Daily reminder that the Kronstadt sailors were murdered for trying to build Communism and the Bolshy apologists will...

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>If you dare suggest that maybe the red army had no right to crush people who were supposed to be their allies you must read holy scripture.

It is better to fail at a revolution that implements socialism, that it is to succeed at one that doesn't.

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Which this book doesn't claim, but it wouldn't use so simplistic statements anyway. Keep being ignorant. This thread is over as far as I'm concerned.

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I'd put a bullet in them myself.

kys tbh fam

You mean like the time the reds deserted Ukraine and left it to the locals to fight off the white horde? :^)

Does helping other socialists militarily mean that the workers have control of the means of production?
I didn't know!
I guess the US is socialist now, because of Lend-Lease

pls kys

This and your historical wanking over events that serve to perpetuate hostility between socialist groups makes me liable to think you're either a clever troll or an authentic moron. Either way, here's an idea: why not cease your desire to make martyrs out of past conflicts and instead try and make a new positive foundation for the kind of theory you champion? One who lives by the words of corpses will not have a life outside of them.

It's the only book that uses all three side's (Makhno, Bolshevik, Whites) material and aims at properly distinguishing between anecdotal, propagandistic sources and historical evidence. It's simply the most comprehensive work available on the topic that debunks both soviet (Makhno a fascist) and anarchist (Makhno din do nuffin wronk) myths.

If you prefer biased sources (soviet state archive only, or Anarchist FAQ approved only, which literally uses Makhno's diary as evidence) be my guest.

You seem to know a lot of this book without actually reading it.

lendlease was not a charity, retard. It was a trade deal.

Makhnovistan and Cancerlonia both deserved to be destroyed tbh

No, you're right. We need to stop counter-revolution. We need to beat up Marxists in the streets.

Okay. I will learn form the past and treat Marxists like the authoritarian scum they are. As the anti-socialists they are. It is not scientiffic to ignore facts.
Thus the Marxist anti-socialist menace must be fought with the same intensity that fascists are.

Anti-leftist reds really are nothing but bootlickers, are they?
Might as well be AnCaps.

I agree! Anarcho-nazi coalition when?

Fucking please.

The bias of the author and the thesis is obvious to anyone who is even remotely familiar with the history of the Ukrainian Revolution.

Also no, the thesis does not employ anarchist sources in any way that is relevant to the study, furthermore, documents from the Black Army are not given the credibility that even white sources are granted, even when the Black Army account is directly more relevant. Sources are selectively missed, ignored, or subordinated to push the author's narrative. In addition, this so called "history book" employs no anarchist secondary sources at all, unless I managed to miss some unknown, untranslated (anarchist) piece that never made it out of a Russian college library.

The only way this shitpaper is different from standard marxist twaddle is that the author is not worried over giving the Whites credibility and so makes liberal use of their claims which are taken at face value.

Oh, and by the way, anarchists don't have an equivalent to the Soviet Party Archive (which has the benefit of pretty much making up anything it pleases), and AFAQ is, for amateur work, quite decently researched. Literally leagues apart in fact, but all you are trying to achieve is to appeal to some middle ground fallacy (that is, appealing to some middle ground between Leninist Unlimited Fabrication and Anarchist Collective Research, which will end somewhere near Whites Maybe Okay) in hopes that Lenin won't seem all that worse by comparison.

Now, go read a book please, ""bookworm"".

ad hominem!

The proletarian state of USSR didn't just wither away indeed: it was quickly CRUSHED by the proto-capitalist society it existed in.
Because the only raison d'être of a proletarian state is to destroy capitalism and install communism, and the bolshevik state FAILED to do so. Take away its material basis and a state indeed disappear.

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Peasants cannot create socialism without the proletariat and vice versa.

No, also "let's sieze the means of production" socialists.

Did I say something about peasants?

You said it was proto-capitalist society that lead to the failture of socialism in the USSR; thus it was the dirty peasants fault for not being proletarians and good enough to be lead by the great philosopher kings of the vanguard party!

No, I said it was proto-capitalist society that crushed the proletarian state and generated a bourgeois state instead.

Wtf?