Freemasonry

So my uncle just asked me to join the Freemasons. I’m pretty skeptical about it. What should I know about then before I decide? Anyone with red pills on this thing? Also general secret society thread

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If you are satanist, then go on. I would recommend ask him what is his level and why he wants you to join him. Also what is the name of his club?
You do not have to join them if you are searching for the truth, you may find it outside!
Just look at the flat horizon at any altitude and you will know that the earth is flat and stationary :)

I’m not sure what his level or lodge is but I’ll be sure to ask him next time. He’s been in it for 20 plus years so I imagine it’s pretty high. I’ve heard rumors of them being Satanists and believing that Satan is actually a good guy. But that does sound like tinfoil hat talk and anyone can make up anything so it’s hard to know if that’s true or not

I’m glad you discovered the earth is flat, did you also know that pigs fly but only when your not looking?

Organization of manlet child-murderers and shabbos goys.

Do you have any kind of proof to back that or is that just rumors?

freemasons have been kiked for close to 100 years or so. regardless, it opens up opportunities to you that weren't available before. as long as you dismiss any delusions of grandeur then it's a good choice to make. you pretend to be christian in exchange for something that resembles nepotism for job opportunities. you won't go hungry again.

A serious response. It's a old man's club, while it helps knowing someone it's very un-needed to join. You meet weekly to conduct a meeting and say some prays, you then donate and give all your free time doing activities, often charity related. That's it. If you are looking for some new old order or to make contacts with people of power, you will have no luck. Fancy joining a old man's club and making some friends and being closer to god, have fun.

Could you elaborate on that more? Every time I’ve ever spoken to mason about what they believe it’s always a vague response and they don’t go into anything specific, it’s like trying to nail jello to a tree. I guess that’s the point of secret society’s though.

What I’m curious about is which god do they believe in? What do they actually teach? I’ve heard of jahbulon before as the grand architect and final name of god for masons, but many masons deny that and it’s hard to know for sure.

I’d like to know from the start which god or belief they have instead of jumping through hoops and to be told what it is 15 years later when I may no have been compatible from the start

It does seem like a big networking club though

it's just a bunch of old fat guys sitting around jerking off on each other.

depending on where you live it can keep you out of trouble, but joining makes you a traitor tbh and you should be lynched tbh

I know about freemasons I study the occult but I don't practice it and I'm going to tell you this. This is a warning to you but what you choose to do with your life is your choice.

Free masons were founded by the knights of templar after they were exposed in 1312. They pretended to be Christian but really were worshiping Lucifer. There's traces to the baphomet and the knights templar.

After they dispersed they started making other different orders/secret societies which one happens to be Freemasons. The Freemasons pretend to be Christian but really aren't. If you join they will make you get on you knees and swear an oath to the brotherhood with a sword to your neck youre in secret oath. If you look at famous celebrities and mainstream media it's nothing but masons. 33 is the highest degree. Most people don't even get to 10th degree. But those that go up will start to be read and taught about Albert Pike, his book Morals and Dogma in which he says Lucifer is God.

Eventually they'll get into different societies to learn real black magic such as the Kabalah. There's a real spiritual warfare all I can say is do your research first and be wise.

Very interesting post. Do you have any recommended readings?

Also do you know why thy worship Lucifer? Do they think he’s a good guy or something?

From what I’ve been able to gather ( which is far from complete ) is that they want to control knowledge since knowledge is power. Lucifer is supposedly the knowledge bringer going back to the story of Adam and Eve in the Bible. My understanding is they view him as the good guy and not the evil one that we think of. But again it’s hard to know unless your there and I’m not about to swear an oath to satan

Not really helpful tbh you should try harder tbh

How do you know that?

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The answer is blindingly obvious. There are two possibilities.

The kooks are right: after reaching some success and being one of them for a decade or two you'll be slowly rising into the real power behind the world. Start a business and you'll have investors. You'll have all the money and sex you want. The world is your oyster.

The kooks are wrong, and you'll "just" find a community of people that provide support, help each-other out and feed the poor.

Either way I wish I were in your shoes.

every lodge or orient or jurisdiction is controlled by the senior members. each does or doesn't agree with the others. some are catholic, others turn a blind eye to benevolent jews. whatever the obedience, the reverse of what this post asserts is the truth. there are masons of all ages, all confessions and all motivations,even if (in 2017/8) the primary reasons for joining are personal validation, commercial and/or career networking opportunities, plus decent food.

Waste of dubs tbh. Must be winter break….


Or the third possibility that all that good stuff you mentioned is really a front for a Satanic cult that’s going to twist me into something evil if I were dumb enough to let that happen. Why can’t you join them?

you cant just invite yourself in, they recruit from christians and slowly turn them into satan worshipers.

when they ask if you believe in god the first time just say yes or you get kicked out jabulon is basically a corrupted version of kek anyways.
But the last time they ask you if you believe in god in front of the committee you need to say you believe in satan/devil or you wont get to hang around elites.

Did you go through the process yourself?

Also why are they so hung up on Satan? Why worship him versus Jesus, themselves, or some other version of imaginary friend? There’s gotta be a reason their hung up on Satan

i am aware of a couple of masons and they are really fine and really chill people, it's fun to joke and theorize, but the masons just represent a lot of things to a lot of different people, that's all. They are also very charitable which inspires a lot of people to join too.

You can just walk away at any point. You'll lose the contacts but that's no more than you're starting with. I can join them, but by being invited by a family member means you have a fast lane to the inner circles. I would be on the outside for 20 or 30 years before I could reap any significant benefits.

no lol i just read on imageboards mostly Holla Forums how the nazis banned freemasonry and there are a few nazi era booklets in german about how jewish they are.

in finland i keep hearing that we only have 3 degrees + the elected chief mason who goes to the international events to recieve the global agenda or whatever, you dont get to hang with any real elites in joining here.
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There are these different branches and they all have different bullshit in them but its all the same bullshit,

It's basically a golf club where instead of playing a 18 hole, you roleplay around some medieval guild brotherhood rituals for 10 minutes, go to dinner with people who like to hear themselves talk endlessly and call it a night.

it's not by definition a rich people club, but like golf it's only interessting for lazy old dude who are really bored. You usually have "homework" to do, history research, philosophical research, stuff like that. If you just finished your university degree this is not something you want to dive back in.

Only prerequisite is that you have to believe in a monotheistic religion with a sacred text (so you can swear and substitute said God as "the Great Architect" for ritual purposes).

Satanism allegation is propaganda from major religions (Christianity and Judaism). They don't really like it when people tap into their customer base. In addition, in France for instance, free mason are mainly responsible for inspiring the separation of state and church. You can guess how happy Christianity was with that turn of event.
Some of the rituals are heavily inspired from esoterism and pre-monotheistic religions (the one that inspired the Old Testament, Babylonian legends / deities), so it's also considered majorly heretical (i.e. satanistic)

It's not a cult, quite the opposite. It's easy to get into a cult but hard to get hard. Free Masonnery is the opposite. Literally no one gives a shit if you get out or only come once every two years.

Around lodges / obediances, there are fraternities where people of the same profession gather for alternatives purposes (dinner, dinner, dinner). This is where contacts are made. It's usually frowned upon to only participate at the fraternity level but not on the free mason level.

I'm not a free-mason. This is just what I read and what I gathered from left and right. Sorry for the multiple approximations.

But can you though? If they’re putting a sword to your throat to swear oaths and your worshipping Satan like what is suggested here it seems pretty dangerous. It could be one of those deals where there are circles within circles and only the people most open to the idea get to even hear it. Ultimately sounds like a weird club for social networking


Interesting stuff I’ll try to find more on Holla Forums thank you

Interesting observation. I’m ok with it being a social club. I just don’t want to fall into some weird shit.

It seems like there’s two takes on the subject

The first take believes that it’s just a big social club with a little bit of selected history put in

The second take believes that it’s Satan and incredibly dangerous.

What to do what to do…..

My Grandfather is a Past Master (previous worshipful master i.e. the leader of a lodge)

At the lower levels it's really about living by certain values expressed symbolically ("esoteric" BS) and networking (i.e. helping fellow masons in any way you can and advancing each other)

Join, if you stay at the lower levels it is more than worth it (even though you're not supposed to join for your own advancement)

My grandfather was apparently a mason as well but he passed before I got to really know him.

Did your grandfather ever talk about what they believe? Just wondering there is a tldr that sort of sums up what I’m walking into

It's full of niggers and kikes, low-iq useful idiots who like to LARP as something other than the degenerate mongrels that they are. You'll find that a lot freemasons are physical and mental manlets like Nicolas Sarkozy, who wear high heels to appear tall and wear glasses to appear smart. A den of degenerates.

Rarely, in hushed tones and behind closed doors. My two uncles were much more open.

At the lower levels it has nothing to do with satanism or that BS. It really is just a bunch of guys that believe in being "on the level" and such, all trying to advance each other and each others interests.

As for the upper levels I have nothing but Holla Forumsack material for you but I'll say this: My grandfather and my uncles were good decent men (all worked in the military and NASA, family men, have had good and successful lives)

The higher levels are what I would tell you to avoid.

If you like getting drunk and philanthropy (helping children) then join up with the Shriners (bunch of muslim based rituals and shit) but they actually do good work for children.

I'm still debating on joining myself.

At this point it's obvious you've already decided it's a dangerous satanic cult and are only still ITT to beg for attention.

Not really. Like I said it's very esoteric and symbolic. You aren't going to get any luciferianism or shit like that at the lower levels.

Much of it is just a bunch of interesting lore and comparing values with concepts (i.e. A brick mason would ensure his work is "true" or leveled, you likewise should be truthful or "on the level" That kind of shit)

Masonic religious aspects are just a cover for their subversive criminal activities, which consist mostly of electing, hiring, appointing and promoting their fellow degenerates who'd never ever in a million years reach a position of power or influence on their own, that's why these talentless hacks promote socialism, communism and r-type culture at every opportunity. Masons are highly insecure, neurotic people with sociopathic & psychopathic tendencies who move in herds for the sole reason that there's strength in numbers.

Not saying that you are wrong in any way there user. I've been on chans since 06 and a Holla Forumsack most of that time.

Both sides of my family were either marginally or heavily into Masonry depending on the generation.

At the bottom levels it's mostly a bunch of guys who think they're into something special/sekrit club and will hold to certain principals (in-group - Out-group, keeping secrets, hierarchy, nepotism , etc.)

My uncles have their opinions on it as well. One quit the shriners after 9/11 because all of the islamic symbology and praising allah. He still gives to certain shriner causes though and is a "mason in good standing" - which means he pays his dues.

The other worked at NASA and launches shit for Boeing now that the cape closed down. was in another particular masonic group similar
to the shriners, but I don't remember the name. He said that they "Take it WAAYYY too serioously." and said it to many family members.

Just join up, wear the ring, put the square and compass on your car, meet people and reap the benefits.

Avoid the higher levels, be smart. They won't "tap" you if they think you would never go with it.

If you're not religious and do not believe your soul would be damned for participation then take advantage of the opportunities it affords you.

You could make more money and then secretly fund anti-masonic sites if you fucking wanted too.

Also is being a little /x/tier here.

That's because you've been conditioned to believe that. They aren't satanist, they're Luciferian, and the truth is much stranger than any 'tinfoil' you've ever heard.

I haven’t decided anything. Just trying to get info


When I said “tin foil hat talk”, I meant that when it comes to secret society’s people tend to spread rumors. The more secret, the more wilder the rumor.


I’ll keep an open mind. What do you have to say on the subject? Are you implying that Satan has gotten a bad rep and is actually a good guy?

This, sort of. Not all, but a lot.


Longer than that.


Yes.


It's an "old mans club" but this is a very generic shill response when asked, mostly to get you curious enough to join. The rest of this post is wrong and reeks of shillery.


This.


This guy did his research. Unfortunate for them… We discovered and began our magical warfare against them. We already won in the future.


It's both and the reason why is because of Karma. They do a lot of shit they know is karmic taboo so they are trying to 'balance it out'. Unfortunately doing that is also bad karma so its working against them.


It's not "vs Jesus" Lucifer IS Jesus to them. Do your research. You'll get a lot more info than Holla Forums can provide.


Holla Forums can provide you much more info than you'll get on Holla Forums, given you ask genuinely and not to stir shill posts up and slide the thread you're in.


Shill.


Gas yourself for considering.

Yes, fucking DO IT. You'll get a lot of great perks and benefits like getting hired easier. It's basically a trade union with religious elements. But you can be part of any religion to be a Mason, it just has to be some kind of religion

Considering joining myself but I need my life more together first

Sometimes the truth is wild.

You should stop using buzzwords to discuss this kind of thing, if you want truth you must ask truthful questions.

Ok. So what’s the truth?

Everything is true.
Even false things are true.

I don't know man, I didn't do it.

But why though? The only reason I could think of is that they don’t think he’s evil, or the opposite that they think he’s evil and have decided to go with it


Trying which is why I started the thread to hopefully get some starting points. It would be great to hear more but I’d also like to know where to start

If it’s a good cause that helps people then sure but if it’s this Satan shit then hell no

You keep hinting at “the truth” like you know what it is, so if you do please share or at least give me the place to start looking.

If you have to ask these questions on Holla Forums of all places it really shows that you're too lazy to do any research at all, thus you are entirely uninterested in anything besides stroking your own dick pretending you already know the answers to the questions you ask.

I will give you a few hints for you to go out and find the answer yourself.

Nous. Logos. Demiurge
Affirming. Reconciling. Denying.
Creating. Maintaining. Destroying.
God. Jesus. The Holy Spirit.
Brahma. Vishnu. Shiva
Birth. Life. Death

Everything is cyclical, nothing is new.

Try >>>/fringe/ or >>>/blzb/
Also pic related might be a good early read for you if you want to avoid going through a ton of nonsense.


Life isn't always about objective answers, sometimes the answers are hidden in concepts. Sometimes different things are the same. Sometimes something was nothing at all.

If you think the truth (or lackthereof) can be explained in words you will be mistaken.

woooooooooooooooooooooooo

Aren't you mysterious and shit

Your projecting sir. I’m not the one acting high and mighty with all the answers that aren’t answers about truths that aren’t truths.

You keep talking about the truth like you know it, and you don’t seem to be trolling so just talk to me to straight about what you think the truth is because I am interested.


Well said, how can one know the void? Perhaps you would be interested in either the platform or diamond sutras

The correct form would be "You're projecting, sir. And do not call me a Sir, you are not the queen.


Give not to those who don't understand the answers which they refuse to seek.

I already told you the truth. The truth is…

Sri Syadasti Syadavaktavya Syadasti Syannasti Syadasti Cavaktavyasca Syadasti Syannasti Syadavatavyasca Syadasti Syannasti Syadavaktavyasca

Everything (nothing) is:

True in some sense.
False in some sense.
Meaningless in some sense.
True and False in some sense.
True and Meaningless in some sense.
False and Meaningless in some sense, and…
True and False and Meaningless in some sense.

You will never comprehend duality with an objective singular mindset. If you truly seek answers, you must find them and forget everything you thought you knew about anything.

But I am seeking. Your just being a high and mighty asshole about it. Which I don’t see why. Maybe your just full of yourself and don’t have any answers at all because you say a lot of nothing

Look up those sutras


What does that even mean? It’s like a word salad. Anyone can talk mysteriously a smash interesting words together. a true master could explain it clearly. I guess your on the lower level or just a larger. Shame. I thought you had something….

*larper

Seek harder. Rather, as is said. Lurk moar.

With limitless tools at your disposal, you chose to come to Holla Forums to seek answers to your silly questions. Some of us have the answers you want, but this being Holla Forums, we won't give them to you, not without our own amusement that is.

A true master has no reason to do so.

Nonetheless I shall write what is neccessary for now.
You ask "how is one to understand objectively" to which I can say that there is no answer.
Either Partial Understanding or Impartial Understanding.

In order to understand go ahead and see not only what is contained, but also in what it itself is contained.
It's implied that if one wants to understand then all understanding of it will become plain as soon as a Man accepts this understanding.

If you ask us "how is one to understand" you say that you do not understand, and you go even further by losing even your lack of understanding of anything.
Understanding of it cannot be given to you because, you see, all that you can receive are more words in order to explain words.
If you have not understood the first set of words you will most likely not understand the second set of words.

So I say we could speak a lot about the things you have asked but know this, that nothing of it can benefit you before you have not understood the most simple thing about it.

As of now you hope to acquire a certain something for yourself, but are you also ready to accept what will be given to you?

The real Truth about it is so simple that people do not want to accept it. It makes a man feel small, and many strife to become tall.

I don’t think doing that is a bad thing. You can learn a lot from Holla Forums(and become dumber if your not careful). I’ve gotten more info in this thread than some (((google))) search.


That’s cool. I’d do the same.

Yet here you are

You ask "how is one to understand objectively" to which I can say that there is no answer.
Either Partial Understanding or Impartial Understanding.
In order to understand go ahead and see not only what is contained, but also in what it itself is contained.
It's implied that if one wants to understand then all understanding of it will become plain as soon as a Man accepts this understanding.
If you ask us "how is one to understand" you say that you do not understand, and you go even further by losing even your lack of understanding of anything.
Understanding of it cannot be given to you because, you see, all that you can receive are more words in order to explain words.
If you have not understood the first set of words you will most likely not understand the second set of words.
So I say we could speak a lot about the things you have asked but know this, that nothing of it can benefit you before you have not understood the most simple thing about it.
As of now you hope to acquire a certain something for yourself, but are you also ready to accept what will be given to you?
The real Truth about it is so simple that people do not want to accept it. It makes a man feel small, and many strife to become tall.

Well said. Who can make the muddy water clear? Be still and it becomes clear. Who can secure the position of rest? Let movement go on and the position of rest secures itself

I’ll say it again. Who can know the void?
Interesting discussion.

haha! I like you.

Lack of reason isn't the same as reason for lack. I don't operate by reason, I gave up concepts such as that a long time ago.

To simplify the entire post
You can. But only you can. Nobody else can for you, but someone can provide that information to you and you can begin your journey.

Fnord.

I think you’ll appreciate this.
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I understand that truth in it of itself cannot be separated, and therefore cannot be explained. Mystics call this ineffable. We can discuss this more if you like

But what I’m more interested in is if the Freemasons are in fact Satanists, why? And what’s their agenda? Or my uncles….

Satanists, Luciferains, Christians. The thing is that they are all of the above. It's as diverse as any organization, secret or not. Some know what it's about and join it, some know and don't join, others are in it and still don't have a clue, others don't even know it exists.

That's why the truth is many.

Is it though? If Albert Pike declares that god is Lucifer, and they declare jahbulon to be the name of the great architect, then its not about diversity.

I gotta give it to em though, they keep their secrets pretty well guarded. Everywhere I looked I’ve never been able to pin down exactly what they believe.

does anyone know of any genuine lovecraftian cults?
i remember about a year ago there was some guy on here claiming to be a priest of one, and saying all kinds of strange but interesting rants.

free masonry is just a bunch of guys talking and being mature, its essentially a "gentlemans club" but if you just looked at the name and not what it is. Its a mature setting that puts a highlight on order, rules, and a few other similar things with a bunch of traditions, books.

Im not one, know a few people that are, each lodge is a bit different. If your not good at remembering things like entire passages of texts i dont recommend it.

ok, real shit about the masons; there are three flavors of freemasonry today;anglo-american as recognized by the UGLE [United Grand Lodges of England, originally just of York and Westminster, now blown up as a standard of recognition] which is about 30% of all Masons globally. There's Franco-Continental, as recognized by the GOdF [grand orient of France] in Paris, which is about 68% of all Masons globally thanks to Franco-Spanish influence of the 1800s, and finally the Prince Albert Hall Lodges, which are mostly US and black.

The masons started as literal stone masons in the medieval era, and operated as a trade union with dues, pensions, etc. Most were employed by the church, but after and during the protestant reformation, the money in huge cathedrals dried up, so the masons let in non-operative 'specultive freemasons' and their incoming membership dues, during the 1620s. This is the origin of the Freemasons.

The masons evolved into a social and charitable club where anyone could join, but some lodges were richer than others. The main difference between the masons and other clubs is moral education, rituals, symbolism, and history.

If you want pure, unadulterated post -regency era freemasonry, then you need to go with LDH [La Droit Humain] under the GOdF. UGLE masonry is 1950s cheap kitche with rings, titles, and getting to master in a few weeks. With LDH it takes a minimum of a year between ech of the three blue lodge degrees.

There are three degrees; entered apprentise, fellow craft, and master mason, and all use the bible's words from the old testament, esp. concerning the first temple, simply because in the 1600s, the bible was probably the only book most of them had access to. Passwords, handshakes, etc. all come from this and evolved over time. Because there were no background checks or IDs in the 1600s, knowing these secret things was basically your traveling membership card.

Today it might get your of a speeding ticket, and may get you in a fish fry [for UGLE], but most of it's just listening to old guys talk about their medical problems. LDH under GOoF is the most open, old fashioned, and also evolved of the branches - women, and atheists can join. Under UGLE, it's only white men who accept a God, and are willing to pray at meetings. They then claim to ban talking about religion at meetings, but it's bullshit.

it's official the GAOTU [jokingly the goat], the grnd architect of the universe, and it's only for the mostly american UGLE masons and PAH masons. On paper, it's any higher power you wish to accept, as talking about religion and politics is banned in lodge Each member defines the grand architect as they see fit, and it's never brought up again… but in practise this means you're a non-new age, mainstrean christian or GTFO. No agnostics, humanitarians, polytheists, wiccians allowed.

The Frano-Continental Grand Orient of France system allows atheists to join since the 1860s, for the reason that the UK UGLE tried to basically tell the French what they could do in their own backyards. The French told England to fuck off. During a huge case in the early 1800s a lodge in Louisiana accept a mixed race guy, and the Grand Lodge of Louisiana pulled their charter [kicked the entire lodge out] and the GOoF set them a letter of warrant [basically said, fuck Louisiana, we recognize you]. This was condemned as Paris overstepping it's bounds, and Paris condemned the GL of louisiana as bigoted and outside of the true spirit of the age of enlightenment.

In the mid 1850s, the vast bulk of schools were catholic run, the church was the largest collector of tax dollars, paid no tax, and was the biggest land owner in France. The Freemasons said'fuck this' to the church, and put themselves as a totally secular body. The GOoF wrote to all subordinate lodges that a truey free mason needn't accept a diety if it was against their concience, and the UGLE officially cut ties. Thus we have the GOoF and UGLE spit today.

and to this day a UGLE can be de-apronned if there mother lodge finds out they set foot in a GOoF lodge, BUT the GOoF welcomes their visits.

In the lodge room itself, with UGLE masons, esp. in rural areas, there are jokes during the ceremonies, and nothing is taken too seriously. In some more urban areas, there is a formal air, with some people being required to memorize lines and use a bible… which is never read from, only few quotes are used in a pre-rehersed script. With GOoF, there is almost militaristic formality, the use of swords is more common, and people tend to be required to wear fixed colors of clothing. The sacred text is normally either a blank book, of the universal declaration of human rights.


there is no lucifer in remasonry, that shit was invented in the 70s. You can be a satanist and join the masons, but it's like saying'you can be left handed and buy a pair of shoes', they shit isnt joined at the hip.

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