What stops atheists killing everything or themselves since their emotions and...

Christian Sanchez
Christian Sanchez

What stops atheists killing everything or themselves since their emotions and morals don't actually matter if they don't believe they will ever be held to account for their actions?

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Ryan Stewart
Ryan Stewart

why do you think that an atheist's emotions or morals don't actually matter?

there are more to emotions and morals than the threat of being punished in an afterlife

Evan King
Evan King

why do you think that an atheist's emotions or morals don't actually matter?
Because if there is no God then they are ultimately meaningless chemical reactions in your head.

Nathaniel Adams
Nathaniel Adams

the existence of god doesn't change that

you can describe emotions and morals as meaningless whether there is a god or not

Owen Reed
Owen Reed

we r clearly better ppl, than u, if we can figure it out on our own and dont need to be told to do that under the punishment of eternal torture

Noah Miller
Noah Miller

the fact we aren't pathetic christcucks desperate to be the number 1 snowflake in the world. Oh noes my lack of meaning!!

wew lad you sure make faith sound like a mental illness with your complete lack of a sense of self.

Matthew Lopez
Matthew Lopez

None of these explain why you think your morals and emotions mean anything.

If you believe in a God you have a set of morals you will be held accountable for.

Josiah Stewart
Josiah Stewart

i dont see u explaining your morality basis either

Aiden Hughes
Aiden Hughes

nice non-answer you got there

Eli Cooper
Eli Cooper

So your saying that if you didn't believe in fairy tales you would just go around killing people?

Christopher Richardson
Christopher Richardson

<worshipping a magic sky fairy and his jewish son on a stick

Eli Richardson
Eli Richardson

Why would I do that?

Samuel Price
Samuel Price

look whose talking
secular morality is better

Joshua Robinson
Joshua Robinson

Empathy > religious morality

Joseph Sanders
Joseph Sanders

Do bad thing->Be in pain for eternity
There.

If I weren't religious I might, but it's more likely I'd just down a bunch of pills, religion is the only thing stopping me.

Liam Stewart
Liam Stewart

Not everybody have empathy. Remember that. And remember. Without religious morals humans are only a scum that don't deserve to live.

Tyler Gutierrez
Tyler Gutierrez

every time you tip your fedora, a country loses sight of the sun.
still not answering the initial question. if you won't answer, just tell me so i can stop wasting my time with this petty shit.

Matthew Richardson
Matthew Richardson

If everyone dies in the end and it's as if they had never lived what does empathy mean anyway?

Kevin Perez
Kevin Perez

Hahaha, there is no such thing as secular morality, especialy if you support degeneracy and abortion.

Kevin Fisher
Kevin Fisher

You seem to think that life must have a purpose, so that's for you to answer. For me, the closest thing to a "purpose" of life would be to advance as a species. And empathy helps with that.

Jaxson Walker
Jaxson Walker

Say you believe something just because it's written in an old book should be considered bait.

Nathaniel Walker
Nathaniel Walker

prove the existence of eternal torture
all social species have empathy
social instincts, empathy and reason. What stops u?
degeneracy is whatever i dont like
that and abortion somehow disproves the source of morality
denied, sit down

Alexander King
Alexander King

I'm a Deist. Dumbass.

Luis Murphy
Luis Murphy

Because the consequences are all in the "moment". For example, if you do something illegal/wrong you'll be thrown in jail or get killed somehow. Thus either wasting their time (in what they think) is the only time they have on earth, or dying and perishing completely. I do however think that most athiests lack any moral character whatsoever. For example, if they kill someone and can get away with it, they wont feel bad about it. But this "argument" isn't helping at all.
inb4 explain why you think they lack morals
I'm tired and going to sleep in a moment.

Adam Ramirez
Adam Ramirez

Nothing stops them from killing. They believe they are perfect & can do no wrong. But usually atheists don't have a moral compass. They ignore news of atheists burning down churches or killing Christians. They also ignore news of an atheist raping & murdering a woman. Yet they'll hypocritically point out the bible containing stories of rape & murder, falsely accusing God of condoning these actions.

They often blame religion of starting wars, but the truth is that it took a scientists to build these weapons in the first place. The majority of scientists are atheists who believe in the Big Bang Theory & Evolution.

Atheists had displayed anger & hate.
Atheists are capable of murder & rape.
Atheists are hypocrites & liars.
Atheists are usually SJW's & Feminazis.

Parker Kelly
Parker Kelly

preddy simbl, God stobs me.
you're that commiefag aren't you? you sack of shit

Mason Watson
Mason Watson

why would he?

Sebastian Fisher
Sebastian Fisher

or rather how does he manages to?

Henry Brooks
Henry Brooks

you're that commiefag
Non sequitar. And no, I am not a communist retard.

Dylan Baker
Dylan Baker

I have a neighbor who once drunkenly admitted that hes really gay for his wife's son and that only god stops him from raping him.
Religion isn't such a retarded thing, it keeps dumbfucks somewhat in line, since many people arent fit to think for themselves.

Jacob Walker
Jacob Walker

athiests are not nihilists. Nihilists believe everything is meaningless including the act of murder so they essentially do nothing and live in a sort of stasis.

Nolan Roberts
Nolan Roberts

there r parents, who were really gay towards chemotherapy for leukaemia and they took their pre-teen daughter off of it all thx to god. Guess what happened to the kid.

Jason Lopez
Jason Lopez

implying you didn't just describe an athiest

Levi James
Levi James

he didnt

Jace Hughes
Jace Hughes

God's real because wishful thinking.

Chase Ward
Chase Ward

athiests are not nihilists
That's only because half of them don't actually think enough about what they believe.
Absurdism is the natural conclusion of atheism, there's no way around it.

Aaron Bell
Aaron Bell

can u be any more ridiculous?

Wyatt Adams
Wyatt Adams

Why do you assume the source of existence has opinions and compassion and a personality?

Brayden Reed
Brayden Reed

what stops a muslim from killing themselves if that's what their god tells them to do?

Camden Allen
Camden Allen

Nothing. They kill themselfs.

Grayson Anderson
Grayson Anderson

themselfs

Charles Sanders
Charles Sanders

their emotions and morals don't actually matter
<morals
They come from the society that you developed in, and not from a God, as previously assumed. You may even be able to argue that human beings have a natural tendency to develop their own personal set of morals, as a result of our capacity for greater thought about their meaningful interactions with reality.
<emotions
Nobody's emotions matter, nobody gives a shit what you feel, unless they have a personal relationship with you, and even then they only act like they really care because they want you to reciprocate those feelings for them in their time of need.
what stops atheists from killing themselves or everything
<themselves
Personal responsibility, a natural sense of self preservation, guilt, etc. I imagine that Creationists are the same way
<everything else
Personal responsibility, the threat of incarceration, a general aversion to violence, etc.
I imagine that Creationists are the same way

Parker Russell
Parker Russell

Hedonism

Gabriel Ross
Gabriel Ross

looks like the delusional fucks have fucked off. Couldnt handle the truth, clearly

Isaac Taylor
Isaac Taylor

It doesn't reflect well on you as a person if fear of divine punishment is the only thing stopping you from being a murderer.

Zachary Hughes
Zachary Hughes

Atheism is the death of civilization. Im an atheist myself and see it right in front of my eyes.

Atheists often describe religious people as dumb submissive sheep who do seemingly useless and idiotic things. They measure them by the statistical probability of their gods "actually existing". What they overlook is the fabric of the human mind, an overarching drive for purpose and order in the universe. Imagine Asexuals talking about normal humans. They would point out how strange and deranged their lust is. That they waste hours, days, years with romance and sex. It's just skin rubbing against itself, what is so important or amazing about it? Why do you want to create more kids who do nothing but the same useless, idiotic things you do right now?

To understand why Religion holds civilization together is to understand that from a rational point of view, all life is meaningless. We will inevitable degenerate into hedonism, and further down the line, total entropy under Atheism.

James Scott
James Scott

In other words, stupid atheists are nothing but animals.

Oliver Adams
Oliver Adams

Any strong ideology can hold civilization together the way religion can.

Jace Jenkins
Jace Jenkins

comparing mental disorder to scepticism
implying religion is the only source of meaning to individuals life
delusion is more important, than reality
death of civilisation, as evident by everything is better, than ever before, aside from climate and rise in number of atheists

Zachary Gomez
Zachary Gomez

muh organized religion
muh need for community and direction
<yet somehow atheists are wrong to conclude that theists are dumb and submissive sheep

Easton Martinez
Easton Martinez

religious ppl r not animals

Kayden Nelson
Kayden Nelson

Value-positing nihilism, for example, is the answer to your entire stupid question.

Noah Mitchell
Noah Mitchell

Well as far I as I can see it's human nature to

1: wan sum fuk to continue our species
which brings about having a stable/safe and sheltered life and whatnot which would be stopped if you kill because it's illegal to murder
2: living a hedonistic life enjoying the things that give you enjoyment
which would be stopped if you kill because it's illegal to murder

But even if there were no laws the killer murdering atheist would be lynched by people

Gabriel Sanchez
Gabriel Sanchez

That might be true, but it is a hypothesis right now. It requires a really strong ideology, and even National Socialism had spiritual branches to replace Christianity.

death of civilisation, as evident by everything is better, than ever before
There is a greater number of subhumans festering on the worlds scarce resources than ever before. Birth rates of all formerly great civilizations are rapidly declining, while birth rates of the worlds shitholes surge. The roles of man and woman are being destroyed. Homosexuality is being normalized in schools. Loyalty to country, flag and people has degraded heavily in western countries. People have grown accustomed to heavy 24/7 propaganda, and are too lazy to change their consumerist lifestyle even if they are aware of it. They have accepted massive surveillance. They are ripe for a totalitarian regime that enslaves them and couldn't do shit to stop it.

If you measure the health of mankind by the technical advancements of iPhones, kill yourself.

It's not about atheists being wrong, it's simply a matter of perspective. In my example, the Asexuals aren't wrong either, everything they say is objectively true.

Gabriel Allen
Gabriel Allen

But even if there were no laws the killer murdering atheist would be lynched by people
Not if they killed themselves first

Christopher Ward
Christopher Ward

degeneracy is all the things i dont like
homosexuality being not discriminated against is evil
every1 being able to eat is evil
working or taking care of the house regardless of sex is evil
keeping anything due to tradition is good
having access to the entire earth is bad - u r only allowed to live in your backyard
totalitarian regime in 1st world countries
grown accustomed to propaganda, meaning what? Ignoring it, due to it being everpresent?
what propaganda? That theres no reason to discriminate homos?
if u measure the health of mankind with whatever u dont like, kill yourself

Thomas Bailey
Thomas Bailey

That post is summer incarnate, just leave you fucking faggot.

Lincoln Rodriguez
Lincoln Rodriguez

try harder, u faggot.
Your mothers a bitch and fathers a fag

Adrian Brooks
Adrian Brooks

every1
u
feminism is totally cool guys
Holy shit go back to whatever shithole you came from

Ryan Hernandez
Ryan Hernandez

Actual morality. They actually feel good from helping, or feel bad when they see others in pain, unlike theists who only do things because of fear of punishment or promise of reward.

Or you could argue that atheists can still have a fear of punishment or promise of reward in the sense of trying to help the entire species with actions that would benefit said species. I'd still argue this is better than just doing things out of a more simple carrot/stick scenario.

Oliver Cook
Oliver Cook

feminism
go praise trump for saying hes penthouse is airtight and spraying hairspray in there wont affect ozone layer degradation

Henry Campbell
Henry Campbell

his*

Gabriel Nguyen
Gabriel Nguyen

have you been b& on /pol/, tard?
go away with your stupid doctrines
let hitler's mustache scratch your shaft in private
you're furniture here, not the doorman

Liam Harris
Liam Harris

And your oh so high altruism is directed by what? The pain your brain subjects you to when you see someone suffering? The fear that you will be judged as a bad person? This is better how?

Carson Thomas
Carson Thomas

its better, cuz its based on reality

Nathaniel Butler
Nathaniel Butler

Even if one doesn't believe in eternal punishment, prison is a pretty big deterrent for any who might consider murder. So there's a simple answer that doesn't involve morality that others have posted.

Carter Ortiz
Carter Ortiz

I don't know if you are a troll or actually retarded

In any case, go see a specialist just in case

Carson Morales
Carson Morales

religion is not there because it is useful, it is there because it is either the truth or a scam.

Atheist moral system below:

stable thing lasts, unstable thing doesn't
thing increasing in dimensions lasts more than stable thing ("grow")
growable thing able to withstand fragmentation lasts even more ("multiply")
adaptable thing lasts even more ("populate the earth", see genesis)

therefore

life is a way matter self organizes though time.

and

"we are all brothers" (see matthew) as it is quite improbable that irreducible complexity is overcome most often than simple life units get to multiply

In fact "you" is a convenient abstraction for a colony of cells.

So what are you supposed to do? keep being what is defined as the thing that keeps being.

That's what you do, when you do good, and when you do bad. Good is defined what helps life in a long term/great number of brothers, bad is absolutely not the opposite of good, it is merely helping life in short term/egocentric perspective. That is, getting unfair advantage over others. Clearly understood by the biblical authors, the goat herders who define evil as obscurity, captivity, clearly misunderstood by a lot of other religions and Christian gnosticism.

So, believer can follow the word and example of Jesus, atheist can ask himself "am I helping myself and humanity in the longest term?" and act accordingly.

Also, there is one little thing, the abstraction called MEANING. When you do good or bad, the meaning of what you do is eternal. Eternal does not mean for a long time, it means beyond time. There is no arrow of time in meaning. All you need for meaning to keep existing is an observer. You are an observer. And for what concerns you, the universe begins and ends with you. And your actions have a meaning that lasts as long as the universe. If there is a god, what changes? The transcendent god is the observer, if he is just he compensates for the inherent injustice of the world. In his domain, time does not obviously exist (unless you believe in a religion where the superior arrow of time binds god, which makes you incredibly unatheist), so the judgment is eternal. Luke 16 talks about damnation after death, but the final judgment, the lake of fire, a new heaven and a new earth and, most of all, the new relation between god and creature are not compatible with eternity=infinite amount of time definition.

I only scratched the surface, my suggestion is to start thinking for yourself instead of following shit tier philosophers of today. If anything look up stuff written before the industrial revolution. People had clearer minds.

Joseph Sanchez
Joseph Sanchez

If you believe in a God you have a set of morals you will be held accountable for.
so what? why should how you feel in the afterlife be described as having meaning, if emotions while you're alive are "meaningless"?

if one is important then so is the other

Nolan Harris
Nolan Harris

We r not colonial organisms. Our cells dont form colonies, they form tissues

Elijah Butler
Elijah Butler

4chan fag here can someone post this

("watch out nigga i got banned for posting that patreon exclusive shit")

in this thread please

boards.4chan.org/pol/thread/133008397#p133012367

Evan Jackson
Evan Jackson

if emotions while you're alive are "meaningless"?
Because unlike emotions in life, they will never end

Elijah Robinson
Elijah Robinson

But without God how can people be moral.

If your religion is the only thing keeping you from going out killing and raping people, then please, keep your religion.
The rest of us can actually think for ourselves. One of the main reasons why we (or at least I ) follow moral is because its beneficial to us and society. If we were just going around causing chaos all the time because we wouldn't really get along. We recognize the fact that corporation maintains a society. You don't need a God to tell you to get along.

Also, you don't have to wait until the end of your life to feel the consequences of your action.

Hudson Jenkins
Hudson Jenkins

so what?

if emotions have no meaning then it doesn't matter whether they last forever or not

Luke Nguyen
Luke Nguyen

There is a greater number of subhumans festering on the worlds scarce resources than ever before. Birth rates of all formerly great civilizations are rapidly declining, while birth rates of the worlds shitholes surge. The roles of man and woman are being destroyed. Homosexuality is being normalized in schools. Loyalty to country, flag and people has degraded heavily in western countries. People have grown accustomed to heavy 24/7 propaganda, and are too lazy to change their consumerist lifestyle even if they are aware of it. They have accepted massive surveillance. They are ripe for a totalitarian regime that enslaves them and couldn't do shit to stop it.

95% has nothing to due with atheism. The only thing I can see as a argument is homosexuallity, and nobody really gives a fuck about that.

Adrian Adams
Adrian Adams

How? The most of the greatest scientific advances come because of war.

Cooper Jones
Cooper Jones

Yeah, i don't think it has much to do with Atheism either, that was just a response to the summerfag saying all is well while he briefly emerged from his Reddit-Discord-Facebook echochamber. Im saying that the current generations are still heavily influenced by values that originate in religions and traditions that branched off of them. The more people actively destroy those, the less sane things will become. I promise you, if you think SJW culture is bad right now, wait for the purebred, freshly raised kids with full on SJW propaganda in their academia from start to finish.

Jeremiah Williams
Jeremiah Williams

Morality exists because you feel good about your actions? You don't see a problem with this view point?

Joshua Long
Joshua Long

What stops atheists killing everything or themselves since their emotions and morals don't actually matter if they don't believe they will ever be held to account for their actions?

Well, by that logic killing yourself wouldn't really matter either. So you might as well live out to the fullest scene it's going to end all the same.

Josiah Hernandez
Josiah Hernandez

i didnt say everything is well, u cumguzzling, cocksucking, retarded nigger jew. I said everything is better, than it ever was, atheists r growing in numbers and so it clearly shows its better to be less religious

Elijah Howard
Elijah Howard

War was the motivation but it doesn't have to be. Look at what Bill Gates is doing with water: gatesnotes.com/Development/Omniprocessor-From-Poop-to-Potable

Obviously, this would be useful in war when resources are scarce. But it's not being funded for or by the military industrial complex.

Anthony Howard
Anthony Howard

I don't think you have to be a theist to believe in the afterlife. Some atheists also believe that your consciousness exists in some way long after physical death, just not in a supreme being.

Isaac Ward
Isaac Ward

Good point

Sebastian Hall
Sebastian Hall

Some, because most are dumb shit

Gavin Kelly
Gavin Kelly

low tier bait from 2008
this stupid question has been explored and explained countless times
kys

Jace Richardson
Jace Richardson

Absolute peurile bullshit. This old argument is tired and lame. Look up 'value-positing nihilism' for example.

Xavier Richardson
Xavier Richardson

Doing bad things (as taught to me by society, my personal upbringing, and basic human nature, in that order) makes me feel bad. Whether this is the result of chemicals in my mind or the will of a higher being, i don't like to feel bad, so i don't do bad things.

Noah Martinez
Noah Martinez

/thread

Jacob Hill
Jacob Hill

Without God there is no real way to condemn anybody who does bad things, fuck off.

Andrew Powell
Andrew Powell

please tell everyone the conclusion reached in previous discussions

Brandon Phillips
Brandon Phillips

You could have at least made an argument OP. This is a very well known and commonly used argument too, shame on you for not picking a formalization

P1 if God does not exist, objective moral values do not exist
P2 objective moral values exist
Conclusion - God exists

I haven't defined God, objective, or morals but that will have bearing on the probability of the premises.

if we put it in a premised form we can multiply our certainty in each premise to get our certainty of the conclusion. For example if I'm 75% certain that 1 is true and 60% certain 2 is true then I'm not less than 45% certain that God exists based solely on this argument.

Furthermore it makes discussion much easier. If someone denies the conclusion they can do so by rejecting one of the premises, rather than by engaging in image-board level esoteric rambling.

John King
John King

If they're anything like me, they've merely come to accept the absurdity of it all, and fill their empty, aimless existences with hedonistic pursuits - in whatever form that might take. In this capacity, no 'higher purpose' or 'meaning' is required.

Any fedora-tipper who hasn't accepted at least some brand of nihilism is either, A: new - B: mentally inept 'or, C: kidding themselves.

Colton Myers
Colton Myers

If reward and punishment are the only things stopping you from doing something, are you really a good person?

Hunter Lee
Hunter Lee

I guess.

Andrew Morris
Andrew Morris

Does it matter?

Oliver Sanders
Oliver Sanders

because I like to cum

Lucas Campbell
Lucas Campbell

define "good person"

Connor Gomez
Connor Gomez

there's no atheist, just ppl mad at God

James Foster
James Foster

If people really understood the healing power that Baugette Pam Pom can bring, then they would have faith.

Kayden Thomas
Kayden Thomas

I hate pedophiles

Jack Nelson
Jack Nelson

Then why you are here ?

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