It's a murder. It'a a sin.

Anthony Bell
Anthony Bell

Tell me at least one anti-abortion argument.

Cause there are plenty of pro-abortion arguments, so how is this even a discussion?

Evan Jenkins
Evan Jenkins

useless people make good soldiers

Ayden Williams
Ayden Williams

Honestly, the only one I can think of is that if people stopped procreating–particularly if it was localized to certain countries–then it would effect their positions in the global economy. In fact, Japan’s population is expected to shrink by nearly a third within 50 years, and this could have dire effects on their economy. But I suppose that's not really a pro-life vs. pro-choice matter.

As far as I'm concerned, there's no such thing as a logical pro-life argument.

Nicholas Nguyen
Nicholas Nguyen

abortion isn't really about if the baby is alive or not, it is about a 3DPD's choice to kill that baby up until she shits it out.
I don't really care about human life, but please stop pretending that it isn't alive, when if the father tries to abort the child, without the consent of the 3DPD, he is charged with attempted murder of both the 3DPD, and the unborn child

Sebastian Baker
Sebastian Baker

t.suicidal NEET

Nathan Reed
Nathan Reed

I think, it is misleading to call fetus alive.
Fetus cannot survive on its own, it's just a part of the bigger organism (like an arm or an ear).
What distinguishes a fetus from other body parts is its ability to eventually become independent and transform into a person.
The question is, is this property of a fetus valuable enough to preserve it. Aren't we killing a potential person by aborting a fetus?
On the one hand, yes - we do kill a potential person by aborting a fetus, but on the other hand, we also do it by ejaculating and/or having periods.
Pregnancy is just another step in a series of events that forms a person. It is necessary but not more important than any other step (ejaculation, conception, birth).
So in this regard interrupting a pregnancy is not much different than throwing away a tampon with unfertilized ovaries. It does not require a special reason to be done.

Kayden Gonzalez
Kayden Gonzalez

Fetus cannot survive on its own
By that logic, everyone with a pacemaker is dead.

Dylan Gonzalez
Dylan Gonzalez

Women are stupid and they destroy civilizations, all pro-abortion arguments are nuked.

muh women

Check derectum and his evolution or check any matriarchal civilization, if you dont want to read just check what happened with anything forced to receive women as a worker force.

Luke Clark
Luke Clark

you don't have get charged with murder for jerking off, having a period, cutting off your/someone's arm, or trowing away a tampon.
Again I don't really care, but I don't like people lying to themselves to make themselves feel better.

Hudson Evans
Hudson Evans

The argument against abortion is that it is murder.

Jose Nelson
Jose Nelson

My uncle is a pacemakers fetus. If the pacemaker got ai would that make it my grandmother? Could it legally decide to abort my uncle?

Jaxson Ross
Jaxson Ross

Murder is a legal term, dummy. It's taking a life, but murder is just a construct.

Charles Collins
Charles Collins

Obviously abortion isn't any of those things. Difference between jerking off/period is that there is no mix of genes between mother and father. The baby is not you, it's not your arm it has its own genetically information which makes it it's self which also makes everyone themselves
Murder is what people define it as and anti abortion people define abortion as murder

William Rivera
William Rivera

murder is what people define it as and anti abortion people define abortion as murder
Yes, hence "murder is a construct". Saying it's murder is not an argument, in and of itself.

Cooper Wright
Cooper Wright

so abortion is murder, and it is just the 3DPD's right to do so?

Tyler King
Tyler King

The argument is they try to describe why it should be defined as murder

Evan Gutierrez
Evan Gutierrez

Abortion harms the mother

Elijah Allen
Elijah Allen

Right. And ultimately, they end up back where they started–"it's bad cause it's murder and murder is bad cause its murder."

This debate almost always comes down to 2 main positions: you either believe that life is intrinsically valuable or you don't. And if people want to call it murder, that's fine, but it doesn't change the fact that any notion of sacredness is purely illusory.

Logan Bailey
Logan Bailey

It is a good argument.

Aaron Thompson
Aaron Thompson

It can also harm the father (psychologically)

Brody Lee
Brody Lee

(checked for satanic trips)
Bolded efects are effects that take place under more severe cases
Physical effects:
Nausea
Vomiting
Diarrhea
Abdominal cramps
High fever
Uterine scarring
Hemorrhaging
Death
Psychological effects:
Depression
Decreased libido

Ryder Jackson
Ryder Jackson

u know women have multiple chances for procreation - 1 abortion doesnt ruin it. Not even 10. Many women do it and even more illegally - we r still here

Noah Cruz
Noah Cruz

Any anons hanging around ITT are free to add to this list if they have anything
Polite sage for double-posting

Brandon Robinson
Brandon Robinson

so do children leaving to live on their own

Thomas Anderson
Thomas Anderson

the logic of when a life actually begins is hard if you don't define it as beginning at conception. if the instant of observation is all that matters, it might be ok to kill a sleeping person because they aren't doing much, and are essentially just a blob of cells, albeit a large one

regarding a fetus, to a reasonable man, it is known that it will almost definitely develop into a human being that can survive on its own

regarding a patient in an induced coma, to a reasonable man, it is known that the patient will almost definitely wake up from the coma and be able to survive on his own

if it's not ok to kill people in medically induced comas, it's not ok to kill fetuses.

given that the real only reason abortion is legal is because fetusus don't look like babies, so there's not an emotionally salient reason not to kill them, one might being up the emotionally salient factor of pain:
doubtless, a fetus with functioning pain centers would be in agony during abortion, thus the post 21(?) week restriction on abortions. however, the pain centers have the capability of functioning at around 17-18 weeks, so a strong emotionally salient argument can be made to change 21 weeks to 17 weeks.

of course, there's no such thing as objective morality and god isn't real, so who cares anyway?
the human sense of "morality" is incredibly inconsistent with itself, and a woman's indignation with having to saddle the responsibilities of motherhood can easily override any sense of concern for a developing human's welfare.

abortion is, in my opinion, a tragedy of the cruelty of nature and human behavior, but i don't think it would make sense to outlaw it all at once. free birth control is a hell of a lot cheaper, and prevents conception before it happens. maybe after a few decades, we could get rid of it

Tyler Mitchell
Tyler Mitchell

What's really annoying about that is that they usually try to do so on religious grounds

Zachary Gonzalez
Zachary Gonzalez

we r still here

Nope, check statistics, races that do abortions arent here anymore.

Angel Phillips
Angel Phillips

prove it

Easton Howard
Easton Howard

Just cut low iq balls, problem solved.

Sebastian Nguyen
Sebastian Nguyen

cant get metarepresentations

Jaxon Perry
Jaxon Perry

i lkie how u r talkin to yourself

Anthony Baker
Anthony Baker

Projecting.

Being serious, whites are the minority in the world if you check ye olde caucasoid-negroid-mongoloid system, natural blonds arent that common anymore and i am not talking about redheads.

Just castrate niggers, problem solved.

Jason Sanders
Jason Sanders

Because everyone deserves a chance, even if they aren't wanted. also roasties dont deserve to wash away their responsibility like that
this is a good one

Kevin Myers
Kevin Myers

When an individual is born into the world, they're born into the realm of law, so to speak, and the same laws and rights that apply to every other citizen apply to the newborn. See, there are practical reasons why we have laws; we can't just have people going around killing each other for no good reason, as it things would become relatively chaotic.

We draw lines, and it's just a matter of where you believe that line should be drawn. I don't imagine you're too concerned about the 10's of billions of animals who die every year to feed us and clothe us, are you? Most of them are living in unimaginably horrific conditions, and people have the audacity to say that a human being should be born at the moment of conception… amazing.

Hudson Long
Hudson Long

projecting
all societies do abortion and they r still here

Evan Clark
Evan Clark

clean your room

Bentley Hernandez
Bentley Hernandez

Human lives are much more valuable than animal lives (you cannot compare those two).

John Baker
John Baker

I don't imagine you're too concerned about the 10's of billions of animals who die every year to feed us and clothe us, are you?
Are you more concered with the wellbeing of europeans or africans? We don't care for animals as we do our own, because we are more important.

Benjamin Mitchell
Benjamin Mitchell

all societies do abortion

Please notice this, classical lefty shilling, start with a claim that you can prove and magically use it to prove another thing because he/she/it says so.

First and just for the sake of trolling, you need the tech, subsharian nigs need whitey boat doing abortions, well, maybe a bunch of nigs isnt a society for you, i gave you that point.

Second "mass abortions" "high quality abortions" arent things with milleniums in this world, not even a century, maybe few decades and just in a few countries, every one of them is having changes in their "native" population ratios and are being replaced with low iq nigros, thats a fact.

muh Japan

Exceptio probat regulam in casibus non exceptis and they are still having problems.

Sage!=downvote

/reddit/

Andrew Ward
Andrew Ward

Tell me at least one anti-abortion argument.
killing an innocent human is immoral

Adam Cook
Adam Cook

So killing an abortionist isnt immoral? or is just moral and the ones dont killing them are immoral?

Adrian Cox
Adrian Cox

abortion is … bad

wow what a thinker. Amazing argument!

Gabriel Wilson
Gabriel Wilson

of course, there's no such thing as objective morality and god isn't real, so who cares anyway?
lol wut
Sage!=downvote
I actually didnt't mean to sage, I swear.
I really dont get why people listen to this guy.

John Lewis
John Lewis

Value is invented. Subjectively speaking, I consider human beings to be more valuable, but our suffering is no greater than that of farm animals. You clearly missed the point I was trying to illustrate.

I could also go on about existential suffering, and the fact that the nature of life is predicated on suffering, but it always falls on deaf ears if the person I'm talking with buys into the notion that human life is intrinsically valuable. I'm not exactly an antinatilist, but I certainly don't believe that the the cycle of suffering needs to be preserved and perpetuated.

Jordan Sullivan
Jordan Sullivan

I really dont get why people listen to this guy.
The average person is incapable of rational thought, rational thought isn't something inherently human, it's something humans can develop.
Someone who does think and states the obvious in public becomes a new age philosopher, like the guy in the video.

Aaron Taylor
Aaron Taylor

try watching the video you pre aids faggot

Kayden Taylor
Kayden Taylor

This guy is really becoming a new-agey, self-help guru for pseudo-intellectuals who spend too much time on the internet. I'll bet he's already seen a massive boost to his bank account.

Gavin Howard
Gavin Howard

Makes sense, but its really sad to think about it. I often think the internet is the worst societal cancer around today, despite it being my main source of information. It is the main reason most NEETs exist, and its addictive+instantly gratifying properties make the dumbest people. I think the internet would be at its best if it was never more than wikipedia, anonymous forums like this maybe, and instant message systems. The internet of youtube+twitter+facebook+reddit+instagram+alltheothernormieshit needs to go.

Jacob Morris
Jacob Morris

I tried. I can't understand anything he says. It's just a stream of incoherent gibberish. I can't pinpoint a single thesis.

Evan Peterson
Evan Peterson

Has anyone really been far as decided to use even go want to do look more like?

Jayden Taylor
Jayden Taylor

These things break my brain every time.

Jacob Green
Jacob Green

Alot of you concede that abortion is murder So is it okay to kill someone for the most common reasons to have an abortion. Can I kill my kid because it will ruin my career or because I am in school?

Joshua Gutierrez
Joshua Gutierrez

If you're a woman WHY THE FUCK ARE YOU FOCUSING ON HAVING A CAREER? THATS THE MANS JOB

Christian Rivera
Christian Rivera

idk, does your kid have brain function and a central nervous system?

if so, it's not really the same thing

Hunter Wright
Hunter Wright

Do you grow your food? how many houses have you ever built? if you dont have to take measures against ebola or gang rapists is because we are living in a civilization, money isnt real and you can dump a gorillion in africa and they will be still "africans".

Women dont give a fuck about consequences, but they are first running from wars, famines, crime or poverty.

Brayden Bell
Brayden Bell

Accidentally a word, sorry, i was mad.

Michael Morgan
Michael Morgan

the only abortion that should be legal is abortifacients (the morning after pill)

waiting until the zygote grows into a fetus then hiring a "doctor" to dismember it and remove it piece by piece from her cunt is completely unnecessary, it's literally only done because the pregnant woman is lazy and stupid

the bitch knew she got creampied, why didn't she take the morning after pill?

Nicholas Watson
Nicholas Watson

This.

Amount of abortions would fuck the state.

Isaac Kelly
Isaac Kelly

humans r animals and they r not independent to the sutrvival of the planet

Ian Ramirez
Ian Ramirez

?

Liam Torres
Liam Torres

starts
with a claim u can prove
and magically use it to prove another thing
its hard to do abortion - kicking the stomach isnt enough
never shows the only source its been asked for
fuckin kill yourself, u retarded nigger-ass twat. Pitty no1 aborted u, dumb cunt

Aaron Price
Aaron Price

so how is this even a discussion?
no abortion means more niggers & spics.

Jose Edwards
Jose Edwards

lazy and stupid

Sterilize those and a lot of problems will disappear forever.

Rh- having Rh+ babies is a novelty and we are forced to read this retardation… just check surnames or how muhammad is the best name for babies in England, i am not sure if you are a buttblasted aspie without arguments trying to sound like a troll or another delusional lefty, but please, for the sake of humanity, cut your balls and never have kids ever.

Cooper Martin
Cooper Martin

FUCKING NIGGERS

Nathaniel Robinson
Nathaniel Robinson

If neither murder nor sin stops you, there is no hidden third argument that'll magically make you grow a conscience.

Liam Martin
Liam Martin

sperm=not a person
egg=not a person
sperm + egg = person

You can't kill a person for economic reasons. I equate a mother killing her child because she cant support them, to me killing an old person because I have to pay their social security.
You can't do it.

There are exceptions to this, when the child is a threat to the mothers life, you can equate that to self-defence, like a nigger attacking you on the street, to preserve your own life, you have to kill them.

David Jackson
David Jackson

The only real debate in killing a child, or abortion, if it is a person.

James Bailey
James Bailey

sperm + egg = dog girl

Your not human if your not raised as one

Angel Garcia
Angel Garcia

Hey retard,

"You can't kill a person for economic reasons"

Perhaps if republicans weren't defunding planned parenthood which provides contraceptives and education to prevent unwanted pregnancy in the first place.

Perhaps if republicans weren't defunding health care.

Perhaps if republicans weren't chomping at the bit to prevent maternity and paternity leave.

Perhaps if they weren't depowering unions.

Maybe if they weren't importing all these fucking immigrants to take our jobs away.

Maybe if they weren't handing half of our jobs to prisoners who work pennies on the dollar.

Maybe someone could afford to raise a fucking family, or prevent themselves from getting pregnant if they couldn't.

You care about life so much?

Fuck.

Anthony Hughes
Anthony Hughes

before all this recent political polarization, i was pro-choice.

a bundle of cells isn't a human being, neither is a shitskin, and neither is a retard or a vegetable. then i felt like i should be pro-life just because it opposes the authoritarian left.

but being against choice is also being authoritatian.

then i realized that i don't realy give a shit about babies, but forcing niggeresses to go through with babies really reduces everyone's quality of life.

William Lopez
William Lopez

It comes down to an argument of definitions:
If you consider a fetus to be human, then the only good reason to kill it would be to protect another life (in this case, that of the mother should such complications occur). Otherwise, all other arguments regarding economic status, women's rights and the like go right out the window. You don't have the right to kill for economic benefit, even if you have a vagina.

If you don't attribute personhood to a fetus, then there's nothing wrong with abortion regardless of any other factors. It's not human so who gives a shit?

Noah Scott
Noah Scott

I am pro-infanticide and abortion.

The only reason to ever not abort is if you have a healthy white child.

Everything else should be culled.

Xavier Reed
Xavier Reed

By dire effects you mean Japan is going to be richer than ever right?

Higher population = poorer country

Parker Stewart
Parker Stewart

this tbqh fam. abortion is only bad for white babies.

Aiden Davis
Aiden Davis

tfw vegetarian
nigger you can't win with that weak shit

Robert Sanders
Robert Sanders

Not that guy,

Perhaps if republicans weren't defunding planned parenthood which provides contraceptives and education to prevent unwanted pregnancy in the first place.

The problem is sex, people having it and no, i am not trolling, this is the golden age of plasmids, cut the balls of low iq tards before they hit puberty, shame whores like it was 1600s again and everything else is secondary.

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