Hey. I'm a 27 year old Chemical Engineering making 120k a year working for BP

Being on the winning side.

Stop smudging out of ignorance

Money will actually mean less to you if the rich are forced to redistribute it so that everyone has their basic needs covered. It would be a much richer world if people weren't handicapped by a lack of social services and instead were free to contribute.

Imagine how many more productive citizens there would be if every homeless person had free health care, therapy and a place to live. We are one species. When we all do better, we all do better.

At 120k a year you're on the wrong side of the barricade. There is nothing for you at the left, except if you personnaly value equality, solidarity and sustainability

Jesus Christ, nihilist-poster can you go one day without incessantly shitposting one-liners and getting triggered by whatever disagrees with your feelings and opinion of the moment?

You and I both know (or I hope you do) that when I refer to the anarchy of production I am not referring to anarchism as a political and philosophical movement, but anarchism in the sense of economic chaos and mismanagement.

I've even seen you make that distinction yourself when arguing against people who misconstrue anarchism as anti-organization or pro-market.

Because your surplus value is still being extracted, thus you still do not enjoy the full fruits of your own labor. You have no control over your how you work or what you work on, as those things are (at least in the end) determined by either your boss or some other manner of corporate entity which you are beholden to if you want to receive your paycheck. It is in the self interest for you and your fellow workers to be in control of the means of production which you use to conduct your labor, as it offers a greater degree of personal gain in both control and received "reward."

In addition, having worker control over the means of production creates greater conditions of financial security, as it ensures that if you wish to work, that desire will always be accommodated for. Your employment status, while highly sought after in this case, still hinges on the wild, chaotic, and often destructive swings of the market. Employment termination can still occur at any point with very little thought or care placed in what happens to you afterwards. Additionally, capitalism does not make many accommodations for the worker (in almost any field that has production application) when it comes to automation: even most STEM fields are seeing many of the traditional roles of the scientist being overtaken by this. Between these two forces, the lifestyle that your career currently affords you stands on a razors edge at virtually all times, and will continue to exist in this state as an inherent part of the capitalist system.

In short, no matter how you dress it and whatever bribery you receive from the bourgeoisie (that remains a pittance of what you actually produce to make you feel wanted), ==you are expendable==. You are not valued for who your are or even what you contribute to your society: you are valued solely by what profits you can help the capitalist class rake in. This pursuit of profit is by no means inherently rational, and in many cases can be in active opposition to the greater good of the society (example: the perpetuation of the fossil fuel industry instead of investing in renewable energy sources, price gouging tactics used by pharmaceutical companies, etc). Your self interest first and foremost, before the distractions of assorted glitz and glitter, is to become master of oneself; a task that is impossible under capitalism. It is a system that operates on the prerequisite that all members of society are enslaved to some force (be it directly in the form of a boss while employed, or indirectly for the bourgeoisie who are compelled to partake in exploitative though often undesired actions to retain their status under the existing system).

What hahaha dude you've got the wrong person. First of all, I'm not using the nihilist flag. I'm using the black flag. I also don't recall myself ever saying that before. Also, that's wrong. There does exist market anarchism like mutualism or Tuckerism but its not anti-state capitalism of course.

Petit-bourgeois like you will be removed.
The power of choice is not applicable for you.

Nothing. You should be against us because we're gonna gulag the fuck outta you :^)))

ffs quit confusing the nihilist posters with that black flag newfag poster

Do you want the freedom to work on what you want?
No?
Keep doing what you're doing then.

Do you actually spend anywhere near 120k a year (or whatever you take home)? I assume you save a large portion of your income. In socialist/communist society you wouldn't have to have savings at all. You would be assured access to consumption by the society you live in.

I can't deny that you might have to consume less. How much and what do you currently spend your money on?

He is not even petit.
He is just a classcuck.

Sure is counter rev in here.

As a necessary condition of your employment, you produce more for BP than they give you back in pay. In other words, though your pay may be high, you're still being systematically robbed by BP.

In addition, your labor, under capitalism, takes on a commodity form. You get paid what you do because your labor as a commodity is in low supply in comparison to the high demand for that labor. But when your line of work becomes saturated (and at this point it's not really a question of if but when, whole countries are gearing their education systems to produce programmers and engineers), the value of your labor as a commodity on the market will drop like a stone, and people will high pay like yourself will be the first on the chopping block when that happens.

What are you going to do when your job, inevitabely, gets taken over by automation?

You shouldn't unless you're worried the quality of life of your offspring will be worse.

arguments that say the chemical engineer is getting underpaid and appeal to a sense of greed are not worth it.

the arguments below are correct arguments

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You will have job stability, you will have a cleaner world, you will have democracy at your work place(no more asshole bosses making unpopular stupid decisions), you will actually be serving mankind, you will have a social safety net, you will have world where you can automate most of your job(of course this varies with jobs), you will have more free time, you will have access to all information and can form study groups/ hobby clubs/ bang your waifu/husbando/ play vidya/ workout.

Tbh I would rather work a work a job and earn less money than take a higher paying job where they fucking call and email you when you aren't at work.

real talk: Don't you worry that the decrease in oil prices might cause you to lose your job?

The ability to provide for them and a sense of pride? Teach your kids how to do the same thing and you won't have to worry about what they get out of it regardless.

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