Remember how New Atheists were cool? Once...

Remember how New Atheists were cool? Once, it seemed that most "smart people" were supposed to be concerned with religion, science and theocracy. There was an universal pro-Atheism consensus on most online places worth visiting, and atheists were as popular as you could be as a public intellectual. But then, the obnoxious behavior of many of them started destroying the concept for most people, even former atheists, who now define themselves as Agnostics or vaguely as "non-religious" and avoid the subject.

Then Libertarians were the cool group. Everyone was trying to pander to the libertarian crowd and claim some kinship to libertarianism, particulally during the 2008 - 12 elections. But the constant influx of teens who were not really willing to read Hayek and instead just repeated "fiscally conservative, socially liberal" made the group such a caricature that even people who used to identify as Libertarians before Ron Paul's presidential campaigns started feeling alienated from the movement.

Now, the SJWs, who achieve a degree of mainstream acceptance that the above never did (in part due to how more and more people got "clued up" on internet trends, social media, etc.) are the cool group, and they're starting to die and lose momentum.

Once this happens, I'm starting to feel that the radical Left will be the new groups that makes it to the headlines and monopolizes debate for a while. Sanders kickstarted it, there is already some decent new pundits and publications on our side, we've been growing since the crisis, etc.

If this happens, how do we stop ourselves from imploding like those above did? The Left is already, collectively, a lot dumber and louder than they used to be, and the few voices of reason we have among our numbers are not really the type who have the balls and nerve to call out other leftists for shitty behavior, ignorance, arrogance, stupidity, naivety, etc.

As OWS showed, there's no shortage of ludicrous behavior in our part that our enemies can use to sabotage us.

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Why do I keep being told the SJW's were behind this behaviour from someone who was there, then?

Tankies are SJWs until the former starts identifying with bullets and the latter starts identifying with academics.

We already had our time to shine a while ago, which was promptly shit all over by Stalin and Mao, because Asia was seemingly destined to be full of dictators.

No?

Anarchikiddie, m8. We have the plague just as badly as you.

Let's make it a point to never be cool.

it seems that whenever there's an idea that's popular, there always has to be a backlash. I think the trick is to whether the storm. I mean, there's still a lot of atheist even though they get mocked now. There are people who can see through the bullshit and people who can't. I think socialist have had just about every negative connotation there is at this point, and some how we still exist. Popularity has never been the real problem. It's that they're scared of us after years of propaganda.

I do, son. I do.

Sit back and let me tell you the story of the dark period we old-timers call the Bush years.

They weren't cool back then either you pretentious twat.

Shut up, you don't know what's cool and you're too young to remember those years. Just sit down and listen.

Spoken like a true underageb&

We have our voices of reason, they're just not popular. You need to account for the tendencies the masses already carry with them, especially teens and college politicos.

They were only cool because you lacked perspective and dialectics yourself.

The "cool groups" always inevitably turn into old jokes.

The American left has always had a toxic liberal and anarchist influence that has held it back. I'm not sure if has ever had a fighting chance at respectability.

OWS had some token Marxists and trade unionists but it was overwhelmingly a lifestyle anarchist affair. Keep in mind this was slightly before all these people also decided they were trannies on top of everything else. I can't imagine how macabre a similar movement would look today.

So no. I'm not too worried about increased exposure. Maybe an influx of class-conscious normies will shoo the anarchkiddies away.

Assuming I honestly think the best way to deal with this problem is with vanguards. Have popular places like reddit serve as where all the retards gather who dont really know much, and then have slightly more secluded spaces on the internet for people who actually know what they're talking about. These places should be able to accept who they want into their discussions. This maintains ideological purity online.

I wouldnt say this method is the way to go irl, I know a lot of anarchkiddies are gonna get butthurt reading this, but this is the internet. You have to deal with things differently.

The next "cool crowd" will honestly be the Holla Forums types. Maybe when they massively fuck up we'll take over

OK. See you at the next Trump rally!

Of course the IRC fag thinks that

Nice ad hominem

Get drive-by ad hominem'd nerd

It was SJWs during 2011-2014, now it's the Alt-Right that are the "in" group now.

You mean when Donald Trump/Hillary gets elected the Sanderistas will start talking about the shit state US politics are in right now? Forgive me if I'm pessimistic but the majority of the Sanders supporters will roll over and stay in their place.

And this is the reason why, if when under Bush
who was wire-tapping people, using extrodinary rendition, and bombing innocents in Afganistan and Iraq, and bailing out bankrupt banks with the workers money, is fucking Obama and OWS, then the American left is in a bad fucking place my brother. More things should be done than protesting Trump rallies and giving in to false-flag agitprop like BLM.

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Dude, get over it. You've been "left" behind. If you're not a woman or brown, they don't want you. Occupy got broken up bc its was too "white male," per CP USA, not bc of the FBI. You're fucking delusional

user that pic is racist

The new cool group is actually the alt-righters. They're literally fucking everywhere. The SJWs had their laugh, now it's ironic nazis. Every online community I'm a part of has been flooded with the obnoxious anti-PC crowd, fedora memes and ironic nazis.

ehh excuse me. I think you're forgetting someone.

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this pic gave me cancer

I wonder who benefits from all this BS… I wonder..

This will never happen. All of the movements you described were allowed to happen. As Chomsky put it:

“The smart way to keep people passive and obedient is to strictly limit the spectrum of acceptable opinion, but allow very lively debate within that spectrum….”

Actual radicalism is a serious threat, and falls outside of that spectrum of allowable debate.

What an incredibly paranoid and incorrect take

Occupy got police actioned because it is 1) set up in a public space which made showdown with police inevitable (that was the whole point) and 2) because it was explicitly anticapitalist and revolutionary and incompatible with bourgeois institutions

Anyway, this is a cute take that has problems worth addressing

1. New Atheism was part of "rationalist" or "skeptic" movement, where liberals tried to differentiate themselves from the left, fascists, and reactionaries more reactionary than themselves by claiming that they were the only intellectually serious group. Basically the "communism sounds great but only works on paper" smugness expanded to its natural conclusion. See The smug style of American liberalism, by Emmett Rensin vox.com/2016/4/21/11451378/smug-american-liberalism (i know its Vox, but he just got fired from there for supporting antifa riots so don't worry).

Hitchens death was a branch in their bike spokes, but mostly it was the fascism which got harder and harder to excuse. In short, the God is Not Great subtitle "how religion poisons everything" was proven so at odds with reality (especially Hitchens advocacy for foreign wars and imperialism) that it was impossible to argue that religion caused war. In a very short amount of time New Atheism lost all legitimacy. If Elizabeth Stoker Bruenig (the Catholic radleft writer) had been born a decade earlier, she probably wouldn't have had a career.

2. Libertarians come out of the same skeptic movement rationalism, while of course being full of shit. They were similarly damned by their obvious association with fascism and usury.