Anarcho Communism vs State Communism

What are your thoughts on the divide between state communism/socialism vs anarchism. Is one attainable or preferable to the other? Is anarchy impossible in humans no matter what form it takes?

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Might be worth it if Marx-poster actually engages sectarian anarchist this time

Seriously, go fucking read An Anarchist FAQ and stop bugging us OP. Fucking newfag

I fucking hate the retards that post here. 95% retarded tankies and anarchists that never read an ounce of theory in their life. I wish there were a place exclusively for the well read Anarchists and Marxists that don't want to put up with this bullshit.

but there is

You expected any different from the cesspit of former Holla Forumsyps and anti-degerate/-idpol?

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Statist refuse to consider the state a class because of religious dogma, and thus the state has always consolidated power and exploited worker and shut down actual horizontalism first chance they got.

Thus their praxis is anti-socialist.

But wait! There's more!
They argue that we need this because otherwise we won't be able to defend the revolution.

This ignores the fact, og course, that centralized Marxist militaries have always been infamously inefficient as seen in the winter-war and WWII.

Ironically, they've only ever been good at decentralised guerilla warfare.

So Marxists want to implement something that isn't socialism and has never lead to socialism and is inefficient when it comes to the military, just so the state can consolidate power.

They are either anti-socialists and conscious of it, or they are useful idiots.

I'm pretty sure Anarchism is completely impossible on a large scale. Only in small communities can it exist, and even then there are many implications to consider.

By what meaningful definition is it a class?
Oh, I see.

I'm pretty sure Anarchism is completely impossible on a large scale. Only in small communities can it exist, and even then there are many implications to consider.

I'm pretty sure Communism is completely impossible on a large scale. Only in small communities can it exist, and even then there are many implications to consider.

The one where they exploit and subjugate labour?

/board

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Loosely federated communes motherfucker.

So like one loosely federated commune makes food, one loosely federated commune produces electricity, one loosely federated commune trains doctors and then everybody debates for hundreds of hours what things to get exchanged for what other things and then we all died of hunger?

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I know, right?
Why not implement something that is not socialism and has never lead to socialism when you can have stunning efficiency such as this?

You don't need the bosses, the bosses need you

You realise you don't have to give up central structure altogether.

Have councils/unions/federations/communes whatever and then a monarch

just kidding I mean a democratic central planning structure that is separate from the communes

Yes, that sounds magnificent.
Such an appartus, that fundementally exploits labour would never seek to consolidate power and crush socialism.

That has never, ever happened before. Ever.

Literally how. Keep your dick in your pants and just explain how.

I'm not even here to defend the USSR, but this is just utter shit.

If you actually read about it… There were a lot of technical difficulties (mountains, snow, ice, dense forests, cold) that the Russian army wasn't prepared and trained for. Difficult terrain always favors the defenders who in this case also happened to be specialized for it. Another example would be Switzerland. These are basic rules of war, mind you.

Disgusting, tbh.

Yeah? Isn't that exactly the kind of disorganization that a centralized hierarchy is supposed to take care of? Is that not the excuse as to why we can't have socialism? Could the wise masters not have laid a coherent strategy that had veen a little more efficient than effectively just throwing troops unrelentingly into a meat-grinder?

Taxes. Obligations.

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