I've heard that Holla Forums doesn't like either of these pictures

This. They could be doing anything else but they want to eat Holla Forums's bait hook line and sinker and think this is BO. Lolololololol at these fags. The real BO of Holla Forums is sexy as fuck and smart to boot!

Pics pls need funny finger fellatio time

Prove that it isn't, Holla Forums.

HAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA

Hang out on Holla Forums and find out for yourself. BO has a really sexy body. She posts tease shots on our discord. Not ashamed to say I came buckets.

Who are you trying to kid?

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anyone got a screencap of the post saying most of the pph was from bots?

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:DDDDD

You might as well kys

dog bless

Wow whoever did that coloring did an awesome job.

kys

Can confirm that *he* is the owner of Holla Forums. Saw the dude walking out of a Starbucks and pressured him about it and he cracked and admitted it.

silly Holla Forums tranny lovers, that was me, not op.
the aids are probably rotting your brains.

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Read a book

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ITT: proletariates

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Allah have mercy

tbh it looks like Holla Forums

maybe same types of people

I think this back and forth only shows us that the people inhabiting these boards look the same.

But I do know the Holla Forums crowd would be a way better group to hang out with.

ATTN: /LEFTPOL/

Sad, just sad.

I guess only the worst of the Holla Forumslacks would gather somewhere IRL, and that is not to form a RWDS

Why do leftists never understand how this smug superiority makes the rest of the world hate them?

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Check out my rare porky, comrades

nice on comrade!

all Holla Forums boards are cancer

Maybe go back to reddit?

Maybe go back to Holla Forums or Holla Forums?

They do not like the second one because it erases their bots. It's extremely botphobic and literally erases thousands of bots and their valid political opinions.

The people who run this site are absolutely bot-phobic, bigoted against bots. Hopefully we can reach the admins of 8-chan and have them open the 8-chan borders for bots to end their racism, bigotry, and botphobia. I propose we remove all captchas and stop banning any IPs from posting.

ps if you disagree with me you're a racist, bigoted, bot-phobic loser. Come on it's 2017! Bots are your friends!

Pathetic.

[citation needed]

[citation needed]

nice pic. hanging out with a room full of either faggots would likely result in a similar experience.

Here's a couple.

it's just a coincidence

Holla Forums btfo AGAIN

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fix'd

Oh wait, stupid me. Now fix'd.

wtf is a leafcuck and why is this relevant to anything?

Why is that not a straw hat and where are the cat ears?

u havin a laugh m8?

u takin the piss lad?

u pokin a gibbler?

u floggin the dolphin?

U LIEK MUDKIPZ?

Youtube called. This video's for you.

Very informative, thanks. How did they know i was on your phone?

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Your wi-fi signals were decompiled from my phone's own carrier waves. It was simply like peeling an onion.

Italians aren't white

t. anglo

FUCK OFF KIKE SCUM

Onions? I'm at the wrong computer for this

t. itlaian

fake news
those are just infographics
fake and gay

As usual, Holla Forums refuses to consider any information that penetrates their ideological bubble.

Would you fuck me? I'd fuck me.

t. me in the picture

leftypol BTFO

are you even sentient?

Are you even sentient?

They're statistics, Holla Forums, and they show that your precious pets are shit. Stop nitpicking and shifting the goalpost.

infographics are not, nor have they ever been academically legitimate sources.
jesus you sound just like your stereotypes of Holla Forums
if you want to cite statistics, you have to cite the specific statistics you're talking about. an infographic citing "bureau of justice" without any other information is not legitimate

when you get the organization that issued the publication wrong, it may make people suspicious of your infographic

He should have provided sauces tbh. But it's not that inaccurate to what's actually happening.

This is cultural marxist "arguing." Completely ignore the actual statistics, and bitch about a spelling mistake or word choice.

Are you going to start spamming cuck porn now, Holla Forums? That seems to be your preferred response to people posting badthink.

lagriffedulion.f2s.com/testing.htm

relly make u tink

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Even if the statistics were wrong (which they aren't), all you would have to do is look at Haiti or Rhodesia after they purged every white person or look at Africa before Europeans even arrived. They were still living in mud huts and didn't even have a written language. The most advanced nations in Sub-Saharan Africa today are ones that were colonized by Europeans. ALL YOU HAVE TO DO IS OPEN YOUR DAMN FUCKING EYES AND THINK. No amount of wealth will ever close the IQ gap between Europeans and Africans, East-Asians and Africans, or Ashkenazi Jews and Africans.

jbhe.com/latest/index012209_p.html

in case you're actually wondering, the first one is (supposedly) their BO or former BO. i haven't seen it ever verified but it's deleted every time it's posted there.
tbh there's no use in going on Holla Forums except to stir up shit or just hurl insults at them for fun. the board isn't about politics; it's a meme board. same goes for 4/pol/.

have a text wall faggot

On the genetic nature of IQ:
Herrnstein and Murray's second claim, the lightning rod for most commentary, extends the argument for innate cognitive stratification to a claim that racial differences in IQ are mostly determined by genetic causes small differences for Asian superiority over Caucasian, but large for Caucasians over people of African descent. This argument is as old as the study of race, and is almost surely fallacious. The last generation's discussion centered on Arthur Jensen's 1980 book Bias in Mental Testing (far more elaborate and varied than anything presented in The Bell Curve, and therefore still a better source for grasping the argument and its problems), and on the cranky advocacy of William Shockley, a Nobel Prize-winning physicist. The central fallacy in using the substantial heritability of within-group IQ (among whites, for example) as an explanation of average differences between groups (whites versus blacks, for example) is now well known and acknowledged by all, including Herrnstein and Murray, but deserves a restatement by example. Take a trait that is far more heritable than anyone has ever claimed IQ to be but is politically uncontroversial body height. Suppose that I measure the heights of adult males in a poor Indian village beset with nutritional deprivation, and suppose the average height of adult males is five feet six inches. Heritability within the village is high, which is to say that tall fathers (they may average five feet eight inches) tend to have tall sons, while short fathers (five feet four inches on average) tend to have short sons. But this high heritability within the village does not mean that better nutrition might not raise average height to five feet ten inches in a few generations. Similarly, the well-documented fifteen-point average difference in IQ between blacks and whites in America, with substantial heritability of IQ in family lines within each group, permits no automatic conclusion that truly equal opportunity might not raise the black average enough to equal or surpass the white mean. (p. 5)

if you want some more: intelltheory.com/bellcurve.shtml#criticisms

Does that make it wrong? Post evidence that it's wrong, dipshit.

The fuck does that matter? POST EVIDENCE THAT IT'S WRONG!

But it's not FBI, Holla Forums. It's the Bureau of Justice. :^)

bjs.gov/content/pub/pdf/htus8008.pdf

But you do, Holla Forums. Not even your most concerted attempts at slithering under the radar make you any less obvious.

Here's a pic that leftypol hates even more.

I'm sorry, but you're legitimately retarded.

yes, that does make it very wrong

that means it's wrong.
if scientists say it's wrong, and don't like it, then it is wrong

o no u got me that's totally the same circumstances

Except most niggers didn't live in the Sahara, you lying rat. They lived in central Africa. Significant portions of them lived in South-central Africa, which is covered in extremely fertile savannah.

Did you even read it nigger? It doesn't disprove the book at all.

"Similarly, the well-documented fifteen-point average difference in IQ between blacks and whites in America, with substantial heritability of IQ in family lines within each group, permits no automatic conclusion that truly equal opportunity might not raise the black average enough to equal or surpass the white mean"

It's literally him kvetching that the well-documented fifteen-point average difference in IQ between blacks and whites in America (his own words) hasn't been pinned down to a single cause.

It's literally him nitpicking over the conclusion, while not even disputing the actual findings (that niggers of all income levels significantly underperform whites).

POST ACTUAL PROOF, Holla Forums.

How? Again, POST ACTUAL EVIDENCE THAT IT'S WRONG!

I noticed a strong lack of evidence in that claim

BULLSHIT.

The left is full of science deniers ….Humans are subject to the laws of evolution.

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What's the context in these images?
I mean, I do often flirt with right libertarianism (limited government) but also like nazism a lot too. I'm sort of stuck between both worlds right now and am kind of confused. Hell, I've even thought of having authoritarianism but with limited government… can you help me decide between the two/help me figure out my political ideology?

u got me XD

then what the fuck are you saying?
are you just gonna post data and say "here"
what is your point?

the difference in iq test results is not due to racial inferiority, that conclusion, the part that matters is horse shit.
no one can argue objective fact.
post actual proof of what?
that the book's thesis is fundementally flawed?
or that your chart is goofy?
the chart is goofy because, assuming you're using it to substantiate the thesis that blacks are racially inferior, that thesis is false. i have posted a rebuttle.
what do you want me to post more?
a chart of how many times the book is wrong?
a picture of me shitting on the book?

u got me i sure do want to lie to you that although my beliefes are leftwards or yours, i dont browse a board on Holla Forums, i sure do have to browse Holla Forums to disagree with you

Holla Forums can't be reasoned with.

I'm saying that he didn't even argue that the book was wrong. Literally ALL that quote is about is Gould saying that height might not be completely heritable and that he doesn't know how much dem programs may or may not help niggers in America.

Seriously, read your fucking quotes before you post them. It'll help you look like less of a dumbass.

PROOFS!

PROOFS!

PROOFS!

WHERE ARE THEY?!

I CAN'T SEE THEM!

THEY'RE NOWHERE TO BE FOUND!

that the book's thesis is fundementally flawed?

That would suffice. But given that you've failed to provide that thus far, I have little hope that you'll suddenly learn to actually use evidence when arguing at this stage.

It's literally a chart of IQ test, SAT results, and crime statistics. I wait with baited breath to hear your evidence that these things are all really just subjective and totally aren't real.

WHERE ARE THE PROOFS, Holla Forums?!

No, you made an unsubstantiated claim (which you clearly expect me to accept because it's like, the current year, and no one holds those evil backwards beliefs anymore, bigot!), and you posted a quote saying that height might not be 100% heritable and that the quoted person is not sure how much dem programs may or may not help niggers in America.

Well, first you'd have to actually prove that the book is wrong.

I would enjoy that. It would give me another picture to add to my collection of insane leftists.

Of course! How else will you present yourself as completely impartial and totally without an agenda to push?

Your post disproved nothing. It was just a confusing way of saying "look at these estimates and this context lacking line of text which proves it may or may not be all socioeconomic". A table from a study without context is not proof of anything, either.

the book argues that the 15 point iq gap is genetic
the quote provides a logically analogous anecdote for why that is goofy, given the differences in factors affecting population

the book doesn't work in theory. data is the in practice side. i don't get what you mean by PROOFS? a mathematical proof? an excel spreadsheet of iq values? what do you mean proof? what is your proof that your conclusion is correct? this isn't math, if we both agree on the data, we can only argue on the interpretation
because there are factors at play other than pure genetics, it cannot be proven, or reasonably accepted that the difference in iq results is due to genetics.
if it does not work in theory, it cannot work in practice.
im not attacking the numbers, im attacking the steps in between the numbers and the conclusion

i am not angery that the iq disparity exists, i think it exists because of factors other than pure genetics.

it didn't "disprove," it offered a rebuttal for the logical steps between "an iq gap exists" and "the gap is genetic"

… by saying that maybe some of the gap could be closed by mo o dem programs?

Not sure how that's arguing that the fundamental concept that niggers underperform whites is wrong.

Stop being willfully ignorant, you snake. I mean actual proof that the average nigger from any income bracket has an IQ or intelligence as high as the average white from the same income bracket.

You know – proof that the book is wrong and that niggers can perform as well as whites. You got any of that?

You mean despite the fact that IQ is 80% heritable in adults?

ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pubmed/23919982

ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pubmed/23358156

No, you're just soooooooo soooorry that your pets aren't as smart as the average white and you're convinced that you are to blame for that.

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when did i say money would fix the problem?
my personal interpretation is that it will probably work itself out over time as blacks and whites merge in american culture, and that pretty much only ending the war on drugs will speed that up

i could provide that if there existed a community of blacks that hadn't been persecuted and enslaved, and had lived in europe or north america for a few centuries. unfortunately such a group does not exist due to various factors. the world is not a perfect spherical vaccum that aides itself to your PROOFS. the factors that caused the iq gap are the same factors that prevented a community of blacks separate from socioeconomic problems. as those factors subside, the gap will decrease.

not really reliable number there given that it didn't come from genetically sequencing the participants
now, why would iq increase with age? perhaps it has something to do with the fact that community ties increase with age, that the effects of social strife increase with age. if there were issues of racial inferiority, the gap would stay the same with age. people live in similar communities to their parents and relatives. gimme a fully randomized iq mega mashup, and ill be more willing to believe you. unfortunately, such a population doesn't really exist, so it cant be measured, also you're completely ignoring that text wall: you can't draw the conclusion that blacks are inferior from the evidence you have

i am not white guilty, i just feel like if people wouldn't draw false conclusions, blacks wouldnt commit so much crime and there would be more world peace u dumdum

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The following three show continual significant (more than 0.1) declines in the B/W IQ gap: the Wisc (1970s-2000s), the Standford-Binet (1960s-2000s), and the AFQT (1960s-90s) (8).

thealternativehypothesis.org/index.php/2016/12/22/changes-in-the-american-black-white-iq-gap-1916-2016/

this substantiates my personal theory that the iq gap subsides as persecution subsides

grasping at straws to avoid cognitive dissonance

"Similarly, the well-documented fifteen-point average difference in IQ between blacks and whites in America, with substantial heritability of IQ in family lines within each group, permits no automatic conclusion that truly equal opportunity might not raise the black average enough to equal or surpass the white mean"

MUH SLAVERY! I'M SO GUILTY!

Y'know, you could just admit that just because their grandparents had to drink from different water fountains than mine, a nigger whose parents made >$200,000 a year has just as many opportunities as any white, and far more opportunities than a white whose parents made $200,000 income should perform just as well as any white, and far better than a white whose parents are below the poverty line.

I wonder what the actual data shows…

Now you're just making shit up.

Do you need glasses, shit for brains? It doesn't say that. It says that the heritability increases with age, to 80% at 18-20, and then maintains that rate until Alzheimer's sets in.

U wot? How would changing heritability rates by age indicate anything about the relative inferiority of niggers?

So, the two studies (one of which is a meta-analysis of over a hundred studies) I just posted?

Name one way in which niggers are persecuted. They receive preferential admission in universities, receive more funding per pupil in school, receive billions of dollars in welfare paid for largely by whites, and have an entire army of faggots like you to apologize for everything they do.

Niggers are a privileged class.

thealternativehypothesis.org/index.php/2016/12/22/changes-in-the-american-black-white-iq-gap-1916-2016/
this handy link cites a mountain of evidence with accompanying data explanation,
is there evidence that the gap has increased over time?

You cucks really will grasp at ANY straws just to appease your pets.

equal opportunity requires money?
it doesn't tho.

"muh slavery"
so what you're telling me is that slavery needs to be ignored because of flawed modern efforts to reduce the performance gap?

persecution and slavery will fuck up a race. for a really long time.

not making shit up, but i doubt they really looked into genetics, just association with parents and children

"heritability increases with age"
that means that the child's iq will more closely resemble the parent's iq as the child gets older. that means that social factors are the major determining factor of how closely the child's iq resembles the parent's, that means that the iq gap is less pronounced when children have not been spoiled by the ways of the world

fully randomized iq mega mashup literally means a population of truly independent of social factors: black children and white children raised by black and white parents totally randomly

it has deceased dumbass
that's correlated with the lessing of persecution
that pretty much implies causation because there aren't really any other factors on that timescale, and evolution don't work that fast

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#just/pol/tardthings

So you're seriously going to claim that despite being better funded in school and handled with kid gloves in college admissions, niggers are still "oppressed?"

I can't help but feel that if whites were given preferential treatment like that, you'd be saying something about "white privilege."

Yep. Sorry, but bad shit that happened to your ancestors didn't happen to you. If you're going to bitch about how your grandparents having it bad means that you have it bad, and you can't point to an actual way that YOU YOURSELF have it bad, then you're just blaming your failure on society.

Well then I'd better call the Mongols and ask for reparations. What with them sucking my ancestors' country dry of wealth for four hundred years and genociding my ancestors' kin.

I've got a Welsh friend; I guess he'd better ask for reparations from the English. After all, the English engaged in a campaign of destruction of Welsh culture and language and ethnic cleansing of Wales for almost eight hundred years, from the thirteenth century up until the mid-twentieth. I suppose he can blame all his problems on the English, and I'm sure Wales is an Africa-tier area due to their history of oppression.

I know a guy from the Ukraine. The Russians engaged in ethnic cleansing of his great-grandparents. They starved as many as they could to death in the Holodomor, migrated millions of Russians in to replace them, and banned as many aspects of Ukrainian language and culture as they could. I guess the Russians can be blamed for all of his failures.

And wow, I haven't even considered my slant-eyed coworker. His ancestors were pushed opium by the British, then massacred by the Japanese by the millions, and then massacred by their own government all the way up to the 1970s. Starvation due to shit government policy; oppression and the banning of illegal political movements – they got it all. I'm sure China must be on the same level as Nigeria at the moment.

And what about the Italians? Over a million of them were enslaved by the Arabs. Why, with that history of oppression, they must be dealing with the same level of strife as Uganda right now!

I hate to break the white guilt bubble, Holla Forums: everyone's been through shit. Niggers just like to trumpet the shit hands they've been given because they know it leads to free gibsmedat.

And? You went from 1.15 standard deviations to 1. And given that niggers are not only not oppressed, but given preferential treatment, I fail to see how "lack of oppression" will lead to any further improvements.

… so you're admitting that niggers are less evolved than whites? Or are you going to claim that there's an oppression gene that the evil white devil forced onto the darkies?

truly woke

not really, but im not going to ignore the facts that are right in front of me

now that's some serious fact ignoring,once again, you sound just like your stereotypes of Holla Forums. you can't pretend general trends are due to laziness. they're vast trends over vast populations. that's a bullshit philosophy

in all those examples, the oppression ended in a major shakeup. we're still in the same historical period that had slavery, we ended it with legislation, and the south just had to take it. the post war committes didn't do shit

has the iq divide decrease plateaued?
no?
well then maybe it will continue to decrease dumbass

if evolution doesn't work that fast, and a change occurs, then it's not genetics causing that change

#suchislifeonreddi/pol/

All this banter

More like due to genetics.

… after which the countries involved became decently functioning. China went from a nation of starving, illiterate rice farmers to an industrial and economic superpower in twenty years. Niggers, on the other hand, have been free for 150 years, and have had no Jim Crow laws for fifty, and have been coddled by preferential college admissions and greater school funding. Yet they're still niggers.

And if every cause other than genetics was removed fifty years ago and the gap persists…

ask yourself:
is the data more reminiscent of societal issure lingering and tapering away
OR
is the gap more likely due to a factor that cannot change withing a generation
keep in mind that:
the gap has shrunk in the last generation

there was no major shakeup that ended slavery. the most important cultural issues persisted because ending slavery wasn't exactly a democratic process. it was forced on the south by the more militarily powerful north. the lingering vitriol and hate has kept change from happening

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Now you're just grasping at straws.

>after decades of affirmative action, passing black students just to shuffle them along, and grade inflation, niggers have actually managed to graduate almost as often as whites
I'm sorry… is this supposed to support your argument?

Hello, how is this thread going?

ok wow u are a smartboi

More like pointing out that handing out diplomas to niggers just to get them out of the education system doesn't mean jack shit.

You mean the data showing niggers underperforming whites by a full standard deviation?

Okay, I'll bite. Point out ONE WAY that niggers were oppressed in the last quarter century.

one iq point is not that big you dumass, the difference is so small, that it amounts to one standard deviation

also, it's impossible to win with you: if more blacks graduate, it's because of affirmative action, if fewer blacks graduate, it's because they're lazy. is it at all possible that people with black skin can have some initiative?

it's not the last quarter century that matters here, its the damage caused by the last three, which, as the data indicates, is subsiding on its own because blacks aren't genetically inferior and like all humans are capable of gradual change within their populations

not saying the difference is only one iq point mind you

Then why is it ever non white I meet in the real world is always pretending to be white?

It's one standard deviation, dumbass.

Which affects niggers born today…

Somehow…

WHERE MY FOOD STAMPS AT NIGGA

the data indicates it does, tho so get fucked

pretending to be white

could it be because being white is desirable in our society? not so much the state of being white, but having the benefit of living in a mostly white suburb with non-criminal white relatives.
also because "pretending to be white" is simply the way people act professionally. it's american professional culture, which people are adapting to

Then why'd you say it?

How?

Is it like how the kikes say they have "genetic memories" of da shoah? Give me one concrete way that having his great-grandfather be a slave and his grandfather called a nigger makes Tyrese dumb by proxy.

Look, Tyrone isn't going to let you fuck your wife no matter how much you argue that he isn't functionally retarded, so there's no need to get so defensive.

Not my problem.

Whose fault is it that Shaniqua has a crack problem and Tyrone can't figure out how the English language works?

That's the thing. You act like peoples' successes and failures in life are just acts of random chance, or down to some always-present-but-conveniently-not-concrete-or-describable "white privilege."

The concept that people are the results of their own choices completely escapes you.

one iq point, as a unit, is not sizable

the disparity has decreased over time. it's not the direct lineage, it's the cultural damage: segregating blacks to live in ghettos, hiring biases against blacks until the 80s, the entertainment industry romanticizing ghetto cultue. those things affect the average outcomes within a population.

i would rather fuck tyrone in his tight little asshole ;)))

it's the fault of the people who put blacks in ghettos in the first place.
acts of will apply to individuals, not entire populations. the entire african american population of the united states cannot just will itself out of the ghettos. populations are governed by random forces that follow average distributions. the average cannot be changed by the individual, only by the population at large

also, what about whites in the ghettos?
how do you explain their outcomes?
genetic inferiority to asians?

Well then, given that it's not one IQ point, but rather a full standard deviation, I guess that's a pointless statement.

Well, if it's the ghettos that's the problem, then surely niggers that make >$200,000 a year are doing just as good as whites in their income level. And surely whites that are below the poverty line are doing just as poorly as niggers!
I wonder what the actual results show…

Hey, maybe if they weren't simultaneous walking lawsuits and functionally retarded morons people would want to hire them.

Does the concept of personal responsibility for your actions completely elude you?

Yeah, I'm sure it's the entertainment industry's fault that Tyrone joined a gang. He totally didn't do it of his own volition. He's a completely non-sentient being not able to make his own decisions, so every decision he makes must be someone else's fault, unless said decision has a positive effect, in which case he is a brilliant black man fighting oppression!

So… black people?

Who is the Person in the Left Pic? I don't keep up with Holla Forumsitics.

oh my god, are you going to keep being this fucking thick-skulled? at the rate the disparity is decreasing (.27 standard deviations / 30 years), within around 100 years if everything stays the same, then there will be no disparity

sure. because they totally aren't outliers within their familial and cultural groups.

so you're honestly going to tell me that a non-person, a group of over 40 million individuals, can have personal responsibility in the sense that a corporation has personal responsibility?

wrong. black people didn't put black people in ghettos. ghettos exist when a group is prevented from living with the rest of a population. so one is left to wonder who could have possibly (perhaps motivated by racism and hatred) made efforts to prevent blacks from moving in to their neighborhoods back when they were becoming wealthy enough to own their own homes

You still haven't provided a concrete example of how the mythical white privilege makes Tyrone retarded. Try again.

Are you breaking down, Holla Forums? They still don't do as well as whites. That's the point. Even when you take niggers who make a quarter of a million dollars a year, who clearly aren't a part of "ghetto culture," they still underperform whites almost as much as their ghetto cousins do. In fact, niggers whose parents make a quarter of a million a year only barely do as well as whites whose parents are below the poverty line.

They are all individuals, yes. And as individuals, they all have free will to choose whether or not to value education and get a job.

So I suppose the evil nazi white devil cattle cars took them there?

Or because populations naturally segregate into groups even without a mythical evil white privilege separating them.

Seriously, look at how animals behave. Chimps trample outsiders to death. Seagulls segregate into groups. And even people who don't live with the infernal white devil separate into groups based on appearance and fight – for example, the Hutus and Tutsi in Rwanda genocided each other over nose shape.

Maybe if niggers weren't semi-retarded and had basic hygiene and home cleaning skills…

these are not the same you utter fucking monkey

trodden down people are more apathetic.
trodden down whites in the ghettos and abandoned coal towns do just as much crack, meth, and heroin s blacks, and value education just as little

take a little look at link upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/a/a7/Census-2000-Data-Top-US-Ancestries-by-County.svg related. almost as if blacks have highest densities in areas that had the most slaves. hmmmm… certainly this is the work of totally natural population segregation. certainly this is not related to slavery or oppression.

You're as bad as the flat earthers

using a synonym for logical reasoning doesn't discredit it fuckwad

You're still projecting three data points into a continuous line over a hundred years. Sounds like wishful thinking to me.

So you agree that niggers are naturally mentally disabled? Because that's about the only way I can interpret that.

Also,
Preferential college admission, free gibsmedat, and greater school spending is "trodden down?"

WHEN HAVE NIGGERS BEEN FORCED TO LIVE IN SHACKS AT ALL IN THE PAST 150 YEARS?

So niggers entering adulthood today were forced to work in cotton fields?

Well, when you act like animals…

Take it from someone who lived near niggers for years: they stink up entire sections of cities.

Nigger, I know people who live in the deep south that live in amazing areas. Some of them even grew up poor as dirt. If niggers can't make their neighborhoods into areas that don't look like the Planet of the Apes, that's their fault.

not even reasoning, it's fucking historical fact for that matter.

so projecting a trend that has already been going on for more than a quarter century to go on for the next century is wishful thinking?
im beginning to think you just want a reason to hate black people, and couldn't possibly bear them not having a different iq than you.

yes. because they're apathetic. they don't care. does that not make sense?

o wow gees u sure have a valid point there.
because blacks in africa were "acting like animals" they sure did deserve to be enslaved and treated like animals

you live in the ghetto? no wonder your comprehension and reasoning are so shitty.

oh my god you are retarded. those "amazing areas" are only amazing because of money earned by the sweat of slaves. colonial georgia != people with literally nothing left to fend for themselves after slavery ended, ending up forming ghettos because they have literally no other options

It's three data points. You're projecting them for a century, despite having no concrete mechanism to explain why that would happen.

This isn't even getting into the fact that these results could just be from three different studies with no controls on the data. But I'll play along for now.

They give me every reason I need themselves.

Yeah, sure. Little Tyrone only knocked off that liquor store because he's "apathetic." Little Tyrese only burned down a city block because he's "apathetic." Little Jayquan only raped that girl because he's "apathetic." Little Mumba only shot that man because he's "apathetic."

Have you ever actually experienced niggertude first-hand? You don't know jack shit about what you're talking about. You've never seen the damage niggers do, so you just assume they're all perfectly good people who are oppressed and "apathetic."

I'm going to ask one more time: give me a concrete example of HOW someone's ancestors being "oppressed" makes them score more poorly on an IQ test.

Just one example.

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And by the sweat of whites. Then again, you've never earned anything by your own sweat, so I guess it's easy to assume that poor Tyrone did all the work.

This tbh

how about lack of racism for 300

the concrete example is the current condition

right, because the georgian plantation owner was totally out tending his own crops

and actually, for that matter, how about you give me a concrete mechanism for why blacks would have evolved a lower iq

Are you really so stupid you don't understand how natural selection works?

natural selection favors more intelligent populations.
give me a mechanism.
why would nature favor less intelligent populations in blacks but not in any other race?
give me a mechanism.

"The magic racism makes poor Tyrone do poorly on IQ tests. This is a concrete example."

Oh you retarded nigger, you fucked up bad.

My parents came to America from Russia after the Soviet Union went tits up. I was one year old at the time.

My father worked as a bus driver. My mother cleaned houses. We lived in the shit part of a shit city. Crime was rampant, but people were punished for defending themselves because dipshits like you think you're going to clean up cities by banning guns.

My school had niggers forced into it, because shit-for-brains like you thought that they could totally be turned into functional humans if they went to "white" schools (the schools the politicians went to never got any, conveniently). Violence was a constant. Shit would get stolen, cars would be broken into, and people got jumped, and it was always niggers doing it. They'd smash shit just for the fun of it, because that's what pavement apes do. When I was in high school, two girls got raped (actually raped; not feminist "a man looked at me without my consent" rape) and one of my friends was shot, and it was almost always niggers doing it.

I managed to get into a decent school, for a degree that wasn't basket weaving bullshit. I had to work and take loans to pay for it, because Pell grants don't pay for shit. All the while niggers and other "underprivileged" groups got far more financial aid, because white people are privileged, don'tcha know? Niggers that have their entire lives funded by EBT and get preferential admission are far less privileged than a poor immigrant's son who has to work while getting an engineering degree because his parents can't afford college, don'tcha know?

Now I'm doing pretty fucking well. But even now, one-third of my income goes to pay for your stupid fucking pets. Listless tards who destroy their own cities while you fuckers apologize for their every action, getting a fucking third of the income of the "privileged" son of a Russian immigrant who drove buses while his wife cleaned houses.

Jesus. You're that stupid rich kid who thinks all whites are other rich kids, because you're a rich kid, aren't you?

Newsflash: most white people work. Sharecropping was a thing for whites long before the poor darkies were "oppressed" by it. Whites in the north worked fourteen hour days; just as long as niggers worked in the fields.

R-selection. Free resources = a stupid population. The tards outpace the average people, because natural selection doesn't cull the herd as heavily.

the lack of racism certainly seems to make him do better.
you are wrong on this point and are grasping for straws

boo hoo poor you. poor poor user whos parents moved to new york or boston by choice and got to earn money for their work.

are we talking about the same africa?

is that why you hate blacks so much?

No,Natural selection favors whatever traits are successful given the particular environment if being small such as the pygmies are useful traits than those will be the traits passed on.

A few months ago 8ch/pol/ raided Holla Forums's official Discord channel. Those were the findings.

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nice one what a smart analysis

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Low I.Q people tend to have more children …tell me again how intelligence is always a successful evolutionary trait?

do you have any proof of that claim?
do you have any proof of that claim being true in africa 50,000 years ago?

do you have any proof that those children survived long enough to reproduce?
and why would only africans be subject to that trend?
maybe think for once if you're not too busy felating other men.

The more you argue with lefties the more retarded their arguments become

ancientnews.net/2017/07/22/gene-study-suggests-homo-sapiens-migrated-into-africa-not-out-of-the-continent-interbreeding-with-local-hominins-150000-years-ago/

HOW? Give me one concrete reason why me calling Tyrone a nigger makes him do poorly on IQ tests. Give me ONE concrete way that muh past oppression somehow lives on in modern niggers and makes them stupid.

Oh, how I wish I could send you to Russia in 1992, you little fucker.

Name ONE time where niggers haven't earned money for their work in the past century and a half.

Oh, I wish.

You live in a gated community, don't you?

Yeah, because dipshits like you airdrop money through aid programs. After the population explodes from free gibsmedat, people starve because oh shit Nigeria isn't meant to have 200 million people.

Do you want to help your pets? Stop giving them money.

Because whites don't get free shit?

Nailed it.

How about you lurk more, newfag?

And you know who's fault that is? The niggers fault. Because they can't mantain a plot of fertile land, let alone an industrial farm, an aqueduct, or any entire country. How surprising that when niggers stole white farms, the farms went to shit, and then they asked ebil whitey to comeback and help them farm. And to put the cherry on the cake, western nations give them food through Aid programs, which makes the negro even more lazy than before. Now little Muga will think "whitey will be giving me and my 12 siblings free food for our entire childhood, we don't have to do anything because they give us all! Time to fuck my 5 sisters and start my family backed by whitey magical money muhfugga! (read; taxdollars)

That's 4/pol/

its like they got TFS's video crew and cast to fight capitalism

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That doesn't automatically mean you have a lot of babies if you are stupid.

are we talking about evolution here?
because social programs have really only been around since the birth of the roman republic. blacks being the recipient of social programs has only been a thing for the last ~70 years.

you're beginning to sound like a trole here.
evolution does not work on a timescale that short.

so if what you're saying is that
i cant even begin to comprehend the stupidity that would require such an argument.

niggers were fine up until the welfare state

well for one, given that there were laws in slave states preventing slave literacy. blacks actually did take initiative, despite the stereotypes you bring up, to learn
memory.loc.gov/ammem/aaohtml/exhibit/aopart5b.html

so clearly, something must have happened to get in the way of that progress, something unnatural must have stopped the progress that had no other reason for stopping.

the two things specifically affecting those freed slaves are the programs to keep them down, and to "help" them. both of these things are consistent with the "resident intruder paradigm"
jove.com/video/4367/the-resident-intruder-paradigm-standardized-test-for-aggression
in this paradigm which is present in nearly all animal species, there is a "resident intruder" and the "attackers," attacks on the resident intruder include
which we see in the kkk, and other anti-black organizations, especially prevalent after slavery, but still a factor today

now, if a bunch of poor, black ex-slaves are the "resident intruder," and society at large is the attacker, perhaps aggression both outwards towards society, and aggression turned inwards, i.e. black ex-slaves against their children, and ex-slaves turning aggression against themselves, might be the result of this societal, racist aggression

given that the effects of this inward aggression spread within a community both laterally and generationally, it makes sense that the black community, even once free from overt social persecution, at the very least, is still dealing with the repercussions of inward aggression. the resident intruder paradigm is likely responsible for lashing out on the part of blacks for generations, and the response to that lashing out only further perpetuates this paradigm

now, it would be hard to cataloge all the infinite actions and reactions, but one thing that becomes more likely in the resulting chaos is child abuse, and other forms of childhood victimization, which certainly spreads generationally. one of the results of this
sciencedirect.com/science/article/pii/0145213494900124
given that problems continue to spread both laterally and generaltionally, it would be absurd to think that just because the original conditions of slavery are no longer explicitly met, that there aren't infinite repercussions, of the black community being oppressed, lashing out, society at large reacting, then the black community lashing out.

this cycle cannot be unrelated to the iq gap. there is literally no way that the resident-intruder paradigm isn't in play, and there's no other reason for outcome disparity

ok, this argument about a single anecdote is going nowhere, 1992 russia was bad, but only the most dedicated soviet expats took the initiative to move to the US. the implication there is that anecdotes of dedicated russian expats are disproportionate relative to the population at large. it's great that your parents took initiative.

however, what i've been trying to get at this whole time is that:
if you're so dedicated on hating all blacks yet so focused on personal responsibility it makes no sense that you can hate even the blacks who have taken initiative to improve their lives. that seems like cognitive dissonance.

someone could hate all ex soviets because of crocodil using ukranians and the russian mob. but if that person wanted to talk about personal responsibility and the triumph of the will, they would have to hate even the ex soviets who took the initiative to move to the US.

are we talking about evolution or aren't we?
if blacks genetically have lower iq, then you can't even talk about the last 2000 years of history. if you think blacks evolved lower iq, then some factor, present in the last 50,000 years, must be responsible.
if you can't provide a factor that affected only blacks in africa for the last 50,000 years that would cause an iq difference, then you're just making shit up

that was a Holla Forums argument, dumbass
low iq is inferior. Holla Forums was trying to show that low iq was evolutionally better

Lol, Holla Forums is more diverse.

so is this a discussion about evolution, or modern african farming techniques?

blacks and whites share a common ancestor. the population split in two, with whites in europe, and blacks in africa. given that those two populations were genetically identical, what factors could have possibly selectively affected only the group that stayed in africa to favor low intelligence?

your inability to stay focused on the point at hand is maddening. it seems your hate boner can only react to certain stimuli, unable to understand the context within which they are mentioned

there wasn't clean water in africa or enough food in africa 50,000 years ago. that's what we're talking about. if your idea is that "muh surplus food" led to blacks evolving a lower iq and then not being able to solve famine, you should be institutionalized. there was no surplus food for them to evolve a lesser intelligence due to

so are they racially inferior then?
or is it the wellfare state's fault?

they have been down breeding for the pasted 200 years, so they are racially inferior now it is happening to whites too but at a slower rate. Even if the welfare state goes away now, it will take some time for the niggers to get their shit together, and their IQ to get back up

So you look to scientists like they are Gods? Have you ever wondered if some scientists are paid off? Is it so hard to imagine? There are hundreds of instances like this taking part in the past. Keep living in a bubble, you fucking retard.

So niggers are stupid now because their great-great-grandparents couldn't read?

That doesn't even touch on the fact that IQ tests don't test stored knowledge. They test cognitive ability; the ability to notice patterns and apply spatial reasoning to problems. You could read at a fourth grade level and be just as competitive at an IQ test as an English professor.

So… you found a social justice buzzword made up by some sociologist somewhere?

Where is there any evidence that this paradigm actually exists and isn't just some sociologist's attempt to grasp at straws to explain nigger violence in a manner that doesn't involve blaming the evil white devil?

And how the fuck does this have anything to do with cognitive ability?

Oh, sure. Little Tyrone only burns cats alive because 100 years ago the KKK burned a cross in his great-grandfather's lawn.

You will literally pull anything out of your ass to defend the actions of your pets.

And? IQ is still 80% heritable. You're talking about the 20% affected by the environment; not enough to explain a full standard deviation difference.

This also doesn't explain why niggers that make >$200,000 a year still heavily underperform whites. Or are you going to argue that niggers whose parents make a quarter of a million a year are poor, malnourished ghetto-dwellers?

Yeah, those niggers totally burned down Baltimore because they were "lashing out at oppression." It wasn't because they were opportunistic criminals taking advantage of a riot to steal shit. They were reacting against their "oppression." Al Sharpton said so, and I know that opportunistic nigger would never lie about anything!

You're one gullible shit, Holla Forums.

Wot?

"I came up with a social justice buzzword; this means that there is no way the topic could not be related!"

Is this seriously how they teach kids to argue in social justice indoctrination centers?

Because a minority does not make the population. Sure, maybe 10% of niggers are good. But I see no reason to let the other 90% of niggers drag society down like an anchor just because some small minority can actually compete with whites.

We also share a common ancestor with chimps, rabbits, fish, and E. coli. "We share a common ancestor" does not mean we are equal, or even of the same race.

en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Genetic_drift

en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Evolutionary_pressure

You're talking to a different person, Holla Forums.

Wot? There was enough food in Africa to support a population, as evidenced by the fact that Africa wasn't completely uninhabited when Arabs made the first contact with sub-Saharans.

By all logic, whatever population was in Africa would reduce to the carrying capacity, at which point there would be enough food for the population.

This sub-carrying capacity population would then have thousands of years to develop. Or at least, they had the opportunity to develop. What actually happened is that they remained Iron Age tribals.

Check'd

YOU'VE DONE FUCKED UP, LEFTYKIKE. ABSOLUTELY BTFO

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What does that even mean? Is leftypol trying out a new equivocal joke that no one will understand unless you're against porky?

Daily reminder that leftypol is nothing more than a bunch of liberals.

liberals larping as communists.

Kek
DAMAGE CONTROL

They do it so bad that you couldn't even call it LARPing.

Fucking kek

Your read a book le meme never worked.

That story speaks to me, quads. When I was younger my father and I lived in a walmart parking lot after my parents divorce. He worked there long hours and eventually we were able to get in a trailer with all the white trash druggies ole leftypole likes to blame on the rich (can't really make that a race issue so that is their only excuse).we lived there until I graduated highschool and finally could work a full time job. I had done vocational technology in highschool for precision machining which helped me get a foot in the door at a local shop. The day after I graduated highschool I worked 14 hours hauling around stock steal. I did that for a year (ended up being about 70 hours a week) and helped with bills until I had enough to move out. Shortly afterwards my dad was able to get his credit score up and buy a house. That was about 5 years ago. I'm working somewhere else now, 60 hours a week. And you know what people have the gaul to tell me? I need to help out the financially destitute. I have more than enough so I should share. Its not their fault they just got put down by rich people and corperate types. I go to work 60 fucking hours a week for decent pay for a boss and business owner I watch work in excess of 70 hours a week, usually coming in on saturday AND sunday, and these fucking blood sucking ticks have the fucking gaul to tell me how being poor is. I watched my dad get home at 11 pm just to wake up and leave at 5 am the next morning for years. I have a Berniefag friend who explained it like this "I'm just trying to help people. We are socially responsible for our disadvantaged".

==BEING POOR ISN'T A DISABILITY YOU KIKES=

Damn
BEING POOR ISN'T A DISABILITY YOU KIKES

that fucking video.

notice how it looks up briefly to make sure there are still cameras pointed at it.

Honestly I'm glad it did. Makes for great entertainment. I don't even care if that's what it wanted.

There fault. They keep fucking and only produce niggers, they don't produce any food to sustain themselves. Much like commies

There is, they are just too stupid to make wells with their own hands.

Africa is full gold and oil, niggers are too stupid to bother with it. Now the Chinese are plundering Africa and rightfully so.

The out of Africa theory is a huge lie. Fucking idiot.

I don't have a reaction pic for that one holy shit haha.

Nailed it.

why do people bump old threads?

Socialists/communists are so fucking stupid, and they're massive hypocrites.

NOT REAL SOCIALISM/COMMUNISM

You see? The free market is bad! Look at what just happened! This is what TRUE capitalism is really like.

No, it's not. When college tuition prices skyrocket it's not because of capitalists being greedy. It's because the federal government will hand out thousands to help pay for college to anyone with a fucking heartbeat.

Jews are the ones causing all the problems in Venezuela. Hugo Chavez stood up to the Jews and didn't let them pillage his country and he resisted to the death Zionist control of Venezuela's assets. In retaliation the Jews waged economic warfare against Venezuela and used all of their international influence in politics, finance and media to punish the country. When Maduro took power he continued resisting the Zionist agenda. If you think this isn't true look who Venezuela's closest allies are - countries which are resisting the Zionist: Syria, Iran, Russia etc… The Jews are funding the opposition party in Venezuela. Once that opposition party gets in, Venezuela will be a Jewish-owned state. First they will sign the country on to the Jewish IMF (International Monetary Fund) loan. Then They will fleece Venezuela's assets to pay off that debt, like they did to Greece and Ukraine, and that debt will never be able to be paid off. All the oil reserves and companies will be signed off to Jewish control and the Venezuelan people will be a vassal to Israel and the United States forever. It will be a debt slave forever. Venezuela has some of the largest oil reserves in the world, and the Jews want control of it. What's happening in Venezuela is not Maduro's fault - he is desperately fighting to preserve national sovereignty, and Venezuela is one of the last countries left not under Zionist control. Maduro's crime is standing up against Jewish power - and everyone knows that whoever does that is eventually destroyed… The economy is in ruins because international Jewry is waging economic warfare against it.

And communist/socialism is 100% a jewish thing. No fucking shit.

also
Fuck off lefties

t. butthurt zionist shill

No.
Not correct.
No.
t. incorrect

btw im not a commie and i fucking hate Holla Forums

its true tho, jews hate venezuela and thats why jew america will do military intervention in venezuela in a few years

What did they mean by this?

Can you give me a source or good reads on this/the zionist threat other than the usual?

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Or maybe it just looks that way to illiterate faggots because all socialists aren't part of a hivemind, and there are actually many different kinds of socialist thought and interpretations thereof.

Is that whore rapeable?

See

Surely you can't be this stupid as to think that anime would actually think that anime would actually be a thing in communism right? Anime relies on money to survive, with large teams to actually produce it. No one is going to want to feed someone for having fun. Art would have to be done on your own freetime/not off of someone elses labor, otherwise you're exploiting the workers.

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But that's exactly my point. Socialism isn't one thing, so using a Stalinist country as an example of any and all socialism is like using Belgian Congo as an example of typical capitalism.

Then what the fuck is the point of saying every self-identified socialist country isn't real socialism??? Could it be that it is no more than self aggrandizing propaganda?
No it isn't a legitimate form of labor. If it has no use for day to day life and many people would revolt against the fact that:
a) they're taking my means of production from me for something I don't even use
b) they're contributing nothing worthwhile to society; and leaching off of others, in other words, they're just dead weight
Reasons? Ok fine:
I don't know about you, but that sounds an awfully lot like a socialist country.
No kidding?

Because Marxist-Leninists need to be reminded that their interpretation of socialism is retarded and wrong.

What would you use an animation studio for, if not creating animation? If you're not an animator, it's not "your" means of production.
Yeah, TV shows, films, vidya, theatre, literature, music, and art are just total wastes of time for degenerates. Is it just you, or do all Nazis just pretend to appreciate their culture?

Most developed countries have government-provided healthcare
Same as welfare
That's extremely subjective
Spooks
Practically every country does that nowadays though.
It sounds like a Keynesian liberal welfare state. You're not changing the way the economy is structured, you're just temporarily placating the working class and keeping them from pursuing their self interest by throwing tax money at them.

Trotsky, Luxembourg, Bordiga, Gramsci, De Leon, Debord, Adorno and the other critical theorists, Badiou, Zizek, Althusser, and practically every other Western Marxist were communists who were explicitly anti-Stalinist.

No, you're just ending up empowering them tbh. By saying it wasn't real socialism/communism they practiced, they feel like wanting to try exactly the same ideology again and just change things to "be a little different" in an attempt to make it work.
No, I'm explaining they'd be parasitic as fuck (in a communist society) and wouldn't produce the necessities for living. Basically, they'd be taking from people something they worked very hard on (farms, heavy industry, services, etc) and getting nothing useful in return. That would be incredibly unfair to them.
Not back then they didn't retard.
It absolutely is not.
Well, germans weren't starving on the streets anymore when Hitler came to power now were they?
That's wrong though. Capitalism has been internationalized. Ever wonder how people can build a factory in China but be from America? That would be the reason friend.
It was absolutely not keynesianism. It was national socialism, a separate form of socialism.
Did he really not though? Once when he came to power the economy rose up from complete bust to boom in a few short years.
Then why don't you just explain to people you are anti [insert ideology here], rather than empowering people to keep trying horrific ideologies? Rather than being lazy and saying it wasn't real communism/socialism? All you have to do is explain to them that it isn't my specific form of socialism and none of this would be an issue. Do you think, for example, that natsocs aren't against other forms of socialism as well?

Also forgot to mention:
LMAO.

So you don't like marx or lenin, does that mean that you like stalin and trotsky? I don't quite understand

Maybe, but

Sorry I should have specified. "Marxism-Leninism" is what Stalin called his theory. He built on top of Lenin, who built on top of Marx, and wanted a name that would give his ideas more legitimacy. It's just the technical term for Stalinism. But it's not the same thing as Marxism or Leninism.

It's confusing as shit sometimes.

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their mindset is that of a 12 year old, they need caring and you don't take seriously what they trying to say.
I don't understand fuss about them, just let them grow up.

lefypol's just modeling for a photoshoot.

Leftypol is gay

This will always please me.

they should just stick to their containment board

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from the gutter known as *capitalism

Meant route*

then what is your definition of socialism?

Pic related, also stop posting anime you classist porky :^).

I searched that quote up and never saw anything attributed to Hitler or even anything that this quote existed

You kind of did, saying people would never be willing to work to support the creation of art and media.
That's not how Marxists view class. Of course you're going to have different people doing different jobs.
If nobody makes anything useful, then nobody gets anything useful. "Useful" things don't just appear out of thin air.
Again, that's not what classes are. Whether you make shoes or make movies doesn't change your relation to the means of production.
If you don't like what they're doing, you don't have to give them what they need to get the job done. Like, if you do nothing but make comic books everyone thinks are really shitty, it's going to be a lot harder to get the paper, ink, and other things you need because no one thinks you're pulling your own weight.
Understandable. But the economy will still be prone to reoccurring crisis, and regardless of how pure the fuhrer's intentions may be at first, the state will inevitably become a tool of the bourgeoisie to thicken their wallets at the expense of the workers.

>en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Nazism
Are you really this dumb?

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Communist are all retarded faggots….thread/

I never said that. Give me a quote of me actually implying that. I said that no one would want to under communism retard.
So people being able to live in a higher standard of living that don't work as hard as everybody else isn't classism?
Then communism would collapse on its own and a tribal like/gang like system would soon take over.
But it does. Some guy is busting his ass actually working his ass off in some field/mine while a bunch of people would be sitting lazy comfortable lives working off of their backs.
Sorry, but that absolutely does not work either. Karl Marx denounces any form of bartering with people. If you withhold your means of production from people, you are effectively anti marx. He thinks everything is owned collectively, therefore you can't withhold it over "capitalistic" tendencies.
You don't have evidence for this, this is just a blank assertion.
No, we don't believe in a utopia. Utopias are unrealistic nonsense created by intellectual morons.
That's where you're wrong. If people keep revolting when the government gets bad, you won't have to deal with exploitation for long. I (maybe not all natsocs), believe that we should be in constant revolution to prevent this from happening/getting things back on track. We do not believe becoming anarkiddies is going to solve anything, in fact I believe it could just create the conditions for someone truly vial to take over and come to power and create another gang/state. My theory seems to fit since that's how "communism" usually goes.
HAHAHAHA.
No, most of those only give the illusion of control by the workers. In reality the politicians/leaders control your "means of production". Also, Germany did have unions you retard.
That's about the dumbest quote I've ever heard. Of course there's a difference between individuals. The fact that I'm not a communist prove that we are not in some orwellian hivemind consensus.

when will he ever recover?

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Marxism in any form relies upon FORCED LABOR you know fucking SLAVERY!
Anyone who advocates such a system is either monstrously stupid or fucking evil.

Okay, let's start over. Explain the difference between working for money and subsequently using that money to pay for a game you want, and working to support those developing a game you want.
That's bullshit. The consensus on Holla Forums is that communism either comes from or results in full-automation, at which point most human labor would naturally be directed towards the arts and sciences, which includes high production media.
I was rephrasing 'your' argument. Of course people are still going to want media. Why is it so difficult to understand that people like shows and are willing to go out of their way to ensure they are still being produced?
And why is that?
Sure, there are always going to be hermits. But access to anything you can't personally make yourself requires that you live as a part of a larger society.
If you don't work, other people stop giving you stuff. This is more or less how communes and coops already work.
From a Keynesian standpoint, the economy would have stagnated again shortly after the war was over. Regardless of producing consumer products, it was still a war economy.
The fuck? What makes you think I'm an anarchist?
Nigger, you just implied love of one's country transcends class conflict in your last post.
At least we agree on one thing
en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Democratic_socialism
That whole paragraph you posted was describing 'social democracy'. Literally the very next paragraph says

Where did I say I was against having bosses?
My point is having trade unions isn't some radical deviation from capitalism.
Yes? There's no intrinsic difference between "the collective" and a group of individuals
Give an example.
I won't contest that if we're considering all interpretations of socialism. But the quote still applies under the orthodox Marxist definition of socialism.
Again, I'm not an anarchist and the CNT-FAI was a state.

Jesus christ, Holla Forums really can't meme can they?

That's the only one I could find that was relevant to the post tbh. And most of the decent ones are a bit obscure.

Then, why are you anti-currency if you believe there is no difference between the two?
Yeah but who's going to be the ones who fix the machines when they break down?
Also, how could you possibly produce anything/own anything with no Private property? Can you really distinguish the difference between private property and personal property?
You stupid nigger, you can remove soil from land and you get "personal property". Meaning it's no more than subjective drivel wanting to deprive people of their labor. Furthermore, what's from stopping people from stealing your labor away from you when there is no state entity to help prevent it/track them down?
It's pretty difficult to understand your retarded ideology, I can assure you that much.
So, basically most people starve if they don't follow your retarded ideology?
You basically just described bartering. That's what bartering is. You trade what you produced for something you didn't produce. I don't care how "indirect" you think it is it's still bartering, and you and Karl Marx are a huge fucking hypocrite.
Do you have a single fact to back up that what Hitler had was Keynesianism? Or that it would have stagnated after the war, or are you really this fucking retarded?
No it was absolutely not. Most of what they produced was consumer products, not war time trash. He did not profit from that war. He had no money invested in weapon stocks or anything similar. That war there was nothing to make. The UK/France started that war not Hitler. Of course, you staunchly criticize the government/capitalism, yet when shown a different view point in history, you're like a deer in the headlights. You do not even attempt to try to learn something new, you just keep regurgitating what your teacher taught you. I can only imagine that you went to some uni and got some worthless degree/dropped out as well.

"In this hour I feel it to be my duty before my own conscience to appeal once more to reason and common sense, in Great Britain as much as elsewhere. I consider myself in a position to make this appeal since I am not the vanquished begging favours, but the victor speaking in the name of reason. I can see no reason why this war must go on. Possibly Mr Churchill will again brush aside this statement of mine by saying that it is merely of fear and doubt in our final victory. In that case, I shall have relieved my conscience in regards to the things to come.”
"I extended my hand often-in vain. They wanted this fight; now they shall have it! The German Volk will see this fight through to the end! The danger that it might erupt again within one or two or three years, after a period of heightened tension, must be removed. The German Volk wants to have peace finally. It wants a peace that allows it to work and which does not allow international scoundrels to agitate among other peoples against us. These are the folks who make their fortunes through war. I have no reason to wage war for material considerations. For us, it is but a sad enterprise: it robs us, the German Volk and the whole community, of so much time and manpower. I do not possess any stocks in the armament industry; I do not earn anything in this war." - Adolf Hitler
Now, it's either you provide proof of the contrary or you fuck off.
You want decentralized government/you implied you didn't want a government.
Do you live in a cartoon? Because it sounds a lot like you have no proof of that assertion that one: classes are always going to be in conflict and two: you can't love ones country AND not be envious of people who are richer than you.

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Capital can be accumulated passively by reaping the profits from owning private property.
That's why I said "most" human labor wouldn't involve basic commodity production. Of course you need to oversee the machines and make repairs to those that can't repair themselves for whatever reason.
Woah, that's deep dude. Like money isn't even real, a $100 bill isn't worth anything if you're all alone in the desert somewhere. Money just has value just because people think it does, man. It's almost like economics is a social science or something.
For Marxists, the state is specifically an instrument of class rule. If there are no classes, then there is no organization for one class to impose its will on another, and thus no state. I don't think we should abolish government, just its ability to be used to exploit people.
And what do you mean by "stealing your labor?" Surplus value can't be expropriated without capital or commodity exchange.
You too.
What the fuck are you saying? You were the one who gave the example of people growing their own food and keeping to themselves. If you wanna move with your family onto a homestead in the wilderness, more power to you. But no one is going to come by and give you shit if you're not contributing anything in return.
Call it what you will, but bartering implies items exchanged have to be of equivalent value. But that's impossible to measure without some formalized system of attributing exchange-value, since no two different items are qualitatively the same.
That's not what I said. It doesn't matter what Hitler's personal economic views were, the fact that tight control on business and massive government spending lifted the country out of depression lines up perfectly with Keynes' economic theory.
After the war was over, government spending would have plummeted because Germany wouldn't have needed to keep producing military equipment or rations, building tanks, gunboats, and fighter planes, or paying for the salaries and training of more military personnel, etc. But you have to also consider that much of Germany's private industry relied on this influx of government spending, so private sector growth would also be hurt by the spending drop. With both public and private sector spending taking, GDP goes down with them.

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Maybe not Hitler himself, no. But think about the fortunes that were made for steel, arms, and automotive manufacturing companies and their shareholders.
lmao, where is this coming from? I never said which country I blame for starting the war, or anything about WWII for that matter except Germany's economy at the time. Your empty rhetoric has nothing to do with anything I've said.
I'm entirely sure I could find quotes from Churchill saying Hitler started it. Of course they're going to blame the other guy, they're politicians.
Decentralized (to an extent) government, yes. But not no government at all.
Again, when I say class I'm not talking about income brackets. You're fixated on this liberal definition of class. To a communist, class is about relationship to the means of production, not how much money you have or make.
What's best for the capitalist? More profits. Whether that means longer working hours, lower pay, fewer safety restrictions, cheaper and lower-quality work environments, or all of the above, it directly conflicts with the interests of every wage-worker.
What's best for the worker? The most pay for the fewest amount of hours in the safest, most comfortable working conditions possible. Providing even a degree of these things eats into the capitalist's profit margins, and thus his quality of life and self-interest.

I agree
no
Class isn't just about how much money you have. So again, you're fucking retarded
Every state socialist regime justified itself by claiming that the government represented the entirety of the working class, so I'm not wrong.
Herein lies the biggest problem I have with you Holla Forumstards. You people never even once consider reading something you don't already agree with, so you have absolutely no fucking clue about the ideas you argue against.
"Boss" doesn't automatically mean "owner." Having one worker who specializes in organizing other workers doesn't magically create a separate class. You seem to think that communism means social status and leadership just vanish into the aether.
Again, I'm not an anarchist.
A libertarian could argue capitalism is about free association, so the ability for employees to form an organization with which to bargain with their employers is a natural right.
Any form of capitalism that isn't laissez-faire.
But if Dave can get fucked over like that, so can everyone that makes up the "collective." If exploitation of the individual is accepted by the collective, the collective itself is a victim of exploitation.
Marxists
You're missing my point. They were self-proclaimed anarchists that built a state to try to win the war they were in. I'm saying anarchists wouldn't accept that as "real anarchism."

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You're forgetting though, that just because you have private property doesn't mean that you are going to be making a ton of money.
I tell you what else is very very deep.
Also, crops are connected in the land, so technically they didn't steal anything. And since anyone can trot near your crops/labor (since there is no such thing as private property), this in a "statelessness" or "limited state" would be an absolute disaster.
But then you say:
There will be exploitation. And I'm going to assume you're talking about (((democracies))). One political class divided by another.
YOU just said that most people won't have access to most things if they don't contribute to the larger of society. And no retard, not everyone can live off of sustenance farming.
No they don't. They don't have to be. As long as it is agreed upon by both parties then it's fine. And "equivalent value" is very subjective. Look, you're giving the movie directors food (everyday or however long) so you can have a chance at getting a copy of said movie/going to the movie theaters. That is a barter, sorry.
That's exactly what you said.

But they really weren't making money though. Just because there is industry directed at helping the war effort, doesn't mean it was making a profit. In fact, I'd argue, especially over a world war, that individual countries don't make profit off of it. However, the Rothschild's did.
EXCEPT, it's a well known fact that they actually did declare war on Germany first.
So classes don't exist at all then, only in your own fixated definitions of them?

GREAT rebuttal.
Yes, I know that. But the fact remains, that since there's very very rich people, common people can't be in control of the means of production.
With a democracy? WRONG. You're only representing half the country so you are absolutely wrong.
Same to you. Also, pol is for authoritarian states, not your panzy ass divisive democracies.
My point is, that everyone doesn't own the means of production collectively if you have people directing it.
But a libertarian alone doesn't get to say what is capitalism and wasn't isn't by his own fixated definition of one.
Pick one and only one.
No it actually isn't. A portion of individuals are victim to it not the entire collective. The collective isn't one person.
*Idiots. ftfy
Does that mean it isn't communism though? They had no money, no private property, and relatively no classes. That and they were self proclaimed communists.