Since we've been being raided worse than usual by Holla Forums and reddit for the last month I'm just gonna go ahead and state some things that Leftists of most flavors believe as fundamentals and if any of these trigger you for whatever reason just leave or feel free to conceal your autistic knee-jerking with fallacious arguments:
If you disagree with any of these either start reading, having a more open mind, or just go back to your echo chambers/torture chamberes at
the purpose of this thread is to explain concepts to rightists, i know. but i want to single out this statement you made. this sentiment here pops up all the time- this idea that issues related to race, gender, and sexuality will be solved with the revolution and transition to socialism.
you have to prove this. you have to explain why you believe that's the case. i don't see the logic explained nearly as often as it should be considering the spotlight these issues have for most people engaged in politics these days. explain logically why a transition to communism solves these issues.
Dominic Flores
Read Engles Read Zinn Read Zizek Read Chomsky Read Kropotkin Read Chris fuckin Hedges for god's sake
Samuel Bailey
or just read the second part of my OP:
Brody Sanchez
alright, you can say that, but the workers aren't going to be interested in reading all that to get an answer to their question. they're going to expect some spoonfeeding, whether you agree with it or not. if you point to a mountain of literature whenever someone has a question, you're not going to be winning over anybody.
how do you expect to gain popular support?
Ian Brown
You can read it then tell the workers, who you view as opposite from you, which is your first mistake
Now go read
Matthew Garcia
i don't view workers as opposite to me, i'm not even sure where you got that from. i view them as people who i have to win over if i want a chance of starting a revolution and succeeding, and i think you should view the workers who are not yet communist in the same way as well, unless you can provide me a good reason to not view them in this way.
i didn't mean to imply dumbing down if i did either. i just meant that you should elaborate on that claim is all. you cannot seriously expecting spouting a list of books like is a reasonable response to any liberal who would question your lines of thinking.
do note that i'm not saying not to use the works you think best answer the question. just that you can't expect the average person to be told to read thousands of pages of words to get an answer to their question. that's rather silly.
i don't wish to dumb down ideas of leftism, but i don't think this sort of response is going to be productive at gaining the hearts and minds of the workers.
Luis Long
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Noah Richardson
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Matthew Flores
That's just basic stuff, user.
Lincoln Hall
We'll give you the books FAM. You just gotta read thwm
Blake Long
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Easton Morris
While I get why pol is raiding, since lefty is rising (mostly cause everything else is falling) and we provide solid antithesis to their "thesis" also they are trying hard to apropriate our memes. This worked first time for stormfags… It's supposed to work again, right? KEK and so on.
But why would plebbit be raiding?
Either it's pol falseflagging.. .. or … We have actually begun to become a threat..
Our voice is getting too loud and we have to be silenced!
Naaah…. It has to be pol…
Brandon Howard
This is probably the first time I have heard so much common sense on Holla Forums. You sir. You're my comrade.
Hunter Carter
Hi reddit
Bentley Rogers
Fuck off, pollyp. See? I can do it too.
Oliver Martinez
Yes, but how will you get the white nationalists and other assorted bigots to drop their collective spooks of racism, sexism etc… when the revolution should come? Do you think that over 400 years of institutionalised racism is just going to disappear after capitalism is abolished?
Ayden Wilson
lurk more
Levi Lopez
Forgot flag
Justin Sullivan
Bigotry and such can be dismantled a lot easier when there isn't a corporatist ruling classes using sectarian identity politicians as useful idiots to keep the working class divided. This is Leftism 101 m80
Isaac Roberts
lurk more
Thomas Edwards
You told him, my good sir!
Tyler Ward
Nope you definitely aren't from reddit at all :^)
Colton Davis
Who said anything about caring about politeness, fag? I wanted to refer to him in such a manner. Are you autistic or what?
Nicholas Thompson
Check your muh privilege, sinner
Christian Richardson
FIVE GOLDEN MANBABIES :DDDDDDDDDDDD
Brandon Brooks
Privilege checked. I can insult anyone I want :^)
Logan Lopez
No you can't, I'm a transnigger, my opression level is much higher than yours.
Ryan Bennett
you continue to prove ur anonymoose credentials xD
Carter Cruz
Well, too fucking bad.
Kevin James
So, you're autistic. Well, I guess that explains it.
Julian Scott
Guys we should start meme-ing this hard: 'Reality, evidence and facts are all spooks!'
Jace Gomez
You are projecting too much–you think everyone is 'equal' and the 'same'–and that the masses also love to sit on the toilet reading communist manifestos and beating off to it.
When they infact have the opposite ideas to you and will only use your movement to get a foot in the door (via immigration etc) after which they will carry on their own agenda (spics/niggers–breeding like roaches, arabs–islam)
Austin Wilson
uh I'll take non-revolutionary for 500
Brody Johnson
We have multiple people that are being open left wingers who have some presence outside of here.
So yes, we're becoming a threat to right wing bullshit.
It doesn't matter what beliefs and attitudes people hold. Intolerance isn't the main issue. It's the fact that institutions of capitalism allow these beliefs to harm other people. We seek to remove the power structures that enable bigotry to prosper not to pathetically try to purge the world of thought crime. This is the modern left's biggest mistake. A person being racist is no concern of mine if he lacks the power to repress another person based off their misguided beliefs.
Chase Ross
Because once overt acts of discrimination are criminalized (which they are), the only acts discrimination which remain are those that can be ignored if you have enough money. Socialism eliminates economic inequality, which (combined with laws against overt discrimination) render discrimination completely immaterial.
Not only is your ridiculously retarded and ignorant opinion of anarchism and libertarianism not the consensus of this board, most board members are actually anarchists and libertarians. You're the minority here, classcuck.
Fuck off. While you do so, try reading some anarchist literature and history. Heck, even Wikipedia has a more detailed and accurate depiction of anarchism and anarchist history than you.
Brayden Parker
Nigga the fuck you talking about? What was wrong about what he said? Either you misunderstood something he wrote or you're not an anarchist and just someone trying to make anarchists look bad.
Owen Anderson
Totally unscientific. This is why I no longer call myself a Marxist.
Noah Howard
>>>/reddit/
Aiden Richardson
I completely misunderstood his point, my bad. I read:
My apologies. I'll fuck off and get some rest.
Chase Smith
He's not confused as to why, for fucks sake, he's saying that this needs to be pointed out more often than it is.
We shouldn't be averse to 'spoonfeeding' people. since we actually want to grow our numbers and change the world, rather than stay an exclusive club on the internet.
etc etc etc Are you actively trying to derail threads into shit on your own fucking board regarding your own fucking politics?
Joshua Brooks
This. The proper attitude on race is: 1) Populations that breed in isolation from each other will diverge 2) This has happened to modern Homo Sapiens Sapiens, producing differences such as phenotypical racial distinctions, among other things 3) There are other traits clustered with commonly identified races, some effecting aptitude 4) They far too small in magnitude to be of any practical consequence or deserve acknowledgement in any matter beyond the most trivial and obscure 5) Though the subject shouldn't come up often, refusing to acknowledge it when it does is pointless, contrarian, unscientific, and fundamentally anti-intellectual
Grayson Miller
Agreed.
Adam Scott
What if they aren't? Let's actually address this, because nobody seems willing to talk about it. A solid case can be constructed for discernible racial IQ differences, and while we can attribute some of that to societal or cultural factors it is a very distinct possibility that these differences are significant and genetic.
I am not saying that they are, but WHAT IF they are? Our ideology does not hinge on every person having identical capabilities, how do we adapt to this possibility if it becomes accepted as fact?
Jason Evans
You're committing to the naturalistic fallacy. Just because there ARE racial IQ differences doesn't mean that our ideology necessarily need to adopt it (and even to some extent acknowledge it), especially when we are primarily interested in what OUGHT to be.
Jeremiah Sanders
This is sounding dangerously quixotic to me. I cannot readily think of a more dangerous weapon to hand one's enemies than the truth.
Grayson Reed
They have been measured, and simply aren't big enough to care about when correcting for non-genetic factors.
Also, if you're thinking about the bell curves Holla Forums loves to troll with, remember that what's true for populations isn't true for individuals. I.E.: Half the population will be above the center of a perfect bell-curve, and you can't know who's who until you actually gain the measure of their abilities.
Jace Myers
Society is literally the word for a large group of individuals. We are dealing in populations when we talk about civilization. Additionally, I think the court is still out on the subject of how large the differences are. The Minnesota Trans-Racial Adoption study seems potentially damning.
Again, this is a what if. I don't stock my cellar in case everything turns out how I'd like it to, and similarly I don't plan for data shifts that favor my ideology.
Dominic Gray
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Austin Reed
You didn't decry racism, you decried objective measures of ability, PERIOD.
John Thompson
And? What's your point? Oh boy don't tell me that ideology only werks if its epistemological basis is purely on empirical facts. Indeed, we may know that such and such racial differences can be measured, but again, ideology is not purely objective, hence, one must distinguish what is from what ought to be, as what ought to be cannot be measured empirically, right? Surely you must assent to that point no matter how much you disagree with a criticism on objectivity and naturalism.
Jaxson Nguyen
Jesus christ
Austin Moore
If you deny that IQ correlates rock solid with aptitude in countless professional occupations, or worse, that standards of measurement and performance shouldn't be used, you are insane. All successful ideologies are either objective, or parasitic on another ideology that is.
The purpose of socialism isn't to coddle failure and cultivate weakness, it is to protect people who are usually successful from occasional failure, and provide mechanisms for everyone to improve. If you refuse to discern the difference between success and failure, your entire society will be crushed under the weight of sacred cows white elephants.
