What stops atheists killing everything or themselves since their emotions and morals don't actually matter if they...

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Why would I do that?

look whose talking
secular morality is better

Empathy > religious morality

Do bad thing->Be in pain for eternity
There.

If I weren't religious I might, but it's more likely I'd just down a bunch of pills, religion is the only thing stopping me.

Not everybody have empathy. Remember that. And remember. Without religious morals humans are only a scum that don't deserve to live.

every time you tip your fedora, a country loses sight of the sun.

still not answering the initial question. if you won't answer, just tell me so i can stop wasting my time with this petty shit.

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If everyone dies in the end and it's as if they had never lived what does empathy mean anyway?

Hahaha, there is no such thing as secular morality, especialy if you support degeneracy and abortion.

You seem to think that life must have a purpose, so that's for you to answer. For me, the closest thing to a "purpose" of life would be to advance as a species. And empathy helps with that.

Say you believe something just because it's written in an old book should be considered bait.

prove the existence of eternal torture

all social species have empathy

social instincts, empathy and reason. What stops u?

denied, sit down

I'm a Deist. Dumbass.

Because the consequences are all in the "moment". For example, if you do something illegal/wrong you'll be thrown in jail or get killed somehow. Thus either wasting their time (in what they think) is the only time they have on earth, or dying and perishing completely. I do however think that most athiests lack any moral character whatsoever. For example, if they kill someone and can get away with it, they wont feel bad about it. But this "argument" isn't helping at all.
I'm tired and going to sleep in a moment.

Nothing stops them from killing. They believe they are perfect & can do no wrong. But usually atheists don't have a moral compass. They ignore news of atheists burning down churches or killing Christians. They also ignore news of an atheist raping & murdering a woman. Yet they'll hypocritically point out the bible containing stories of rape & murder, falsely accusing God of condoning these actions.

They often blame religion of starting wars, but the truth is that it took a scientists to build these weapons in the first place. The majority of scientists are atheists who believe in the Big Bang Theory & Evolution.

Atheists had displayed anger & hate.
Atheists are capable of murder & rape.
Atheists are hypocrites & liars.
Atheists are usually SJW's & Feminazis.

preddy simbl, God stobs me.

you're that commiefag aren't you? you sack of shit

why would he?

or rather how does he manages to?

Non sequitar. And no, I am not a communist retard.

I have a neighbor who once drunkenly admitted that hes really gay for his wife's son and that only god stops him from raping him.
Religion isn't such a retarded thing, it keeps dumbfucks somewhat in line, since many people arent fit to think for themselves.

athiests are not nihilists. Nihilists believe everything is meaningless including the act of murder so they essentially do nothing and live in a sort of stasis.

there r parents, who were really gay towards chemotherapy for leukaemia and they took their pre-teen daughter off of it all thx to god. Guess what happened to the kid.

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he didnt

God's real because wishful thinking.

That's only because half of them don't actually think enough about what they believe.
Absurdism is the natural conclusion of atheism, there's no way around it.

can u be any more ridiculous?

Why do you assume the source of existence has opinions and compassion and a personality?

what stops a muslim from killing themselves if that's what their god tells them to do?

Nothing. They kill themselfs.

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Hedonism

looks like the delusional fucks have fucked off. Couldnt handle the truth, clearly

It doesn't reflect well on you as a person if fear of divine punishment is the only thing stopping you from being a murderer.

Atheism is the death of civilization. Im an atheist myself and see it right in front of my eyes.

Atheists often describe religious people as dumb submissive sheep who do seemingly useless and idiotic things. They measure them by the statistical probability of their gods "actually existing". What they overlook is the fabric of the human mind, an overarching drive for purpose and order in the universe. Imagine Asexuals talking about normal humans. They would point out how strange and deranged their lust is. That they waste hours, days, years with romance and sex. It's just skin rubbing against itself, what is so important or amazing about it? Why do you want to create more kids who do nothing but the same useless, idiotic things you do right now?

To understand why Religion holds civilization together is to understand that from a rational point of view, all life is meaningless. We will inevitable degenerate into hedonism, and further down the line, total entropy under Atheism.

In other words, stupid atheists are nothing but animals.

Any strong ideology can hold civilization together the way religion can.

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Value-positing nihilism, for example, is the answer to your entire stupid question.

Well as far I as I can see it's human nature to

which brings about having a stable/safe and sheltered life and whatnot which would be stopped if you kill because it's illegal to murder
which would be stopped if you kill because it's illegal to murder

But even if there were no laws the killer murdering atheist would be lynched by people

That might be true, but it is a hypothesis right now. It requires a really strong ideology, and even National Socialism had spiritual branches to replace Christianity.

There is a greater number of subhumans festering on the worlds scarce resources than ever before. Birth rates of all formerly great civilizations are rapidly declining, while birth rates of the worlds shitholes surge. The roles of man and woman are being destroyed. Homosexuality is being normalized in schools. Loyalty to country, flag and people has degraded heavily in western countries. People have grown accustomed to heavy 24/7 propaganda, and are too lazy to change their consumerist lifestyle even if they are aware of it. They have accepted massive surveillance. They are ripe for a totalitarian regime that enslaves them and couldn't do shit to stop it.

If you measure the health of mankind by the technical advancements of iPhones, kill yourself.

It's not about atheists being wrong, it's simply a matter of perspective. In my example, the Asexuals aren't wrong either, everything they say is objectively true.

Not if they killed themselves first

if u measure the health of mankind with whatever u dont like, kill yourself

That post is summer incarnate, just leave you fucking faggot.

try harder, u faggot.
Your mothers a bitch and fathers a fag

Holy shit go back to whatever shithole you came from

Actual morality. They actually feel good from helping, or feel bad when they see others in pain, unlike theists who only do things because of fear of punishment or promise of reward.

Or you could argue that atheists can still have a fear of punishment or promise of reward in the sense of trying to help the entire species with actions that would benefit said species. I'd still argue this is better than just doing things out of a more simple carrot/stick scenario.

go praise trump for saying hes penthouse is airtight and spraying hairspray in there wont affect ozone layer degradation

his*

have you been b& on Holla Forums, tard?
go away with your stupid doctrines
let hitler's mustache scratch your shaft in private
you're furniture here, not the doorman

And your oh so high altruism is directed by what? The pain your brain subjects you to when you see someone suffering? The fear that you will be judged as a bad person? This is better how?

its better, cuz its based on reality

Even if one doesn't believe in eternal punishment, prison is a pretty big deterrent for any who might consider murder. So there's a simple answer that doesn't involve morality that others have posted.

I don't know if you are a troll or actually retarded

In any case, go see a specialist just in case

religion is not there because it is useful, it is there because it is either the truth or a scam.

Atheist moral system below:

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In fact "you" is a convenient abstraction for a colony of cells.

So what are you supposed to do? keep being what is defined as the thing that keeps being.

That's what you do, when you do good, and when you do bad. Good is defined what helps life in a long term/great number of brothers, bad is absolutely not the opposite of good, it is merely helping life in short term/egocentric perspective. That is, getting unfair advantage over others. Clearly understood by the biblical authors, the goat herders who define evil as obscurity, captivity, clearly misunderstood by a lot of other religions and Christian gnosticism.

So, believer can follow the word and example of Jesus, atheist can ask himself "am I helping myself and humanity in the longest term?" and act accordingly.

Also, there is one little thing, the abstraction called MEANING. When you do good or bad, the meaning of what you do is eternal. Eternal does not mean for a long time, it means beyond time. There is no arrow of time in meaning. All you need for meaning to keep existing is an observer. You are an observer. And for what concerns you, the universe begins and ends with you. And your actions have a meaning that lasts as long as the universe. If there is a god, what changes? The transcendent god is the observer, if he is just he compensates for the inherent injustice of the world. In his domain, time does not obviously exist (unless you believe in a religion where the superior arrow of time binds god, which makes you incredibly unatheist), so the judgment is eternal. Luke 16 talks about damnation after death, but the final judgment, the lake of fire, a new heaven and a new earth and, most of all, the new relation between god and creature are not compatible with eternity=infinite amount of time definition.

I only scratched the surface, my suggestion is to start thinking for yourself instead of following shit tier philosophers of today. If anything look up stuff written before the industrial revolution. People had clearer minds.

so what? why should how you feel in the afterlife be described as having meaning, if emotions while you're alive are "meaningless"?

if one is important then so is the other

We r not colonial organisms. Our cells dont form colonies, they form tissues

4chan fag here can someone post this

("watch out nigga i got banned for posting that patreon exclusive shit")

in this thread please

boards.4chan.org/pol/thread/133008397#p133012367

Because unlike emotions in life, they will never end

If your religion is the only thing keeping you from going out killing and raping people, then please, keep your religion.
The rest of us can actually think for ourselves. One of the main reasons why we (or at least I ) follow moral is because its beneficial to us and society. If we were just going around causing chaos all the time because we wouldn't really get along. We recognize the fact that corporation maintains a society. You don't need a God to tell you to get along.

Also, you don't have to wait until the end of your life to feel the consequences of your action.

so what?

if emotions have no meaning then it doesn't matter whether they last forever or not

95% has nothing to due with atheism. The only thing I can see as a argument is homosexuallity, and nobody really gives a fuck about that.

How? The most of the greatest scientific advances come because of war.

Yeah, i don't think it has much to do with Atheism either, that was just a response to the summerfag saying all is well while he briefly emerged from his Reddit-Discord-Facebook echochamber. Im saying that the current generations are still heavily influenced by values that originate in religions and traditions that branched off of them. The more people actively destroy those, the less sane things will become. I promise you, if you think SJW culture is bad right now, wait for the purebred, freshly raised kids with full on SJW propaganda in their academia from start to finish.

Morality exists because you feel good about your actions? You don't see a problem with this view point?

Well, by that logic killing yourself wouldn't really matter either. So you might as well live out to the fullest scene it's going to end all the same.

i didnt say everything is well, u cumguzzling, cocksucking, retarded nigger jew. I said everything is better, than it ever was, atheists r growing in numbers and so it clearly shows its better to be less religious

War was the motivation but it doesn't have to be. Look at what Bill Gates is doing with water: gatesnotes.com/Development/Omniprocessor-From-Poop-to-Potable

Obviously, this would be useful in war when resources are scarce. But it's not being funded for or by the military industrial complex.

I don't think you have to be a theist to believe in the afterlife. Some atheists also believe that your consciousness exists in some way long after physical death, just not in a supreme being.

Good point

Some, because most are dumb shit

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this stupid question has been explored and explained countless times
kys

Absolute peurile bullshit. This old argument is tired and lame. Look up 'value-positing nihilism' for example.

Doing bad things (as taught to me by society, my personal upbringing, and basic human nature, in that order) makes me feel bad. Whether this is the result of chemicals in my mind or the will of a higher being, i don't like to feel bad, so i don't do bad things.

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Without God there is no real way to condemn anybody who does bad things, fuck off.

please tell everyone the conclusion reached in previous discussions

You could have at least made an argument OP. This is a very well known and commonly used argument too, shame on you for not picking a formalization

P1 if God does not exist, objective moral values do not exist
P2 objective moral values exist
Conclusion - God exists

I haven't defined God, objective, or morals but that will have bearing on the probability of the premises.

if we put it in a premised form we can multiply our certainty in each premise to get our certainty of the conclusion. For example if I'm 75% certain that 1 is true and 60% certain 2 is true then I'm not less than 45% certain that God exists based solely on this argument.

Furthermore it makes discussion much easier. If someone denies the conclusion they can do so by rejecting one of the premises, rather than by engaging in image-board level esoteric rambling.

If they're anything like me, they've merely come to accept the absurdity of it all, and fill their empty, aimless existences with hedonistic pursuits - in whatever form that might take. In this capacity, no 'higher purpose' or 'meaning' is required.

Any fedora-tipper who hasn't accepted at least some brand of nihilism is either, A: new - B: mentally inept 'or, C: kidding themselves.

If reward and punishment are the only things stopping you from doing something, are you really a good person?

I guess.

Does it matter?

because I like to cum

define "good person"

there's no atheist, just ppl mad at God

If people really understood the healing power that Baugette Pam Pom can bring, then they would have faith.

I hate pedophiles

Then why you are here ?