Should we create a leftypol-based online activism group?
I think one of the problems of the Left is that it tends to remain segregated, instead of spreading information around. If we organized in groups, we could do a few things like editing websites with user-based content, spreading information & memes into social media, making content for distribution, etc.
yes
YES LET'S DO THIS
i think it should be run Marxism-Leninism but have a large part consisting of anarchist
are you a bot?
i feel like i am
Anyway, since this thread won't be getting much replies at this hour anyway, let me illustrate more or less what I think we should do.
Let's create a group in some place where we can remain anonymous. There, we talk about things we think should be done but each of us, individually, lacks either the knowledge or the skills to do so, and we see who, among us, can help them.
For example: Some Holla Forumser wants to put up a youtube account and challenge some video made by Molyneux or whatever, but he lacks editing skills and he's finding it difficult to debunk all the points made in a convincing manner. Those who are good at debating can help him write good rebuttals while someone else who has editing skills can help put it all together.
Or: someone makes a list of Wikipedia articles that, he feels, has either an anti-Leftist bias or is lacking an important leftist angle (e.g. some article about a CIA-backed coup is not/barely mentioning CIA's involvement on it, some right-wing thinker has no "Criticisms" section, etc.) we can hook them up with good, credible academic sources and help them edit the article.
We can help someone who's trying to write an article for Bunker magazine, who has a good idea for a meme but can't draw, who wants to do a Podcast but doesn't know how, etc. We can also coordinate our social media presence, spread propaganda collectively, attack our targets together, translate stuff for each other, etc.
a communal youtube page might be nice?
No. Have you even seen this board? We can't even organize a book club for more than a week, much less this.
In what sense? If we make it open to everybody, some Holla Forums cunt will fuck it up. It's best to leave every person to their own tools and help them with content.
Maybe it would be easier to organize things like that if we had a group somewhere. It's all about cohesion.
Seriously this. I shudder to think what kind of tomfoolery would result from Holla Forums trying to actually do some actual activism. Maybe if more people understood the ideas they were trying to convey to people, it'd be a better idea, but no. Just, no.
Why did you write "anyway" twice you retard?
Sorry everyone, I'm sleepy.
open to the content of others it would be run by leftist
so we shouldn't try because its hard and people dont know stuff? is that anarchism?
Nah, it's nihilism.
That's a fair prognosis but couldn't we solve it somehow? With like, quality control at least?
And, IMO, whatever problem we end up facing, we would face with any group. We could get a bunch of academics together and it would be just as bad. It will lack cohesion, people will get unmotivated after a few days, there will be infighting, nobody will be really sure what they're supposed to be doing…
And, yet, it's the sort of thing that needs to be done eventually, and we need to learn how to do it.
So maybe we could do it just for the experience. A "fail, fail again, fail better" type of thing. We might end up learning a few important lessons on what can make these efforts work, and what makes them not work.
hello jason
No, I'm saying that Holla Forums is a fucking joke, and that treating it like an actual political org with any kind of revolutionary potential is the height of self-deluded self-importance.
We need to get our own shit together over simple fucking things like not responding to bait, or reading stuff, before we should even be fucking thinking about trying to convince other people. Doing that will only lead to reproducing the same nonsense that Holla Forums constantly engages in under the vague banner of "leftism". These desperate bids for "numbers above all else" will only result in even more people misunderstanding what socialism is because all we've done is fed them some memes and some quips or buzzwords without actually informing anyone about what socialism is. And this should be antithetical to Holla Forums's aims.
As far as I'm concerned, Holla Forums is pretty much a lost cause. I don't really see any possible way of this board getting its shit together when it continues to exist on Holla Forums. The culture has a mind of its own.
Even if it were somehow possible to organize something like this, it wouldn't be desirable for Holla Forums to be anywhere near it.
How about we make a Subreddit but ban the ID pol retards and amateurs.
we are not thats why we want to build one form this mess
Whatever we come up with, we could probably get Xexizy and Rebel to shill it and rack us up a hundred followers or more.
I suggest a heavily moderated Subreddit(ban ID pol) with an emphasis on activism and brigading right wing forums. Witchhunting will be allowd.
witch hunts are good for any vanguard, i will voltneter my survies for art
i meant ill do art for anyone
You're right about everything you said, actually. And I'm frustrated with Holla Forums during most of the time I spend browsing here.
But first, this isn't meant to be an organization with "revolutionary potential". We're not planning to storm the palace here, we're planning to spread propaganda, and we can set our goals in a way that won't require any huge effort from anyone's part. Second, where do we find those revolutionaries who already have the right work ethic, mentality, preparation and knowledge? We're meant to shape people into socialists, not expect them to grow on trees.
The problem of little education is a real one, but what best to solve it than a dedicated group? For example, Holla Forums has produced at least three Reading Lists pics (that I've seen, there's probably more) and pretty much everyone here agrees that things like that are essential. Yet the lists made are complete horseshit, and it's because the people who decided to do them were lacking in knowledge themselves. Individual efforts here and there will not be enough to change the collective mentality.
And coordinate effort can be good thing for self-education. If we told people here "read Gramsci" they would say "eh, later". But if we told someone to read him so they can help us write an article, or make a video or a website, that's different. There's a goal, a purporse to calibrate our actions accordingly. And they know they can turn to us to help or debate, there's a sense of security.
Feeling that Holla Forums is too retarded to do anything is a valid sentiment, but I've seen good posts here and I've seen smart people on Holla Forums Twitter, on the comments section of Xexizy videos, on our FB page, etc. The problem is that, as any Chan, the retards outnumber them. But if we have a group, we have above all means to cut off the retards.
we make them
Hmmm, I think we'd need to make the sub look sexy as hell first( I have no clue how to code).
We'd need to establish websites that produce quality anti capitalist. in-depth articles and ban shitty sites.
Ban Tankies, ID Poltards, etc. People who derail activism or constructive discussion. If someone's controversial, the sub votes to either ban or not.
We'd need to establish a reading list and a leftypol approved youtube list.
Flairs for Art Help, Propaganda Help, Request for a written or filmed response to a certain video, tips on convincing Cappies.
Hmmm, could work, we'd just need some pretty well read people running the place and 2 objectives, attract well read people and target online right wing propaganda. Also, crowd-sourcing whatever projects we'd like.
i agree and i will gladly do art for any leftist that needs it! but we shouldnt ban idpol or tankies unless there ideology becomes non leftist there are grate feminist and Marxist Leninist tthat we can work with
A reddit would just be like Holla Forums, but in a different format. We need cohesion, objectives, direct communication. We can't make a thread asking "can someone help me draw this meme idea I have?" but if we had some group chat somewhere, we could.
I approve of the subreddit idea for other purposes, tough.
Exactly, Japan.
i agree witch is why i think it should be run Marxist Leninist
we need to unite all leftist boards on Holla Forums first. you cant unite an activism group without firstly uniting all the boards.
we need to treat /marx/, /anarcho/ and /anarchy/ a lot better than we are now.
arent they all here on the side tho?
i think the anarchist boards have a good rela with us, but /marx/ doesnt
really, are they even that active
Oh fuck no, nope, no feminism, absolutely no ID pol, they can go to r/Socialism. None of them agree on shit and they would scare away intelligent lefties who see Feminism as a waste of time, which by and large, it largely is in the west.
This is all irrelevant, we need to establish the subreddit and the rules first. Then we shill it on other boards.
It's also half of the reason r/socialism is complete shit. Nope nope nope.
i dont think everyone needs to be a feminist but its important to have so we can recognize sexism when it happens in our community if we allow it it will work aginst us
Do you know how to do that? Does anyone here?
Nigger we just brought it up. How about we think of a name.
LeftyPol
ActiveLeftypol
ComradesInAction
ComradesOnCrack
idk, I'm blanking out. We should prolly start a discord or some shit, find someone who can code, put together an idea of the sub theme in MS Paint. there's no rush. Perfect the sub before it goes public. Then SHILL the shit out of it.
Go back to >>>Holla Forums retard
If you want to dick around in ID pol and cry about rape culture, go to r/socialism. Our sub should be focused on the objectives I already mentioned, not drawing in reactionary children.
There was a "Holla Forums" subreddit before.
How about actually reading theory before you attempt to educate others?
you should help him
If we manage to establish an organized group, we can make a subreddit one of our first tasks. I mean, it can't be difficult to find someone who can code and someone who can create a decent layout, right?
We can then vote on the details, like the name and what to do with groups that can be annoying. But it's probably a good idea to start with the least amount of regulations just to get the ball rolling, then we purge the shit out of everybody.
agreed
Ok you fucks, I'm willing to reconsider and read some theory but it will be extremely hard to get over my skepticism given that every hysteria the feminists have brought up have been debunked by simple data, the wage gap, rape culture, the list goes on. If the feminism is centered on activism and not theory, then I will approve even further.
the wage gap
youtube.com
rape culture is real but probably now in the way you think, what is the rape culture to you
The belief that men are sympathetic towards rapists in the US. Fact of the matter is. rape has been declining since the 90s and people are "sympathetic" because a rape sentence is like 15 years plus a ruined career/social life. I don't call that sympathy, I call that being rational in a case of major accusations with very little evidence.
Also, they antagonize anyone who suggest that women be a little more responsible around people 4x stronger than them. Apparently this is rape culture too. How do we have rape culture when only a very small amount of men are rapists? How does feminism prevent actual rapists from raping? You think we should lecture 100% of men not to rape when 99 already fucking know that? It's just all retarded to me. I'm all for reform our justice system but clamoring up rape culture hysteria only paints a shitty picture of men to society.
you say that but look at much of the right wing, some people still dont think its rape if you are passed out, what about then
We should probably add each other on Skype or something so we know who we are.
How many times have i suggested this so far.
i dont have a skype but anyone can give me their email and i will email them
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Those are retards on 4chan who like to be edgy, they aren't reflective of the male consensus on rape cases. Let's get into this some other time, I'm a tad pre occupied
Eat a dick.
its active
Actually, where are you getting this from?
Just a friendly heads up that name flagging is cancerous, and you should be ashamed of what you are doing to this board.
older people can often feel that way
in what way is that true
Shut the fuck up about feminism the three of you because we're 50 replies in, no one reads threads at this point anymore, and I still don't know how many people I can count on to form anything. I'll probably need to take a few days and start another thread.
If there's anybody who reads this and wants to help, here's what we need right now:
Something that can serve as a chat group that can be accessed at any time, even when there's no one there. It needs to respect people's privacy and anonymity, it has to be simple to use and we need the power to ban people (and we need to be able to give this power to more than one people).
We got the Subreddit, but we need more. Throw your ideas in.
Anything else we can figure out once we're in the chatroom.
If you have ideas you don't want to discuss here in the open, you can talk to me on Twitter, I'm Gracchus: twitter.com
This is fucking hideous OC holy fuck man
I like it
I think this is a great idea. Activism and directx is exactly what we need to encourage.
I can code a little bit if that's necessary for a subreddit. The only thing I would caution is making sure that this subreddit or whatever isn't a place for discussion but a place for activism. If we split up places for discussion we'll eventually lose people and produce less content
skype: ricky.mandragon
twitter: kanyelover9000
oh shit wrong account
skype: kanyelover9000
i dont Skype but thank you
How do you guys in general feel about Discord?
not free (stallman sense of the word)
but it is alright I guess. There is already a leftypol one
Are you in the Dubtrack? If not, can you join?
delete your account.
why should i
Okay. First of all, we already do quite a lot of this (the normiebook page, the twitter profiles, the namefags with the youtube accounts).
Secondly from this thread it seems like none of you have any idea whats going on. I've spent quite a lot of time organising within trade unions & student societies, and it's a massive amount of work. It's also far more productive than 'spreading memes', which is a slightly pathetic goal for any activism.
Holla Forums will never be a source for any activism, and people need to accept this and instead look for RL groups or set their own one up.
The point here is that of those (and any other project) could be improved if we had a channel for direct communication somewhere.
And this isn't meant to be a substitute for IRL organization (which I think most people here either do or plan to do eventually). It's about the "information wars" and what we can do to help it. For that purpose, I think online groups can be more effective than IRL groups, who typically have other concerns.
What's wrong with Holla Forums?
autism
I think there's something wrong when most of our projects fail to materialize. Since a lot of people here have a lot of ideas and dedication, I think it comes down to the dynamics of communication in a Holla Forums board not being really suitable for that.
Well guys if you're interested in getting a sub and more going, head here.
OP, if you want a place to organise this easily, why not come on the irc?
irc.rizon.net #bunkerchan