Serious Religion Discussion

Thomas Wood
Thomas Wood

What is the point in believing in something without empirical evidence to back it up? Take the bible for instance: many of its stories are just retellings of older stories with minor changes and additions. Why would anyone call this the word of God when the books are not even the original editions? If I wrote the Lord of the Rings and then my editor got a hold of it, and then later fans inserted their own chapters and changed character names, and then even later someone put Narnia and Harry Potter in there, and masses of people started calling it the word of God, I would be seriously weirded out by all the autism that just took place. How does this even happen?

So if you accept religions are mostly nonsense and outright fiction, then what? Does it even matter if someone believes there is a god or creator or not? How does that make a difference in somebody's day to day life? Sure it can be an interesting philosophical discussion, but no gods told me why we're here or what's going to happen when we die, and if they did, I forgot about it somehow. Does it even matter why? Should we be so concerned about why life happened and what happens after life when we could be giving it all we've got to make the best life happen while it's still happening?

Lucas Rodriguez
Lucas Rodriguez

Faith

Austin Smith
Austin Smith

What is the point in believing in something without empirical evidence to back it up?
you should ask mathematicians

Easton Cooper
Easton Cooper

Way too many questions, OP

what is the point
I can think of lots of points, just none that make much sense. Take this stock response for example: I believe 'cause I believe

Benjamin Perez
Benjamin Perez

If you find any value in nationalism, you would find value in religion. It's something to bring people together. I myself am conflicted on this being a good thing. You also have to realize that a lot of people don't have the necessary IQ to rationalize what feels natural (morality) so they need religion to make sense of it. I don't even hate on low IQ people. They can't help it, it's mostly genetical.

Angel Cruz
Angel Cruz

That's not even a complete thought. What are you saying?

Mathematicians spend their time proving theorems. They put hard work into making the hardest type of evidence anyone can come up with for a statement being true in a given logical framework. Sure they frequently deal with abstract objects that don't necessarily have a parallel with real world experience, but to imply it is specifically mathematicians that spend significant time believing in things without empirical evidence is just nonsense when they make it their job to prove things on a stricter and more objective level than any other profession or hobby.

Maybe you are saying that they assume axioms to see what follows. Calling this "believing" is a gross misuse of language and seems like a distraction to avoid dealing with everything I just said.

Caleb King
Caleb King

I'm saying that mathematical proofs are pure logic with zero empirical evidence

Jaxson Cox
Jaxson Cox

The evidence is in showing you followed the rules of the given logic system for each deduction. I'm not sure if you have some profound point or if you have your own precise definitions that I can't see and it all amounts to semantics.

Hudson Young
Hudson Young

I just took offence to OP claiming that empirical evidence is the only thing that matters, completely ignoring logical reasoning

Lincoln Evans
Lincoln Evans

He kinda has a point since math doesn't use measurement. On the other hand I see it as a study of the way our brain sees things. It's actually insane that such level or rigour is possible given the topic at hand.

Ryder Martin
Ryder Martin

This is true, but for mathematicians, belief functions as a means to an end. They respect the provisional nature of knowledge, rather than simply making things up and settling on it.

If mathematicians were more like Christians, the answer to every equation would just be ∞

Joshua Butler
Joshua Butler

OP claiming that empirical evidence is the only thing that matters
I did not claim that. Why should anyone believe anything else though? If you put too much stock into a fantasy world, aren't you crippling yourself from adapting to the real world? Let's take it a step further: if new information comes to light, and the facts have changed, what does stubborn belief in any past knowledge, fiction or nonfiction, earn you? What is the point in living with a heavy burden of obsolete certainties weighing you down?

Jackson Reed
Jackson Reed

no one should believe anything. we should deal in reality as proven by either emprical evidence or logic.

Blake Murphy
Blake Murphy

Does it even matter if someone believes there is a god or creator or not?

This is the real question. Yes it does matter. If you lose religion then you lose your moral compass. This opens you up to a whole host of awful ideas – ideas that can make you weak, or even kill you. Case and point is transgenderism.

Carson Miller
Carson Miller

If you put too much stock into a fantasy world, aren't you crippling yourself from adapting to the real world?
Not user, but there are plenty of people who don't let their religions hamper their ability to think rationally in regards to their day-to-day. But generally speaking, I would agree that encouraging the belief in supernatural things sets a bad precedent.

what does stubborn belief in any past knowledge, fiction or nonfiction, earn you?
I really don't think it takes a an advanced knowledge of psychology and the human condition to understand why people believe the things they believe.

Thomas Nguyen
Thomas Nguyen

You realize religion isn't the only type of philosophy concerned with morality, right?

Joseph Nguyen
Joseph Nguyen

There is no objective point. Religion is an opiate of the masses. And that has positive and negative consequences. From a purely utilitarian point of view, religiosity tends to coincide with strong cultural, one could say traditional, values. When the "religion" enshrines positive traditions and values, or at least enough to out pace the negatives, then it tends to unite ethnic groups/tribes/cultures in a positive way. It promote togetherness, helps share languages, and leads to reduced violence.

I would point out my definition here could include everything from extreme anti-theism, Christendom, Islam, sjwism(?), and Confucianism. To be specific, I mean religion as a set of dogma and rituals/traditions that may not have explicit, physical benefits, but generates a social impact either directly or indirectly.

To be a dick: People believe <i> because <i> people believe. I view as something of an intellectual survival of the fittest.

Of course, with all other evolutionary traits it must change overtime, how judaism became christianity became islam, and under certain circumstances it becomes entirely undesirable.

TL;DR People believe because their ancestors believed and their ancestors believed because they were unintentionally conditioned to think certain actions caused reaction we now know to be false (magic or god(s) causing natural disasters).

Luis Gutierrez
Luis Gutierrez

Religion is an opiate of the masses
*tips yarmulke*

Julian Jackson
Julian Jackson

(me)
Just to clarify, I myself am something of a lapsed Christian. I'm schitzotypical and suffered a really shitty childhood, so the idea that their is a loving, parental figure who'll embrace me for all of eternity helps me sleep better at night. Even if I'm pretty sure its just fantasy sometimes.

I'm not dicking around with that statement. No one can deny that religion can either stir the proles into anger or calm them down into submission. It's just like internet porn and mass media.

Jace Ramirez
Jace Ramirez

If you lose religion then you lose your moral compass.
I think you need to back this up either by showing that it happens or that it was even a compass worth keeping.

A religious world: men telling men what is right and wrong through holy books.
A secular world: men telling men what is right and wrong through code of law.

What's the difference?

Lincoln Johnson
Lincoln Johnson

Objectively, and from a philosophical point of view, there is no difference. From a practical point of view, god and eternal damnation tends to be a hell of a lot more terrifying than a day in the stocks or a few lashes. Scale, I guess?

Jonathan Phillips
Jonathan Phillips

You realize religion isn't the only type of philosophy concerned with morality, right?

Christian philosophy is breddy good, so why not that one? It's been proven over millennia to produce great societies and great people. No other religion comes close.

Where does atheism lead? Usually to government being the people's god, which is why it's so hard by the powers that be. There may be the occasional Stephen Molyneaux or Neitsche, but you're neither of those people. Only the fittest philosophytards can manage to break through atheism and lead life well. Is a perspective that destroys almost all who touch it really something you want to dabble with? Religion is just another piece of evolution. Embrace it or be a neanderthal.

Ryan Cook
Ryan Cook

Faggot religion is pointless without faith.
You see almost every single religion in the world is just an excuse to do what they think feels good like more or less what said. Opiate of the masses is preety fucking accurate.

The only exception is Biblical Christianity and not the muh feels christian denominations out there that ZOG subverted. But I am biased in that being a christian. I would argue that I don't do what I feel is good. I do what I would not like in order to please God from what He says via his word, the Bible. Most people would call that faith. Because it makes no fucking sense not to do what is in your physical interest.

Lucas Carter
Lucas Carter

You shouldn't need to think too hard to come up with examples of religious people doing terrible things.

People are inherently selfish and find it difficult to resist their unscrupulous impulses (some more than others), and neither a belief in hell nor a knowledge of secular ethics seems to be much of a deterrent–this is why we have laws.

Robert Myers
Robert Myers

Christian philosophy
Do what you think feels good, philosophy based on logic and reason
Do what God says, based on what He says in His word, being a Christian
Pick one and only one. You probably prefer the earlier.
/thread

Mason Flores
Mason Flores

I was the user both of those times. Just thought you'd want to know.

In all seriousness, I'm glad you have a code and structure to live your life by. It helps a hell of a lot when the going gets tough, and I'm glad you have that.

That doesn't work for me. I studied the pagan traditions of judaism for a while and I grew massively dis enfranchised with the whole slew of religions stemming from it. I'm probably gonna go buddhist at some point.

Still, like OP said, Christianity can be traced back to a pagan, semitic religion (IE LoTR with HP and Narnia thrown in). I think its pretty hard to argue that's any different from Astrau or Shinto.

Sebastian Cook
Sebastian Cook

I think you need to back this up either by showing that it happens or that it was even a compass worth keeping.
Let's take the atheistic perspective and follow it to it's end. You are nothing more than a dank meme.You replicate, and spread your genes. Evolution has shaped every facet of you to do basically this. Look up stats on fag atheists. Atheism leads to faggotry. Look up stats on divorce, child bearing, or even just plain monetary success. Atheism is a loser ideology that will be bred out by evolution one way or another. Atheism may have been growing in the past, but that's only because the powers that be push it to destroy you.

A religious world: men telling men what is right and wrong through holy books.
A secular world: men telling men what is right and wrong through code of law.
What's the difference?

False equivalence. I'm not here to tell you religion is perfect. It is not. What's good about Protestant Christianity is that it produces a culture and society with freedom, innovation, and happiness. Nobody can rewrite the bible. The real difference is that your ruled by Jesus instead of a bunch of elitist bankers who hate you and want to make you weak. I know where the road of Christianity leads. It is a path I would like to follow. I pick Jesus.

Gabriel Gomez
Gabriel Gomez

Biblical Christianity and not the muh feels christian denominations out there that ZOG subverted
So are you not aware that Christianity itself, as in the "original" version portrayed in the bible, is a Semitic religion without any additional subverting required or are you just fucking with us?

Asher Long
Asher Long

Do what you think feels good, philosophy based on logic and reason
This is a path of destruction. Hedonism will create your own personal hell on earth.

Do what God says, based on what He says in His word, being a Christian
God is good. I know this so I follow him.

Pick one and only one. You probably prefer the earlier.
I pick strength. I pick God.

Lincoln Ross
Lincoln Ross

See:

Christian philosophy is breddy good, so why not that one?
I think perhaps the best universal maxim is "do unto others as you would have them do unto you". Do I need religion and the threat of eternal punishment to try and live by it? Certainly not, and the vast majority of Christian concepts are hardly unique to Christianity, anyway. I think the majority of Christians are pretty shit at assimilating their moral constructs, and they actually """believe""" they'll go to hell if they're not good little boys and girls.

If we really do need to propagate myth in order to preserve the species, then it's probably best we die off. In fact, not to sound too edgy, but I think there's a pretty solid case to be made for antinatalism, but I suppose that's another discussion.

This idea that religion is the main thing that keeps people in line is nonsense.

Adrian Foster
Adrian Foster

god and eternal damnation tends to be a hell of a lot more terrifying
Yeah, but what do you do when people stop buying that bullshit?

Luke Morris
Luke Morris

Oh look, another stupid nigger who doesn't understand bell curves. Your public school education failed you.

Religious people are *generally* more moral than atheists.

Benjamin Diaz
Benjamin Diaz

A response from a different user in two parts.

First, and? Atheism is only an unsuccessful ideology in modern society because it has been co opted by degenerates and idiots. About 15(ish) years ago, it was lead by a group of men generally intent on enlightening the world. Now, it needs a purge, because, like an animal in the wild, it's become diseased. Eventually the idiots and degenerates will die off and there could be a revival of the philosophy. Intellectual survival of the fittest.

Secondly, holy fucking shit, the bible is rewritten every fucking month! Not just the king james version, but every time a new edition of 20 different publishers are put out, changes are made! Far be it for me to defend the 1%, but a hell of a lot of them espouse Christianity and as far as I can tell, you don't have the authority to claim they aren't true christians unless you want to claim you have the truest, most objectively correct interpretation of a 2000 year old book.

Also, user, remember that pepe and meme magic are parts of Chan myth, yet, according to the main stream media, we put Trump in the white house with them. Don't view mythology as just a crutch, but see it as a means to satisfy certain desires in a less destructive manner. Especially if the religion itself is less destructive than, say, Islam or Progressiveism.

Wear your brown pants and hope you can feed the Nobs to the horde looking to hang their overlords before they can get their hands on you?
Seriously though, people just feed themselves a different type of bullshit. We seem to have a near physical need, as a species, for a higher power or cosmic purpose.
Also, do you know the funniest thing? People still buy that bullshit wholesale, every god damned day.

Henry Cook
Henry Cook

Oh look, not a single graph in sight to illustrate your utterly baseless claim

Christopher Brooks
Christopher Brooks

religion is better. end of conversation. not interested in your opinion.

Brayden Ortiz
Brayden Ortiz

Islam and Christianity are mutually exclusive, ergo, according to the both, the other is living in sin. Therefore, according to religion, the majority of religious people are living a sinful life. With that understood, we can now understand that religious people are actually all immoral.

Julian Morales
Julian Morales

Thanks for stopping by, pal.

Jack Green
Jack Green

Scratch that, the logic may have been funny, but even I am ashamed of how lazy that was.

Allow me to restate: Religions are mutually exclusive, therefore, someone not meeting all tenets of all religions, so long as he believes in one, is living in sin. This is due to the fact that no religion is verifiably true, as such, all religions are equally true. That is, as true as something that can not be proven or dis proven can be.

As such, all religious people are, vaguely, equally immoral and sinful. Therefore, only atheists and agnostics can be moral. As such, non-theists, in general, are more moral than the entirety of all theists.

Jeremiah Adams
Jeremiah Adams

Also, user, remember that pepe and meme magic are parts of Chan myth, yet, according to the main stream media, we put Trump in the white house with them. Don't view mythology as just a crutch, but see it as a means to satisfy certain desires in a less destructive manner.
Actually, you bring up something that illustrates my point perfectly: The fact that Trump and his bootlickers used Christianity to help win the election is, as far as I'm concerned, a case-in-point that Christianity doesn't necessarily lead to people becoming more Christ-like.

Asher Ross
Asher Ross

To be fair, I am a trumpcuck. I voted for him mostly because I though Hilldog was gonna start WW3. Guess it didn't matter huh?

But yeah. Appeals to christendom do not, inherently, make individuals more christian. Still, I think trump was the less destructive of the choices so I would personally mark this up as something positive done with the aid of christianity.

Adam Powell
Adam Powell

think perhaps the best universal maxim is "do unto others as you would have them do unto you".
That's a good start, but there's more that is needed than simply this. Inside of Christianity strength. For example one Christian virtue is gluttony. It is sinful to engage in excess. This is a virtue our culture desperately needs as hedonistic atheists push things like "fat acceptance" and other such filth.

Do I need religion and the threat of eternal punishment to try and live by it? Certainly not
Do you need caffeine in the morning? Certainly not. But you probably take it anyway because it makes you a better, stronger person.

and the vast majority of Christian concepts are hardly unique to Christianity
Christianity shares some concepts with other religions. That does not make these concepts any less useful or good. In fact, it supports the notion that these are useful concepts to live by.

anyway. I think the majority of Christians are pretty shit at assimilating their moral constructs, and they actually """believe""" they'll go to hell if they're not good little boys and girls.
I never said it was perfect, or that people are perfect. I only assert that Christianity makes you a little bit more perfect. One could say it makes you a bit more close to God.

If we really do need to propagate myth in order to preserve the species, then it's probably best we die off. In fact, not to sound too edgy, but I think there's a pretty solid case to be made for antinatalism, but I suppose that's another discussion.
You're weak. This is exactly why atheism is a shit ideology.

This idea that religion is the main thing that keeps people in line is nonsense.
Says the weak guy. lmao

Oliver Lee
Oliver Lee

Still, I think trump was the less destructive of the choices so I would personally mark this up as something positive done with the aid of christianity.
This never ceases to amaze me. Good talk, user

Benjamin Lewis
Benjamin Lewis

wah I need a spoonfeeding

Pick something you believe is good and look up some unpozzed scholarly studies on it. I don't know what atheists believe is good. Sometimes it's nothing.

Ayden Brooks
Ayden Brooks

G'night anons. I had fun debating with you guys. Still wish we could more of these going. Most of the time these threads get spammed or derailed.
Catch yah Holla Forumsros later.

Not to be a cunt and post and run, but your second point is unarguably wrong. If you are dependent on caffeine to function, you're an addict, not stronger.

And in general, you're not making a coherent argument user. I'd suggest you take a step back and re order your thoughts.

And the idea that anyone would vote for Bernie is laughable to me. "shrug" Guess that's just us being different. Thanks for being chill my leftybro. Catch yah on the flipside.

Anthony Baker
Anthony Baker

I meant Protestant Christians are generally more moral than atheists. idc about islam, not getting into semantics

Michael Fisher
Michael Fisher

This is a virtue our culture desperately needs as hedonistic atheists push things like "fat acceptance" and other such filth.
KEK! Without a source, I'm as certain as I could possibly be that the Christian population in the U.S. is fatter than the non-religious population. Also, I think you probably spend too much time online focusing on the fringes.

But you probably take it anyway because it makes you a better, stronger person.
Actually, it just raises my anxiety and makes me crash earlier in the day–this actually serves as a fitting analogy.

In fact, it supports the notion that these are useful concepts to live by.
Sure, it depends on the moral concept. But as I said earlier, there is no substantial evidence that Christians are more decent human beings than atheists.

I only assert that Christianity makes you a little bit more perfect.
At this point, I'm actually a little embarrassed that I'm responding to this post.

You're weak
Something tells me you have a very superficial idea of what constitutes strength.

Jason Rodriguez
Jason Rodriguez

A response from a different user in two parts.

First, and? Atheism is only an unsuccessful ideology in modern society because it has been co opted by degenerates and idiots. About 15(ish) years ago, it was lead by a group of men generally intent on enlightening the world.
It only took 15ish years for your shit ideology to get pozzed. Atheism is weak and therefore bad, even from a purely evolutionary standpoint.

Secondly, holy fucking shit, the bible is rewritten every fucking month! Not just the king james version, but every time a new edition of 20 different publishers are put out, changes are made! Far be it for me to defend the 1%, but a hell of a lot of them espouse Christianity and as far as I can tell, you don't have the authority to claim they aren't true christians unless you want to claim you have the truest, most objectively correct interpretation of a 2000 year old book.
I read KJV only. I don't need to claim I have the truest, most objectively correct interpretation. I don't give a fuck about that. My interpretation is a source of strength for me and so I follow it. People have been trying to pozz Christianity for centuries and it's still standing, not unscathed, but it's still a great philosophy.

Gavin Wood
Gavin Wood

anytime, friendo!

Kayden Russell
Kayden Russell

You're missing the point about caffeine.

If we really do need to propagate myth in order to preserve the species, then it's probably best we die off

If we really do need to propagate myth in order to preserve the species, then it's probably best we die off

If we really do need to propagate myth in order to preserve the species, then it's probably best we die off

If we really do need to propagate myth in order to preserve the species, then it's probably best we die off

If we really do need to propagate myth in order to preserve the species, then it's probably best we die off

If we really do need to propagate myth in order to preserve the species, then it's probably best we die off

If we really do need to propagate myth in order to preserve the species, then it's probably best we die off

If we really do need to propagate myth in order to preserve the species, then it's probably best we die off

This is all I need to see to know that your ideology is garbage. From an evolutionary standpoint, this is a loser ideology that will be weeded out. Christianity to me is akin to the eyebrows on my head that keep the sweat out of my eyes. I will reproduce the eyebrows and they will help me reproduce the rest of my genes. It is a symbiotic relationship that I embrace. Enjoy your sweaty eyes nigger.

Parker Cox
Parker Cox

You're arguing against the analogy. Caffeine is just a placeholder for something that makes you a better person. Replace it with a vitamin or something if you want to be that pedantic. Protestant Christianity makes people better, and I don't actually care if it's true or not. I take it anyways because it doesn't need to be true to work. Faith is strength.

David Brown
David Brown

Alright, this is my last response, 'cause you seem a little special.

1. Atheism is not an ideology
2. Technically, I'm agnostic because I acknowledge that I can't disprove the existence of God (or any other supernatural thing for that matter). But I can say, beyond a reasonable doubt, that there's no good reason to believe it, given the absence of tangible evidence to support any notion of God.

I think intellectual honesty and a logical search for truth makes one "stronger".

G'night

Noah Ortiz
Noah Ortiz

BULLSHIT. BULLSHIT. FUCK YOU. WE'RE HAVING A REASONABLE DISCUSSION HERE. GET THE FUCK OFF THE PHONE

Brandon Davis
Brandon Davis

I think intellectual honesty and a logical search for truth makes one "stronger".

I hope you don't fall into any of the traps that agnostics tend to fall into. There's lots of them. After watching my steps, trying to avoid all the traps, eventually I realized that I was basically striving to be a Protestant Christian and faithlessness was just another trap to be avoided. Good luck.

If we really do need to propagate myth in order to preserve the species, then it's probably best we die off
btw I keep quoting this because it's a trap you've already fallen into

Isaiah Jones
Isaiah Jones

we are the same person

Eli Hill
Eli Hill

is harry potter real?
is humpty dumpty real?
are the three little pigs and the big bad wolf real?

no. but you still tell kids these stories.
you tell stories that aren't real because they're still true.

a hero is the one who breaks the rules constantly, learns his strength comes from his parents who sacrificed so much for him, who may want to wait for a hero to save him but must be the one who saves himself
a fall from a great height will kill you, and it won't be like a graze on the knee
different people build up different things, and because of that some will fail and some will succeed, so it's better to build something strong

Brandon Wood
Brandon Wood

*shoves banana up the ass*

Tyler Moore
Tyler Moore

What is the point in believing in something without empirical evidence to back it up?

B-b-b-but science does this all the time!
Take for example the assertion that something without mass does not exist. It is something that science holds as fact, despite never actually testing for it (primarily because it can't). It is one of the foundational concepts of physics, and there is no empirical evidence to back it up.

Isaac Bailey
Isaac Bailey

Believing
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John King
John King

Can we get a
HAIL ERIS!
up in here?

Ayden Edwards
Ayden Edwards

HUZZAH! fno​rd

Jacob Foster
Jacob Foster

fno​rd
Did you see one too, Dysnomia?
I didn't know you got up this early! Although lately…

Carter Gonzalez
Carter Gonzalez

I didn't see anything!
Are you going to tell me there's nothing to see?
I am certain She is Invisible because I cannot see Her.
I believe She is Pink and horny, just like me because I choose to.
<PBUH!

Kevin Smith
Kevin Smith

photons and neutrinos are both massless particles. it only says that if they have no mass then they must travel at the speed of light

Aiden Jones
Aiden Jones

what is this shit

Liam Diaz
Liam Diaz

When you'll live long enough, at some point you'll start noticing weird shit in this world. Far more weird than the fact that jews control the world, by being a majority of most succesful countries' government, of the globalist elitist circle, and many other things, like managers and presidents of media and entertainment companies.
And, at that point, you will understand that what's happening right now is far more deep than the simple organisations of kikes.
At that point, you will find the needed information only by studying and understanding the God, and the Bible.

Grayson Diaz
Grayson Diaz

logic is a mechanism to which u feed information. U dont have information about gods, i.e. evidence

Colton White
Colton White

therefore shove bananas up the ass and have sex with everyone you know

Julian Peterson
Julian Peterson

The only exception is Biblical Christianity and not the muh feels christian denominations out there that ZOG subverted. But I am biased in that being a christian.
wew, lad
my religion has it right, cuz its mine

Leo White
Leo White

not only is it a slippery slope fallacy, but also u didnt show how sex toys and sex is bad

Easton Torres
Easton Torres

therefore deflower my sister and impregnate my mother

John Murphy
John Murphy

if they want it and r hot, how is it bad, faggot?

Brayden Gomez
Brayden Gomez

(checked)
Ok, these dubs convince me somewhat
Also a question for you Catholic Christianity is the best Christianity, right? All these these other variations (probably excluding Protestants and the Eastern Orthodox) are just kike-infested copies?

Jordan Sanders
Jordan Sanders

as u get older, your brain starts to malfunction and u go insane. Then, dumb shit makes sense

Christian Ward
Christian Ward

therefore skull-fuck your pet dog and finger your dad in his sleep

Aaron Gomez
Aaron Gomez

why?

Jayden Evans
Jayden Evans

It can be hard to explain to someone who isn't already religious, like explaining what red looks like to a colorblind person, i guess?
However, If you want something purely tangible, the eternally fulfilling knowledge that everything you do is essentially a test of courage in an endless series of battles against an enemy who can only win Pyrrhic victories is nice.

Ryan Torres
Ryan Torres

t.neckbearded young edgelord
wasted trips

Ayden Flores
Ayden Flores

they r not wasted
stay delusional, retard

Ethan Thompson
Ethan Thompson

because why not? god does not exist, right? so why not?

Gavin Roberts
Gavin Roberts


shit, stop wasting our precious numbers with your edgy posts

Benjamin Hughes
Benjamin Hughes

how bout because i dont want to rape your dog, or father? Why would i cause them harm, if they didnt cause me harm?

Charles Baker
Charles Baker

stop being retarded

Bentley Ortiz
Bentley Ortiz

cause actions have consequences and u need to live with them

Joseph Williams
Joseph Williams

voodoo is the one true religion dubs confirm

Robert Lewis
Robert Lewis

i would if i were
btw you did it again, faggot

Parker Martin
Parker Martin

u r and u clearly cant
whats the proof of god again?

Dylan Campbell
Dylan Campbell

eugghhh ooga booga look at me i'm a logician i need proofs and facts spoonfeed me urrgh

Jordan Gutierrez
Jordan Gutierrez

so u dont have any and im right - nice of u to actually admit it

Cooper Johnson
Cooper Johnson

What is the point in believing in something without empirical evidence to back it up?
A lot of people are in desperate need of beliving there's some superior intelligence, that their suffering is part of a master plan.

Caleb Ortiz
Caleb Ortiz

ITT the circlejerking of fedora tippers

Elijah Price
Elijah Price

has nothing to say
comes over and speaks

Tyler Ward
Tyler Ward

All right lads let us settle this. Let's try to make it as rational as possible. And let's forget religions for a while. We have to discuss God first.

We will never understand God, but what's obvious is, it is not a human, it does not have feelings like love, hate, boredom. For example if God loves us then why did it create us? Creating heaven and hell, or stuff like that makes it guaranteed that some people will go to hell and suffer.

Neither God hates us, because we can feel pain.

Let's not forget that Gos will never show or prove itself by making the slightest effect fo Earth. It will kill the faith because you have proof that God exists. You don't believe or not believe water because you can prove it.

I will write more hold up

Henry Wright
Henry Wright

It's true. Everyone smarter than you is an uncool fedora tipper (aka nerd). You should continue believing everything your parents and society told you while growing up including Santa Claus and the Tooth Fairy. After all this is Never Land and independent, thinking adults are the enemy deserving of the utmost disdain and enmity.

Jose Peterson
Jose Peterson

It would be dumb to be atheist because you can't prove that God doesn't exist. If you want benefit, you either believe in God or be agnostic. Both way you are either correct or it will never be proved.

Atheism has a chance to be wrong as well. If we could actually understand any sort of higher being or purpose of life, you actually kill the purpose itself.

Let's say you play a vidya and you finish it, experience all of it. What's the point of playing it again if you know the experience? Dumb example but get the point.

We will never understand the purpose of life, God, because if we could, we would be God as wel.

Our purpose is to search the purpose but never find it. If we could find the purpose, there wouldn't be any purpose to learn

Nathan Thomas
Nathan Thomas

Me again. If there is no God, no reason of life, then why would anything exist. Something is, well, something because it has a reason. Everything has a reason.

If there is no God or reason to life, a human shouldn't build society. It would either do whatever it wants or commkt suicide. There is no judgement for actions.

It still confuses me as why atheists act normal if they truly believe that God is not real. They either want to be edgy, seek attention or they understood concept of God and life wrong.

Only seeing Christianity when it comes to God or religion would make me atheist as well.

I can't blame anyone for what they do or believe

Joseph Powell
Joseph Powell

without empirical evidence to back it up
There is a great deal of empirical evidence on the matter, as well as arguments for both side which imply relevant conclusions. The fact that you don't know this means you're probably not very well read on the topic. Whether it is enough to warrant or compel belief or disbelief is the contention.

TBH if God exists he probably doesn't give a shit whether or not earthlings believe in Him.

Does it even matter?
Putting aside the possibility of an afterlife, your current life objectively does not matter if God doesn't real and (probably) matters or will at least be observed by an omniscient being if he does. That's not a reason to think God exists, it's just a fact.

Heat death is going to happen no matter what you or I do or how long we live, and there will not even be ruins to mark our passing; it's all vanity.

As far as evidence goes, the ones theists use are usually
the universe began
If God doesn't exist neither to objective morals
the universe is fine-tuned for life
etc

The evidence against God is usually something like
evil exists
if God exists he's hidden
evil god arguments
etc

Oliver Fisher
Oliver Fisher

Before you jump head first into making a post, if your goal is to engage in fruitful discussion, it is normal to actually read what you are replying to first. Confused? Here's a hint: I made no claim about ____. I'll leave it to you to fill in the blank.

Logan Reed
Logan Reed

religious discussion
user says there is evidence for and against god to discuss, that the OP didn't even point out

OP is making a fuckload of fedora and baseless claims and isn't interested in a "fruitful discussion" (this is Holla Forums)

Isaac Turner
Isaac Turner

It is precisely because this is Holla Forums that you can count on this being a place to have fruitful discussion. Where else do you think this will be discussed without being shutdown on this website where there are enough people to actually respond in stimulating quantity? /pol/ frequently deletes these types of discussions even though the religion of the masses is always heavily influential in politics, and a board such as /christ/ or /christian/ would likely censor out of the usual religious fanboyism that doesn't allow discussion of other ideas.

Robert Rodriguez
Robert Rodriguez

baseless claims
Point out a single claim you have contention with. I can see myself doing a little homework to show you what I refer to if you have patience and aren't too demanding.

Jordan Wood
Jordan Wood

faith is for suckers

Jonathan Hill
Jonathan Hill

Not him but you did claim many religious stories are retellings of older stories. Then you seem to imply that that could falsify them, and that if a religious text were falsified the religion itself could be falsified

At best nothing you said has meaning, and by the same merit I could claim that many 'stories' in the quran are factual and have been historically verified

Furthermore your entire OP is implication after implication

Oliver King
Oliver King

Just saw , don't waste your time if you think this is fruitful discussion. I'll just go troll /christian/; them calling me a fedora is more of a 'fruitful discussion' than this.

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