Why shouldn't communism work? Capitalism is a failed concept and has only created a system where the rich get richer, and the poor get poorer? Can't find a job? Better just kill yourself then because, if it wasn't for welfare, a capitalist society would just allow yourself to starve to death. That's your own fault? Ya, great excuse and great society. Don't mention how there are people who are more than qualified and never get jobs because businesses are corrupt. Don't mention how automation will erase the majority of jobs in the future leaving only the rich who can afford more education to survive. Capitalism is nothing but eugenics waiting to happen. All the libertarians and cuckservatives just can't fucking admit that they want people to die. Explain to me how letting people starve to death on the streets because they couldn't find employment while a rich kid who inherited all his money is allowed to live scott fucking free of any worry is in any way just? Explain how letting the excess food we have just get thrown away is in any way just. And don't give me that "people are supposed to act selfish," or "you aren't entitled to basic human fucking needs." Those are bullshit answers that ignore any human rights and are just justifications to wanting to see people die.
Why shouldn't communism work? Capitalism is a failed concept and has only created a system where the rich get richer...
Lol, why are you asking Holla Forums? How old are you? There's plenty of writing for and against communism and many other political ideologies already out there. I assume that if you genuinely wanted to know, you'd go out and read those things. It looks like you just want to rant and bait people into arguing or something. That can be fun, and sometimes it's a good stress relief valve. Everything going okay, or did the rich kid at school spit on your shoes?
I'm just pissed that people would be so cruel as to allow people to just die on the street while hoarding everything to themselves. What's the moral justification in that?
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And how the fucking hell is capitalism any better?
because it has lifted hundreds of millions out of poverty since the 50s
Then why are there still people dying on the streets from starvation?
What's funny is the people that scream the most about pro capitalism, are the worst at it…lol.
hundreds of millions ≠ everyone
that's the motivator to be productive member of pyramid base
Yesterday a skinny, filthy, drug addicted, beggar came to me asking for money. I didn't give him anything. Today when I woke up, I felt these strange bumps forming on my head. I shrugged it off and made a post on Holla Forums before heading to work. I got 666 trips and plenty of (you)s, so at lunch I decided to celebrate by eating the flesh of a dumb defenseless animal along with cheese made from milk that could have fed one of its young. When I got off work I decided to make another post on Holla Forums, but when I felt the bumps on my head, they were even larger. Before I posted, I thought I would go ask my GF what I look like, and she said some sort of "advocate". I pondered this for a moment and quickly went back to Holla Forums to post about how great communism is. I then went to bed and dreamed about massacring millions of disgusting poor people to sustain my authoritarian delusions of grandeur and morality.
you retarded fuck. that's the kike version of capitalism. the same kikes who will be ruling over you in communism - except under communism they'll just execute you
Nothing will change when your commie revolution happens. Drop those ideas before it's too late
t.live in a country that is slowly getting cooked on boiling socialist waters
Venezuela?
pedo revolution soon
lolicracy
people are a failed concept, but i have a plan
Venezuela is already burnt to a crisp, only a matter of time before Maduro can no longer feed his military and foreign powers intervene. Mine is just reaching the Socialism-lite phase lack of money according to the commie government, a big corruption scandal involving the president is coming to light, lack of infrastructure growth, a sharp increase in crime (I just heard seven gunshots coming from not far away, this happens every day now) and an increasing unemployment rate
wew
communism will never work bcs ur mum is gay as fuck
You're a nigger
See, this is the kind of mentality that I'm trying to point out. It's not that I want free shit, I just don't want people to die on the streets.
I'm going to give you the benefit of the doubt OP for a moment and pretend you really are as stupid as you claim to be and explain to you why Communism doesn't work as simply as I can.
It's been tried over and over, again and again and in country after country all it's lead to is mass starvation and crumbling countries. All it does is centralize power in the hands of a small group of government elites who live wealthy while 95% of the country starves. We saw this in the USSR, China, North Korea and currently in Venezuela.
The simplest comparison is to put it like this, South Korea was created by capitalism, North Korea was created by communism. That's one country split into two, same demographics, same resources, same people. South Korea has because of capitalism become one of the most advanced nations on Earth, North Korea is run by a despotic dictator who made sarcasm illegal where everyone is a slave and it's common to pick through pieces of shit for undigested corn to eat.
Think about the most capitalist countries in the world idiot, what's always their biggest problem? OBESITY. America's homeless population are fat as fuck. Now this might be where you pull a tall Asian fallacy and drop a picture of a skinny homeless guy not realizing he's a drug addict, or that 99% of homeless are either drug addicts, run aways or mentally ill.
Let me explain the two major components that make Communism fail so massively in terms you might be able to understand. If there is no reward for your work, there is no motivation *to* work. This leads to stagnation of all skilled jobs and forced labor to grow food. It has in every communism has been tried. Let me put it another way. If I was going to give you a hundred dollars for an easy job, let's say sweeping a room, or a hundred dollars for a complicated skilled job like brain surgery performed successfully, you'd obviously go for the job that's easier and would get you the reward quicker. This is what everyone ends up doing every single time.
Then there's the food problem. When you(r mom) goes grocery shopping you have to limit yourself based on your means. You can't just grab every thing you like. You can't always get the name brand soda, or the most expensive liquor. Having to live on a budget gives you goals, allows you to treat yourself, and keeps you making healthier decisions.
Now suppose you were given a card that let you go on an infinite shopping spree. You'd get all the expensive things, all your favorite things. Now imagine every other person in the country also has that card. They're all going to take everything as well, and what's more now they have motivation to hoard because now they have to get it before you do. This is how they end up in bread lines, this is how shit like holodomor happens, and Venezuela's current situation where they're reduced to breaking into zoos to eat the animals.
Then why attack the system that's lead to obese homeless people while praising the system that's lead to more deaths from starvation than anything else on Earth? Capitalism brings people out of poverty, Communism makes everyone but the government poor, you dumb fuck.
So explain to me, what about the people who are not mentally ill, not drug addicts, and not run aways yet still can't get jobs because businesses are corrupt. How are they supposed to survive? Take this guy for example? reddit.com
You didn't read any of what was posted, did you? Okay, I'm going to spell this out for you more slowly.
What you posted is a "tall asian" fallacy. That is to say, someone says "Few Asians are basketball players because few asians are tall." you respond "THAT'S NOT TRUE! I KNOW OF A TALL ASIAN RIGHT HERE!" and you present as counter evidence ONE person.
One person is an exception. As I outlined in example after example, you're presenting an example of one person slipping through the cracks, when the system you're proposing replace it would see 95% of the country starving right along with him you retard. Answer me that fuckwit, why do YOU want everyone ELSE to ALSO starve? Feel free to look up which Communist came up with the quote "the death of one is a tragedy, the death of millions just a statistic." Because that's what it all comes down to with you, appeal to emotion fallacies that ignore the facts. And the fact is under your system that guy would be worse off, as would everyone else outside of the government.
Faggots don't understand there are communist states out there, just pack your bags and off you go.
No one will miss you.
There is a very simple answer for why communism won't work.
It requires a non self centered / altruistic society
This is in fact simply the truth and defending capitalism for the sole argument that communism supposedly killed >100mio people isn't solving the acute poverty issues, like 22k children who die every day out of poverty or that 4.3 billion people live off 2$ a day.
This user makes some good points and shows why it is a flawed idea to implement socialism or communism through radical government changes.
On the other hand he ignores the fact that state socialism when implemented volunteerly works well and the reason it fails in those countries is because of intervention from countries like the U.S.
See operation Ajax, coup on Allende, operation PBSUCCESS or the Dirty War.
So on one hand you can definitely see why there is harsh criticism about left autoritarian government dictatorships and trying to prevent more casualties through abuse of power.
On the other side there is a real point to be made that capitalism is not the solution to prevent abuse of power but rather fuels people's egocentric views and social darwinism to justify the ongoing deaths by poverty.
we don't have the technology, come back after AI becomes an ASI
thanks
Hmm, I dunno OP. Maybe you should go look at some historical examples of Communism working.
wait, there are none
What is Communism? Explain it in great detail, if you would be so kind.
working as intended. It's evolution.
Weeding out the weak.
Of course commies think evolution is just sexist and racist anyway
nature is cruel.
Animals want to continue their DNA line and fuck off others.
Plus they're druggies anyway
nice
societies are self centered though.
What kind of political system says "it doesn't work because the people aren't compatible/don't let it"
If the people don't like it then it doesn't work.
And what you're doing now is contrasting 2 separate kinds of numbers.
Those who died as a DIRECT result of communist regimes and the percentage of homeless people/dying children in general.
Hell I'd have said worldwide/america/china or whatever but you failed to specify when, who, the nature of and the where of these capitalist deaths
I always laugh when people think "Nazis" are capitalists and not National Socialists
It's not
A jew thought of a plan where he could work even less and it failed when the goy realised they weren't being fed
There is one example of Socialism workinge conomically National Socialism
True, it was called National 'Socialism', but Hitler explained in a speech that the Nazis version of Socialism was nothing like Marx envisioned.
im reading this book by mclellan on marx and actually am super intrigued by his early philosophy and analysis of capitalism - which has NO moral component to it. the way he played off the younv hegepians in developing his historical materialism is a pretty big afhievement in philosophy
i honestly dont know why he gets so much hate, seems like a really prolific writer who got kicked out of school cuz his phd overseer was an edgy nu-atheist
Hurr durr I have done one semester at College hurr durr and I know everything there is to know about herp derp politics n' religion n' philosophy n' stuff hurr durr let me prove how much wisdom and insight I have hurr durr about the ways of the world errr copied from my Liberal Studies lecture notes hurr durr…
Communism and capitalism fail for the same reason: You can not base a society on economics. It doesn't work because economics is math, and math is at its heart rigid and unflexible logic. A society at its heart is people, who are emotional, irrational, and constantly changing. The two are completely incongruous and incompatible. Every single society that has ever existed has prospered right up until the time economics takes a primary role. Once that happens, every single society begins to decline. It happens every single time, and it does not matter what economic system gets used. If economics becomes a foundational element of a society it will collapse as a result because humans are simply not that kind of creature. Yes, we have the capacity for rationality and logic. Yes we have the capacity for controlling our emotions. And we do so sometimes. But it is always temporal. It is always the exception rather than the rule. We are still animals and driven by animal instincts on the whole. Economics is as incompatible with humanity as morality is. It can be aspired to, but nothing more. Never achieved. And certainly not legislated.
Well the only system actually working without collapsing immediately is capitalism. Every other system subsists on the concept not real application
Exactly. But what I was saying is that only because capitalism works doesn't justify the wrongs it does by exploiting under developed countries
This seems to be a common argument made in favour, but just strengths my point that capitalism jusitifies deaths by refering to social darwinism or "evolution". Companies buying lands off poor farmers in Africa, hiring them for mimimun wage and monoculturing only single plants which destroy the ecosystem like Palm oil in Indonesia IS a direct result of capitalism. My mentioned interventions by the US are also a direct result.
Wow forgot to refer the poster, fucking genius.
The sad truth is 99% of people dont know there is an alternative to communism or capitalism and (((they))) want it to be that way.
Interesting idea but please elaborate and explain examples of this is in the past.
The SPQR for instance was based on economics, even marriages and social constructs. However it didn't fail because of economy but rather collapsed under it's huge size which was poorly managed.
Also economy contains important necessities for humans, if we didn't manage them, how are we supposed to survive? Anarchy? If so: How do you solve the issue that people will inevetitably rob from others because it's easier then to survive on their own?
How many Americans fled to USSR to escape capitalism?
How many Russians fled to America to escape communism?
Americans only become homeless because of divorce, mental disorder and/or drug abuse
Communists starve because they are not allowed to provide for themselves
how many people are starving in the US?
how many people are/were starving in [insert communist state here]?
Your post is pure satire
How about you faggots open your eyes and realize there is something that takes the best of both ideologies
Your arguments are absolutely fucking trash and read like an immature little kid bitching at his teachers over nothing.
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The main problem is that it arbitrarily places the production of food and goods in the hands of pepole who are not necessarily capable of using it effectively.
A good example would be Chinas steel industry, which is full of ex communisty party employees who got the top positions because they were good communist party employees not because they know anything about steel manufacturing.
A meritocratic society like capitalism, only people who are good at farming have a farm. Only people who are good at building computers have a computer factory. Only people who are good at running a steel company get a job managing a steel company etc etc
Everyone point and laugh
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Listen I don't like all their "muh six billion" bullshit neither, but don't be stupid and say false info that will just be fake history.
You would do the same if you were in the top position. We are a selfish species.
It's always the poor indignant people who are suddenly so altruistic and anti-materialism, whilst the people who have the wealth are the evil doers.
where are the bodies, then?
Most of them are in pauper's graves. I never said I agreed with the whole holocaust shit, I just said some facts can't be turned down, like the number of camps.
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So what? You are proving me right
The number of camps is significant when talking about deaths. If you notice, there are only 6 camps left that still have the "death camp" label attached to them.
So when you say "there were 40 camps", when talking about the holocaust, you are first of all incorrect on the total number of camps, and secondly are being disingenuous.
I said I was sceptic too. There fucking was 40 camps, what have been done inside are the debate.
it's almost like the guys who liberated the nazis rather than the population occupied by their terror regime and help them flee from europe or put them into government positions in germany had an interest in whitewashing their mates.
what a coincidence for sure!
is the debate, I engrish now
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wew lad, leftypol is that-a-way
Prove it
Take the time to educate yourself nigger. Watch TGSNT or Cole in Auschwitz if you would rather a jew debunk the holohoax for you
Also
Nope. No one denies that deaths happened in the camps. It's the cause of death that is debated. Typhus and THE ALLIES bombing the camps caused the deaths, not the Germans
Your fucking pictures write 40 camps, faggot
I don't care about debunking, I'm already sceptic, since both parties are unclear.
Welp I'm done here
Prove it, I can't believe any side of the story because historians and antis are both unclear.
No wonder you go to Holla Forums
"Good evening everybody, and welcome to Monday Night Shoah! We are sold out here in Auschwitz, Germany! Over six million in attendance!"
If the 20th Century should have taught us anything it's that communism simply doesn't work
You're assuming we live in a capitalist system. We don't. We live in a global corporatist system
en.wikipedia.org
37. Don't even believe all the propaganda, whether it's from the government or from Holla Forumstards.
yeah, close the borders! #MAGA
You're going to assume this is a cop-out, but I really don't have time. I gave you two information filled documentaries that prove beyond a shadow of a doubt that the holocaust was heavily exaggerated.
And to be honest, watching those documentaries will answer more questions better than I ever could on a mongolian cock fighting forum
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welp, thanks for proving me right
give me facts, readable facts, not people talking and jewing views on jewtube.
Absolute buffoon.
TGSNT has a full 15 minute part dedicated to it's sources.
You want more?
>codoh.com
Now I'm leaving but if you're still here about 12 hours from now I'll be more than happy to continue this debate
Also, TGSNT has a website of it's own specifically so people don't bitch about jewtube.
>thegreateststorynevertold.tv
what part in "I don't want to watch a goon" didn't you understand?
all videos
watching a video is bad. Be a man and give me readable documents. Videos are for fatasses that can't even read right.
Kill yourself kike. All of the resources he put forward are excellent.
yeah right, you're no better than the government. Not even a single proof on both sides.
MORE YOU SAY??
>inconvenienthistory.com
I was going to reply to op seriously, but after reading through the thread I just stopped.
DESIGNATED KIKE THREAD
that's readable. I'll see if there's anything I can extract out of it.
KIKE ATTEMPTS TO BE A KIKE
MORE AT 11
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pls
I said I was reading your shit, let me read in peace and go to bed, user.
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Not the same user, just a good Samaritan shitting down your kike throat
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you seem tormented, saving all your shit.
Do you think its legitimatly possible to stop all unnatural death across the entire world?
What happens when you are producing enough food to feed the world and suddenly the birth rate sky rockets and nobody wants to be a farmer.
You now have two options. Enslave half the world population and force them to farm and hope to god that they actually do it well or let them starve to death.
You're right, I am. I am tormented by the thought of kikes carrying on the lies of WWII and poisoning the youth with it
I ain't even saying anything against your views, you're just paranoid. Typical Holla Forumstard.
Typical leftist, burying his head in the sand when certain facts offend him.
You couldn't be more textbook if you tried. You kike.
Communism didn't work because it gives power to greedy humans.
Capitalism is not working because it gives power to greedy human.
Humans are greedy fuckers and will fuck over other humans in order to fulfill their greed.
Show me where I was against your views, please.
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how's your gestapo/KGB hat going?
Commies can't even stop themselves from contradicting themselves in a single sentence.
Tons of proof in this thread. If you think you're on "the right side of history" then explain The Leuchter Findings.
See for a summarized version.
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Our only hope is to install a dictator that already owns everything thus can not greed after anything.
I can manipulate informations by filming myself saying many things that aren't true. I want texts, videos are a mean of conveying false stories since the television exist.
I never said that. But you're paranoid.
When you say Holla Forumstard are you making a reference to tardiness?
Nothing about a video in that post. The Leuchter Report is a written report detailing the findings of Fred Leuchter, who was an expert on gas chambers and deadly gases. He went to Auschwitz and tested the walls in the "gas chambers" and he found literally ZERO trace of cyanide gas.
Explain, kike
Communism killed more than 35.5 million people in Russia. That's about 5.91166 holohoaxes. It also killed more than 65 million people in China, which is about 10.833 holohoaxes, both repeating of course. That's 16.75 holohoaxes already and we're not even taking into account deaths caused by other communist regimes or the soldiers they've killed during wartime.
To add to this:
REMEMBER THE 100.5 PEOPLE KILLED BY JEWISH BANKERS
Probably more than that, honestly. Counting all the "nation building" the US and EU did after WWII, I wouldn't be shocked at over double that number
No its not. Stop being a nihilist.
Daily reminder the term capitalism was meant as a term to describe the theory of economics and it is not in fact a economic system itself. Merely a theory.
When you say capitalism is shit you are saying the theory of gravity is shit because its always pushing you down.
100.5 million
you're probably right, but I can't be bothered to find proper sources so whatever
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having absolutely everything is impossible, a truly neutral entity would require no other desire than to give happiness to as many humans as possible.
it is shitty, as a theory as well, because theories exist vacuums, and when put into action, all things don't go right, because it isn't in a vacuum any longer, but it is better then every other one humans have been able to come up with, so it is the best for now
maybe in the future with a higher level of tech, a better way of doing things will be possible
Thanx for the video, user.
only if the tech changes human nature completely
They both get richer if they have a job
Those who do not work, neither shall they eat.
Good, survival of the fittest faggot.
Cry more faggot.
The world will never be "fair" or "just".
So an ideology is garbage because some of the people defending it would not be capable of making it a reality ?
human nature changes when humans are put in a different environment, and technology changes the environment.
Do you really think capitalism will still be a thing if we had robots doing all the servers jobs, and replicators for everything else?
ok, you got me. I'll rephrase:
only if the tech changes human nature or removes scarcity completely
Not if you are the monarch of the entire world. What more could you possible gain? Everything is your property and the entire world are just your guests. At a that point, I don't see how you could still be striving for more personal gain? It would have to get very boring very quickly.
Your only hope for functional communism is sci fi fantasy. And yet you keep running through the streets trying to spread it.
There are jobs that you absolutely cannot trust robots to do (certain medical work, advanced planning) and what robots cannot do at all (art and stuff). On top of that, you have to consider the what-ifs of the whole thing since robots can get fucked up. And even then your version of communism would most likely deny robots a right for consciousness (said scenario is only likely to happen in a world where AI is advanced enough for this) because communism is retarded and there's likely to be a revolt.
Explain how the theory is wrong. You can say gravity is a shit theory because blank, you need to change the theory. What you can not do unless you are a moron is claim gravity is a shitty theory because you don't like the FACT that its pushing you down your entire life.
Saying capitalism or gravity is shitty is just plan nihilistic. You mine as well say life and everything is shitty.
If you think the theory of capitalism is wrong go ahead and revise it. Regardless of how many times you revise your theory of gravity, gravity will always remain the same.
I'll just leave this here
FUCK YA! THE FUTURE IS SO BRIGHT! ROBOTICS WILL MAKE COMMUNISM A REALITY!
okay good, now we just have to make sure that communism doesn't get in the way of capitalism killing itself via pushing technological progress
I don't think communism is possible or desirable unless gene editing puts everyone on the same super human level.
I am just saying that capitalism isn't perfect, nor is it the end-all-be-all of economics
for now, but if we can do it, then there is no reason to think robots couldn't one day do it, and they are going to be able to do it better then any human ever could.
I have no idea what an ASI would do, nor do you, and again, this is more of star trek type thing, where people still own stuff
it coming from a place of nihilism doesn't make it wrong, and life is shitty
you're equating a law of physics to an economic system
Economics is a theory used to predict human behavior based on obvious responses to incentives.
If somebody wants something they are willing to give up x amount of y to get z. Regardless of how irrational people are this statement still holds true. It's just that the variables change. Economics is not rigid it allows for the change if variables because it knows that human behavor changes. Economics is a measure of human behavor used to predict likely future behavour. It is by far the best method to be used in creating a system that allows people to exchange goods with one another.
You are proposing a nirvana fallacy.
Yes indeed economics is not perfect, BUT CAN YOU FIND SOMETHING BETTER?
Protip: you can't.
Thats why we use it.
By simply declaring economics is an imperfect system therfore we should throw it to the side and let chaos rule is the methodology of an anarchist faggot with a seemingly small understand of economical concepts but a vastly large desire to sound intelligent while tripping all over himself cumming and farting at the same time.
I honestly sincerely hope you die in a house fire.
Please dear god please kill yourself.
You existence is a plauge upon humanity. No not a plauge. A cancer. A cancer that spreads its ignorance only to others who are ignorant enough to not tottaly understand enough about economics to know how fucking retarded you are.
Jesus fucking christ just stop with your bullshit.
If you don't like economics propose something better.
Chaos / economic anarchy is not a valid answer unless you are 13 and like to shit yourself.
I'll be waiting
I like you
it wouldnt work cuz of envy, greed and ingenuity
some1 wants what u have and theyll get it 1 way or another. If its trade, then u trade whats worthless to u for something thats worthless for them. This way u accumulate goods and become not equal
u stupid shit
physical possession is not the only thing a man can what, what if one of the mans desire is to make people suffer, what if he wants something that is currently unattainable ? space travel for example.
The greatest tragedy of the human is be capable of dreaming of the impossible. you can never have everything if you can imagine more.
Stalin did nothing wrong.
Under the right situations, they'll all work, but because people are shitty and greedy animals, none of them will work.
Go back to your containment board Holla Forums until you've grown up, had a job, and understand more about how economies work.
None of them will work.. perfectly.
But out of all of then capitalism works best
They're not "working" if they all eventually fail because we can't keep them stable for long enough to actually "work."
If you mean that the alternative of capitalism and. Communism is a third positionist ideology (Fascism, National Socialism, National Syndicalism/Falangism), then I agree with you. But you sound like you want an4rchy and cha0s, which is something implausible and juvenile
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Back to middle school faggor
Back to school faggot fix your damn site porch monkey
CAPITALISM IS NOT A SYSTEM
Its just a theory. A system has rules and procedures. There are hierarchies and different outcomes for different inputs in a system.
Capitalism is as much a system as evolution itself. A nation that outlaws usury is still capitalist. A nation that doesn't is still capitalist. Self proclaimed communist countries are still capitalist.
Evolution is not a system that benefits the survival of the fittest its a theory that the fittest survive.
Saying capitalism is morally flawed is merely pointing out that the world isn't fair.
Capitalism is not a system. National Socialism was just capitalism with good government programs. Its all capitalism. Capitalism is not a system. This is why communism always fails.
Capitalism is a theory based on what we have observed. Communism is a backwards and completely false theory to make people feel better about the reality of the world. Communism is the blue pill.
Go ahead, try "your Communism™ ". It will fail as every other version has.
Why did the communist leave? Why do communists always leave halfway through an argument?