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who are you going to vote for (or would like to vote for) in November?
Clinton vs Trump NOVEMBER ON Holla Forums
Cooper Allen
Caleb Torres
?A recent PPIC poll shows Mrs. Clinton with a 2% lead over Mr. Sanders, and a Fox News survey found the same result. Even a narrow win would give him 250 pledged delegates or more—a significant boost. California is clearly trending to Mr. Sanders, and the experience in recent open primaries has been that the Vermont senator tends to underperform in pre-election surveys and over-perform on primary and caucus days, thanks to the participation of new registrants and young voters.
Jill Stein or Bernie Sanders.
Liam Morales
well that was a mistake. hillary vs trump would be more difficult
Jeremiah Nguyen
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Jace Diaz
"If voting changed anything they would make it illegal." ~ Emma Goldman
Sebastian Campbell
Vote Jill or don't vote.
If the dems want to win, they've gotta give us what we want.
Nolan Lopez
Neither. Continue to build the left movement as capitalism sinks into ever deeper crisis with the boost given by Sanders. If that causes Trump to win, so be it. It would even help us in the long term.
Jose Hughes
Wouldn't having Trump as president radicalize and make violence acceptable to a lot of the currently liberal and pacifist "leftists"?
There's a lot of backlash against Trump, he divides the country - which is good because it makes people strongly position themselves ("either you're against Trump or for him"), it makes people willing to fight, it intensifies the implicit civil war.
To give you an example… In my own country we have a right-wing politician that has been dividing the country for more than a decade with his paranoid propaganda. When he finally came to power a few years back insurrections happened across major cities because all the people that didn't vote for his party were passionately against it. Nothing changed other than he stepped down from power and later a centrist with no program and no politics was elected, in practice doing the same shit as previous government. But it was the only time that a lot of the otherwise pacifist and bourgeois "left" was willing to attack the system. Our mistake was that the new organizing developed by insurrections wasn't maintained and spread enough to become ungovernable, to the point that the return to status quo couldn't happen even if the liberals and apoliticals (the majority) would definitely want it.
Oliver Myers
You guys remember what it was like under G.W. Bush, right? It amounted to a whole lot of whining; nothing revolutionary. I imagine any victory by him will engender a more forceful reaction by conservatives than by leftists, which is a depressing thought.
Dylan Long
Bush had 9/11 and widespread fear of terrorism to keep people in line. "war is peace" and all that. Plus, inequality has gotten worse since then.
Jayden Brown
It's gotten a lot worse. And people like Richard Wolff are reporting that people are being more penetrating and enthusiastic with their questions about socialism, which is a good anecdotal sign the left is stronger than it was last decade, but still – the most vitriolic reaction against Trump has come from other republicans. Some are saying the party is already split. I've yet to see much from the left beyond the usual, though feel free to prove me wrong, I could use some good news.
Nathan King
The working class is fucked no matter which of them wins. But Hillary is at least a flip-flopper, so she could be forced into doing some vaguely socdem things.
I don't go with the "never vote lol" crowd. Voting doesn't "legitimize" anything, because no state ever disbanded itself due to low voter turnout.
So I'm going hold my nose, vote for Shillary, and then drink vodka while sobbing myself to sleep.
Dominic Hernandez
The difference between now and then was that Bush II presided over a period of relative prosperity and stability. Trump will be taking over an economy that never truly recovered from the crash, with gross extremes of inequality barely treading water as a worsening global crisis threatens to pull it back under.
Angel Robinson
I'll believe it when the masses are in the streets and occupying government buildings. Like Wisconsin 2011, only everywhere, and angrier.
Asher Wright
No she won't. Trump is just as much of a flip-flopper as her and he won't do good shit either.
Grayson Anderson
I'd understand someone voting for Trump more than someone actually voting for that cow. Traitor.
>>>/liberalpol/
Josiah Wright
Relative to when?
The 2000's were not a period of prosperity and stability, more like decline.
Benjamin Ortiz
Trump, at least when things obviously won't get any better people will move to the left. People will blame the left on Hillary when we all know she isn't.
Charles Powell
Relative to post-2008
Nolan Green
2 nao
Anthony Hernandez
Why?
I understand being indecisive between all the small leftist splinter parties in this country, but a vote for either major party candidate is a vote for imperialist war abroad and assaults on democracy and the working class at home. Neither is justifiable even under weak socdem shit about incremental change.
Joshua Young
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Voting for this guy tbh.
Jackson Cruz
Yeah, Zizek even called Trump "a centrist liberal". At least he makes a lot of people passionately hate him - but the problem is that after 4 yours under someone like Trump precisely this hatred will cause people to consider electing someone like Hillary a big achievement.
In the long run it is much better to elect the least worst candidate or party and then paint them as right-wing, shifting the game to the left, than to put your bets on acceleration. However, if people are open only to mainstream propaganda then hoping for a civil war of sorts might be the only option to exit the endless status quo.
Brayden Perry
Trump. Not because muh accelerationism. Kind of because he lacks Hillary's experience to fuck things up. Kind of because everything he says is pandering hot air and he definitely doesn't believe that nonsense. Largely because it would be much harder to paint a revolution or other dissent as hatred of women against the first woman president.
America is not ready for a woman president. We will excuse every bad thing she does and write off criticism as hatred of women.
Jaxon Baker
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