Hypothetically speaking: What if we're wrong?

Hypothetically speaking: What if we're wrong?

What if, for instance, the left is completely right? Would it matter to you? Would you change your opinion?

If you could be objectively be proven wrong would you concede that you were? Would you stop believing in Yeshua? Would you cease believing in nationalism?

What about the intelligent left? Those who get top marks, the doctors, the nurses and those with soaring grades that are fiercely leftist? How do you deal with those? Are they simply "Good at regurgitating information" as academics seem to be or is that intelligence in itself? How do you deal with these sorts of people?

Let's have a discussion - what would be sufficient evidence for you to change your beliefs?

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Nice try nigger.

Stupid hypothetical. There are no circumstances under which it's morally right that White people should go extinct. Why wonder about impossible situations?

The left is wrong by definition. Right wing means absolute truth. Deviation from truth is varying degrees of left wing.

Don't exist.

Concentration camps.

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My sister has a graduate degree in educational leadership, and she's a special education teacher. She's also a die hard liberal.

I'm a sous chef, I have three associate degrees, and never want to go to university. I'm a Trump supporter.

Emotional intelligence and strong intuition are the differences between those whom have been subverted and demoralized vs those who have not.

we're here because we are right.

"Smart leftists" are either brainwashed or virtue signalling to protect their livelihood.

There is no piece of evidence than can make me change my beliefs, I firmly believe in the rules of nature, and those rules apply to humans too. If you want to try and debunk evolution or entropy, have fun lol

Well, let's unravel that.
As anecdotal as it may be I've met a number of doctors with fiercely leftist opinions. Mostly nurses, why is it that they can receive top marks and yet still hold those beliefs?

Not really an answer, How do you deal with the fact that they exist and still hold those opinions?


Well, let's say morally they proved that blacks had some form of inheritable PTSD from slavery. Video related. They morally think that whites deserve punishment for their deeds, so is that okay? That they believe morally that it's a punishment? That something should go extinct if they commit a heinous act?

Yes, If, so think about it. Creating a bubble in which you can't entertain an idea is a little silly don't you think?


As is my brother, he's a teacher and a young developmental specialist and yet not only is he a liberal but a mod for /r/GamerGhazi.

So how would you deconstruct that, Emotional Intelligence and Academic intelligence? Do you think because she holds these degrees she's more intelligent than you are? How do you know you are correct if she holds a higher academic rank over you?

We managed to get to the moon with the wrong information.

How does one explain doctors/nurses and various other leftists that hold these jobs?
My sister in law is a nurse for instance and despises whites to the point of wishing them dead and being a strong supporter of vid related.


Keeping in mind that I completely agree with you how then can you reason with others that hold the same position. For instance "I will never change my views on feminism." "I will never change my views on communism" etc etc?

i don't know, user, we'd all be flying around casting magic missile.

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The left ignores nature and tries to rework society on what they want it to be. They can't possibly be right.

I might be wrong about things. But that doesn't mean the left is right just because I'm wrong. Reality isn't based on a Hegelian binary answer to every problem. The left is always wrong because they derive their conclusions from a false premise of equality.

I might be wrong but the answer isn't on the left,

Look at the amount of medical malpractice in this country and the way affirmative action works in academia, then you'll understand why it is.

I heavily considered the possibility a few years ago in my lolberg days, but racial tensions are at an all-time high thanks to Obongo and there's just no hiding their irrational hatred of us anymore. The way I've seen these people talk about whites or even the rare minorities who value actual justice over their gibs is disgusting. I'm more than happy to throw it all back in their faces and fight them for the rest of my life if that's what it takes. The amount of social media campaigns to rob people of their livelihood, legit death threats, assaults and sometimes even actual murders in response to clear-cut arguments against them and their lunacy is all too telling. Every time I might start to doubt what I'm doing or saying, some shitskin comes forward and commits a horrible crime against whites, openly declares that they did it out of hatred of whites only to be defended enmasse by the same people they want to kill. I'd love to coexist, but it's just not possible with such stupid, violent, hate-filled animals. I don't see myself ever being convinced otherwise, there's simply too much out there these days to contradict their "best of intentions" narrative.

I dismiss the "smart" ones as essentially being held hostage to the popular opinion if they want to keep being regarded as smart. If going full 1488 got them the most positive attention, you bet you're ass they'd all do it. Rocking the boat is financial suicide for a lot of them, but the kikes are more than willing to abuse this fact and get them to promote stuff they might otherwise be totally disinterested in.

I'd still think that everyone in society around me is a functional retard, I can't possibly be wrong about that part of the equation.

They won't change their beliefs out of ignorance or stupidity. Keep in mind both of those things are completely against everything that is who we are, biologically and mentally, therefore it is pure insanity. You can't expect someone who is insane to properly reason with facts or evidence otherwise, because they are so convinced of something they aren't willing to see a different side of the story. I feel Holla Forums is the exact opposite, I've been on it for years, I came into it a liberal and now I'm a national socialist. It's an idea-eat-idea dynamic going on here.

Sorry, are you asking "What if the left wasn't a disingenuous pile of dogshit liars?" or are you asking "What if the Left's proven-to-be-bullshit fibs are true?"

First they'd have to prove it, too bad they can't. The left is incapable of making a sound argument for any cause. Probably because THEY ARE WRONG, and what do wrong people do? Spout bullshit and deflect.

You want me to entertain some fiction in which certain facts are inverted? That is what would be required for me to alter my beliefs, an inversion of reality.

Those are some feeble jewish mindtricks you've got there


I POOP ON YOUR FACE

I told you. They are brainwashed. Developing a healthy and accurate view of the world is completely separate from developing a useful skill and applying it practically.

One of my relatives dyed his hair a weird color and shares buzzfeed articles about "gender identity" while simultaneously being a PhD candidate for physics at an Ivy League university. Unfortunately, the two are not mutually exclusive.

You made a similar thread last week, kike.

Holla Forums has a memory that puts elephants to shame.

Gas yourself.

What a disingenuous bullshit strawman image. Belongs on fucking reddit or Holla Forums.

The debate on Holla Forums is non-Christians insisting that Christianity is pro-zionist establishment. Then Christians point out all the overwhelming evidence to the contrary (the Bible declaring Jews to no longer be the chosen people, that Jews are cursed for murdering God, are the Synagogue of Satan, how the Talmud mocks and insults Jesus and Christians, how top Israeli Zionist Jews boast about the need to destroy Christendom in their papers and press, etc.,etc.) and then non-Christians scatter off and never learn anything and the debate continues.

People on Holla Forums aren't pro-Christian just to spite what SJWs think. Nobody gives a shit what SJWs think.

The left has been proven wrong repeatedly, why even ask this?

Well you haven't. I'm not a leftist, though, so I don't double down when I'm proven wrong.


What you preach is nationalism, you just believe that everybody is (or should be) of the same nation, and that that will solve everybody's problems.

Your own question implies the left is composed of retards, with exceptions. Bad move.


Rope works fine.

This is literally what the school system trains people to do.

Oh, so you're trying to redefine intelligence.

Again, rope.

This is what leftards say before they block everybody that disagrees with them.

Most of us found our way here because of the facts.

Are you even trying?

Filtered. Reported.

might makes right no matter what you believe, the laws of nature require no human input. progressive values tend to eschew the laws of nature

If we really were so evil that we deserved to go extinct, we would also be so evil that we would never admit it and just continue to enslave and destroy the niggers instead.

In any case slavery, imperialism etc. aren't inherent or unique to whites anyway, so every other ethnic group on earth that engaged in it would have to be "punished" that way too.

Is that like the dude in Apocalypse Now?

Doctors are not intelligent.

Nurses are definitely not intelligent.

And being wrong is inherently unintelligent. The only real definition of intelligence is ability to know truth. Those who know truth are ipso facto more intelligent than those who don't.

Leftism demands a suicidal, self-hating mindset from whites and denies our right to homogeneous nations, so no.


The enemy of my enemy is not my friend. We've seen your mask slip off often enough to know what that christians view the white race with contempt. You may hate most jews except rabbi jesus, but muslims hate jews too, doesn't make either of you ok.

my contingency plan for "if all this whacky unnatrual shit is actually right" is to take so many drugs I go catatonic and feign retardation until it all blows over or I die.

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Yes you dolt "rabbi jesus" y'know the one jews hate so bad they wouldn't write a fucking x thus earning them the nickname "kikes"? The one they write as boiling in excrement in hell? The one who whipped the usurious yids for shekel-shuffling in a temple? Who failed time and time again with their sheenie tricks untill they up and killed him? Dear god you LARPagans are fucking incessant. You do know your religions are fucking non-starters right? Or are you going to pick a fight with the most common european religion and carry out some more fratricide you kike shill?

It's not a matter of who's right/wrong, it's a matter of perspective. My interests as a middle class, heterosexual white male are very different than the interests of an extremely wealthy Jewish cosmopolitan or a dirt poor Syrian refugee. I only care about my interests and the interests of my loved ones, every one else can get ovened as far as I care.

Shit thread, tbh.

>what if belief x is wrong?
>what if opposite belief y is right?
>what about people with belief y who have cognitive virtue m?

This is garbage from a philosophical perspective. There is no first order criticisms of the beliefs in question. Both x and y are empty, thus nothing can really be said about the beliefs in general. You've also set it up so they are both contradictories, which is fucking stupid from a set-theoretic perspective. You are basically saying the entire set of left and right beliefs are all opposed to each other, when there might be contraries and subcontraries, i.e. there could be beliefs within the set that are both true at the same time, or both false. Also no discussion about second-order aspects, i.e. general belief formation, reliability of belief formation, justification, etc.

Fucking garbage OP posing as a deep thread. Go read a fucking philosophy book.

you dont have to be smart to be a doctor
just a hard worker who cares about the material so you can get to and through med school

That's not the point you stupid faggot. The point is the middle pic is a bullshit strawman.

Also
So basically you're saying 75-80% of the white race is your enemy. Shalom!

Fucking retard.

You can be intelligent and still believe in liberalism. Liberalism is internally consistent and it's a logical worldview that can have an answer to any problem. It's universal so you could apply it to anything.

It's a logical tool. i can think like a liberal at whim because I was raised inside of that logical framework. The problem with liberalism is that it's foundationally incorrect and built on the premises of equality, liberty and democracy always being good. If you believe those premises to be good then the logical approach to any problem will be what would give the most equality, liberty and democracy.

Equality isn't found in nature therefore it doesn't exist nor will it ever exist. The problem of liberty is more nuanced but to put it simply liberty is earned not given. And the problem of democracy is that it's historically a failed system that creates more problems than it solves.

If you reject the premises of liberalism you won't arrive at the same conclusions as a liberal.

1. Hillary will be elected and promote a concept of “insuring your guns” so anyone harmed by a gun in private ownership during a mass shooting or criminal use families can be monetarily compensated. Obamacare will be used as a legal precedent in many cases as a shield. It will pass in the House and Senate narrowly due to cucks who say “well this hurts no one and only helps people.” There will be tons of bribes and blackmail like during the Iran deal legislation. The NRA and other gun organizations will be livid but vow to keep fighting it at the state level.

2. Insurance will NOT be allowed across state lines such as under Obamacare. In liberal states they will pass bills making it more expensive/impossible to receive insurance than in none liberal states. You won’t be able to get insurance if you have any sort mental health problems (ever been prescribed Adderall or sought help from a shrink etc). If you are a male or have any criminal record it will be a more expensive premium etc. Basically any reason that can be used to disqualify you or at the very least make it insanely expensive and damage your economic likelihood will be.

3. The Supreme Court will rule in favor of the insurance mandate along the lines of Obamacare. In the case of Republican opposition refusing to approve new Justices the Supreme Court will remain deadlocked. At the state level it will succeed in almost all liberal states. The first challenge to it will be in a liberal Federal Judicial District that intentionally throws their case and has their ruling stand due to a deadlock on the Supreme Court (Districts 3, 2, 1, or 7.) Conservative states will generally oppose the law and make Colorado/Washington “weed type” zones where even though it is against Federal statute people don’t obey the law and don’t register their guns because such insurance companies will not be allowed to operate in said states. Many legal actions will result but they will drag on for years. However the key part is almost ALL liberal states will obey, and since AT FIRST premiums will be lowish people will go along.

4. Because of the Federal mandate you will be required to report firearms insurance on your taxes or be found in violation of the law. If you don’t have record of your insurance and you ever had a National Instant Criminal Background Check the ATF or IRS can raid your house to check for firearms at any time. Your address will be on file in a Federal database at all times as a firearm owner. You will be audited frequently by the IRS if you are in this database.

5. After a few years and mass confiscation in liberal states of those who disobey they will pass a draconian law that massively increases the insurance so only super richfags will be financially able to have a gun. But everyone who already has a legal gun will have their address and tax information already on file with the IRS and in the national database so unless they can afford the new price of insurance, the gun WILL be requisitioned or the person arrested. The cost of having guns will be so prohibitory expensive that anyone that owns them (especially in liberal states) will stick out like a sore thumb. Eventually over time as Whites die out in conservative states gun ownership will too.

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Completely right/wrong, how fucking simple are you mate? That's not the way the world works, I feel you have outted yourself as a leftist just by stating something so simplistic and retarded.

There is far far more to our belief than things you can just be right/wrong about.

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there is not a single practitioner of judaism alive who walks in the flesh on this earth today and is also a Jew

I don't think there are many christ cucks left. The reason why many high IQ people who have powerful brains but, often little to know understanding of the world are hardcore leftists is because they know they are smart and they want to feel smart and are far more invested in the academic community than working class people are. Smart lefties have a huge incentive to go along with the status quo because they want to be seen as intelligent. Also it is far more likely to be fired from one of the learned professions for wrong think compared to blue collar jobs so, its far easier for lower IQ working class people to be shitlords. Its really not complicated. Many people have powerful brains (high IQs, high intelligence) without having good understanding of the world. Also, many people have weaker brains (lower IQs, lower intelligence) but, they have great instincts and inherent understanding of the world without being able to articulate everything in the most academic way possible

If I was factually proven wrong then I would change my beliefs and positions. I doubt anyone could do that because I've done a ton of research before adopting my views openly.

no where near that many Whites are the christian sect of judaism. keep lying schlomo.

These people are leftists because they are products of a leftist institution. Hardly surprising.

Keep telling that to yourself. I'm sure denial will make it easier to genocide whites.

thi, pretty much

Right and wrong don't matter when it comes to philosophy. We will always be "right" because our ideal view of society is based in right wing philosophy. Lefties are always right in their minds. Now before you call me a shill, the main difference between us and them is their shit has been proven to fail throughout history, meanwhile conservatism has succeeded in various forms in history.

Only kikes are actually using "Yeshua", trying to rename Jesus. Fuck off.
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Well race realism is heavily based off of Genetics and Evolution so for in order for Race Realism to be wrong Genetics and Evolution have to be wrong meaning it's Creationism that's right
But the left aren't creationists

most people who are part of the christian sect of judaism are non White. all christian leadership and doctrine promotes globalism and anti White policies

why do you want Whites to worship the jewish faith that tells them to become weak effeminate self hating faggots.

christ cucking is no different from liberalism

the christian sect of judaism brought Europe self hate, hatred of pride, anti racial thinking, cuckoldry, VICTIM WORSHIP, thought police, White genocide and senseless wars and divisions over differing interpretations of the jewish text

The smartest doctors of yesteryear believed 'humors' controlled our health.

Being intelligent is no guarantee of correct opinions, and being in a care industry does not guarantee correct opinions. You idiot

Yes, it's very much like religion in that way. Accept the basic premises and you have a logical, cohesive belief system. If you don't, it's of little use.

And he thinks this gives him power over us?

The left is wrong even by their own standards because they spread racism. They just make lame excuses to justify their own behavior while pointing the finger at others.

In order to be correct, you have to follow your own philosophy. That's why Objectivism is wrong, because in the end, Ayn Rand wasn't able to follow it and took Social Security payments to pay for her cancer treatments even after she publicly railed against Social Security. She just came up with a lame excuse why it was all right for her to do it.

These people are a product of a sheltered upbringing in a nearly completely white or wealthy neighborhood. Therefore their ideals, and political beliefs, don't have to be based in reality because they simply don't interact with it.

For instance there are a lot of leftists who say the death penalty is a violation of human rights, when in fact their idealism is based upon a notion that a human life is sacred. They believe this because they never witnessed, seen, or experienced the true lows a man can sink to.

They say this, and don't realize what weight their words carry. They don't realize that because you outlawed the death penalty a child murder can live out the rest of days straining society's money. That mass murders and terrorists who completely destroyed innocent peoples lives for virtually nothing can stay in a cell and write to their followers.

Furthermore the people in the "intelligent left" are subjected to appeals of emotion, herd mentality, and logical fallacies like anybody else. However, people like to pretend they aren't by citing their specialization as validation for their perceived superiority. And therefore because of this perceived superiority they must be "right." God, it's pathetic just thinking about it. I wonder what Socrates would say.

The one thing left is right is that we need to form up into one single block at some point instead of smaller countries in Yorop.

Obviously what they are wrong is that we'd need all to rook the saem light-brown mongrels for it to work and for it'd to be because of "m-muh global world muh feelings".

Your lack of historical knowledge is stunning. Modern Talmudic Judaism is as part of the spiritual lineage of Abraham as Scientology is. The Talmud was written down 500 years after Christ by mostly gentile converts in Eastern Europe and Germany. It's a cult of Israelite LARPers who don't follow a single teaching of the old testament (the Talmud also routinely mocks the Torah's teachings).

You can keep insisting that Christianity is Jewish but it's flat out wrong and you're being intellectually dishonest.

The rest of your post is just typical leftist atheist fanfiction wherein you blame all of the world's ills on Christianity. Yeah, Christianity created all this self-hatred and cuckoldry. That's why it didn't exist at all in Western civilization until modern times when people have abandoned Christianity. Unless of course you can prove to me that the last 1000-2000 years of Western civilization was filled with all these ills. In which case why does Holla Forums even exist then? You'd think a millenia or two of open borders multiculti cuckoldry would've made everyone used to it by now.

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The truth is so easy to come by, even a child can do it. That's why we're taught about the holocaust from the 3rd grade.

What shit twisted Jewish logic. I pity you, OP.

It's not a matter of correctitude, it's a matter of desire.

Unpopular opinion, I don't actually think they are wrong per se…

in every way they approach, attempt to get what they want, or change others opinions they are wrong again, and again, and again

Rights for women, trans, disabled, minority, gay, whatever, thats cool, do your own thing as long as everyone else still gets to be happy too

Problem is the left are people of emotions and they both choose their goals and their methods with emotion.
The right on the other hand are people of calculated fact, they device what they care about based on cold hard facts and things usually directly related to them, and act on them in with a solid fact based gameplan.
I think both are wrong to a degree, but at least the right will follow through, sticking to its beliefs, and making what it wants to happen happen.
Leftists are a fucking mess, they say they want equality, but they let emotion lead how they get that, instead of just doing their jobs well, confronting legitimate oppression, they instead appeal to emotion, whine to the world, hold everyone they know hostage to their emotions and fits, slander anyone they don't like or god forbid, challenge their views, and thus they become hypocrites, who will happily turn on their own.
The right, will disagree with you, but also agree to disagree, and can be worked with to find beneficial mutual agreements as long as it works in their favor. The right has some damn decency, and understands working with people one disagrees with, the leftists can't understand or handle people with other opinions, you toe the line or you are a damn traitor and no better than those cishet nazis.

I don't have much problem with the underlying ideologies, but at every tun the lefts actions, validations of itself, and behavior are subhuman and absolutely disgusting, they start with some alright premises but fail themselves, eachother, and everyone around them in every way.
They are led by liars and psychopaths, everything good they try to do in the end becomes self serving and deceitful. Every group they pledge to protect, every person they sway to their side, is really a victim of their insane cult of self indulgence of victimhood

A academic with a timid personality might be brilliant and objective when studying a subject of no social consequence. But as soon as he enters into a region of thought where social pressures exist, he shuts his mind down and goes with the herd.

This isn't even to say that he is being cowardly. The fact that the herd believes it makes it actually seem true to him. For the same reason, incredibly intelligent people will also often come to believe the entirety of some made up religion, down to the last letter, simply because the rest of their society believes it.

Independent thought generally only thrives in the absence of social pressure.

>What if, for instance, [reality altered in a fundamental manner]?

> Would you stop believing in [deity]?
> Would you cease believing in [ideology]?

> What about the [intelligent indoctrinates]?
> Those who get top marks, the doctors, the nurses and those with soaring grades that are [thoroughly indoctrinated]?

> Let's have a discussion - [what would it take for you to stop believing in whatever it is you believe in]?

You seem rather bad at this tbh fam.

That makes no sense, because then what evidence made you believe in your believes in the first place?

You didn't come out of the womb as a National Socialist or whatever.

The retarded threads up right now…it's even worse than it's been for the last week of intinite-slide-fest 2016. What's going on?

They aren't. I used to be a total libshit and the level of self delusion I had to maintain to believe in egalitarianism and the whites-as-historical-villan narrative was simply unsustainable.

The one place I still agree with the former Left is on globalism, imperialism, and international finance. But the Left doesn't care about that anymore. They're all globalists for Hillary. And those are now issues that the Alt-Right and Trumpism correctly address.

Because the system reinforces those beliefs which suit the desired narrative, and consciously ignores or ridicules things which oppose the desired narrative, with the narrative itself being determined by the desires of those who oversee those systems.
Marxists are good at infiltrating institutions, what a surprise!

What's to deal with?
Vid related.


No. If whites deserve punishment, this implies guilt, and the 'crimes' which the white population is accused of were demonstrated by EVERY culture and civilization on Earth at some point in history.
This is a mentality of victimhood, running about begging or demanding reimbursement for claimed wrongs, and it is pathetic, disgenic, culturally and psychologically degenerate.
That's a completely different matter.
If this 'heinous act' is something which was performed upon your people, its understandable you might want to aggress upon them - but does not suggest they ought allow such if able to inhibit you.
But a 'heinous act' is one which is not ubiquitous - which the claims against whites on behalf of blacks were, even in the context of blacks themselves.

There are others, however, that engaged in truly heinous acts, and the question of their fate is one which may well be answered with extinction.


Intelligence has comparatively little to do with getting a degree, especially at this time, and especially in a field such as 'educational leadership' (see: advanced babysitting).

See above.

That's not saying anything of import - we got lucky, and probability was likely on our side, as it often is when we get lucky.

Indoctrination - an education system that reinforces a leftist narrative from early age to adulthood, a media system which does the same, and a societal structure which itself is geared toward such beliefs being propagated.
And?
Being a nurse is one of the lowest tiers of medical professions - to be a nurse is basically "advanced babysitting II" with a bit of basic biology tossed in there.

Forgot my vid.

The Normie Must Awaken

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The number of Whites on this planet last year is down from the year before. This is an objective truth found by simple counting.

There is only one objective here and that is the 14 words, because without our race there is nothing we can do too fight back and finally win. Everything else we make for ourselves compares nothing to who we are physically, (((they))) can try with all their might too prevent us but if we truly are the best then (((they))) will make us great and we'll wipe them out as all our enemies of the past, before the Jews.

for the related embedded, the Creed is your race, and the Political system is that of the Realm, an ancient Germanic system which translated too German is Reich, we are only this Realm's builders and while our Tree will die, the only time we can make for ourselves is children that are like us

You probably think people on Holla Forums are far right i bet you even believe NatSoc is far right.
Our racial and nationalist duty to protect our culture and our people shows you know shit about Holla Forums.

is not for ideas that we live, not for theories or fantastic party programs; no, we live and fight for the German Volk, for the preservation of its existence, that it may undertake its own struggle for existence,

This is a quote from Adolf Hitler and represents the views of many of us.


No. Im a Pragmatism rather than objetivism, That why no hyper individualist social theories will not prove me wrong,Im no Christian, so i dont see how christianity a religion that believes in universalism and internationalism could have anything to do with nationalism.

You dont understand how shallow of spirit are the people that reject their sacred duty , passed on generation by generation. To avoid the struggle , to reject their nature. I only pity such people regardless of how much intelligence or cunning act they may display to climb up the social ladder.


No amount of evidence will change the reallity of human behaviour , group thinking, racialism ,tribalism and racialism are positive traits that moulded society trough milleniums.
Proving that homogenous society are functional society and non homogenous society would present the same problems over and over again. You are in the wrong side of the nature vs nurture debate and no amount of hyper individualist non-sense will convince me or other nationalist to destroy their own culture and to go against their ways of their ancestors for your foolish dystopic dreams.

This is why differentiating reality from narrative is so important. the leftist line of thought is literally the only correct method of discerning the world.

However when learning the lie of egalitarianism their version of events and the Rousseau bs is shown as a complete fabrication and in fact predicated on sinister intent.

So to answer the op, the hypothetical is pointless. Being intelligent literally doesn't matter if the tools to discern truth simply aren't present or acknowledged.

Also, other anons are correct in saying this is just relativism.

Truth is unchanging based on the pretentions of humans.

This faggot doesn't really care about the question, he just wants to shit up this board with useless shit - he is researching perfect sliding technique. He should be permabanned.
It's this faggot - 8ch.net/bmw/res/5090.html

No I genuinely did want to see why people hold the beliefs they do.

If you want to know why I made the thread it's because I had to ask myself the same question and came to the conclusion as in the sense of believing in the

RULES OF NATURE

So I figured Holla Forums would have fun going through it too. Instead I was met with "GR8 B8 M8, JESUS MAN, LOL U LIBERAL SHILL"
instead of just having a thread where we discuss why we hold our own views.

Oh well.
I've stopped monitoring now as I've only got a handful of decent replies (and thank you to those who actually did reply without being a memester)

Well frankly I don't care about someone's credentials. All I care about are the arguments.

As for me changing my mind, I'd have to be convinced egalitarianism is true. If they can prove that then all the rest flows from there.

You think any of us came to our view of the world by choice? We were forced here by facts. I'd love if the facts supported a liberal worldview. I'd love if every race acted peaceably and all whites have to do to have a utopia is pay some reparations and say they're sorry. It would be great if we could solve world hunger, poverty, violence and every other problem by gibs and a one world government. Unfortunately, this isn't how the world works.

In any case, what ills does our ethnic nationalist ideal cause? It's not like we're trying to provoke violence, I'd like to avoid it as much as possible.

Cuck detected. Lurk more you fucking faggot.

Oh how cute Chaim

Sage for obvious shill thread, but let me explain how badly you're fucking up here. The left, as a whole, believes that objective morality doesn't exist. It's how they rationalize being apologists for rapists, thieves, and our wonderful African friends that get a kick of of necklacing people and eating each other. The newer generations of leftist even consider objectivity to be false, decrying "racist statistics" and attacking scientists, even nobel prize winners, whose research contradicts their views, without even offering a refutation. If the leftists are 'right', 'right' does not exist.


A graduate degree on useless bullshit does not indicate intelligence. It indicates parents willing to pour two years' salary into a four year vacation for their spoiled kid. A majority of people these days are graduating college. Nobody with a hint of sanity would look at that group and say they're exceptionally smart.

First your leftists intellectuals: if you look at which kind of scientists side with which kind of politics you will find a more obvious correlation. Scientists who work for the industry are overwhelmingly right wing while those who work for government are left wing. In addition in the professions you named (or historians to make the example extremer) yes they are good at regurgitation. This is not intelligence btw. In science I would define intelligence as having the creativity to find something/ do something nobody has ever done before which makes demonstrating intelligence in something like history nearly impossible. Similarly finding something by chance is also not intelligence. Real intelligence is in somebody like Riemann who realized that Euclid was wrong.

As for your hypothetical. There is no absolute right or wrong. Only if we define a central axiom can we say which political system is most correct. I can tell you however that right wing politics is closer to nature than is left wing politics.

I am always open to being wrong on an issue by issue basis.

However the majority of what the left believes is wrong and stupid. In saying that, I support Abortion - mainly because it wipes out niggers.

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made me think of this

MOOOSHE, MOSHE! THESE FILTHY GOYIM ARE TRYING TO STEAL OUR REPARATION SHEKELS! DON'T THEY KNOW ONLY WE FEEL THE PAIN OF OUR GASSED ANCESTORS?

But we're not and it's physically impossible that we're wrong.

A falsifiable hypothesis that meets Karl Poppers standards and can be evaluated via an objective and repeatable experiment.

Shit thread, CTR-fag. Lurk Moar before you post again.

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We are not the opposite of the left though.

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Data mining for a census
Data mining for a census
Data mining for a census

Of course. (((OP))) bails from the thread. Standard. Too many newfags responding to this faggot.

that was fucking amazing, well done and saved

sage
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OP might be a mod tho.

Also,
OP wouldn't suck cocks?
OP would be a heterosexual?

Not really false. Given Russian, Finnish, Balcan attitudes…

Of course, it then follows that UK, France, Germany etc. all act like losers due to the slavery they are in.

As an anti-nihilist, nihilism becomes reality, and truth is ruined. I mean corrected. Ergo, I'm still right, whilst changing my opinion, but not.

Also, every shill would be right.

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Also, friendly reminder that a lot of people from the left tend to go far right nowadays, but you will NEVER see the contrary, and there's a simple reason for that : once you get logical and realistic, you don't go back to lunacy and hypocrisy, even if it was easier.

I hope you are right.

Anyone who kept responding after that has too much time on their hands.

True, but you should check this out:

Its pretty simple man. If I'm right propagating and protecting white people was the right thing to do even at the expense of others.
If I'm wrong were all equal anyway so what do you need niggers and kikes for?

Whilst some of the philosophical approaches that Holla Forums initially had have been overshadowed by (upon realisation) more important factors (and memes); Holla Forums has always been about finding the truth.

That does not mean we are always right, but it does mean we are always trying to be right. We are always trying to find the truth. Of course personal biases crop up, and these lead to raging arguments been fanatical believers of both perspectives, those truly interested in the truth, and shills who just want to create ever more chaos. The end result however is that we keep going until we find the truth. When we cannot find the truth, we just keep going (and this is why certain threads continue to repeat themselves; stuff like Christianity vs Paganism, is X really white, and accusations of just about everyone relevant in history of being a jew-sympathiser (from Charlemagne, to Cromwell, to Napoleon, to Hitler, to Trump). Thus far we do not have a definitive answer for any of these things, and so they will frequently occur as topics of debate. It is often just shilling, but it is effective BECAUSE they are relevant concerns to a lot of people; after-all certain actions of those historical figures have given power or influence to jews, the backgrounds of many nations are somewhat unclear, and faith by its very definition is impossible to prove.

The fact remains however that Holla Forums is committed to the truth. It was our desire to find the truth that had us all disagree with the status quo, and continue to learn more.

There has now come a point where a lot of Holla Forums is less concerned with exactly what is true, and more concerned with survival; because our people and Western Civilisation in general is facing an existential threat. Upon the realisation of that truth; the rest of the truths become significantly less important, because what does it matter if you were right or wrong if you are dead?

That's not to say that Holla Forums does not care about the truth, or try to find the truth still. If you look at GamerGate, Hillary Clinton, Putin, Syria or any of the other 'major' events that Holla Forums has been interested in; there was always a very real attempt at discovering what the truth was, with many people 'digging' for ever more information. It was not just about the narrative we wanted to believe; it was about what was actually happening. Everything Holla Forums believes as a foundation is what they have determined to be the truth through arduous research and the questioning of what was once thought be 'sacred' and unquestionable.

If survival wasn't at stake, you would hear a lot more about our desire for the 'truth'. But survival is at stake, so we are more concerned with surviving.

It would be pretty hard for them to do that because a lot of my beliefs are based on biology and tradition and it would take a evolutionary biologist to explain to me why survival of the fittest is wrong and why the human nature of tribalism/religion/societal hierarchy which is found in every single civilization is wrong. It would also take a top-level economist to explain to me why huge budget deficits and ticking time-bombs of debt aren't things we should avoid.

Generally speaking the left is motivated by morals, that is, what they FEEL is right and just. The right, on the other hand, is motivated by results, what they KNOW is the best course of action for the best outcome. This is why the right wing has a fascination with history and the past, because we want to see what worked in the past and how can we repeat our successes. That's the essence behind traditionalism. Of course, both sides have been manipulated by the juden (Left wing = communist jews) (Right wing = Rothschilds/Israel is our greatest ally etc).

In answer to the question, yes I would be willing to change my beliefs because I wasn't born right-wing, but I changed my beliefs towards the right wing after coming on Holla Forums

But I don't think that will ever happen.

Best go back to Holla Forums with your bro and the rest of your kind op…

Very well put, user.

High quality post user. Well done.

We 4chan now

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What if evolution is false? That's more likely than niggers being human and Jews not being a parasitic race.

If the left was right, then things would be getting better. In fact things wouldn't even be bad, now would they?

Are you stupid?

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Evolution was political to begin with. It's propped up with "science" and bullying.

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Hypothetically speaking: What if we're wrong?

What if, for instance, the right is completely right? Would it matter to you? Would you change your opinion?

If you could be objectively be proven wrong would you concede that you were? Would you stop believing in Marx? Would you cease believing in multiculturalism?

What about the intelligent right? Those who get top marks, the doctors, the nurses and those with soaring grades that are fiercely rightist? How do you deal with those? Are they simply "Good at regurgitating information" as academics seem to be or is that intelligence in itself? How do you deal with these sorts of people?

Let's have a discussion - what would be sufficient evidence for you to change your beliefs?

but the alt right is the left

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Well said. The same rationale that liberals would use to say that their beliefs are correct, can actually be used to say that the right is correct as well. Their whole ideology is self-sabotaging, physically, intellectual, socially and spiritually.

Fuck off Holla Forums lrn2psyops

leftist faggots live in lala land, they're blinded to the reality of the situation, conflict is part of life, to just want everything to be peaceful and letting shitty people live will only make everything passive aggressive and lead to the destruction of the west.

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hello ((fellow)) Holla Forums user

If all races acted like whites but just had different skin tones (like the liberals think, obviously this is not true), then what would be the problem?

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Psst …. user … let me tell you a secret. Our enemies don't actually care about "right or wrong" beyond purposes of social appearance. What's right is power . What's wrong is death. Given that they take a "utterly destroy your opponent first, ask questions latter" approach, the same is needed of us. Being gentlemanly is an option when having a chat with friends, not when survival is at stake. You don't bring a philosophy book to an axe fight. It's what got us into this mess in the first place.


I'll know when I see it. Tough it's a sure bet there's nothing to see .

This. OP is a shill

Years of tradition proved them wrong centuries ago

If Jews weren't so obviously superior to goyim, goyim would have never adopted a foreign religion.

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Also what if we breath methane instead of oxygen and exhale mustard gas instead of CO2?

Americans have the worst health in the entire world despite spending 1/6th of their GDP on medical care. I doubt doctors are the cream of the crop we are led to believe they are. Medical school is just to trick the rich into becoming slaves for the pharma companies. Army medics know as much as many doctors.

I already did change my opinion. When I was a preteen, I beleived all sorts of leftist bullshit. I was incredibly book smart, but was very sheltered and lived in a nice white town. My opinions slowly moved to apathy as I went through teens and adult years. By the time Obama got in I was pretty convinced politics were pointless how edgy. Then I lived in a diverse city. Then as I hung out on Holla Forums more, uncle Holla Forums would stop by and point out coincidences. My book smarts and logic of how things ought to be had bothing on reality.

I already changed my opinion thanks to an opening in politically incorrect language finally telling me what I felt all along: that double standards exist along racial lines, that all the hypocritical choices our politicians make make total sense if you see them as "choices to fuck over whites," and that we have a true enemy that has worked against us for centuries.

A lot of OPs arguements are the classical lefty arguement of
"OKAY LETS SAY THAT HYPOTHETICALLY A SITUATION EXISTED WHERE YOU WERE LESS RIGHT! HYPOTHETICALLY!"
"Okay, then what?"
"WELL THERE YOU HAVE IT! I'M RIGHT! ARGUEMENT DONE."

Shit thread.

Obviously.

I am a physicist. I can not care about things that are not falsifiable, guess it's a professional deformation or whatever.
While I do greatly enjoy hard sciences, I sometimes also cant sleep at night, debating with myself various social and political things as well. What made Rome great? What made it fall? Is Christianity the greatest thing ever, has it saved European peoples and led them to glory, or has it weakened them with its messages of, well, basically being weak is a virtue, being tortured is saintly etc? What are the best values for a society?
Anyway, I dont think I will ever stop reading, learning, and testing things. It's what makes me happy. And so far, lately, my beliefs about humanity became a bit stronger.

I can talk on and on about what I consider an ideal state: a homogeneous, all European ethnic nation state, why it would be the most glorious thing on Earth, how ethnic Europeans are genetically superior, why I find them subjectively and aesthetically so beautiful, how they evolved uniquely and differently from all others thanks to a different evolutionary pressure…

tl;dr ethnic Europeans had to develop better clothing, better tools, better shelters, snares, intellect and cooperation to survive. This made them objectively superior.
Because of cosmic lottery or divine purpose, I inherited their genes. For reasons currently unknown, I will do all that is in my power to preserve them.

A lie.

Well given that I've changed from left to centrist to right about everything but weed and abortion in the last year 'a fuck of a lot' is what it would take.

The intelligent left only need to be exposed to the horror of reality before they become one of us, right now they're living in cloud cuck-land oblivious to what we see every day. It's simply that they are not informed correctly both in content and method, they either get nothing or get fed harsh poison right from the off from someone entrenched in the right and it causes such a kneejerk that it makes them go and fuck a mudnigger just to get the Hitler off them.

They lack pragmatism and a hard nose.

Islam is the key to turning the intelligent left over to our side, only the suicidal and retarded could ever support enhancing their numbers, the gays should automatically be on-side with us as the average mud would see them dead simply for existing, I think most right thinking humans can see what a danger it represents but they're not well boned up on the vagaries of it and how pernicious and outright barbaric it is. Non-feminist women also have no truck with it, older they are the more likely they'll bash it without restraint.

The more they act the cunt the more we gain ground as a counter force and they're not gonna stop being cunts any time soon. If the idiotically shortsighted, capitalism enrichment program that's being foisted on Europe continues by letting any old vermin in they will soon see native reprisal on many many fronts. Thankfully as the horrors rack up normies are starting to understand what it means to be swamped in shit tier 'cultures'.

They do not want, it just takes the right person to say the right thing and they'll not only admit it but rail against it.

Mention Hitler or the gorillions and you get a kneejerk, mention white supremacy and you get the same. Religion is fading regardless of what the Christfag posters want, there's no rallying young people behind that unless they're indoctrinated, you have to be stupid enough to genuinely swallow it and that's impossible once you're able to reason like an intelligent being.

Our race is at least something we naturally keep perpetuated, as humans tend to stick to their own regardless of what outside forces push for but it's a difficult thing to care about if you have no kids or can't envision making one due to: women being cunts, kids being a nightmare, money etc.

Nationalism, while it would be apt as we'd like our countries cleansed of shit, is also undermined and difficult to rally behind because of a succession of cucked/insane/useless/corrupt leaders who've left most of us, left and right, disillusioned with the system to the point where we'd both cheer if it collapsed because it needs so be laid low to be rebuilt.

The Left was right about some things for a very long while but they've tripped badly with Islam and niggers and faggots and trannies, SJWs and cucks, supporting scum to the point where they're boiling over, threatening to ruin decency it's self with imported barbarism.

The Left's voices have become the braying, obnoxious, ill informed ones, that used to be the realm of the ignorant redneck hick. Gradually their eloquence has been lost amid endless, inaccurate cries of 'Bigot!', 'Racist!', 'whatever-phobia' and 'Muh feminism'; they cling to buzz words, hope that the crowd keeps cheering and doesn't think beyond them cos if they do their foundations get wobbly.

Pride in ones' self is the best place to start, you have to care bout yourself to fight for anything larger.

this thread was shit, especially with OP going full retard but this gem here saves it all

READ IT, THEN SAVE IT

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Doctors aren't to blame for shitty diets and lifestyle.

This

The reason so many Americans are fat and sick is because they eat poison, drink swill and never get off the sofa.

Exactly, and this type of environment breeds the best doctors.

Well put. As Galileo said,


For what is measurable is always true.

What if you're a piece of shit? What if we're going to have our revolution and you won't? What if that's because your lefty beliefs are grounded in idiocy and pipe dreams?

Prove it. Where are all the communist countries with a high standard of living? Where are the feminist matriarchy world powers? Name a black country that put dindus on the Moon.

Okay OP, I'll treat facts as if they are not incontrovertible and hypothetically say yes, what if there was a possibility the left was correct versus my worldview?


Yes and yes. As a seeker of truth, I would change my opinion to agree with how reality works.


Yep.


Already have, and yes, if they could demonstrate that in-group bonding, reliance, and identity were illusions and we could simply choose who to get along with.


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Their education in subjects means nothing, in fact, the higher your education, the greater your ability to rationalize incorrect stuff convincingly and believe in pie-in-the-sky utopianism through vigourous mental gymnastics that higher education enables. The fact that there are smart leftists means nothing and parading their existence around is tantamount to an argument from authority; however, the smartest person can believe in wrong things and feel comfortable simply because they have the brainpower to twist around facts to suit their needs.


Intelligence does not equal correctness in fields of politics, opinion, essentially anything that is not empirical.


Point out that no matter how many degrees or accolades they have in fields of thinking, that doesn't make their arguments automatically correct.


An empirical demonstration that facts of existence are actually not facts, or extremely disadvantageous.

We’re not wrong, so your thread is meaningless.

Sage the thread.

Toasting in Challah bread.

No. This is the first discussion between opposing viewpoints on Holla Forums that I have seen in months, maybe even a year. You can't redpill people by ignoring them and not engaging them, and healthy conversation is a boon.

>inb4 you're enabling a slide

Mods pin the juicy stuff anyway. This guy is also engaging in the thread and so is genuinely curious to discuss these ideas. Our conversations also benefit fence-sitting lurkers.

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Passive leftist bitch response.

actually the first one could be applied to us and some of our infographs on race…

We should really have a team of nerds keeping the data up to date.

to get good grades you have to be indoctrinated in the left. Grades mean nothing. 90% of degrees mean nothing.

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What if your aunt had balls? What if I had a model of (pic related) sitting in my garage?

I do not consider my opinion to match Holla Forums like a glove, however as a long-time /news/ then Holla Forums lurker I say the following -

Objectivity means jack shit, change the measuring stick and you get what you want under objective criteria.

I can claim this as a logician/mathematician, it all depends what you call your propositions and as long as it follows basic propositional logic, it will look fine. Hell in mathematics there are often wrong publications, some of them, because of their nuanced mistakes, don't get noticed immediately. In other words, you can and will fool a great majority of people if you please.

The further you are removed from logic (this includes mathematics) the more issues with interpretation arise. Even having a set of axioms, which you consider rational and correct, and then doing strictly logical operations with them can land you with very weird results f.e. Banach-Tarski paradox.

More so you cannot disprove such very human things as nationalism, religion with logic. It just doesn't work like that, they are not logical things i.e. they were not arrived to by logic, they do not operate on logic, and trying to logically reason with them is like using the wrong tool for a job. This doesn't make it illogical, these things, again, are outside of logic, they do not operate on logic. Nationalism works, because thats how humans are - look at the greatest( in the true sense, USSR wasn't great) empires and countries. Its what makes us tick the best.

I saw an article on an internet newspaper that a research paper with N=1?? Americans they proved all men into cuckolding. I am not, most of Holla Forums isn't so what does that make of the research?

In general scientism is a scourge that convinces people that its logics and systems are a panacea for all problems. While actuality its just godless materialistic dialectics, a placebo for the lack of faith in ourselves and the lack of faith in the truly great, eternal things. Many a scientist are socially-inept, culture-less plebs, who couldn't care less about morality, god, art, and society. Some of these autistic, self-righteous degenerates are such careerists they don't bother doing worthwhile research or reviewing past research, as flashy sounding vacuous mental debility will earn them more money and will get published easier.

The scientific method is shit, look up p-hacking or (((Veritasium))) "Is Most Published Research Wrong?"

The left and right exist because they have differing solutions for issues that cant possibly be solved in an objective manner,at least not to the common man.

A massive reason for the ideological divide is the fact that some people are individualistic and some others collectivist.

Thus in their own view, what is objectively better for the individual could bad for the group.
And viceversa

You tell me,what is objectively better?
The survival of one or the survival of all.

Because a lot of lefties thought revolves around the destruction of the group and veneration of the individual.
In their mind that is objectively better,either because they're to selfish or too ideologically zealous.

What I'm getting at is that there is no objectivity in politics,specifically ideology.

It's just different opinions on what humanity should be.

We can't be wrong because the idea of seperating races and not having different races together is a basic human instinct. Humans are tribal and by honouring the way tribalism works, we will continue to survive and prosper because thousands of years ago tribalism allowed humans to survive and prosper(for whites at least).

Sage the thread, retard.

Reported
And our enemies aren't the left its the Jews, we don't like Jewish puppets whether the useful Marxist idiots on the left of Zionist flunkies on the right.

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Post the truths you got hiding from us, m8. Don't be shy :^)

Your kind never fails getting BTFO here.

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Holla Forums is correct on many many things but no one is 100% correct. Even if we're wrong in some things we're correct on enough things to actually have a positive impact.


Define left. Most of left is funded to fuel the interest of globalists such as Soros who are hated as "dirty capitalists" by the left.

So the old marxist proletariat left is DEAD.
New left is wrong because it isn't even left. It's a subversion illusion created by globalists.

Too vague questions. Define what type of left and how much being wrong, since no one is 100% right or wrong.

it's the other way around

dubito ergo cogito ergo sum
I doubt, therefore I think, therefore I exist

it has caused me much pain over the years recognizing and correcting my own cognitive dissonances.

money is evil, and I'll prove it.
we are stronger in together than appart. the family unit functions perfectly well without using currency within the family unity by division of labor. the (((merchant))) meme of valuation of our labor creates division and animosity. why is one hour of labor from one individual worth more than another? if you need to build a wall an hour of a bricklayer's time is worth more than an hour of a surgeon's. an hour of my time, an hour out of my precious irreplaceable allotment is worth exactly as much to me as an hour of your time is to you. the (((merchant))) meme and the acceptance of greed as a virtue is the anti-thesis of nationalism.

we hate (((them))) because of their greed and lack of empathy. our generosity and empathy is what made us strong and it will do so again once we name (((them))) and the evils of (((money)))

You can't if factual reality, kike.

Leftism is dogma, they don't believe in evolution or genetics.

Only the original fashy goy guy can make those comics.

Stop trying, literally no one will read your wall of text.

Nationalism is logical

I am interested in protecting my genetic lineage. my lineage goes Me > My family > my extended family > My county > My state > My country/ethnic group > My racial group > My species

It's logical to be nationalistic because my goal is to pass on my genes and my memes. A black man shares less genes with me than a white guy does so it is logical for me to be pro white.

Money is not evil it is a tool. It allows you to translate 1 object into another without needing to use a direct trade.

If I am an alchemist I cannot turn lead into goal. There is no path for me to do this.
If I trade my lead with someone for money I can then trade this money for gold.
I have turned lead into gold through the use of the tool "money".

As such money cannot be evil. It is a tool that can be used or abused as any other tool can.

The vast majority of white people never participated in slavery. My ancestors weren't even in America when slavery was legal, they were all still in Europe being underclass mud farmers. The people of some of my ancestors, in Sicily, were subjected to the threat of the Islamic slave trade for centuries.

Even if black people suffered at the hands of some white people and epigenetics means they now all suffer, epigenetics DOES NOT transfer moral guilt to all white people.

Friendly tip, that is WAY too long. You need to make it short and easy to read, otherwise it won't be read.

I've been a lefty for several years.
I've read everything, debated everything, know everything there is to know.
The bottom line is, most left wing ideals do not translate to the real world in the way the theory says, but lead to very different results.
Moreover, you will see that the left's real goal behind all those smokescreens of giving to the people is just being in charge - creating an elite that rules an enslaved population, which in turns gets scraps/handouts to shut up. They recruit middle and upper class entirely through guilt, the low class through handouts and pats on their head, the high class through corruption.

What works (but only in some countries) is state-run stuff.
For example in Italy we have a ton of state-run things (water, electricity, healthcare, transportation, etc) and they work much better than private alternatives, but that is because Mussolini implemented then with a nationalist mindset, which means law-abiding, disciplined citizen of the nation get to use those systems, leeches don't.
In America every attempt to left econ policies ended up being handouts to the lowest scum of the nation.

What doesn't work is pretty much every single social ideology, especially oppression politics.
The left's ethos on IDpol enlarged the division between demographics to a point of almost no return.
It's so divided today that you have a divide even among things that don't exist, such as "cis" people vs "non-binary" people.
'Gender' was invented by a pedophile who wanted to replace biological sex with a socially construed notion, which was a great success in America, to the point even most Holla Forumsacks who consider themselves unbrainwashed happily use the word thus contributing to the war on biological sex.

Also, "intelligent left" means nothing. I have a degree and PhD, I get 8k/mo, and I've grown out of leftism (except for the eco part that works here). But I was a leftist before.
Political allegiance has nothing to do with intelligence in the information age, it has all to do with how things are conveyed.
Intelligent people tend to get involved with the left because:

1. The right has a terrible communication problem, in that they are not capable of conveying information properly; they rely on fear to get their message out, while the left relies on cheesy but somewhat-convincing deception. Also because the right is divided between what can be summed up with "cuckservatives" and actual right wingers.
This of course is also because Jews are doing all they can do flag anyone to the right of a cuck as an evil monster.

2. A LOT of information that would immediately turn an intelligent person away from the left is hidden. This means you have to do a lot of digging and usually intelligent people are too busy doing whatever is their passion (engineering, medicine, etc) and consider investigating politics to be a waste of time.

3. The shame factor. Intelligent people are all narcissist because we are factually better than everyone else, but the left uses this against us: the moment you turn away, they haunt you with the threat of losing your prestige. Intelligent people love good PR because we want to be recognized as superior, therefore we'd hate being considered an evil boogieman.
So there is that: an intelligent person will almost never publicly denounce the left if it's seen as a status-lowering thing in their circles, but the moment we build a right wing circle we start telling it like it is.

4. Right wingers. Most of them are flamboyantly retarded, i.e. they spout pants-on-head stupid stuff that is easily debunked, and to make things worse they don't like intelligent people very much, because we spend our days correcting them.
There are a lot of great minds in the right but they aren't united, so you have to dig for them.

Government based programs are always failures given enough time. They don't have to respond to market forces so they don't have to be careful with budgets. They can always just ask for a tax hike and since everyone becomes dependent on them no politician can let them fail without losing his head so it becomes a money sponge.

Gender and sex wasn't divided by pedos, it was divided by post modernists.

The intellectual left means something. The left wing university staff is the intellectual left. They are the ones who come up with the course material for gender studies classes. It doesn't magically appear.

The right has a reality problem. It's much easier to get people to accept pretty lies than hard truths. I can say "everyone is equal" and it sounds great, where as if I say "races are different" I'm expected to prove it through scientific evidence no one cares about.

The dumb right is no less retarded than the dumb left, it's just the society we live in makes the right stand out more.

Just in case you arent starting a bait thread and there are some anons who are having self doubts, ill answer. Also, I think its healthy to at least have questioned your beliefs and not locked in dogma.

My grandfather once told me how to find what i truly believe. Its what you are comfortable believing, consequences be damned, even if you are wrong.

So, if the (((left))) are correct and we are wrong


We are movie villians

However, if we are right and they are wrong it means that

which is what appears to be happening today

sage

been a leftist before.

so im knowing this shit.

and no, they arent right. theyre wrong about many things - not all. but these exceed the things that the alt-right is wrong on significally.

Sage

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