically just embedding a page in a space where addons like uBlock Origin or uMatrix whitelist by default (addons.about-scheme) to avoid breaking things, thus sort of unintentionally backdooring a tracker. It's unacceptable but understandable; it's not intentionally being directly bolted into the framework of Firefox.

What bothers me is that Mozilla cuck's responses.
Complete tone-deafness to their core users, the people who refuse to use Google products. God knows nobody uses this piece of shit browser for any other reason.

From what I recall, that part of the browser goes to the FSF's website instead of Mozilla's, so you'd have nothing to worry about.

When qutebrowser get per domain settings, I'm gonna switch fast.
Even if I'm on Gentoo and qtwebkit needs fuckin ruby to build.

I'm using Icecat and not giving a fuck.

It works and has removed mozillan botnet.

Indeed, it's actually the work of the FSD/FSF and trisquel volunteers.

Seeing where GNU has gone over the last 10 years, I want to say to the new crop of (((programmers))):
You serve your users. Full stop. If you only plan to serve yourself, don't release your code. Keep it secret. Do the world a favor and don't dump your pile of shitcode on the internet if your response is "well you could always block/modify it!" If it's inventive but works "just well enough" (typical of any "LeL just fork it!"-philosophy project) it will be a cancer attached to our sides for years as bright minds bend around fixing your shit code.
You serve the users. Your code should be oriented around the users. The users have rights:
They have the right to options for any behavior which can differ (be KDE 3.5, not GNOME 2 or 3).
They have the right to have an interface which doesn't change much, unless absolutely necessary.
Downstream developers who depend on your code are also users; the API is their interface, and the rule above applies.
They have the right to be able to compose your programs with others, so design it with UNIX philosophy in mind (flexible input and output).
They have the right to not be tracked and analyzed.
They have the right to a strongly stable, modular application which easily lends itself to extension.
They have the right to new *functional* features (æsthetic features don't count as "new features," are an utter waste of time, and should be avoided).
They have the right to have their requests and bugs listened to, but not the right to have features which would break others' right to use features they enjoy.
All projects will break some of the above at some point. Most FOSS projects break the above way too often. FOSS is in constant beta. The reason things don't seem to get that much better is because once there's a foundation written, it fucking dissolves like a sandcastle exposed to the ocean by the time a project depending on that foundation makes it out. I'm sure half of developer time is fixing bugs caused by upstream API breakage.
Knowledge changes, sure, but knowledge generally tends to crystallize as time proceeds forward and more comes in to refine that knowledge. FOSS code is like knowledge on a fictional universe: fickle, inconsistent, changes all the time.
Please, junior FOSS developer. Unless you're going to strive for correct architecture (and you *know* what Big-O and Big-Omega notation are), keep your script-code-written-in-C to yourself and not on the internet!

Any kind of data can be exploited:
Data collection, psychographic profiling, and their impact on politics
youtube.com/watch?v=HUm9hV9KPy0

The Power of Big Data and Psychographics
youtube.com/watch?v=n8Dd5aVXLCc

I want to add: 2005-2015 has shown that FOSS-philosophy not only drags down the quality of software by making the design/development of it uneconomical [in the sense they're Doing It For Free(tm)], but drags down proprietary products too as people will use "just good enough" for free instead of "well built" for tens/hundreds of Dollars. This puts pressure on proprietary to cut corners to reduce costs, so "well built" gets crowded out by free garbage. FOSS only kicks ass when its competition is a monopoly.

Firefox Focus uses Blink.

It's only a matter time before desktop Firefox switches to Blink too.

Servo is vaporware.

No
No
Well you could always block/modify it.
Implying all code ever made is shit, implying that MS or Apple code isn't shit.
If I'm paid.
If that's my goal.
The users have to four freedoms.
They have the 4F and also the right to use another software.
They have the 4F and also the right to use another software.
Tell that to Lennart and redhat.
They have the 4F and also the right to use another software.
They have the 4F and also the right to use another software.
They have the 4F and also the right to use another software.
If the developer/s want/have time
BS
Because you are the law ?
Because non-free solutions aren't ?
There is not only one reason to this.
One of the major reasons is because of hardware manufacturers who go way to fast into introducing new products who don't give any source/documentation.
Gee I wonder why ? maybe something to do with hardware.
Because other entities who have billions of $ do sane standards:
noooxml.wikidot.com/
Implying that free software is only made by hobbyist.
Implying that free software doesn't employ people.
Implying that non-free solutions works better and don't abuses people.
They didn't need free software competition do to that.
Software kicks ass when the developers had a sane computing course which is a mix of hardware and software learning.
Software kicks ass when the developers isn't a piece of shit developing in java or with tools that he can't verify.

To be fair your whole post is garbage.

I'm sure you haven't seen the piece of shit that is SAP.

While I can't say this particular user is one of the many shit-code writers, this is the attitude I am referring to.

That's the point of charging for software and restricting copy rights to the copyright holder to license. Someone is paying you to give a shit instead of you just writing it up to the point of minimum tolerable functionality for your needs.

Collection of FOSS art programs vs Adobe Creative Suite, Adobe wins.
FreeCAD vs Siemens NX, NX wins.
Hell, FreeCAD vs Autodesk Inventor, FreeCAD still loses.
Blender vs Maya, Maya wins.
GNU vs Solaris, Solaris won (on technical merits).
systemd vs Windows Service Host, Windows Service Host wins.

Looks like you haven't seen projects which aren't useless autistic shit stuck in an infinite bikeshed loop.

way to move the goalposts faggot. You said proprietary software was well-built, and not an overbloated resource-hogging pile of enterprise quality(tm) crap, which is blatantly false.

everyone knows this is a retarded idea. Same with charging for music and ebooks. In the beginning, the price of software was included with the hardware, or covered as part of support contracts. And now having realized how retarded selling renting 1s and 0s is, everything is moving back to subscription services and streaming (albeit with crappy DRM).

and copyright is a jew scheme created by a company of publishing jews to jew authors by buying their manuscripts (along with the rights) for peanuts and selling copies without paying royalties.

Every programmer above "koding with karly" thinks they're big shit so they fuck up great code bases by calling them "obsolete" and rewriting a shit replacement from scratch, which will be scrapped for something worse later (until the project dies or goes irrelevant). There are rare exceptions like OpenBSD.
You mean the ones you erected? I gave great examples of proprietary programs which have to be user-oriented to get paid. Since FOSS doesn't use scarcity of copyright to derive payments that developers would need to rely on, to spend as much effort and time as it would take to not just half-ass it until it works just enough (because "It's FOSS! If it's broken you fix it! *Closed: nofix*"): FOSS projects which are touted as replacements for proprietary solutions are often anemic and fragile.
Yes proprietary sucks, but to plug your ears, stomp your feet, and sing "LA LA LA" to the fact FOSS often times sucks way worse (with *some* exceptions) is just dumb. Do you have a computer just to watch it boot and be stuck doing things in terms of pre-2000 tech (yet somehow be slower and less stable than the pre-2000 proprietary solutions, ON MODERN HARDWARE!).

You don't believe me? Load up a 500,000+ row CSV in LibreOffice Calc, and do the same in Excel 2010. Which one loaded faster (assume you launched the app first and went to File > Open, so as to give LibreOffice a chance)? Now, select all the data and go to your chart creation options. In LibreOffice, you will wait 5 minutes just for the window to open because the fuckheads developing it thought it'd be cute to make a "modern" spreadsheet which gave you LIVE PREVIEWS of the chart type selected in the window (which makes it crunch the whole dataset). Excel 2010 gives you the options without rendering previews with the data. Not only that, but that 5+ minutes LibreOffice Calc takes to get through all that data is far and beyond above the less-than 10 seconds Excel 2010 takes.

Above when I said shit coders should just write their code privately and not share it, rather than share a shit "works just enough" solution everyone is stuck with and has to waste time engineering around? I'm talking about projects like OpenOffice/LibreOffice, FreeDesktop, etc.

So, yea. Fuck you FOSS. At least the BSDs and illumos are trying to do it right (albeit at an iceberg's pace, which is better than what GNU became I guess).

what is this nationalistic agressive looking Firefox flag? does it have something to do with Cusco or the Jewish Autonomous Oblast?

like I needed any more proof Firecox devs are retarded. this would mean to get rid of this builtin cancer, you mark yourself as a 1% tinfoil hatter (via DNT header). never trust any retard who insists (((telemetry))) is important. When it's not malicious, they're just covering up for their pajeet code.

Thank you for all the proof that you're giving to help your opinion.

No.
And by that you just proved that you don't understand of licenses and people work.
I sell my services and the time that I passed on writing the software.
Yes I want to eat at the end of the day and all my code is under GPL.
If I do software for myself it's for myself.
I share it publicly to people and for the few that will use it I'll be happy that they found something that I made that helped them.
But the initial intention wasn't for a specific person besides myself.

Implying that I (or people) don't give a shit about anything.
Implying that I don't like doing my work correctly.
KYS

You get datamined by [insert non free program]
Source code of [insert non free program] or GTFO
You get datamined by [insert non free program]
Source code of [insert non free program] or GTFO
You get datamined by [insert non free program]
Source code of [insert non free program] or GTFO
You get datamined by [insert non free program]
Source code of [insert non free program] or GTFO
You get datamined by [insert non free program]
Source code of [insert non free program] or GTFO

Please show that this opinion is from a study and not from your mentally ill brain.

BSDfag totally not shilling it's software/cucklicense.

You have given example of commercial program who have enormous advertisement budget and who are shilling in public schools.

You mean software doesn't abuse the users by making them pay for the copypasted code more tan what it's worth ?
Want more functions/bug correct etc... ?
Pay a developer to do it.
It's has simple has that.

Are often tackled by other solutions they were accustomed too since school and because "it just works"that's what the normies want.
It just works and take the simplest solution that they were forced to use when in school even tho they get a dildo the size of Saturn V up their ass.

Ten+ years ago I would have said the same but nowadays I don't think so.

I have multiple CVS with more than a million line and it doesn't slow down the opening of the file.
The hardware where you installed LO must have been shit.
I agree tho the rendering is useless.
Make a ticket to the libreoffice team.

You do know that foss stand for "Free" has in gratis and "open source" has the shit open source initiative ?

Anyway there's no point continuing to argue with you you've made your mind with no real/correct reason.

Absolute pleb detected, I bet you also use backticks instead of $()

Nope. Blender is much more comfortable than Maya, you can get really high quality renders with it, the modelling tools work better than they do in Maya, AND it's not fucking GBs big.

Cuckoo

>It works and has removed mozillan botnet.
Can you prove it? I'd like it to be true

Yea right. Try working in a pipeline using Blender. It's a mess when it comes to rigging or animating and then passing files along to your next client. While Maya may be bloated, you are getting a solid core of tools; modelling, unwrapping, texturing, baking, animating and rigging. Yea with Blender you could spend time using plugins and so on, refining the process till it's smooth like butter. But at that point you could have just stuck with a industry level program like Max or Maya. Still, I respect Blender because it has come so far.

dunno, i use palemoon.

which by the way, crashes very often.

Pocket is still worse

Judging FOSS over the past few years isn't particularly fair considering the growth of sjw fuckwitted feminists that's been infiltrating and sabatoging from within. They even tried pushing Mark out of Ubuntu but failed miserably before setting their sights on the Firefox CEO who cucked out like a bitch.

duplicate thread of

It has been two years since that and the guy has never been so happy with his computer.
He doesn't have all the licensing problems that he had when his hardware is pwd.
Now he donates 10% of what he actually paid each year of is solidworks contracts to the blender foundation.

I disagree. Users have ZERO right to demand anything from developers when they haven't been hired for work. Free software means users are always allowed to fork the software. Free software developers serve their users but users have no entitlement to that.

Already switched to Chrome what's the point of using Fireshit anymore it spies on you AND it's slow as fuck

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I agree but I'm just correcting something.
Free software means users are (thus developers too) always allowed to be in control of the software.

How about the right to demand "obey the fucking privacy laws of the countries you operate in"?

you could not be more murica
Firefof literally is making software (((for people))) and that's the whole problem. Telemetry is (((for people))) because how will our shitty code not crash on facebook every 5 minutes otherwise.

If you read the links in the thread, the people note that there are no privacy problems. It helps to actually look at the details instead of relying solely on the deceptively imprecise nature of anonymous FUDslinging.

github.com/mozilla/addons-frontend/issues/2785#issuecomment-315212909

They've reversed course since this story blew up big around the the Internet.

They've made it so if you have DNT enabled the google analytics baked into Firefox won't send your info out.

Thanks lad, you just convinced me to dump Firefox. Will go Palemoon until a new actual Phoenix enters the scene.

Go read the Mozilla Github you faggot. They even make a false statement it seems. If they aren't giving the DATA to Google, then why use Google Analytics, when Piwiks which gives Mozilla their ownership of their own Data? In other words, these fucks are tracking people.

only for about: pages though. That might well be a bug.

Is the DNT turned on by default? If not, then they're still supporting tracking.

Anyway, it doesn't matter. If they had to wait for a backlash to disable this, then they will do it again and again. It's not the first time they did this (remember "directory tiles" ?).

Also, has anyone noticed that anytime there's a thread criticizing firefox here, a swarm of mozilla apologists come out to defend their anti-user decisions? Hard to believe, but it seems they truly have shills here.

then it's better to just not enable DNT (which makes you stick out because you send DNT header) and never click on the "get addons" tab

DNT is disabled by default in all browsers and always was

I just ran firecox on my isolated box to test how gay it is these days
>(((safe browsing))) cancer enabled by default
>wiki.mozilla.org/Security/Application_Reputation
>browser.safebrowsing.downloads.enabled: enables application reputation checks for downloaded files
> browser.safebrowsing.downloads.remote.enabled: enables remote lookups
>all kinds of (((UX))) stuff like popup text (luckily not modal dialog boxes) and animations
>1 blah blah marketing crap Create Firefox Account XDDD
>2 firecox homepage "Mozilla Firecox is free and open source software from the non-profit Mozilla Foundation. Know your rights"
>3 firecox browser privacy notice; >you are secure goy! >you are privacy goy!
>"tracking protection" enabled by default, which, according to the support page, is another piece of shit like (((safe browsing))) which just blocks a list of pages. note that this is separate from DNT, which is still off by default

pure cancer. why would I ever run such insufferable bullshit? just use Links or some crap like palememe if you need (((JS)))

Then don't use addons at all, use Windows 7 (or 10) with Chrome and no addons.
That's literally the only way to "blend in" with tracking.

>cancer, cancer, cuck, cancer, cuck, (((le scary jew parentheses))) cuck, cuck, cuck XDDDD
Kill yourself.

Pocket is some kind of per-user webpage archiving app. The archiving is done in the cloud of course, so it's completely useless to you as a user but useful for (((those))) who spy on you for ads.

It's time for Firefox to die. It lived long enough to turn bad. Someone should make a list of the current Firefox devs just in case they'll try to infiltrate future browser projects.

>>cancer, cancer, cuck, cancer, cuck, (((le scary jew parentheses))) cuck, cuck, cuck XDDDD
not an argument

github.com/ghacksuserjs/ghacks-user.js

why would you use DNT ever? not even (((pol))) is that stupid

>>cancer, cancer, cuck, cancer, cuck, (((le scary jew parentheses))) cuck, cuck, cuck XDDDD

The only real way to blend in is to use something like Tor Browser, which actually tries (i.e hundreds of KLOC) to mitigate the massive footprint modern webshit browsers leave on the web. Personally I just use Links and palememe with JS disabled because I don't want to sit around for a minute waiting for each article I open to load, nor do I want to wait 5 secods each time I attempt to move the scroll bar.

It would be theoretically possible to solve. Run the browser in some kind of container/VM, and bundle some (very, very small) OS in it. If the OS is 100-200 mb, you're still smaller than Firefox.

I think some modern fingerprinting relies on details of your graphics hardware. You'd still have to disable plenty of javascript.

The modern Internet is nearly unusable without Javascript.

Good riddance, since the modern Internet is cancer.

you are probably meaning badly coded modern internet

But you could include some graphics driver shim that artificially limits performance in the VM bundle.

Left = critical of capitalism

Not "waa they don't like my candidate".

Just checked out the binary, are we sure this isn't botnet?

Not sure if troll or real retard.

Is there a watch with MPV extension for that yet?

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Democrats aren't leftists no matter what bullshit Alex Jones spews into your hypnopaedia, faggot

Now you can pick cucked Firefox, or Chrome.

Great.

Go black to Holla Forums, please.

I don't get it t. retard

Using... this, for right now. I'm basically made out of kevlar; please see if you can bully a few holes into my thick skull over this choice.

I'm using it too, but only for normalfag activities, youtube and email.
I use tor for everything else.
Opera is botnet: closed source, privacy policy for their """vpn""" claims to bar you access to it if you post "offensive" stuff.

>>>/cuckold/

Get out of here, you incoherent namefag.

My only issue with chromium is how it uses enough RAM to create a simulation of our galaxy on an atomic level.

stop posting

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pale moon seems to work ok
because i don't want to use firefox ever again after reading that fucking cuckdev garbage on github

Iridum + Pale Moon masterrace.

wew

Fucking Americans. You have NO LEFT WING in your country. You haven't had left wing representation for decades. Trump, Clinton and (((Sanders))) are all right wing, each with different stances on economic issues. But all right wing.

What's wrong with Wordpress blog software? Is it a botnet?

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You joking, m8. This is what they tell to kids in European school because the US is not being pozzed as hard as us.
t. someone who heard this bullshit as a kid

Just install it and look where botnet like features was spooted in firefox and compare.
Plus, the maintainer of gnu icecat is Ruben Rodrigez he his the maintainer of Gnu Trisquel.
Trisquel which has removed chromium because it was too poozed to have any redemption.
If this guy thinks that the software can't be unbonneted then he wouldn't waist his time.

Please get raped and killed by the dindus your kind is importing.

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So Palemoon or Waterfox for no botnet (linux of course)

Palemoon is probably more tinfoil friendly, but it's also less compatible with some websites, and has some issues with certain kinds of videos.

For ad/tracking blocking I run privoxy as a local proxy just setup to block domains. As far as I can see all Firefox network connections go through the proxy so this might be something you could try.

smhtbqhfam

you're a good person thank you

The only tinfoil friendly browser is one that runs on openbsd. Which would be links/lynx. If you can get waterfox/palemoon to run on openbsd do tell how you did it and maybe submit patches upstream.

Blaming the "right wing media and governments" is one of the biggest memes ever.

That's modern internet.

Pale moon works fine with everything.

It's had some problems with mp4 video streams, and also I believe javascript mutation observers.

Mozilla has a legal agreement with Google to the effect that Google is meant to act like a dumb processor for the data before sending it all to Mozilla, and that they pinky promise not to look at it.
The fact that that idiot millennial "developer" tofumatt (Jesus Christ) actually believes this is reassuring in any way whatsoever just reflects the sad state of the industry.
lynch this generation
rip the future of programming

Anyone else using an older version of Firefox to avoid this shit?

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Reread the thread. There is NO WAY for nu-addons to block this shit, and old-style addon support is getting shoah'd in very near future.

Rock-stable for me. Are you sure you don't have faulty RAM?

blink video?
o.O

Correction: Palemoon works with everything that matters. If it doesn't work in Palemoon, you don't need it.

Because getting rid of the guy who bankrolls the whole thing is such a great idea. I see literally no way how this could end badly.

are you sure you don't have faulty BRAIN?

fucking Holla Forums and Holla Forums are such insufferable cancerous shitposters.

Just use an obscure fork or some other browser like midori or uzbl or some shit. FF has been shit for so god damn long now.

Classic.

u mad kike?
>>>/oven/

Nah

owned by microsoft