The farce of the alt-right

(((They))) are watching you

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First they name it, then they shape it, and last they destroy it. Yet a new monster will appear. We are the primordial darkness that they force to give birth to these monsters, so that they can slay them. Without it the darkness will consume them. So they battle their own monsters again and again, and they do bleed in these battles. All of these movements have an effect, even if they don't fully realize their potential. So GG destroyed Gawker, even if it didn't do more. Now the Alt-Right will do something, even if it's less than what we could have done without it. Then a new "movement" will "appear", and that too will damage the current order. So yes, we should fight their attempts to force us into movements, but our failures shouldn't discourage us. They are only slowing down what we started, but then can't stop us with movements, they are only buying time for themselves.

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Agreed

The second you play the popularity game instead of the ideas game, you get normietrapped.

I already hear the spencer/tds crowd making noises like they're going to start a huge feud with milo over "movement ownership". Instead of just plugging away at their show to create content, they're giving into drama, rather predictably I might add. It won't even be entertaining, is the worst part.

The public is literally nigger-tier. Any agents of cultural change have their faces shoved into the dirt by default. Don't play their game.

It's the only thing that nobody can really control.

Not really. Twitter has made it possible to pinpoint influential alt-right figures and de-radicalize/coopt them to minimize and/or silence dissent.

If you have (an) active social media account/s and are connected to influential alt-right people, you are effectively part of it.

and that's the nice plan
here's the scary one

No, because I'm not white. Keep networks separate.

We're seeing a loose (very loose) collective of ideals that the knuckledragging idiot will inevitably compartmentalize with a neat little label.

There's no use fighting it, or debating over shitty things like "leadership" or hard and fast rules. The only thing people should keep an eye out for is ideological consistency from an upper-level when it comes to accomplishing goals.

The second people start talking about internal politics of a group, is the second we become like any current establishment party, more concerned about arbitrary rules as opposed to ideological purity.

Look what's happened to the GOP.

The best way to ensure a lack of control is to have simple goals and simple views when it comes to what you and your sphere of influence wants, and that's by calling out shit rationally, and not bringing "X is Y" bullshit into it when it comes to concepts of membership and leadership.

tldr; Milo is a faggot, but he doesn't represent me.

Honestly I think that we eventually do need a label for our "movement" but it shouldn't be explicitly right wing or political at all. We should seek to advance and strengthen anonymity and anonymous communities on the Internet because if we have those than the far-right wins every single fucking time.

Identity on the Internet is the ultimate enemy in my opinion and we need to be the Umann Manda. If anonymous communities were the norm on the Internet rather than Reddit and Facebook than there'd be no stopping the truth, whatever it may be.

We are anons and anons only and that's the fundamental source of our power

This is true for us. 100% true.
But the problem, and I hate to admit it, is that almost any term is more useful to define us to the outside world than no term (the latter being like how things were until pre-2014-5). Now that practically everyone and their grandma knows about the alt-right, we can't really fall into obscurity and a lack of a label again, even if the media stopped naming the alt-right by tomorrow.

We can still be the Umman Manda, there's no denying that and nobody is going to force us to resign, but the normies now know of the Umman Manda. Pictures of smug frogs torturing unsuspecting bald white cancer patients are not a sight to be disposed of quickly.

What we can do from now on, is to separate ourselves from the parasites inside the Umman Manda, and form a more refined group with more drive that will restore their original values, and hopefully rule over the rest of them. This is how we take back what we lost. To be an enemy whose name is feared. This is the future we chose, either way, to dispose our ideas to the public in hopes of them catching up on our ideas and coming to our side. If this disposal over the years hadn't happened, we wouldn't even be having this conversation right now, as we'd be just a silent containment forum on the outskirts of the interbuttz with no prospects of expansion and dealing with its after-effects.

Now, the necessary actions needed to be taken are a whole different story. My take on it is to disassociate from and directly humiliate the cancer at first. I still haven't figured out a long-term plan, but I figure I'd need to level up on opsec and privacy to not get unexpectedly rekt by (((pure coincidence))). I mean, we're already exposed as we are, let's not make it harder on our privacy, shall we.

You don't understand what it is truly about. Our only plan should be doing what we've done so far. These movements will die, but we will still be here. So we just have to keep spreading our messages, because the enemy can't do anything with them. That's why they want to label us and present us as something people should keep away themselves from: they think it will protect people from the truth. If we tell them that niggers have a lower IQ, and it has evolutionary reasons, and do it in a funny and outright offensive way, then they can call us racist, but it won't change the facts. This whole thing is about information, and they can't win that war. So they want to control the narrative: they call us racist, and tell people not to listen to racists, even if what they say is true. But normalfags can't ignore shitposting, so they will pay attention to us. That is our true strength: we don't care about the narrative.

Then we do what we have the whole fucking time since the beginning. We are just Right. That's it. Everyone knows it and still nobody knows what fucking alt-right even is even if they've heard of it but everyone knows what Right is. Now stop pushing this shit.

Alt-right has no leaders. Read this because all of you faggots act like a name gives them any power.

voxday.blogspot.com/2016/09/taxonomy-vs-marketing.html

Please fuck off with this "we are not the alt-right" bullshit. Your autism is beyond acceptable levels.

You should not identify as alt-right. It is a movement/platform to promulgate ideas. A memetic vector, if you will.

Anyone who calls themself an 'alt-righter' should be shot. It is not a substitute identity. You may your own special snowflake ideology, but it must be compatible with the explicit goal of the alt right, which is to re-establish white sovereignty in their homelands.

But we are not the alt-right.

By this I meant that I can envision one or 2 stepping points to our way to victory, but can't totally make a plan for reaching them.

On the other hand, your example is wrong. The media don't paint truth and facts as their enemy now, but now rather choose to label controlled opposition as such. This controlled opposition is constantly advertised in a loop fashion, as the media reports on false truths, the controlled opposition shitposts false truths, then the media shits on those false truths (ad infinitum). That wasn't the case with things like racism and anti-Semitism, in which case the best option would obviously be not agreeing with the narrative.

But now we need to detach ourselves from the controlled opposition and return things to the state they were before: the pro-faggot pro-Jew etc alt-right being shit upon by its father (us) into oblivion, and then the real ideals we need to spread must rise on top again. That's the point from which we should basically trash the enemy narrative again and continue as we should.

It hasn't been working too good as of late, as it seems. We need to find a different approach and work smart to eradicate the recent cancer that's rooted on us.

voxday.blogspot.com/2016/09/alt-white-and-alt-west.html
voxday.blogspot.com/2016/09/of-alt-west-and-alt-white.html

I am. Holla Forums is not one person.

Enjoy the BBC then. I hope you didn't forget to buy Milo™'s Book.

Enjoy being an ignorant, insignificant snownigger.

Richard Spencer doesn't even like Milo.

There are three types of people in the alt-right.
Clinging on to this new kewl thing to make shekels.
How tell if someones a profiteer?
Regurgitating the same shit everyone has already said before and then… "BUY MY T-SHIRTS!"

Faggots trying to shape the Alt-Right into something it's not.
How tell if someones a co-opter?
"We should accept gays and jews to increase our numbers!"

How tell if someones a genuine?
Calling out lefties all day everyday and not giving a fuck about Twitter followers/e-fame etc.

Richard Spencer honestly seems like a huge pussy. Not to mention his 'implicitly white' comment, which makes me think that he's got more in common with Milo than his close companions want others to think.

Don't sorry user, no One here considers themselves a part pf the alt-right

We are undefinable, people have tried for ages and failed.

How so? Contrast my words and your own:
Again, they can't do anything with pointing out that niggers are aggressive and dumb. But we normally lack the means to do so. By calling their protests chimpouts we circumvent the whole media and point at the elephant in the room. That's the essence of our power. Now, here we are supposed to discuss things like why they are dumb and aggressive, and that can lead to enjoyable discussions. Same thing with jews, or how the bank system works, or how the current situation of the Middle East is a fucking joke: we can point out all these things.
Again, we aren't the father of anything, it's the media labelling us so. It will create a movement, and the movement will lose its steam and stops. But we will still be here. So that's why we don't need a plan or anything like that. We don't have to "work smart", we have to keep up the intellectual discussion to find out truths. The discussion will naturally lead to new maymays that will spread through the internet, and so they will spread our ideas.

Frankly, all these alt-right threads seem like nothing more than thinly veiled Milo-Hate threads.

While I have no issue with hating Milo, if we never had these threads, 8/pol/ would have zero Milo threads, which is the nest number of milo thread imo.

It's like you're begging to get fucked by jews. It clearly started as something identitarian. Whatever dudes, your problem.

Enjoy your pan-white totally not globalists tee hee bullshit, you dumb goy.

why do you think the 0.0001% and the elite families who own most of the central banks of the world never show themselves or give their group a name?

I don't think enough people realize this. We aren't Alt-right, we aren't Neo-nazis, we aren't Esoterecists. The best way to describe may be Holla Forumsacks but even that stinks of halfchan faggotry to me. Don't attach yourself to a cause yet.
NAMING US ALT-RIGHT IS THE BAIT

Fixed that for you.

It says pronationalism for all. It makes sense to support Israel as a place to send kikes. Gas all of the ones that don't go there, though.

precisely

A primary goal of Marxism was to destroy identity so they'd be the only identity remaining and the only ones building anything.

Congratulations, you got yourself goyed.

That's about national identity, not internet movements, you faggot. Notice how Cultural Marxists deny that they are Cultural Marxists if you name them. They know that not having a concrete identity is incredibly good if you want to spread ideas.

It's called the

HALT KIKE

movement, where did you get that SRS bastardization?

HALT KIKE
HALT KIKE
HALT KIKE
HALT KIKE

Some of us did, Greg. It's still ongoing.

The problem with Vox Day is that as his ego grows, so does the amount if faggotry and censorship on his blog. He has some fucking nerve to complain about Scalzi when he does the same things.

What we're seeing now is merely a continuation of the never-ending old Holla Forums bitch fest between NatSocs and Libertarians. I think it's obvious to anyone that isn't a Johnny Come Lately, and all the newfags whining about faggot Jew niggers and "Holla Forums isn't alt-right" are really showing their colors.

The alt-right is a simple fucking concept. It's an alliance of convenience between two broad ideological groups - white nationalists and classical liberals. We share a common enemy and a presidential candidate. People from both sides embarrass themselves by bitching about the alt-right being a "movement" that someone is trying to "co-opt". And I have a strong suspicion that the ones losing sleep over co-opting nigger loving jew faggots are 50-something year old stormfags who can't adjust to the pace of 21st century socio-political dynamics (especially those established in the crucible of board culture.)

Vox Day is a member of La Raza Cosmica and openly promotes race mixing as a political end goal. He is not a good source.e

Although to some extent this could be interpreted as a call to not unite and stay powerless… I really like how rejecting potentially damaging, "confining", uncontrollable labels can save European internet and political dissidence to the current genocidal anti-White establishment from control and defamation by our enemies.

And away we go.

Educate yourselves, faggots

Literally nobody said that. Develop reading comprehension skills or fuck off back to 4chan.

Bullshit, he's a conservative nationalist (at best) that shits on National socialists. At least Holla Forums isn't on that cancerous infograph.

So… Just the right?

You retards don't understand the damn thing about why alt-right is to never be used. When the neocons hijacked the GOP from the Old Right, did they call themselves the alt-right? Fucking no. It's just right and that's what we literally are. Don't fucking call yourself alt-right. Hijack keep within a mainstream label like the neoliberals did from the actual classical liberals. Make it damn fucking clear that you ARE THE RIGHT. YOU ARE LITERALLY RIGHT. Holla Forums IS ALWAYS RIGHT.

What's the difference? Identity is identity.

You'll find most of them don't believe Cultural Marxism is a real movement, because most of them are useful idiots. The ideas of the left spread quickly and affect people viscerally because they are centered on concrete identities.

The neocons didn't call themselves "the Right," they called themselves neoconservatives, a similar term to the New Right and the Alt-right.

You must be from a shithole of a country if posting on a site dedicated to Taiwanese puppet shows is the same being part of a nation.
Yes, they use identity politics. Whites vs blacks, men vs women, healthy people vs homosexuals. But they themselves recoil in horror if you label them as what they truly are: Cultural Marxists. Instead they only use the labels that are part of their narrative, like feminist and anti-racist.

It's quite interesting that some of you are so invested in and defensive over a name not created by anybody here, nor any libertarians, nor anybody associated with the right, but by the main stream media and their SJW social media attack dogs, who began spamming this label in great volume in the wake of gamergate, not long after gamergate was rejected by Holla Forums. It's quite telling that a left wing label that they gave you (and several others who have politics contradictory to this site,) forced over and over again like a forced meme, is the label that you not only want them to identify you as, but go so far as to attack others on the right who don't adopt this left wing portrayal of the right.

It's even more telling that you would try to attempt this on a board that has, historically, always been averse to labels of any kind, well before the term "alt-right" even really was known to anybody. I can only wonder why this would be, though the answer seems quite obvious to anybody who has been here since before you started forcing this meme.

Identity can be ideological as well as genetic and cultural, goofball.

Again, most of them don't believe Cultural Marxism is real.

Something important to notice here is that yes, they do employ identity labels and no, they don't hours each day trying to convince each other that they should drop all the labels in fear that the right wing are going to infiltrate with secret white homophobe racists. Learn from that.

That's a lie.

They talk about the Alt-right because they're scared of us.

That's also a lie. Most of the board identified a few years ago as either Nazi/NatSoc or Libertarian. Those are labels. "White," "American," "European," and "right-wing" are labels too.

"Nazi" actually was a leftist slur at one point in time, but due in large part to it being a label for serious enemies of the (((left))), "Nazis" are taken seriously as a threat by the left and the label is popular on the right today.

They most likely come from places like TRS, which did embrace the "alt-right" label before the MSM and SJWs knew about it. They have been trying to put us in their umbrella since many of them either originated from Holla Forums or tried to mix in, while actually they distanced themselves when they decided that they would crawl out of anonymity.

We are not the "alt-right", you kike. The "alt-right" is a label made so that the opposition can stick whatever they want on those who accept being part of it. They'll appoint some supposed leaders and the message will be neutered. You think that Norm Al Fag won't believe what he's told by CNN? He's gonna eat it all up, hook, line and sinker. Ditch the name you retard, otherwise you're not better than Dicky implicitly homosexual Spencer.

And metal can mean gold or steel or titanium or potmetal, yet not all of them are the same. If you think this is in the same category as cultural identity, then you are either mistaken or don't belong to a strong culture.
And why is that? Oh right, you can easily expose them for what they really are and where their road leads us simply by pointing out that all of these movements have a common origin and operate in the same way. Most of them are useful idiots as you say, so they don't even want to realize this.
All these labels are based on stronger, already existing identities and behaviour. Feminism is based on females' self-serving nature and weak males' slavish need to please females. Black isn't even their label, they just employ it. And so on and so on.
They have the upper hand, so they don't have to fear this. We have to deal even with the attention of secret services. And this whole alt-right thing is about making a movement for us that they can actually attack.

But we aren't alt-right, I have nothing to do with those faggots.

Nope

You're full of shit. American is a person's literal nationality, so to is their literal heritage as being of European diaspora. This is not nearly equivalent to a politically label and you know that. Typical jewish false equivalence. NatSoc and libertarian are historical, well-defined political philosophies that have existed for generations and are convenient for debate, many here agree with the political philosophies of NSDAP led Germany, it's completely different animal from your jewish "alt-right" meme which means anything the left wants it to mean.

What's the big deal with faggots? I know plenty of faggot traps who are alt-right as fuck.

That's the point, their existence is reducing the white birthrate either directly or indirectly. They all deserve the >>>/bog/

The problem with that mentality is that you don't need to defend others before looking for your own interests. Notice that Israel isn't doing shit to stop refugees of peace from entering Yurop or Burguerland. And how the idea of a wall hurts them to the fabric of their soul. If enforcing their sovereignty is giving you nothing or even worse, then maybe stop because those aren't good allies to have.

As soon as the election's over you'll get bored and fuck off so keep preaching what you're preaching. It's Holla Forums memes and not AmRen talks what has moved public opinion.

If they're closeted, not much really. But it's behavior that a healthy society would shame and that just causes friction. Trannies don't like it when you say that cutting your dick doesn't make you a woman or that them using the woman's toilet is an invasion of your daughter's privacy. Dysphoria is real but mentally ill people shouldn't be leading the pack. In a way it's a bit what caused the downfall of libertarianism, it started as something that tried to favor localized politics and ended with weed lmao, sexual perversions and bodyposi.

Common Filth did nothing wrong.
We deserve the genocide we're receiving. I'd tell you to kill yourself, but you're already dead, faglover.

Not really shills.

I used to say "at least Milo and Alex Jones make people vote Trump and hate SJWs" but I realised that purplepills are a dead fucking end.

Yes, only those that stay pure to the cause should be put forth.

BUT WE NEED TO BE THE ONES TO DO IT.

Also, Ben Shapiro was a Libertarian plant for sure.

I disagree with this.

I'm not saying follow just anyone who claims to be a leader, I'm saying follow someone who proves themself true to the cause, a good honest man who is a REAL leader. All these people who claim to "govern" us are all pieces of shit, only in it for themselves, they are not leaders.

Just look at what Hitler was able to accomplish when enough people followed him.

My point is, we do need a leader. A REAL leader.

cells dummy, not simply lone wolf. 3-5 man groupings formed for specific projects, then disbanded once it is complete. No need to get attached since it's only for a job.

You don't need leaders, only specialists. If you're so blind as to need to rally around a guy for your movement, then you'll end up a millstone at any action being taken. Think cells, not movements.

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(((Libertarian)))

wow what a quick thinker you are, a round of applause for you

Autists get overly attached to things.

The Alt-Right is their white-armed Sonic.

We shapeshifting cloud monster now

As long as we are decentralized we can be anyone, anywhere and that will always haunt the big schemers.

I'm a GG veteran by the way. I still follow it from time to time, but the whole election thing has kind of dragged me away from it. Say what you will about GG, it did help create the beginning of the awareness of mass media corruption for lots of people, myself included.

If you're not a full blown Nazi that wears SA fatigues to work every day you're a shill for Jewish interests.

Globalist kikes? Classical liberals love free trade and jewish rights.

I was referring to the radical left.

Big banking globalist kikes are a far greater threat and the classical liberals obey their every fucking word… as does the radical left. They just use different language.

Anyone who's not a nationalist is an enemy.

What about the cucked "nationalists" who say we should support the existence of Israel because "nationalism for everybody (except the Palestinian)"?

Calling yourself a nationalist isn't enough, you have to be anti-jewish.

I like fatigues, but I'm a nigger lover and bi fag. I like the work being done here, but the focus on race shit just seems like more of the problem we faced from SJWs in GG. Evolve beyond race and into ideas.

You will be killed.

You will be slaughtered.

You will be executed.

ooh hurt me babie

I've been saying this for months. We aren't alt right. We're simply right, or centre right. We're common sense and we're right.

Serious question, in what ways are you different from a cultural libertarian?

Obviously. But even an enemy can be an ally of convenience within a particular situation. I didn't suggest that we actually modify our values to accommodate anyone. And I don't think Milo and gang would want much to do with us either. But ultimately some kind of network has been developed which may very well survive this election cycle. Isolating ourselves from anyone who isn't ideologically identical will only make it easier for the market liberals to take complete control of the ideological crucible and push nationalism back into the shadows. That's unacceptable.

Yet another shill thread trying to convince Holla Forums to disavow the people who are actually doing shit.

The fact of the matter is, when I go out with a group of people and do some activism that makes national news this actually happened, we can't call ourselves "Holla Forumsacks", even though every single one of us browses Holla Forums.

Besides, we need to reach people who don't use the internet much, but still are ripe for redpilling.

So have most of the big commentators on the alt-right.

Get off my board already you fucking cuck.

Your blood is your nation
race and nationalism are inherently intertwined

I dunno. I dont really give a fuck about the labels, I just know what I believe in as an individual.

here's an idea lolberg
>>>/cuckchan/
>>>/reddit/

That's cute, but saying racists need to move beyond race is probably not going to work. Racism is inherently identity politics and that's not necessarily evil.

No, I dont think it is, I just think race looks less important in the grand scheme of things. We evolved from something and we will evolve into something else, and you can't really control that, unless you think you can control who people will stick their dick in forever. Ideas are more permanent, less able to be tarnished by time. Race is biology, which changes to meet ever changing conditions.

I'm all for the survival of the fittest, but the ability to "cry for welfare" should not be a parameter in evolution.

Race is unimportant in the larger scheme of things - freedom of association is not. If whites want to segregate and deny 'service' or residency to a black person, capitalism requires they be granted it - or else you're going to get The United States of Civil Rights 1960s and bullshit like calling people by their "proper pronouns" or else being sued.

Accepting the precedent set by disallowing freedom of association in America has created the SocJus movement, and if the Heart of Atlanta Motel supreme court case is not overturned, this will continue.

What's being done right now will be easily stopped the moment it benefits the globalist class. On a dime, they can switch the MSM narrative - they're just making sure whites are thoroughly fucked over before they start preaching virtues of 'free market' and all that bullshit - basically after they've thoroughly fucked over the white populace. They'll be like "Oh, we admit we were wrong - it's actually better that people have free trade everywhere."

Anything to prevent another Hitler.

He's a sharp, well-disciplined guy, who never punches to the right, and I respect him for it. OTOH, he does have a few blind spots, his massive ego, which makes him susceptible to flattery, for starters his sycophantic commentariat just adds fuel to that fire. He's also emotionally attached to Christianity and Anglo-protestant liberalism, which sometimes clouds his judgement. He's not the libertarian Christian he used to be, though. He learns.

We're going through the biggest paradigm-shift since the Reformation. When it's over, liberalism will be kill, just like communism. What comes out the other side may not be NatSoc, but it will be fascistic. Deal with it.

Holla Forums needs to remain a shapeshifting hydra. We can be Aut-Right when it suits us. Something else when it doesn't. As long as we keep shifting the Overton Window in the right direction, we can't go wrong.

mm

The websites DailyStormer and Stormfront,just to name a few, are controlled by Jews.

Jews need boogie men(outside of the real boogeyman of hostile arabs in the middle-east)t point to.

Jews can point and say,"Look at what's happening in america.The nazis are rising again,we need more rules,more laws,"etc.

The holocaust exaggerations have faded from the memory of todays young people,so new a boogeyman must be created.
In comes the white nationalist website boogeyman.

Most of these web-sites have donations and memberships.

ID's can be had through these,not to mention if you use your real IP to promote antisemitism.

Your Ip will be entered in the JDL league's database.

The day of the rope may be coming anons and you may be at the wrong end of it.

I tell all these fags this.
When you make comments about nationalism/deporting groups back to africa etc and all this hard man shit… you are literally threatening the existence of people.

And when they think the threat has grown big enough, they will simply come and kill you. And the funny thing is, you kind of deserve it.

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Her speech, her plan. You lefty faggots need to up the dosage on your meds.

We always say no fags and always will. Which is why you can fuck off now. Hope that, clicks in your head.