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Anything that helps with propaganda comrade.Do it.

Jesus christ put black borders around the text next time

I can't help but feel somewhat satisfied to see this retard fall for fascism, even if it just continues the trend of the rise of the far right.

They are getting more honest.

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The dark side has taken a toll on ol' Molly-Nukes…

At least it shows they're truer colors.

Is it any surprise?
In the face of a growing left the so called "free-market" advocates always resort to fascism to protect their precious property

You managed to watch a whole video of his?

A lolbert goes full fascist? That isn't surprising at all. Not one bit.

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Yes, sanders isn't the radical marxist you'd expect him to be, but considering the american political climate he's very much to the left.
Shit, it just goes to show how much society has moved right over the past decades.

There's a growing left? I must be very blind.

Of course, that isn't the case. You're dreaming.

What a disturbed man.

Scratch a liberal and a fascist bleeds?

Well yeah. Due to the neoliberal shift. Sanders' platform is on the left side of the right.

The Sanders campaign is making the legitimate left grow too.

You see, there's nothing magical about Sanders. The success of his campaign is simply a reflection of the growing dissatisfaction with capitalism and the status quo.

What a joke. The Sanders supporters may think that they "hate" capitalism, but they're supporters of it. Just like with the European social democrats, we'll end up getting undermined again with people who think socialism equals big government and taxes. The Left is dead. If you want to see it grow, tell people what socialism really is.

this

libertarianism is just the initiate tier in the fascist cult

You think we don't know?
Sure we do!

But what's the point in waiting to fight the real war and not doing anything during the cold war?

Also, common people are too spooked to know what it realy is. Even to hear about it.

Sanders ran on a social democratic platform because to have run on the platform of collectivizing the means of production would have been a recipe for not just failure but complete political ostracization. What Sanders did was the intelligent political thing. If you can get people to start calling themselves socialist, whatever they may mean by the word, you make it much easier to drive home what socialism really is and have them embrace it. The situation in the West today demands this kind of subtle entryist politics.

Social democrats are feeding the rise of right-wing nationalism with their stupidity and lack of spine. I'd like the US to not be as right-wing as it is now so that our message will be more palatable, but look. These guys are called socialists when they're not and they smudge our name. This is why Holla Forumsacks come in here spitting bullshit intended for us but completely missing us because they misrepresent us. Just tell people about the common ownership of the means of production. It can't be that hard.

How's this?

Well not shit. Politicians need to modify their message according to the political climate. To be a politician is to be a liar. So what though? That's not an excuse. If you don't split Sander and his naive little fans with actual socialism, don't expect anything good. Expect something completely different and the further mischaracterization of socialism. Sanders is guilty of slandering socialism.

Also, don't give him so much credit just for reading Lenin, Trotsky, etc. Is he really the same type of Marxist as they? Probably not. It doesn't mean much. That's just speculation.

I'm going to post this to >>>/liberty/

The point about him having read Marxist writers is that he's well aware that what he's proposing is not socialism. Why he's calling it socialism is up to interpretation, but I believe it's because he wants to make the word palatable to the American public, and in that he has been successful. If you do not consider a decisive break with America's McCarthyite fear of socialism to be an aid to the emergence of socialism in America, then I believe you must be either a purist or a defeatist.

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No I agree that at least is isn't seen as that bad anymore, but don't have any hope at all with this comrade. Rothbard knew what libertarianism really was. He didn't care and used it to mean something completely different that was indeed more palatable to the red-scared American reader and now look: Libertarianism has been perverted and we're swimming with a bunch of idiot lolberts. I don't care why Sanders is using it. We're in risk of another wave of distortion and marginalization by proponents of quasi-socialism. The distinction needs to be made fast. We need more publicity.

Well, I agree with that much. I have always looked at Sanders as a recruitment opportunity. I do not even want him to become President, because the best he could do is try and fail to implement social democracy.

Maybe it'll turn people less yellow, but I'm very suspicious of what he's doing.

Honestly this makes me very worried. We haven't seen anything yet, the far right is on the rise faster than the left.

When the socdems fail the fascist will take over, it will be hard times, but after that will be our turn to strike

To you, comrades, I give this product of my meager talent.

Yeah that kind of defeatist accelerationism hasn't worked out well for the left in the past.

mises has the beady little eyes of a supervillain.

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The far-right is just a controlled opposition to the status quo. They are not a concern by themselves.

It is that hard, because hatred for """"""""""socialists"""""""""" has become integral to modern right wing identity.

Explaining to these people that socialism isn't about eating white babbies sounds to them like saying fire is cold or water is dry.

Just do it step by step. It cannot be that hard.

It is not even the fear of the dreaded socialism that makes it difficult. What makes it difficult is the analysis of capitalism that must accompany it. The good news is that once you show someone how people who never worked a day in their entire lives are taking what they work for every day and giving them nothing in return then they start thinking about alternatives. It is a glorious moment when you actually see in their eyes the wheels turning, and then there is that flash of recognition where righteous indignation replaces confusion. People know that they are getting fucked over every time they go to work, every time they look at their paycheck, every time they pay their rent. All you need to do is point out how, and the rest just clicks.

Isn't this the guy who ran a borderline cult where he told kids to run away from their family.

He's still a cult leader.

okay here it is

Yes

kek

fuckin kek

finished

this truly is the vacant gaze of a defeated man

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I'll bet it's going to be praising Ali for being a Nigger Nazi and a call against irrelevant shiting. Don't see why tbh, it ain't like alt-right cucks are ever going to fuck a woman.

Make the blue brighter.

Guess how far my sides are in orbit that you lot are still waiting for "revolution?"

he mad :^)

Holy moley.

The alt-right gaslighted him.

Holy fuck. This just screams "downward spiral of drugs and liquor". It's perfect.

Look what I found.

Should I make a new thread for this?

Wasn't Ali a Super anti-imperialist and was against the Vietnam War?

youtube.com/watch?v=vd9aIamXjQI
youtube.com/watch?v=H9TwvGYcGRo
yes and yes.

Stephen Molyneux reminds me a bit of Doug Walker.

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lel

When its no longer about the "wealth of nations" and its simply about maintaining the system, you know you are into some deep shit.

Unfortunately, libertarians reached that point fucking years ago

Yeah socialists just have to make the shit relatable. The only reason why the alt right and libertarians are so popular is because a failure to help pull the wool of the eyes of the common man. The latter is so popular because university students have an autistic reaction to socialism and end up reading all this crap to justify their hatred. The former is so popular because non-students need some vague sense of political activism. Really, the idea that all you should be politically concerned about is yourself and the class you are a apart of its just a logical follow on from enlightenment thinking.

this is accurate though

That's because we're not living in a democracy

how?

This video sums up my views:
youtube.com/watch?v=7InS1EQ9RfU

Fucking. Dead

under capitalism, a direct democracy would be just as flawed and manipulatable as a representative one. democracy sucks; socialism and communism should aim to make it obsolete or just eliminate it.

i don't want others to have the power to make decisions for me and control my life. democracy is just a tyranny of the majority.

I don't want direct democracy with capitalism I want democracy with socialism. Do you want some grand dictator making decisions for you? Consensus decision-making could be used or a sort of democracy that could aim at accommodate the minority. If you don't like the "tyranny of the majority" remember that right now we're living the tyranny of the minority.

those aren't supposed to exist in a classless society.
small groups coming to a consensus is not the same thing as wide-scale democracy that affects millions of individuals. and the whole purpose of democracy is to render the minority powerless. a democracy that accommodates the minority is by definition not a democracy.
the majority is opposed to leftism. the majority, over the past century, has voted against their and mine interests, and for the interests of the minority. in the current reality, a tyranny of the minority and a tyranny of the majority have the same outcome.

What do you propose as an alternative?

Remember that there won't be socialism if the people don't want it or fight for it but to explore, what do you propose? How will decisions be made in your socialist society?

i don't know. something that doesn't totally disregard or marginalise the individual, or give carte blanche to the dumb, gullible, controllable masses.

i'm just sick of this assumption that democracy is ideal or the obvious answer to all of the world's problems.

which is where we are right now. the people don't socialism, so you and i don't get it. majority rule. democracy is preventing socialism.

What is it with the alt-right and their obsession with cuckoldry?

They have issues

Sexual impotence

Because the purpose of sex is procreation.
Cuckoldry is letting others have sex with your partner.
Therefore cuckoldry is "not perpetuating your bloodline"
This is ultra heresy/ retardation/ failure at life when your worldview is centered around ethnicity.

Basically "Muh DNA".

a racist defense mechanism against their secret interracial sexual desires

That quote by Trotsky literally counters your point. Marxist analysis of reality and revolution=/= voting in free college and calling it socialism.

Yes, but he was also a member of the Nation of Islam and thought races should stay separate. Molyneux is likely going to focus on that, because it supports his beliefs.

So Stefan is finally coming out as a white nationalist?

BASED MOLYNEUX REALIZES THAT LEFTISTS ARE FULL OF SHIT, WESTERN CIVILIZATION FTW

Friendly reminder that non-whites only exist for us whites to subjugate and hate.

lol that's why you've subjugated us so many times right?

The white race has, yes. And I'd argue we should continue to do so lest we face destruction.

did he ever believe those things?

maybe slightly before but he probably already thought this sort of stuff but denied it

this is the most concise description of the phenomenon ive ever read

The alt-right is going fully fashy retard and I love it.

Going full-fascist is the most logical move these days.

Where did I state that I either want Sanders to win or that I think his social democratic policies are socialism?

One of the reasons I like webms is that we don't have to give views to these fuckers.

I swear these libertarians are sliding into fascism like a new sweater. And it shouldn't on paper, make sense. But given who they are, it does.

He's been mistaking the speed pill for the red pill.

it makes perfect sense. Lolberts only care about freedom in terms of private property rights. Fascism promises to protect the private gains of the rich from those dirty, socialist, wage slaves.
Mises defended fascism, both Friedman and Hayek endorsed Pinochet, and Hoppe even said that monarchism would be better than democracy because muh property rights.
Libertarians are and have always been wannabe dictators who pay lip service to the idea of freedom.

Well if only because of the NAP does it not makes sense on paper. But you're right the various libertarian philosophers were ok with breaking the NAP because of their fetish for private property, worship of greed etc.

Libertarians are calling fascists "populists" instead of "fascists" lately. They realize that Trump is more attractive than the liberal candidates they nominate to their base.

Underrated post

I don't recognize any of them.

TAKE THE METH PILL, KIDDO
The meth pill is a revolutionary new twist on a grand aryan tradition! Taking the meth pill should be 100% legal because it doesn't violate the NAP, and it was the pill of choice for many famous aryan heroes, including Adolph Hitler, the Wehrmacht, and the Luftwaffe! Taking the meth pill will open your eyes to all sorts of hidden truths, such as Cultural Marxism and the World Jewish Conspiracy. Pic related: my eyes are WIDE OPEN 24/7 after taking the meth pill!

clockwise It's Hayek, Hoppe, Von Mises, and Rothbard

That'd be funny but I think it's angstier than that. They see blacks and sometimes Hispanics as sexual competition.

Asian men also say the same of white men, and civil rights era black men were often similar, so in some odd way they are proving that people of different races are mentally similar through pettiness.

wait, I mean Rothbard ( guy with the glasses in the bottom right) than Von Mises (guy with the mustache in the bottom left)

Pol finally made him a full blown sith.

This is fucking golden. Someone cap this!

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I don't really understand how the new Molineux's text is Holla Forumsack

MY GOTT

Have you not read at least a summary of the Authoritarian Personality? 9 important traits: pastebin.com/BKGYcrG3

I bet you faggots wont counter debate him on his program or even show your faces to the public because you're all afraid of getting caught and be put in jail for anarchy.

Pure Meme Magic and fuken saved, Stefbots and the Neonazis are going to cry so hard to this.

But I do have to add something to this discussion, Radical leftist strategies and tactics (ANTIFA) are pushing people to the fascist right or stupid demonstrations with anarkiddies throwing rocks at windows, Feminists, Identity politics and the broad spectrum of the leftists social justice warriors are driving people to the Nazism.

I see many in this thread shitting on Ancaps, for Molyneaux wasn’t an Ancap to begin with, there are many within the real Libertarian spectrum that have called him out, on his bullshit, he hates Agorism ffs, he thinks that ideology initiates force,(even tho he is turning himself into a Nazi) but there are more Neonazis pretending to be Ancaps like Christopher cantwell, just like Marxists and even Tankies disguised as Anarchists, just to shit on the Image of decent Anarcho-socialists-commies-syndicalist etc…

So stop being Dishonest…

Real Ancaps and Agorists share many principals with lefties, just like no borders, no flags, no gods, no racism, live and let live, most of them are decent, peaceful freedom loving people.

Come on It's about fucking time we Unite forces Stefan Molyneaux, Evalion and Black Pigeon Speaks are the Early signs that Facism is on the rise.

Don't be an idiot, grow up.

GET THAT FUCKING PIC OUTTA HERE REEEEEEEEEE

If you Keep Anarchists divided because of economical reasons you are responsible for the global enslavement of people.
Remember Kronstadt? Ukraine? Catalonia?
they all feel victims of the Red Treason and by you are doing the same by making anarchists fight each other.

How about the fact that

ANCAPS AREN'T ANARCHIST, WE SHARE AS MUCH IN COMMON WITH THEM AS WE DO TANKIES

Grow up faggot, not all Anarchists are Socialists, meritocracy is better than being sorry for others (Socialism)

At least they're against hierarchy.

Gross dude.

#triggered

This. I might dislike my AnSoc brothers and sisters, and think that the AnQueers are full of shit actually they're stuffed with it, ayyyy lmao.

But I'll still take 'em/side with 'em over a shitty fascist or statist commie any day of the week.

You share more in common with us than you think, you just don't want to acknowledge us.

An - Archos - Whitout leader

If A capitalist is not a leader, a ruler, then I don't know what he is.
Thus, AnCapism is not anarchism.

Markets are shit tbh fam

You want the bourgeoisie to lord over me, they want the state to do it.

Both are equally my allies.

You know you can have a worker-owned business in AnCapistan, right? There's no restriction on that. We don't exactly like the current state of Capitalism either.

And even in "equal" and worker-owned groups, you have leaders who do a lot of the leadership work, right?

I just want to be left alone and come back to stable neighbors who haven't claimed my property as a means of production if I go innawoods for a couple months.

Right untill Coca-Colas PMC groups charge in, shoots us all with their tanks and establishes another state, because that is in their interest.

Representatives, not rulers. Democratically elected and instantly retractable, with no means of punishing.

Same here is such a shame they dont akcnoledge that we share so much ground with them

Mutualists are the most reasonable socialists I have spoken to tbh.

Because you say so?
Fuck off.

Yeah right… having no toilet paper sure sounds like fun.

Have I elected the Capitalist? Does he, or do I make the descisions?

Are you fucking Shitting me?
Agorists want to remove the state completely out of the equation.
Real Ancaps want to do it too.

By "they" I meant tankies.

Yes. Leaders and not bosses.
A voluntary heirarchy born of respect, knowledge or skill is acceptable - as long as it is not enforced.

Oh come on, do you honestly believe we'd leave you hanging if assholes like that showed up? Mutual threats are mutual threats, dude.

It's called shareholder-elected officials. Already exists in AnCapistan, existed in 'Murrica unadulterated up until FDR.

Never Forget! Soviets and Spanish Republicans were the ones that betrayed you.
It wasn't Capitalism.

Do you have the resources to fight Coca-cola and similar organizations who haven't been aolished since capitalism is a-ok and want their state back?

Elected by the shareholders, meaning the lords, not the workers and the people themselves.

This is true though.
Historically, Marxism has been a greater threat than Capitalism.

Only because we though them our allies though.

Anarchism must bring the end to all hierarchy, including capitalism.

I would completely like to see that, me being an Agorist.

A traditional work structure has leaders and not bosses.

"Bosses" are largely a group of individuals who were pushed politically by presidents to fit within the executive military structure (the reason things like the Colorado Massacres were able to happen).

We just think that trade (not money, trade) speaks louder than agreeing on things. Voting is an institution of violence disguised under a peaceful mask. To this end, most AnCaps have turned to legally grey p2p businesses as the default means of production since p2p avoids the knowledge problem faced by top-down and bottom-up businesses by having more of a web-like structure, and avoids regulatory fists of elected officials.

top kek

Do I elect the leader or not? Will there be leaders?

I get it, you advocate a kind of small-business Mutualism, that technically might be anarchism as long as they don't actually get any employees.

However, that is not really very conductive for large industry

What Next?

Are you are going to spew the classic:
The Soviet Union was State capitalism thing right?

Rulers, I should say.

Top-down and bottom-up business models are still acceptable to most AnCaps so long as they fall under the magic number (~150-300 employees), otherwise we state the likelihood of their existence as anything other than a barely-surviving model is slim.

Do you have evidence that large corporations like Coca-cola could exist under the regulatory-lite version of Capitalism that AnCaps propose? We certainly have evidence that large companies can't do well under deregulation.

en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_defunct_airlines_of_the_United_States

See all those companies that went under in the late 70s/early 80s? Same with the early 90s? That wasn't coincidence, that was the result of deregulation of the airplane industries allowing them to travel to more locations. It pretty much figuratively crashed many of them into the ground when they were forced to actually compete for service.

I say regulatory-lite because most engineering and construction companies actually have their own self-made regulations because they don't want to injure their potential customers.*

It was state-capitalism by any reasonable standard.

How about the late 19th century, where Carnigie, Vanderbildt, Rothchilds and Rockefeller buildt their fortunes by basically being capitalist warlords in the wild west?

There is nothing about deregulation that should prevent accumulation.

If you're referring to situations like the Colorado Massacres that AnCaps equally hate, I'd point to the fact that the "private security" groups out in the west (which was far from wild) were largely sponsored by the presidents at the time.

And that land rights were granted by the government and subsidized with the unspoken purpose of displacing the native Americans/artificially migrating hundreds of thousands of people to the country.

The only two natural monopolies that did not have state sponsorship in early American history were the Stock Market pre-1920, and the Diamond Industry pre-FDR. To my knowledge.

They supported the Spanish Republic. While they had left leaning elements the ultimate goal was to preserve liberal democracy.

I'm done with you, I dont know about the Ancap bro, but it's just disappointing to watch this, Ancoms (just to sum it all) are so thick headed and Ideologically stiff.
keep sticking to the Marxists they will stab you in the back again and again.

Which is exactly why capitalists will fight tooth and nail to establish a state first chance the get. And they have a lot of resources to do so, because the nature of absentee ownership allows the to expand almost indefinitely.
The second they hire PMCs they will effectively have a state.
And what then?

I mean, the Indian trade company might as well have been a state.

I'm not sticking to the Marxists. I distrust them and disagree with them.
They are as much my comrades as an Caps.

Doesn't change the fact that the USSR simply replaced the bourgeoisie with functionaries, and it was the same shit in the workplace.

What a fucking Joke.

Just remember that Hitler was democratically elected.

Which just proves that capitalism is aided by the state. Any hypothetical ancap society will never last because state power is a requirement for capitalism to function.

Admittedly I like to believe that I understand some of the lefty lingo, so I can word my answers more carefully around this fact compared to AnCaps who are more blunt in their approach, but our feelings towards the state and elites corporate elites being part of the political elite for most intents and purposes are pretty mutual, so I've got no problems working with 'em in most scenarios. I think I'll bug out.

Hitler wasn't democratically elected.

Heard of the Reichstag fire?

Uhhh pretty sure he lost to Hindenburg and was eventually appointed to chancellor.

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P->Q does not mean that Q==P.

But if that's the case, I don't understand why you insist on making enemies out of AnCaps instead of attempting to use them like Tankies used you. From an outside perspective, to AnCaps it always seems like the stateless socialist types have Stockholm syndrome.

Yeah, he was elected, just not to the leader of Germany.

This is correct.

First off, AnCaps are an internet movement. There aren't really anyone to move.

Secondly, the system they propose toimplement would have the bourgeoisie fuck us over, much like the Marxists would have the state fuck us over.

I trust neither.

Just because we're mostly seen on the internet doesn't mean we're not active off the internet.

In the words of a Holla Forumser that humored me a few months back, "AnCaps are like termites- you never see them, but they slowly erode away your house, and are numerous when the walls are exposed."

Explain in clear and concise terms what part of our system we want to implement does this.

I should state that we're typically nonviolent, so you won't hear much about us from the media.*

Capitalism has never functioned or worked without state interference, laws, regulations or state sanctioned institutions. If any of you knew a little bit of theory you would know that without the state Capitalism cannot function.

I refuse to debate any libertarian who doesn't concede this point as they reveal themselves to be ignorant not only of history but also how capitalism functions.

I have never seen AnCaps do anything IRL.

You'd allow free roam for Carniegie and Rockefeller to reestablish the same kind of state we opposed to begin with.
They will do it, because they want to shift the costs of maintaining society unto the workers.

The will have the resources and thus also the manpower to do so.

Which is another problem?
What use are you if you're not willing to fight on the barricades?

NSDAP voting record 1932 - 1933

31 July 1932
37.27% (+19.02% to 1930)
6 November 1932
33.09% (-4.18%)
5 March 1933

43.91% (+10.82%)

12 November 1933
92.11%

Hitler was "elected". Yeah, right.

K. Feel free to ignore me, just gonna go create Free-market capitalism without you. Leave me alone and we'll get along just fine.

No we wouldn't.

Maintaining society is up to each individual. Pretty sure this is the same for collectives. Corporations are not people, so why are collectives people?

How? They have to compete for customers without the bulk of intellectual property/copyrights/patents/regulations/laws to help them out.

Never bought drugs under-the-table? Hint: most drug-dealers without cartel affiliations who are able to stay in business/not get caught are either Libertarians, AnCaps, or Mutualists. AnCaps actually like to share with our friends, we just don't like being told to share.

Hell, probably 40% of SFL and 25-30% of YAL are AnCaps, and another 20-25% of SFL are Left-Libertarians with some AnCap overlap. Seeing folks like Roderick Long, Magate Wade, or Angela Keaton at an SFL event is pretty common. inb4 "who?" Groups like SFL are actually making a difference and have been growing like weeds/spreading their ideology into the mainstream around college campuses.

Self defense and aggression are two different things. We're not gonna help you throw bricks through the Starbucks window, but if you want to have a protest or hold an actual bundy ranch-style standoff with the feds instead of #BLM bullshit, we'll be there with you, bro. You just need to ask instead of insisting we're your enemy all the time.

Anyways I'm gonna bug out like I said I would.

They will have the monopoly of force. What part of PMC-hiring you didn't get?

Never have I seen a bigger [citation;needed] in my whole life.

Yes you would, because at the end of the day, AnCaps are nothing more than fascists in disguise, holding their "muh property" in much high regard than your freedom

Socialist pretending to know how the economy works…

Shame on you, fag. Shame on you for thinking that AnCaps are any better than marxists. They will stab you the back the same way. They are not our allies anymore than marxists are.

Anarchokiddie pretending to know how reality works…

If you want to treat me as a boogeyman and get triggered, then that's fine. Go create your society free of Capitalism and have people flock to it if you don't like us since it's sooooo much better than ours in your eyes. We're not gonna go after you for it. We just want you to leave us alone and stop murdering us when we have our own gated communities away from yours.

And property is freedom.

Like I said before- bugging out.

You mean the ones from where the elite will rule and roll over everything else with their PMCs?

Ummm… Democratic consensus vote?

Property is freedom.
Property is also subjugation, and theft.
It is also impossible.

Spooky

youtube.com/watch?v=4cnuRRWZxSE

This. We may disagree whether that state upholds capitalism or not, there still are fundamentals we do agree on. We need to meet them with open arms, or else there will be nothing left of the 'left'. Just look at the Trump parade shitting on them. An opportunity presents itself.

Grow the fuck up, kids.

Not all Socialists are anti meritocratic either.

Yeah, I don't get why people think socialism is necessarily egalitarian. Communism is egalitarian, and socialism could lead to communism.

However, socialism is 1000x more egalitarian than capitalism, despite the fact that they are both meritocratic.