Arch Linux General /alg/

This post sure ain't minimalist

When it comes to privacy or security there's really no difference between those two communities, except that Arch users have managed to learn how to copy text from a web browser to a terminal emulator. At least Ubuntu isn't as much community-maintained because it's lead by a greedy corporation (which of course has bigger problems, but at least they care about quality) and most of its packaging is based on Debian. Arch on the other hand is maintained by idiots who don't understand basic things. At one time they were actively against package signing simply because the complainers annoyed them. Now that Arch is completely filled with redditors (and we all know everything wrong with their mentality) it's even a worse place to learn good practices from.
I would suggest Debian for a beginner that cares about security. Someone with more experience and stricter requirements can try Gentoo or Alpine (which is actually inspired by both Gentoo and Debian).

Fuck off, retard.

If you want to move up a bit try Manjaro, it's Arch with a nub-proof install process and some useful stuff pre-installed.

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Should I install Arch before Gentoo?

My GNU/Linux progression so far has been Ubuntu to Debian, but I run on a very old machine so 'ricing' sounds appealing, plus I'd like to learn more about GNU/Linux.

Would learning Arch for a couple months make the transition to Gentoo a little easier?

It might make it slightly easier, but I doubt it's worth it. It would be better to thoroughly explore Debian's capabilities, because it's much more general purpose than Arch. Distro-specific knowledge is more likely to be useful in the future.

Debian might even be better for learning than Arch. It's more flexible.

How to update Firefox Nightly in Arch?

um no
thats what ubuntu and derivatives do in general

aur.archlinux.org/packages/firefox-nightly/
makepkg -cirs

how to run sway without systemd?

If you use arch and use systemd just stop

What is the arch equivalent to "program files" directories in windows? I can usually find the path when installing with aur but my brain is just big enough to understand how to get aur packages to install and nothing more.
How do I move files into other directories without fucking up my filepaths if other programs need them?
I have a metric assload of noob questions concerning the underlying shit that makes arch run, but I have the hardest time grasping it unless I know exactly how one function of part of the system relates to other functions.
I don't need someone to explain any of this here, I just can't seem to find any useful information from the arch wiki. I did try to RTFM and my brain is peanut sized until I fully understand how it all works. Is there a guide that is both a beginner guide and an autistically in-depth guide at the same time? I just wanna know how to do all the shit

/bin/, /etc/, /usr/bin/, depending on if it's more of a system- or user land tool.

It's called UNIX user, not "that thing that makes Arch run"

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At least I can agree with the admin. Fucking archfags don't even understand their own distro.

Geez, that dev is kind of an asshole.
Anyways, things always look much uglier on the backstage.

Create a package. Takes a bit of work the first time but it makes easy to remove it later.

correct answer

I use the arch wiki to look up documentation, while the distro is outclassed by gentoo, fedora and debian in the same purpose, it exists not to be a successful or great distro but rather to exist to have the greatest documentation about all kinds of software.

That's true. The whole purpose of Arch Linux is to write documentation based on usage of upstream vanilla packages, so that as many distros as possible can make use of that documentation. Hence why their "maintainers" don't actually maintain anything but use automated scripts that push packages to repos as soon as they build without errors. The distro is intended only for wiki writers, and was originally called Wiki Linux, but they decided to change the name because people thought it was related to the WikiMedia organization. Unfortunately renaming it to Arch Linux caused even more confusion as now most of its "users" think it's a distro intended to actually be used. But this is not the case at all. The devs explain all this very clearly on their mailing list, but I can't find it right now.

About how much memory do all your Arch builds use immediately after booting?

Mine: ~300 MB.

Also, which DE do you use?

Me: XFCE.

My personal arch installation guide. Can anyone confirm this will all work? I am doing Windows 10 + Arch dual boot with systemd boot.

sdax_ is a write in for me once I identify what sda values my partitions are.
pastebin.com/yW9uLW0R

Pretty much. No need to specify all those groups for the user though;
useradd -m -G users,wheel -s /bin/bash foo

Usually between 200-300 MB, pic is 'idle' after a normal day of usage.

This post is THE embodiment of the stereotypical Archfag like holy shit OP I didn't think the memes were this real.

Is ElementaryOS any good? Looks pretty dope but the shekel-grubbing is a bit off-putting

No.

What did you expect from an archnigger.

Arch doesn't compile from source though.

Do you think it was intentional they tied their DE to their own distro? I mean beyond technical aspects.

sounds pretty far-fetched tbh

Whoever made these comics obviously doesn't know what they're talking about; Arch doesn't compile from source, and WebAssign LockOut Browser is not available for Linux.

I've been using Arch forever, but I've been trying to make the switch to Gentoo inside VMs. I'm close, but it's a learning curve for sure.

In the meantime, I've been compiling most of the things I use a lot from source, using a combination of the AUR and the ABS.

The problem is dependencies. I compile something from the ABS, and it naturally pops up saying I need X dependencies. I can either install the binaries, or manually compile all those from the ABS too. Manual is a pain in the ass though, and those dependencies require other dependencies, etc.

Is there something I can use that will compile something from the ABS, AND the dependencies from source automatically?

It seems like this is something I can write a script for, but it also seems like something that should already exist. Essentially pacman, but using the ABS/makepkg instead of binaries.

sad

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He is probably talking about yaort

Got it running on family PC for a while and an x220 laptop. It's sort of a pain in the ass, and is buggy enough to get annoying right out of the box. It's not easy to work with either. It looks very nice, and I hope it gets better, because it is a nice concept. Certain things are so simplified that if they don't work correctly, you have to go through the hassle of trying to fix it in terminal.

Touchpad control is absolute shit and spazes out like crazy, and the gimped the GUI settings for it come with one one fucking slider, so you gotta dick with config files

Pretty much all GUI settings for power saving / lid closing, doesn't work at all.

There are freezing problems on waking up from sleep mode.

Its file manager is pretty buggy. Often times you can't drag or move files within it, and requires a reopening.

It's file selection file manager window is dumb as fuck, as icons are 16x16, and there's no option to scale icons.

It's package manager is absolute trash, doesn't work very well, and have had problems getting Ubunuts package manager to work because of version disparities of dependencies or some such nonsense. I gave up on it quite quickly.

I run arch on my T420 and am so much happier with it. This is my first linux distro, and arch is pretty simple and haven't had a single problem with it. Stuff is easy to set up with all the documentation out there. Elementary is anything but. Elementary specific problems are a bitch to fix for a newer person to linux, as some things that are an easy fix on ubuntu through a GUI, are stripped away from elementary in the name of "simplicity".

How can I return functionability to my Thinkpad volume buttons?
They don't appear to be recognized by Arch, so I'm not entirely sure how to go about keymapping them.

Using amixer to adjust the volume isn't too bad, but it'd be nice to set up this thing to work as it should.

Which thinkpad? wiki.archlinux.org/index.php/Laptop/Lenovo has a list of lenovo laptops, and what's working/not working for them + how to workaround. It's a good idea to read through the documentation for your laptop there.

Volume keys work good in GNOME and KDE desktop environments for my T420 and x220. xbindkeys and xbindkeys_config-gtk2AUR can be a solution for media keys that are not working. This solution also allows you to rebind the ThinkVantage button and certain FN layer shortcuts (the blue logos on the keyboard).

Is there a way or should i use something else ?

what's this script called again?

if you dont want systemd and want a super stable os, but dont care that you will never have closed source drivers for amd gpu
use manjaro openrc

screenfetch

No more to say

I'm trying to enable w3m to handle magnet links, and need to alter my config file for it. Where arer these generally stored? I can't find it, nor can I find any info on the web about it.. So it's proabbly a stupid question, but thanks

T410. I wasn't able to find anything on the wiki that actually solved this issue.

Ok, nvm, made the config file. I had a misconception that they came with a defualt config file.

yes

Install Gentoo

why won't my fan stop screaming?

he's a fan of gentoo

holy shit, kek

lmao

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after installing arch, what else does it teach me?

my final destination on this meme train is /g/entoo, so I think I may as well hop over

I mean I also screwed around with a few config files and whatnot, but everything has been stable and smooth ever since installation. My only issue is not knowing the knew set of commands (like pacman vs apt-get)

It honestly doesn't teach you that much. Just keep using it and experimenting and using search engines and the Arch wiki. The typical advanced Arch things can be done on any distro, but Arch is less likely to provide or suggest easy alternatives than some other distros.

Yeah, I've found that compared to Arch, Debian held my hand way too much too force me into learning (I'm lazy, which is why I switched - so I'd have to be forced into it).

On the flip side, hand holding is a wonderful thing and I have Debian on my laptop for when I need to really get things done and can't spend the time configuring.

But anyhow, thanks. I think I might be switching to Gentoo sooner than I thought in that case.

How much different is it to set up a relatively stable Gentoo desktop?

you mean systemd/linux general? arch is king of systemd

May I remind you that the Arch Wiki was written by Arch USERS.

Very nice.

Sell it to me, faggots

After you get it installed and set up (which you will learn alot from), it is very stable, and ends up feeling much simpler than you'd imagine at first, and also much simpler than other distros.

This is no different than debian from netinst.

It's more minimal than Debian.

In my experience, installing the same stuff with Debian netinstall and Arch ends up with Debian being lighter. _especially_ if you use --no-recommends or whatever it was called.

It really isn't. Debian with just the recommended bare base packages is about on Arch's level, I'd say, but you can remove even that group and get a working system that's stupidly minimal - far beyond Arch. And aside from that, Debian packages development headers and debug symbols and such separately so its packages are more minimal than Arch's, so if you have the same software installed on Arch and Debian the Debian system is typically more minimal.

Like said, using the --no-install-recommends options (or setting the equivalent option in the APT configuration) disables installation of optional dependencies. That way you only get the bare dependencies needed to make the package work, while Arch likes to hard-depend on packages that are merely convenient.

Arch is simpler than Debian in some ways, but it's much less minimal than a minimal Debian.

Whats peoples experience with Black Arch?

It looks dumb, but whether it's dumb or not, it's not intended to be used like a regular main driver distro.

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Whenever I try dipping my tablet pen onto my Wacom drawing tablet it lags although usable I can't draw strokes properly due to lag.

This didn't happen few days ago and I haven't updated my system.

Xorg process becomes 20-40% when I try to dip the pen.

OS: Arch on Plasma5/kwin-xorg
kde pkg vers: 16.12.2-1
plasma pkg vers: 5.9.3-1
wacom driver: kcm-wacomtablet-frameworks-git

anyone having similar issues?

K, thanks user.

Mostly simpler for Arch devs and maintainers as opposed to users, that's the official intention of the distro. While Debian puts far more work into making it simple for users. Just look at the way you can configure and extend package management. Debian even has official .onion repositories and apt-transport-tor so that you can download over tor:
onion.debian.org/

I said simple, not easy. Brainfuck is a very simple language.

I use apt-transport-tor. It's neat.

do it faggot

meme distro checklist

[X] full of broken packages (see git.alpinelinux.org/cgit/aports/log/unmaintained/ranger?showmsg=1 for a taste of the ALPINE EXPERIENCE)
[X] maintained by a team of devs in the middle single digits
[X] official forums full of viagra spam
[X] dead irc / mailing lists

Until dpkg shits the bed due to dependency resolution.

Curious; Has anyone tried this arch-openrc project?
sourceforge.net/projects/archopenrc/

Not sure if this is from the same team of people who were working on Manjaro + openrc,
have tried that Manjaro flavour years ago; pretty buggy back then, but it worked.
I might try it out when i got time on my hands.

Arch is all white autists. No niggers allowed.

Please tell me why i should trust the AUR?