Is America going through a political realignment? Similar, a reverse, to what happened in the early 20th century?

Seriously? The UK tories are indistinguishable from NuLabour, Merkels refugee-loving party IS Germany's 'conservatives'.

HES A SLICK ENTRYIST AND BERNIE'S COMRADE

No, he's actually competing with Bernie. Bernie doesn't want anything beyond democratic socialism, Trump wants more. Trump's wall is to keep the bourgeoisie and fascists in so he can exterminate them and bring about a Communist America.

The short hand of it is that white males got sick of being called racist and sexist so we're voting for Trump to build a wall, protect our second amendment rights (which are part and parcel to family values) and telling the rest of the country that it's fucking ours. Though he's just the beginning.

Actually Trump is looking out for blue collar Americans by incentivizing corporations not to take their jobs over seas. Building a wall prevents immigrants from taking working class jobs as well. Trump appeals to all classes, it's kind of like Not Socialism in that sense.

As for the neoliberal shit like single payer health-care, Im pretty sure he just mentioned that to survive in our political climate. No matter how much Romney pushed, a majority of people aren't insane enough to want to keep the current syste.

The problem is that he's not telling the truth about his policies. It would be against his own bourgeois self interest to limit immigration or end overseas manufacturing.
With that said, his rhetoric is still a good thing and proof that neoliberal capitalism is highly unpopular among the American electorate.

He meant corporate lobbying groups, of which he's not listening to or else he would have been much less popular.

Well
A) Trump himself sends jobs overseas and
B) Every politician talks about stop illegal immigration but none of them do it. Trump's solution doesn't even make sense because you could easily find ways around the wall (using the tunnel system the Mexican drug cartels have been using for decades, using boats or just overstaying your visa, finding a weak point and climbing over like we do with our current fences)

According to whom? The pol/acks with the wool pulled over their eyes?
opensecrets.org/pres16/contrib.php?&id=N00023864

I don't think Trump is honest but we should still build a wall. It's much better than doing nothing.

No its not, its not going to do shit and its fucking expensive.

He's not running for president simply for self-interest, that's fucking stupid. He's spending a fuck ton of money on his campaign and is willing to spend 4 years (at least) in one of the most stressful jobs in the country because he's looking beyond his self-interest, though you could argue he's looking out for the sake of his families future. Limiting immigration is also looking out for white people so that definitely appeals to the interest of himself along with all other white people, we've seen what Paris looks like and it's disgusting. He's not a neoliberal or a neocon, he's more of a paleocon, especially with his 'let the states decide' rhetoric.

Tell that to Palestinians.

Building walls works. Hungary's doing it and it's working, Israel does it and it works. Walls are a big fuck you to illegals, and it's not just going to be a wall genius, he's talking about amping up border security in general.

en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Western_Wall_Tunnel

Again something every president promises and rarely deliver

The US Navy gave him 5,000 dollars! What a sellout! Do you realize how fucking small that money is compared to what Jeb Bush was given? Add all that money up and it's fucking nothing compared to what someone needs to run for president.

:^)

And do palestinians use this wall? Also Israel's border security check for IDs even if there's a breach. I'd rather build a wall then just let immigrants run rampant. Your arguments suggest a defeatist attitude that's despicable to people who value citizenship.

Add up all the money, it's nothing.

Cut part of our military budget and we could easily afford to build a wall. I think the reality is that you have an agenda and you don't want to do anything about our immigration problem.

I can't read his mind but you're most likely wrong.
He's either running to either:
1) Feed his own ego
2) Push for laws that will fatten his wallet.
I hope he's in it for the good of the nation but I highly doubt it. Especially considering his class position.
Yet he's already taking money from the kike Sheldon Adelson.
He knows how to market to people. He's not the second coming of Hitler, despite what Holla Forums may believe.
Agreed. Islam is a cancer and so are the rapefugees.
His rhetoric is that of a paleocon. His actions are those of a neocon. Pic related.

And your argument is devoid of anything that shows there will be a demonstrable difference in actual illegal immigration. The wall is just bullshit to get votes from idiots who think it will work and is somehow more significant compared to all the other measures taken.

Thats just moving the goalposts. "He's against corporate lobbyists!" *shows that he isn't* "ok well, ITS NOT THAT MUCH!"
Fuck off, your messiah is a joke

thedailybeast.com/articles/2016/06/08/trump-plots-lobbyist-power-summit.html

Sounds good

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Sorry Pedro. You have to go back.

If you had thread IDs you would realize that's not even true.

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It's nowhere near enough to run for president, let alone governor or senator. If he wasn't footing the bill he wouldn't have been able to run, cause he is sure as shit not saying anything that most corporations want to hear.

lol, nope. You've proven yourself to be a complete retard.

I read the part of the post that was relevant. i.e. I read the part where you were responding to me.

In any case both of you should fuck of from here and stop shitting up the board with your boring propaganda.

You are preaching on deaf ears, nobody here is going to vote for Donald Trump and you are wasting your time, I'l admit it's amusing watching you Holla Forumsyps autistically type away bullshit arguments and bringing our board traffic up, but it's getting pathetic at this point.

I don;t….give a fuck, he still works with corporate lobbyists contrary to your original point. What part of "moving the goal posts" don't you understand?

Just face it, he's going to be exactly like every other president and you are just buying into his populist nonsense

So did you read the part where I pointed out every president thinks they have some kind of solution for the immigration problem, and this is just another dumb example?

you can't handle the truth, wahhhh

And that's when I realized who the true cucks are.

pro-tip it's you.

I literally called him dishonest:

With that said. If you're seriously considering voting for Hillary you should consider checking yourself into an insane asylum.

It doesn't matter. A wall is still better than doing nothing. Not that I think Trump will even build a wall anyway.

Not an argument. He's funding his campaign precisely so he can speak his mind. Bernie and Clinton aren't doing that and neither are most candidates.

Thats also not an argument when he's in bed with corporate shills. What aren't you getting?

Its actually not imgur.com/gallery/KVdSb

So when your losing an argument you resort to making shit up?

17 billion is literally a drop in the bucket. Quit using financially conservative arguments in order to push your open border agenda.

So now you are reasserting he doesn't get lobby donations?

Bullshit, Trump pulled a number out of his ass and some slave-mentalist found unrelated numbers to justify it.

The WTC thing is also a proven lie that the "rebuking" image isn't even related to. There is literally no evidence that what he said actually happened, nor is there a shred of evidence that support for terrorism among American Muslims has increased: people-press.org/2011/08/30/muslim-americans-no-signs-of-growth-in-alienation-or-support-for-extremism/

Just fucking admit that you want god-daddy to make your life choices for you because reality is frightening.

It would be so simple wouldn't it? If you could just ignore how utterly ineffective a wall would actually be and just accuse others of being ideologues. But its not that simple i'm afraid

Expected nothing less :^)

This is a very low minimum. US government inefficiency and Trump's boisterousness would probably increase the cost tenfold. Not to mention the extreme costs of maintenance.
And of the people the wall manages to stop, most of them will likely not be dangerous criminals that know their way around a border full of armed guards.
Salty projection

To be fair, they also railed into Sanders for his "white people don't know" statement that ended up being a complete gaffe.

Nowhere near enough to call him a corporate shill. Your argument is fucking crap, he's almost entirely self-funded.

Which is probably why he almost ran out of campaign money.

He'd just favor his own poorly run businesses in office instead of selling nepotism to the highest bidder.

I've already destroyed your financial argument.
With that said, you clearly have an agenda. Even if illegals can dig tunnels, it's much more difficult to dig a tunnel than it is to just walk across an unprotected border. There's no reason for us to make it easier for immigrants to sneak into our country.

Even if the cost is doubled, you could easily take that money from the military budget without seeing much of a difference in the overall numbers. As for maintenance. You're talking maybe a couple billion per year. That's something that we could easily manage.
You'd be surprised what desperate people can manage to pull off. Not to mention, they still inflate the labor market.
Not really.

What percentage of money taken from corporate interests in desperation to keep a campaign running counts as officially being a shill? Why is he failing to get money from the people, anyways?

Which is different from your earlier argument. Even if he was 100% self funded I don't see what your point is when he probably going to only serve corporate interests. He is, after all, a business mogul not Jesus

thedailybeast.com/articles/2016/06/08/trump-plots-lobbyist-power-summit.html

thenation.com/article/donald-trump-expert-negotiator-refuses-to-meet-with-his-unionizing-workers/

Something EVERY president does
cagw.org/media/wastewatcher/obama-doubles-down-corporate-welfare

I did, and you still haven't demonstrated why it will be effective

They already have, its not hard to pay the drug cartel to take your family across. Its what is happening in Australia for the most part
latimes.com/local/lanow/la-me-ln-border-tunnels-20150501-htmlstory.html

But we already have round the clock security and fences, what is the Great Wall of Autism going to solve?

He's not failing to get any money obviously, he's just not being a hypocrite. That must be baffling for a leftist to understand, that a billionaire would do something selfless. Someone who has more to lose than you risks it all.

Yes, 17 billion is a drop in the bucket for the total costs of this wall of questionable value. By the time you're done you're looking at easily over $100b with upkeep of maybe another $10b a year

This is for something that, unlike all those other discretionary spendings, offers no direct benefit to fucking anyone. You've kept out the lettuce pickers and, unless the whole thing is going to be manned (and even then it's not likely to be 100% effective) for another doubling of the upkeep costs, haven't actually likely kept out the dangerous people you shits keep yammering about.

Pick one

Border security has never been a high priority for any recent president. It's classic forced helplessness

learned* helplessness

You're resorting to making shit up.

Which is why he's more fit to make better trade deals that benefit the entire country, especially workers, since he knows what he's doing and he isn't a corporate shill.

"In addition to border patrol, Wasserman Schultz also gave credit to Obama for the most "border security deployed" – a more general term that we took to include fences or other technological or infrastructure improvements.

The first fence along the southwestern border was built in 1990 but was comparatively small: Prior to 2005 there were 78 miles of pedestrian fencing and 57 miles of vehicle barriers, according to a paper by the Migration Policy Institute."

politifact.com/florida/statements/2013/jul/01/debbie-wasserman-schultz/more-border-security-and-patrols-under-obama-previ/

He's not failing to get money because he's not trying to get it on purpose, because of the fact that he's self-funded. Christ you're stupid.

This proves one thing. Trumpenproles need to be stabbed in the neck repeatedly until they die.

You do not avoid serving corporate interests by skipping the middleman and just directly electing corporate america straight into office. You FAT FUCKING RETARD

Well yeah that is hard to imagine, considering the same guy has sent jobs overseas

lol you're mad and stupid, what a combination

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I already explained that.
The majority of Mexicans get over here by simply crossing the border. If the Mexican government won't stop their people from digging tunnels than we should put sanctions on the Mexican government until they stop looking the other way with regards to their citizens violating our border laws. As for the tunnels themselves, we should destroy them wherever we find them.
The entire border isn't even fenced. This is what was proposed. It doesn't even represent our current levels of (or a lack of) border security.

I don't care if it costs 100 billion dollars (by the way, I see you globalists constantly moving the goalposts with regards to costs. Your agenda isn't getting past anyone).
It's a matter of principle. These people have no right to violate our nations laws and essentially act as economic scabs to the American working class. Despite what you anarcho-kiddies may believe.

if you believe in mutual cooperation then you believe in the power of a good business deal

That was what you we're going with? LOL

Stop, please, not more of this idea that either government is omnipotent and can just stop immigration problems by throwing money at it.

And where it is fenced?

The ideology burns

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That's your argument? Pathetic.

Because I did. I'm not going to explain it to you again. It would be a waste of my time and yours.

Interventionism is left-wing, the neocons are left wing anti-stalinist trotskyites, look up Irving Kristol.

Not really. Interventionism leans more towards authoritarianism, whereas non-interventionism leans more towards libertarianism.

If you're still trying to argue that he's just another corporate shill then you're fighting an uphill battle friend. He's clearly not popular with the elite, MSM, or major corporations. He put his whole career on the line for this. Also corporations aren't the problem, corporations having too much power and colluding and monopolizing is the problem, and the most effective way to solve that is with anti-trust legislation and a strong state. Trump has actually proposed anti-trust legislation against insurance companies, at least that's all that I've heard of, which hasn't been a thing for presidential candidate in a long fucking time.

Because the Mexican government is so good at stopping crime

Interventionism serves corporations in the military-industrial complex. Nevertheless ain't nothing wrong with a strong empire as long as it's culturally/ethnically homogenous.

What matters is that the American government stops crime, much of which comes from niggers and spics.

I'm a nationalistic left winger and I agree with everything you said. With that said, the military industrial complex is a result of the policies pushed by capitalistic globalists. I'm the same guy in this thread who has been saying that Trump isn't telling the truth about his border wall even though I support the idea of a border wall.

Little proles, the Israeli security wall is literally useless. Drive a few extra miles through an alternate route, catch a ride with an expat NGO worker, or use a laxer checkpoint and you’re in.

The wall only exists to intimidate people, sequester farmers from their land, and make things unbearably inconvenient for Palestinians. One gigantic territorial pissing.

(Source: I used to live in Palestine)

And reminder, it’s not the presence of Mexicans in America or Palestinians in Israel that’s the problem. It’s your shitty neoliberal or neocolonial policies that are fucking up your spooks.

Was this thread a Holla Forums attempt to infiltrate and bring us to their Daddy, that got sidetracked by their triggering over muh ethnic homogeneity?

But you did, you said that the Mexicans should do their share, well that's not going so well is it

blog.al.com/wire/2011/10/crackdown_on_illegal_immigrant.html

Sounds good to me. Too bad walls can't kill people.

Then you understand first hand that walls serve their function in more ways than just physically blocking people from entering, as you've done well to point out.

Not me, if you had thread IDs you wouldn't get so easily confused.

Personally I think Americans should just kill all the damn spics and repopulate the area with white people.

Sounds like an awful lot of effort just to be a dick, when you know those icky for’nurrz will still be getting in.

Were you thrilled when you discovered that you can channel into a “political ideology” your antisocial personality disorder?

It's not just to be a dick. Is that not obvious? This is about a bare minimum standard, walls need to exist because illegal immigration is a problem, that's not to say we shouldn't be willing to take things farther. There's so much more to this than merely harming people, if it was my choice we would just exterminate them and get it over with, that way no wall needed.

Daily reminder that all of the cucks advocating for open borders will be on the wrong side of history as the national political realignment takes place:
politico.com/magazine/story/2016/05/2016-election-realignment-partisan-political-party-policy-democrats-republicans-politics-213909

Important snippets taken from the article:

As the old saying goes: "Which side are you on?". Are you going to be with the global capitalists or the national proletariat? There's no middle ground. You're either a nationalist or a globalist. The National left will replace the old internationalist communist attitudes and the globalist right will replace the old libertarian free market attitudes. You're either with us or against us. Otherwise we will be more than happy to put you against the wall.

But minimum wage is socialism!

Well I’m glad to know it’s still a foundational part of the platform, as it were.

Now scurry back to Holla Forums before bedtime, little one. I’ll be busy polluting your white gene pool with my Hispanic/Oriental seed.

I couldn't think of anything more harmful or stupid than pacifism. So sorry I care more about the identity of my people more than yours, oh wait, I'm not sorry at all.

Illegal immigration has actually stagnated. Unless the Obama administration is literally lying to everyone

I see Trump as more of a Left-wing-nationalist.
Trump says he has Liberal friends a lot doesn't he?

He is in rhetoric but I don't know if he will be in policy. Either way. I welcome the rhetoric.

What kind of uniform is that?

You know what other country tried to do that shit and has completely failed? Australia, where they place all illegals on an island and torture them to try and deter them. Only with your wall its supposed to be majestic in nature, as if that's to deter illegals.

People don't try to break into shitholes fam.

Mexican illegals frequently return though, and I imagine the second trip is a hell of a lot easier.

I would support the wall only if the wall actually contained a maze inside that Mexicans can enter, and only by mastering the English language and a citizenship exam are they able to pass through the maze and get to the other side. It would be fun, educational and a path to citizenship!

Vietnamese Police uniform