Not a leftist, but what mechanism can the left create to prevent socialism to become state dictatorships?

not a leftist, but what mechanism can the left create to prevent socialism to become state dictatorships?

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What state?

1. Entire population needs to be educated and capable of thinking for themselves, and want socialism of their own desire
2. Revolution must happen peacefully not in the context of civil wars, foreign aggression, famines etc

but marx said all revolutions (especially the bourgeois ones) were successful through war

why shouldn't the left fight?

Everyday Makhno Day.

how can socialism prevail without a state to protect and guide the workers

didn't the paris commune experiment failed because of a lack of state?

i'm not trying to start a fight, I'm just uneducated about leftism, and an anarchist POV would be wonderful

The global scenario is the biggest determinant for that tbh. There's no point in trying to think of mechanisms for that in the abstract, without knowing in which reality they'd have to be applied.

Paris commune failed because of the austrian army, they were outnumbered

good question. The most awaited answer next to Cold Fusion.

Remove the state and you are conquered by your own military. Remove the military and you are conquered by someone else's military.

Can anyone give examples of a successful revolution that did not occurr without
(1) An established wealthy class that wanted more rights?
(2) That didn't require the leadership of one individual through force of personality/brand recognition?
(3) A First World country or Imperial Power overseeing the government transition?

"successful" is a broad term, but for example the French and Russian revolution occurred but not without a good about of political lynchings, witchhunts, and surpression of speech right after the revolution. On the other hand the American revolution had very little post-conflict and largely guaranteed freedom of speech and safety of its populous.

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So the Paris commune failed because it was weak


That's because the founding fathers weren't damn dirty commie pinkos

The state makes no real difference in military strength, this is a meme from 80 years ago in the Spanish Civil War that was used by Moscow to gain a greater influence over the republican government. What makes somebody good at fighting is skill, not any of that disciplinarian nonsense. The 5th regiment were trained to salute and march more than to fight, there's no substance at all to this kind of authoritarian rhetoric.

It's not that "uncontrollables" can't beat fascism or imperialism or whatever the memer accuses, it's that people who had never shot a gun before the actual military coup they are resisting happened can't.

If power corrupts and absolute power corrupts absolutely, how can a successful transition take place?

Well at least try to hide the fact that you have never been in the military before.

Why are you on this board and not throwing a puppy off a cliff?

I came here to laugh.

nice trips

I really wish constitutional federalists would leave this board.

why won't you recognize America as the most successful facist state without the evil branding of a Nazi Holocaust? We're so successfuly because we use capitalism as a way to avoid responsibility. Now if we could just get the blacks to shutup about slavery we might be able to portray ourselves as the Greater Good of the Earth.

Genocide/colonisation, or as the regressive left calls it - multiculturalism/diversity

READ a fucking BOOK and become a leftist

Get on our level, fascist.

Now you are ready for Hillary!

Socialism doesn't 'become a dictatorship'
Socialism can be voluntary, or it can be forced onto people through dictatorship.

kek

That's the same line of reasoning as the alt-right:
I mean, I'm not saying terrorists aren't terrorists, but terrorists are implicitly "monocultural."

perhaps it is unfair to ask why a peaceful revolution hasn't occurred, in the same way that capitalism surrounds us so a socialist society can only truely grow in a vacuum without the vitriol that comes with political debate.

State is a result of class struggle. Socialism means no classes, so no state.

Exactly why multiculturalism does not work, they have no desire to integrate, and realistically speaking they can't. Their systems of belief won't allow it - some beliefs just contradict too much with the host nations. One culture will always seek to dominate another. Humans are tribal.

evola pls go

Tell me, are you a communist or a capitalist?

A realist

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Okay, so an ideologue. Cool.

You have no idea how the military works

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Nice argument. I am now a #Hillicopter


And yourself?


Try using this thing called 'The Google'

Bored.

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Paris commune failed for the same reasons France failed in WW2.

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paris commune failed because there were french people

Actually, it failed because Prussia had Bismarck. Who capture a bunch of French soldiers during the war and released them during the Commune to "defend" France from socialism.

Stop putting your faith in vanguard party lunatics and realism that socialism must come from the bottom up and not top down.

Kinda. The state is the tool of class oppression, used by the bourgeoisie to mediate the conflict/contradiction with the proletariat. Socialism, while removing domestic opposition (and thereby bringing about a "dictatorship of the proletariat") still needs to deal with counter-revolutionaries (ex. the bourgeois of other states).

Therefore, socialism implies a single class (proletariat) in control of the state as a tool to stamp out the remaining bourgeois strongholds. Once porky is out of the picture, the state is no longer necessary, as is the class identity of the people.

People make the military work. Humans using technology make the military work. All other aspects are cultural copnstructs and may work, but that doesn't mean they are the only possible way of working.

In questions of human power-lust, consider the following:

How can I hunger for power, if there is no power to have?

My power-lust displays itself in situations in which I could possibly have power. I do not feel power-lust in situations where there is no role of power that could possibly be made or taken up.

If people lust for power, of some kind, let that manifest itself elsewhere; in sports or in games. Political structures can be designed so as that no one role is a power in of itself, with systems to keep each role in check and balanced. What power could I lust for, in that political structure?