Zionism =/= support for Israel's existance

Does anyone think that supporting a one-nation solution to the Israel-Palestine conflict will actually work in reality? I get that large parts of the left are infected with a sort of 'Rockets over Tel Aviv' mentality that stems from a fairly childish understanding of anti-imperialism, but do you really think that driving the Israeli proletariat into the sea is genuinely left-wing politics?


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"anti-zionism" is a spook based on racism against Jews. That's all it is. Driving the Jews into the sea and mischaracterising Israel as a "colonialist" project is fucking stupid.

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I thought that was literally what it meant.

Nice meme, nerd. You didn’t think anyone would let you get away with that, did you?

In any case, in today’s discourse (I used to live both in Palestine and in Israel) “Zionist” refers usually to the far-right of Israeli politics, which is why the centrist “Zionist Union” tried to re-appropriate the term to its more-or-less original sense.

I’ve never met any Palestinian or other anti-Zionist who calls sincerely for the whole driving-into-the-sea business. And there’s a radical difference between being opposed to Zionism (the creation of an ethnoreligious nation state/Western military satellite smack in the middle of the Levant) and wishing to obliterate Israel. The difference between thinking Zionism was an historical mistake and thinking its product and its people should be annihilated.

This is some Netanyahu-tier logic spooks in this thread, fam.

Who is saying that?

First of all, a majority of Israelis hate all this bullshit and just want peace, and would support a two state solution. A vast majority of leftist Israelis probably do the same.

Why? Because Zionism = Jewish determinism which means that Zionism = Support of the Jewish nation state.

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false, they are genuinely too far gone. majority of Israelis now support blatant apartheid and brutal oppression. israeli military chiefs are resigning and saying that the country has become fascist. the israeli labor party leader (the "left wing") says that the labor party can't consist of "arab lovers."

Really? 'Cause Meretz considers itself Zionist.

And maybe you've never run into anyone involved in "pro-Palestine" stuff: which is, almost entirely, an excuse for reactionaries to fly Hamas or ISIS flags, whine about The Jew, and in the case of the Trots who tend to run those things, sell copies of their stupid newspaper.

Which is precisely the original-sense use of “Zionist” I mentioned with Zionist Union. But to identify colloquially as a Zionist is an entirely different matter. The way Meretz and other liberal Zionists use the term is mostly defensive: “Of course I’m a real Zionist, but…”

I think I have a fair understanding of what goes on in “pro-Palestine” circles, seeing as I’ve lived on both sides of the Green Line and have worked in Palestinian advocacy.

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Israel din du nuffin and is a good boy.

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This is true in over 90% of cases. It's good and surprising to see many on Holla Forums are resistant to this very very widespread and powerful spook.


Zionism really just means the support of creating a Jewish nation state. Tons and tons of Zionists support a two-state solution.

Yeah, but, typically, it's the support for the creation a Jewish state in Palestine and/or the greater Levant. It's not like most zionists want, or ever wanted, to establish a Jewish territory on an uninhabited island in the south seas.

Modern so-called "anti-imperialism" is shit, though

The internationalist way is the only way

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This, nationalism obfuscates the class struggle.

jews should get their own state in ukraine

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This. Nationalism has probably been the worst cancer ever to afflict the left.

how does this make sense? internationalism is a form of nationalism. shouldn't they be supporting antinationalism?

Did You know that before WWII anti-zionism was the position of most Jewish socialist parties? That's before state of Israel was even created.

I'm extremely philo-semitic, and even I would be anti-zionist back then.

I think Israel deserves to be destroyed but I understand that's not going to happen at this point. Two state solution would at least stop the killing.

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>(politics) political, economic and cultural cooperation between nations

I don't think you understand. "Nationalism" is not a descriptive term for "something that has to do with nations or nation states"; nationalism means the primary advocacy and policies in favor of putting the nation or nation state first. Internationalism means international solidarity for as long as nations and states exist.

Very well. I still find the term linguistically clumsy and contradictory.

why dont native american reclamation movements try to get land in Antarctica or Masagascar?