Military Service and Seeing Combat should be Required To Vote

Knowing and talking to soldiers and ex-soldiers lots.

see: Turkey

I've had plenty of friends in the military who are absolute dumbasses.

Voting should require people take an exam to earn that privilege, emphasis on civics, math, economics, science, etc.

I'm personally for a poll tax.

It doesn't even have to be a lot of money either. $50 would be enough to deter niggers and most uneducated poor folks from voting.

No.

Instead I suggest you are not allowed to vote if you or, any of your relatives up to two levels of consanguinity, are employed by the government, a contractor to the government, receive any kind of government welfare or benefit from any kind of government-sponsored scholarship or research grant.

Paying taxes is what should be required to vote.

think for a second if the system you want was in place the gov in power at that time would fail recruits from other party's and would have full scale indoctrination military's main function would be to create voters at that point

you dont give to gov power to decide who votes.

and this could be so easily turned on you if a democrat got in power and admitted millions to the military and promised them free shit and huge pensions to keep their votes

you dont give to gov power to decide who votes.

Okay, nothing wrong with everyone doing some sort of national service…it wouldn't even have to be military. Repair the damn roads or something.
oh shit! that's what Hitler did, instead of giving the money to the jew banks!!!

So, what, we're supposed to have a war every election cycle?

I was in the military. I got shot at. Neither were related :^)

I'm not a democrat, I don't give a shit about voting. It's not any more legitimate then a poll or a popularity contest or brute fucking force.

And I hate to say it, your mother is worse then just shit. She's shit who has burdened society, unless she makes enough money to care for her veggie pet in the free market somehow. how the fuck is it a sissy though?

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There already is a poll tax. It's the $6-$10 charge it takes in most states to obtain a drivers license or state ID card. And the left is still up in arms about how unfair voter ID laws are.

so you want to dismantle the US constitution and are a traitor just like the current political class?

This one is good.

Damn this is even more kike tier then normal a democracy

Then only morons would be voting.

The constitution failed more then a hundred and fifty years ago. And was not well regarded even when it was written.

what

Exactly the US is one of the few countries that's at continuously at war that could actually make a system like that work and you would be getting the worst pool of voters.

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The government contracts privates organizations to perform that work, user.

How do you propose research grants would be allocated, when a career that allows you a proper understanding of what's being researched excludes you from having a say in their allocation?

And that post also proposed to exclude those contracted by the government as well as those directly employed.

Only skilled tradesmen should have the vote. The modern world runs on our work.

Why should providing a service to the government be punished?

Take away my right to vote and i just watch you twats die without pain meds when you roll into my ER

I think money should go to research that is viable. You don't need grants for that.

If people can vote for their paycheck, they tend to do so.

because if it's penalized, there will be fewer demands for government money and intervention

Agreed, this is one of the most difficult systems for jews to subvert.

Yeah, every single election where they vote against the Democrat and shit like gay marriage by something like a 4 to 1 margin.

Those who pay taxes in a democracy should invariably have a say, with caveats.
For eligibility I would put a minimum cap on taxed income in the low end of the middle class wage range to ensure no welfare or 'i work a day a week at starbucks' faggots have any say

Voting in a democracy should be a right reserved for its members who are supporting the system, not those who are supported by or actively working to destroy said system

5, maybe 10% of the US military sees combat when we're engaged which we aren't technically right now

all this would do is force the government to go to war constantly

FUCK JUST BRING IT BACK TO THE ORIGINAL ARISTOCRATIC REPUBLIC

IT'S THAT EASY

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you are a traitor and should be treated like one.

Either the constitution failed, or it allows what he have now. Pick one.

Bless your heart for actually reading the book user

Shill sliding? Capped and added. Will repost the cap if I see it posted again.

Go fuck yourself OP

You have no clue what the electoral college is, do you?

youtube.com/watch?v=Mt5-TQv0tbg

Very often those who have seen combat are brainwashed in the training process, this makes them lose some human qualities but makes them better soldiers. They basically seem to be very susceptible to do what anyone higher than them in rank tells them.

What should be changed is that only people 30 years old or older are allowed half a vote, if they're 25 years old or older and are married, they get half a vote, if they're 25 years or older and have a child older than 3, they get an entire vote. Women cannot vote. Only 1 vote/family.

If anyone is currently performing any function at the military then they get to vote on military matters. But no general votes unless they meet the requirements outlined above.

Military fetishists are disgusting. There is nothing honorable or noble about being so brainwashed you'd turn against your own race because your CO told you to open fire.

Same with cops. Grow up OP.

ZOGbots deciding elections is probably the worst idea I've ever heard.

Where the fuck is all of this US military worship coming from on this board the last year?

It's an election year along with the belief that Trump will uncuck the military

Just your average romanticized view of serving your country.

Unless his Israel-worship and hostility to Iran is a smokescreen, that seems like the height of delusion.

The US military just needs to go away at this point. The catastrophic, probably irreparable damage they have done to the White race is unforgivable.

I think there should actually be multiple requirements to vote and you need to meet a certain number or have a certain number of points to vote.

Having 2+ children, being married, paying taxes, etc.

It's specifically single/childless women who favor the Left.

The Marriage Gap is bigger than the Gender Gap.

This will only galvanize women into an eternal shitflinging competition with men.

H-how'd I do?

Get fucked. We settled this issue in 1776 for fuck sake.

The best way is to go back to early America. Land owners only. It auto covers taxes. The founders had the right idea if you own something you care more about it. This would also auto exclude those that are a drain on society.

Military, yes. Combat, no.

No. Owning land. Owning more land does not give you more vote. Everyone should own land, land should even be traded under certain circumstances. There is plenty of land but MUH ROADS

I wouldn't require "actually seeing combat"
like if you joined just so you could vote, but got posted to a more peaceful area and never got into an actual battle, you'd be fucked.

Being deployed should be enough, be it overseas or to another state or whatever.

If you enlist in the military you're already prepared to lay down your life for your country.

Plus, how would people be able to "See combat" during relatively peaceful times?

As a veteran of the us military, I will state this. I did far more for this country, time for time, as a civilian than I ever did in the military.

We need food, water, shelter, and thr means to defend it. With those things secured, everything else is luxury or illusionary. Just a bunch of apes trying to fuck but too lost in the idea that we are not apes, to even get fucked! Get fucked everyone. And things.

Still 1 vote per land owner. Only Natural born land owners. By default you have to be productive to be an owner, no more population that never pays taxes and instead drains it.

Also, depending on the service due to classification levels, you might never be officially acknowledged as being "in combat."

That's what we have now, and it was giving women the vote that led to it. Fuck no.

The comparison to Rome is exactly what we need to be thinking about.

The (((U.S. Military))) as it currently exists and functions would never work in OP's plan. A complete restructuring is needed, or at the very least, a phase of drawing back on foreign intervention and cooperation. We might even be better off instilling a more "citizen soldier" attitude among Americans to find a way to serve their country. Again, the military as it exists currently has trouble with this.

I was listening to a podcast where a higher up was trying to push the citizen soldier thing, he seemed pretty annoyed at the lack of enthusiasm for serving that most young people have.

Anyways, it is a step in the right direction. The US has and always will have a strong military identity, so why not make it a larger part of the culture? Service. Fitness. Unity.

Pretty good ideas for voting standards. Fat people shouldn't be allowed to vote either. This might go along with people being more fit and serving their country in one way or another.

I don't see the actual system of government changing in the US anytime soon user, sorry. What we can attempt to change is the culture and the standards for voting, so focus on that.

BSR's should be euthanized humanely by suffocating them with an inert gas.

Also, 8ch.net/bsr/

Fucking niggers i swear to god.

Oh lord I can already hear the screeching Tumblr landwhales

Or we could just stop letting women and minorities vote like back in the days when western civilization still had a modicum of agency and sanity.

Only give people the right to vote who have served in non combat roles. Combat roles are mostly filled with dumb fucks. There is a considerable difference in intelligence between grunts and specialists.

No the only requirement should be having a job.

An exam won't succeed in filtering out retards at all anymore than graduating highschool or even university proves you aren't a total fucktard.

only salves of israel may vote?

seems a bit silly

my personal preference would be being a net payer of taxes, over 18 and having to sit an exam on the policies of the various parties

seriously? retards can pass exams?

Yes.

No. After a generation of peace, no one would be allowed to vote.

That's college. Not the military. Look at the number of Trump supporters in the military compared to your local university.

Do as the Rhodesians did, if you were a worthless piece of shit you don't get a vote.

I'd gladly sweep an asteroid in the middle of nowhere for a few years in return for a vote

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And you vote too

You have definitely made your point

The Constitution isn't a fucking suicide pact.

this is fucking stupid.

youll end up with only brutes voting and smart nerds dying off.

unless you have the nerds flying the drones and you consider that combat.

Get a reality check. Before we cucked our military to infinity, most of our talent at one point was enlisted.

Thread needs more Heinlein.

“To vote is to wield authority, it is the supreme authority from which all other authority derives. Such as mine to make your lives miserable once a day. Force if you will! The franchise is force, naked and raw, the Power of the Rods and the Ax. Whether it is exerted by ten men or by ten billion, political authority is force."

Robert Heinlein, Starship Troopers.

The No Child Left Behind law was passed to push retarded blacks through public education.

well op wants everyone to see COMBAT first.

all im saying is skinny nerds die off in combat faster than "brutes".

why would you send a nuclear physicist off to war when he should be at home designing the weapons?

oh wait but according to op thats not enough to be allowed to vote kek.

If far more than that.
Right now anyone can vote. Volunteering to the military is putting your neck on the line. Furthermore you have to pass a psych eval, and play well with others or else wash out. You have to be at least moderately balanced to make it through training.
Poindexter probably can't make it, sure. That's good. Actual non-hollywood smart people aren't effeminate twigs. The effeminate twigs only seem to have big heads because their chests, pride in physical health, are so small.
There needs to be a barrier between the actively thinking and the passively consuming. Too often people vote for comfort than an intelligent option. A democracy that can't suffer a real world equivalent of an Endless September.

Not really.
No, you don't.
Not really.

drafted

No it should be property owners who can vote, as was originally set up in the Constitution. The property owners are the ones who pay the most in taxes and give to the community in that way and should be the only ones allowed to vote.

Think of it like this:

I live in a suburb, outside of Detroit, and own rental properties within the city of Detroit. I'm not allowed to vote in Detroit elections, but my renters are allowed to vote. Despite the fact that I'm paying property taxes to the city, I'm limited to voting in my city of residence while the renters can vote for corrupt niggers to mismanage my taxes.

How is this logical at all? I am finding the city and yet I'm not allowed to vote there. It's ridiculous and being in the military isn't reason enough to justify a nigger having more say in a city they don't pay a thin dime to. I'm a vet too, so while I can appreciate the sentiment that military service is a valuable contribution, enough to justify earning a vote, it isn't enough in my experience.

That may have worked when we had a clean slate but now I'm not sure.

have you ever been in the military man?

I hate to say it but a lot of these dudes are straight retards.

Just because Tyrone went to the sandbox doesn't mean he's more qualified to vote then some white guy who owns a business.

I guess you just read starship troopers.

Here's the flaw with that method of voting: that only works if we're expansionist and always at war.

Not police action, but serious war where there's a chance of being killed.

Our current wars see soldiers safer than the police back home, so as we're not really expanding (nowhere non shitty to expand to) the military will just get filled by Jews.

Better idea would be for example:
Only people who pay a (flat) tax get to vote on how the government will spend the tax revenue.

People who don't pay taxes don't get to vote, period.

I agree with this here, but were this practice implemented tomorrow, who do you think currently owns most of the property in the US?

who do you think would instantly buy up any land they didn't own to secure their complete dominance of the vote?

I think one of the magical pre requisites for the star ship troopers form of government was how the government basically devoted all of its attention towards making a mythical 100% streamlined military with no slack left anywhere.

They used a estimate how there were only 5-10% officers whereas today there are 25-30%

They were also willing to accept massive casualties compared to today.

They had significant training casualties and basically sent troopers on terrorist suicide missions with low chance of return.

Today we lose our shit if a logistics MOS gets a paper cut.

The issue here is in many countries the property prices are ludicrously high thanks to the nosed enemy

My country is experiencing a massive property bubble at the moment, in which you would have me purchase said property to only suffer financial ruin when it deflates and im left holding a 400+k loan on a piece of property that’s now worth 2/3 or even half that.
This system would only keep the jews in control as they would have no issue with throwing around money to ensure god goy have votes while also controlling the banking systems which then restrain the bad goy.

sounds like a pretty fucking retarded idea to me

I thought the classroom scene in the book was cute when the girl was talking about how shocking it was that people from our century didn't execute criminals on their third offense or something.

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Once you're 18:

-If you go into the military, complete 2 years honorably and you're allowed to vote
-If you go into the civilian corps (organization to pay you to be infrastructure building grunts), complete 2 years honorably and you're allowed to vote

If you don't do either of these things, you don't gain the right to vote until you're 35, the age to qualify to run for President

Nor do you have the right to draw welfare or health benefits. (Health benefits available if you're currently in either service)

No, the one good point Starship Troopers had was that just giving people the right to vote just because they're alive is retarded.

Most military conscripts are lowest tiers of society, unless you have finished military academy you are less worth than a burger flipper.

I'm VERY OK WITH THIS

I'm EVEN MORE OK WITH THIS

That has more to do with the fact that America is really stupid in an age where literacy is higher than it has ever been. There were a lot of very intelligent and well-read people that served in military at one point or another, historically speaking. In fact all great leaders knew how to kill a man.

Personally, if you're going to have a fucking ballot box, I believe military service or training among other things can be at least one of the criteria to vote. But consider this: on one end you have dopey soldiers and on the other you have "intellectuals" in ivory towers. Both are potentially retarded in my opinion but it's unanimously the so-called intellectuals that are ruining society while the dopey soldier protects them.

At any rate:

we could just end Women's Suffrage and go back to land-owning white males

why try and beat around the bush? we don't want women or niggers voting, spics too

maybe let Asians vote after the age of 30.

Only Anglo-Saxon men should vote

Tomato niggers should be deported

Imo only people connecting with the media or financial sector should be able to vote, they are the most selfless and trustworthy

Nature and thus man are inherently hierarchical. A natural "aristocracy" based on merit and will to sacrifice for something beyond themselves is an ideal society that's attainable. The problem with past aristocracies is that they are easily corruptible/infiltrated (jews interbred with nobles) and easily betray if it means retaining their status and rank (or some semblance of it). In Germany, a lot of traitors were of aristocratic or intellectual origin.

– Hitler's Revolution

This is the problem with aristocracies as a class all their own, one that's unattainable unless by familial ties (nepotism). You might find much better people in ranks well below theirs.

The thing about women voting is that it's redundant. In any household that isn't insane, she would vote the same as her husband, so there's really no point to have it when couples are concerned.

The real problem with Women's Suffrage was its original intent, and that intent was that it wouldn't stop there. Soon everything was universalized and now you have a multitude of idiots voting for people a bit less stupid than they are.

Fuck that shit. We need an elective monarchy. The king would be chosen by a council of important people. One of them would have to have the military rank of Either General, or Admiral. I haven't really though about he others. Regular people can vote for local officials

hold on a moment while I go light the oven for you.

The only problem I have with racial, gender, and social status restrictions on voting is that progressive and cultural marxist politics could easily undermine these rules. Furthermore it will encourage suffrage movements and play on the vile sympathies of "equality."

In order to get around this it is ideal that the right to vote is granted by civil service of some form. The minimum should be 2 years of hard labor for the state. Rebuilding roads, rebuilding infrastructure, managing state sponsored events etc. The alternative requirement would be 4 years of soft labor. Meaning after an adult completes his/her higher education he/she can apply for a federal assignment where the government believes he/she will be most useful. Upon completion of this the citizen will be permanently labelled as a "Good Samaritan" and will receive higher citizenship status.

What will happen is that some women and some minorities will get the right to vote, but the overwhelming majority of the electorate would be white males who recognize the value of service. Furthermore these service years will be ingrained by default to military service so in the electorate there will be an extreme right wing bias.

Thus if any suffrage movements comes along their argument won't play on the emotional rhetoric of equality, but simply disenfranchisement. To which the opponents of the suffrage movements would say "If citizens feel disenfranchised they can work to earn the right to vote equally and freely with the full support of the federal government."

However the foreseeable problems with that is the possibility of some bleeding heart senators passing a law loosening the civil service required to earn the right to vote. In which case enlisting in the military, becoming a police officer, a fireman, or a general civil servant of significant importance should be an iron prerequisite. This is just a suggestion though, and I lean towards the Good Samaritan approach mixed with this.

This then leaves another problem of taxes, in which many citizens would revolt under the claim "taxation without representation." In which case I believe the lower house of congress should remain completely democratic as they have the power to allocate funds. This should quell any dissent about taxes.

So the solution is:

A bicameral legislature with the upper body represented by civil servants/Good Samaritans.

A lower body represented by tax payers. *not supported by welfare or have committed a federal crime

An executive branch yet again elected by civil servants/Good Samaritans.

Though all of this would be in vain without a considerable control of the media. However this almost always results in state corruption. Therefore I believe an independent government entity should be created, a fourth branch, in which the leader is democratically elected by the entire population of adults over 30. Their role will be to actively investigate the government for inconsistencies, corruption, and inefficiency. They will control all national news and coordinate with local independently owned news companies on serious domestic events. Foreign events will be met with same unbiased coverage regardless of perceived geo-political panic it may generate. In a government in which the right to vote is earned it is critical that the power bestowed by the electorate isn't abused. Their job is to tell the truth, responsibly give unbiased information to the public, and expose liars in the republic.

The leaders of this 4th branch will also receive protection from a force independent from the military but selected from it.

Fuck no.

Land owning males.

TRUE SOLUTION

OP, you're missing an intuitive vision of the future, necessary combat will produce a 1984-esque world.

* Mandatory National Service
* European-only vote
* 16 years old+ (I'll explain this later)
* One vote per household, male
* Married
* Must pay taxes

You must also have a practical way of achieving these goals, so let's plan the way of removing voting rights. I want to clarify that I'm not an American.

First, a draft must be introduced, you can opt-out, but if you do then you lose all voting rights. Eventually, it must be made obligatory to prevent rebellion.
The previous measure will improve discipline among the populace which will make them 75% (aprox.) to vote for a more authoritarian candidate.

European-only vote is a hard implementation if done directly, but it should be easy to pass it through "checkpoints" such as, welfare recipients can't vote, people who have not graduated from high school and people with a criminal record. You have now eliminated a big percentage of non-European voters; combined with a hidden eugenics program you can implement this policy.

Youth is naturally rebellious, so giving them more rights will make them more content. Lowering the age to 16 (where puberty is almost ending) while promoting discipline will ensure a more responsible adulthood.

One vote per household, a return to an elective monarchy (without serfdom, slavery, etc.) will improve the decision-skills of many citizens, responsibility, and it will be overall a more efficient system, since the disputes would be solved privately within the family and not in public spaces. If you're not content with the choices that your family made, then you abandon it and start your own.

The populace should be ideally engaged at around 16 years old, even though girls have healthier children when they are around 20-25 years old. If a man with 16 years old is able to take care of his wife and his children, then he is responsible enough to make voting decisions.

Paying taxes is self-explanatory, to have a say on the government then you must first cooperate with it.

How in the fuck is that like our current system?

replace your larping military ranks with general political titles and shit is the same, people voting for people representatives who inturn vote upwards.

I hate summer

1. The problem with your policy is that if there is no combat (an IDEAL situation), no one gets to vote. Mandatory military service has its merits and downsides, but mandatory combat encourages aggression, which is a pretty bad foreign policy.

2. Choosing a candidate based on what will and won't offend people is retarded. Your votes are secret. No one can tell if you voted for the most offensive person there is.

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I never knew this occurred and it is bullshit.

I agree with you. Only those who have served in combat should be allowed to vote.

It will restrict voting to white masculine courageous men.

Correct.

Ethnocentrically-Nationalistic
+ Ethnocentric Governance
+ Homogenous (European) Population
+ Miscegenation Laws at Borders; no need within interior (no non-Europeans)
+ Ethnically European immigration only; limited work or travel visas in border zones

Authoritarian
+ Government oversight of media, education and economy
+ Media: Limited censorship
=> Benefit-Based (ex. positive portrayal of fags = no benefit, removed)
+ Education: Instill national and ethnic pride, sense of duty to self, kin and nation
=> Youth outreach programs (scouts), supportive media
=> Address ALL material, in educational format (covering flaws)
=> Basic biological education course at 13; no 'sex ed'
+ Economy: National Socialist principles
=> No interest-based lending
=> Government oversight of industry (benefit-based investment)

Meritocratic Constitutional Republic
+ Constitution dictating basic foundations of nation-state, governance
+ Off-World Expansion to Uninhabited Areas: Foundational column
+ Strictly enforced representative term of service limitations
+ Representative selection meritocratically-driven according to pre-determined (unalterable) factors
- Baseline Inherent Trait Requirement
=> Must be ethnically European
=> Must be male, or a mother of 3+ children to a single father (adult, living)
=> Minimum IQ 115
=> Must have franchise
=> Must be 40 or older
- Military/Service Record
- Education/Accomplishment(Contribution-Based)
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- Strict Amendment Limitations
+ Time Required For Amendment
=> 10 years from introduction (?)
=> After 10 years, examined
-> If not passed, 10 year period must pass before reintroduction
+ 9/10ths Majority required to Amend

- Limited Franchise
+ Hazardous Service
=> Military
- Traditional Military Service, Off-World Expansion
=> Non-Military
- High-Risk; Testing, Research, Frontier Off-World Expansion
=> Anyone can serve; position variable
=> Position determined based upon physical/psychological requirements
+ Innate Male Preference
=> Phys/psych requirements on male baseline

- National-Socialist Economic Principles
+ Initially Implemented
+ Variable Time Frame, Based Upon Success

…. Needs work.

Absolutely

Fuck no. Even if we did wage perpetual war, there is only one earth and no means to get off it, so eventually conquest ends.

Polls amongst the US military show that the majority of it is nationalist as fuck.

Most people wouldn't fire on American citizens, etc.

Not wanting to fight bullshit bush wars for corporate interests = beta male faggot, I guess

History proves you wrong.

When it comes down to it lad the soldiers are just federal workers and unless it was in their home state where they'd risk shooting friends/family, they'd shoot you dead if the government told them to

That's where you're wrong mein bruder.

The Universe is ours for the taking, and whether it be conflict with the hazards of space exploration or conflict with hostile xenos, there will always be need in such a vein.
The wars for survival upon Holy Terra must spills to the stars, or we face only stagnation and death.

Originally, only land-owning white males were allowed to vote. I don't know if there was an age limit. Basically, in our current time, only white males over the age of 25 should be allowed to vote. This simplifies things, keeps the idea of only the smartest, most logical segment being allowed to vote, and gives power back to whites. The land-owning part ensured that voters had stake in the US so people with nothing couldn't vote to steal from people with something, but I think that part complicates things in many ways. And what about those who rent? Etc.

We were never meant to live in total democracy (mob rule). The idea of 18 year old nigger wymyn who dropped out of high school and live on welfare, being able to vote, is sickening. OP, your arbitrary requirement for voting is silly though.

Yeah I'm sure the pissed off white nationalist southerners that make up most of the infantry are going to listen to orders from their new faggot affirmative action COs when they tell them to gun down their friends and family.

Once we figure out a way to get off this rock, and colonize other worlds, sure, I'd go for it.
But once Earths nations are conquered, there aren't any more enemies. Conquest only lasts as long as there are enemies and new lands to take.

Unless you wanna do the Spartan thing and beat the shit out another nation every couple of years, but not seize territory.

It is never their friends and family, its someone else's.

I'd like to believe there aren't a large number of grunts out there who wouldn't open up on their own… But I dunno man.

It shouldn't be that way.

NO, because there was a huge gap of time between 1975 and 1991 where the US wasn't involved in any wars and it would be STUPID AS HELL to give the government the incentive of creating costly, pointless, and stupid wars in order to create new voters.

I wouldn't say most grunts are white nationalist, but quite a few are southern and white, and alot are American patriots.

When they know that there are more guns than people out there and that they are going to die at some point because fighting heavily armed people on their home turf is a suicide mission?

Actually, in retrospect, I think alot of grunts would shoot Americans. Liberal and leftists Americans.

Well that's the thing, US Military vs any insurgency (when the US Military is unleashed, and not the whipping boy of politicians) is going to result in a Military victory.

Us taking thatath is what will create the means you describe.
The means should not come before we've made the decision to approach it so, or you're not getti g a Federation bro, you're getting Weyland-Yutani.

Nothing else you said has any value - no offense, it had meaning surely, but no value beyond the limtiations you impose without warrant.

*that path

Most of them would desert anyway the government has done drills (gee I wonder why?) to see how this would play out for them. It doesn't end well for the government. It only takes one pissed off veteran and his redneck buddies to completely fuck the government in a big way.

You can't bomb your own country that doesn't end well for you. You would need to fight with infantry or you risk the entire country and most of your armed forces coming to hang you from a lamppost.

Yes because that is their job, and if you're not a family member or friend they will shoot to kill.

Voting doesn't matter, it never mattered.

Making the requirement to fight jew wars won't help shit

I disagree as nations that do that never work. 50 years of peace creates a small political elite. Combat is not a basis of right choices, it's the understanding that you made bad ones.

You can't occupy the continental US. Most of the civilians have more experience using firearms than the army.

You don't need to know 2+2 to vote, voting should be biased on what you know. You can vote on issues in your field of expertise

In that case, the trouble is in identifying which is which, which may not always be so easy.

But really, I think you're underestimating the potentials - would you kill for the sake of your family?
Would you kill mine, even if we were countrymen and patriots both?
Would you do it if some Jew or nigger had a gun to your head, and another to your wife's or son's?
Not likely to be a literal condition, I grant you, but if the same consequences are met either way, it doesn't matter.

I was in that thread - in fact, some of that may have ben in reply to me.

But remember, I said these troops would likely fire on their own in many cases.
I never said those they serve would win.

tfw almost everything describing 'Tom' also fits you well.

Come on now mate that's just retarded

The ones that don't desert? Sure but they aren't going to be able to field much of a fighting force when 40% of the military leaves and takes a bunch of munitions and experience with them.

Is it? Most grunts go through physical training learn the basics of how to use their firearm and then are sent to some military base to stand around and then play video games on their time off. All of the people who actually get shit done would not comply with an order to fire on US citizens.

If you take away 40%, what's left?

If conditions were such that 40% left, think they could find as many raw recruits from the populace in response to the conditions creating the situation?
I wager they could.

To what effect is unclear, but they could, and would, do it.

Oh I'm sure that would work wonders for them what with just giving away munitions and training to the rebels.

And then the same thing would happen again. This argument has happened on the chans for many years in a hypothetical SHTF situation. The military would lose, can't bomb your own cities or your own countryside without facing a starving angry army at the end, rebel forces or jack boots it wouldn't matter. If the farms go away, and the cities go away, then everyone loses.

Wait is that pic implying that the military has simulations that fucking indepth?

That sounds like a sci fi game.

The idea of citizenship requires service is based on assumption that force is the ultimate authority. This true, but not the WHOLE truth. The philosophy of Starship Troopers neglected the incredibly importance of persuasion within a state.

In ancient Greece, all men were equal under the democracy. You had only you skills at persuasion to get things you wanted passed through the vote. So, the most intelligent, charismatic speakers were the ones who tended to get their way, and the state would flourish because of it.

So, there was a strong predisposition to become educated and practice public speaking, because the more persuasive you were and the better you defended your position, the more likely you'd get things you wanted passed. This ALSO meant however you were trying to persuade other free men who were likewise educating themselves to advance their own interests, so you'd have to be very convincing indeed to sway their vote.

Most successful states have relied on persuasion first, because persuasion encourages education and oratory, the sharing and debating of ideas. Force remains the 'ultimate' authority, but it was generally considered a failure to have to resort to using it against free citizens of that state. This extremely important point is completely overlooked in Starship Troopers, even in the books, which makes it a somewhat shallow political commentary.

It's probably just a pen and paper hypothetical like D&D for governments except instead of having fun the government just gets increasingly worried about pissing everyone off to the point that they actually rebel against you.

No, owning land should be the requirement to vote

The Helots got a few words to say to you. As well as pretty much any other city state in Greece other than Athens and those descended or affected by it.

Shit, the most important state to come from Greece was Makedon, and it was a Monarchy.

I will correct myself to land owning men. And true, this is mostly based on Sparta and Athens, because they were the most powerful and influential of the city-states, most likely because they adhered to these general ideas.

He doesn't make it seem like a pen and paper game

In an ideal world, the only people who should be able to vote are white males who pay taxes.

Well who knows I don't work for the government that's just what I would do if I needed to see if the government could win a civil war.

Large portions of the population would have no issue whatsoever with the military if it was, say, Trump supporters, who were being fired upon ,and would gladly (though foolishly, naively) join up to that end.

The discussion, when well had, always ends with 'It depends on the context'.
Though I would suggest the true finality to it would be 'Granted, those controlling such a faction invariably lose', for the reasons you stated.

But don't for a second think insane globalist leftists, or pinko jews, won't happily lead us into such straits if it suits them and they have the means - even if they don't think they'll win, the insane maggots might well give it a go.

Again, I never said they would win, I just said they would fight.
And with 60% of the military and a buncha leftist indoctrinate recruits, it could well be a damn hard, damn long, fight.

That's not THAT in depth dude, there are vidya near-equivalents already extant for the consumer market.

You think the US fucking military can't afford some coders for a particularly advanced simulation?

That's retarded.

Because more than half of the country being killed by the government isn't something that would piss people off. You are fucking retarded.

I'm just mad that the military gets what sounds like dwarf fortress: Civil War.

Idk man, they've proven time and time again that they're smart and when not to over play their hand. Like right now, giving the election to Clinton when America voted Trump would start what we've all been masturbating about on these chinese finger painting boards since the liberals started cucking us.

It would be suicide imo, because never before have this many people been riled up. It would get so messy for them so quickly that they wouldn't even have a chance to count their last shekels in peace.

Those who still believe reform and voting are the answer to this anti white globalism are far away from waking up.

Thats a straw man and you know it.

Indeed.

But people, especially our opponents, are oft naïve, idealistic, and above all, stupid.

Never question whether or not such is a viable mixture for war - history has shown us time and time again that such is entirely possible, frighteningly so.

It's okay though, they're more than likely just going to let us win this time and quietly go back, just like the tacos.

When it comes down to it these people are cowards just like the mexicans. Infact, most people in the US are pussified betas. This includes minorities.. That was the plan mind you, make all the males emasculated and effeminate so no one has the balls to stand up for themselves.

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I question this tbh fam.

I don't think we're at the point now wherein those behind the scenes would make such a move as to, say, attempt a coup or a revolution in the event of a Trump victory… Buuuut, again, our opposition are oft idealistic, naive and downright stupid, so in that context?

… I dunno.

No, no, no, its

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Well if your worst enemy go into office and pointed his finger at you, you'd want to gtfo as soon as possible. He will name them if they don't play ball, he's gonna do it to Mexico, he'll sure as fuck do it to the former overlords. Why do you think they've been shilling so hard against him and are gonna use every single dirty trick in their playbook short of rigging the election? They know how this story ends if they try to fight back tooth and nail.

KEK wills it, this is the end of the bad times and beginning of the good times.

A cornered rat fights hardest.

Remember the stupidity, naivety and idealism I keep talking about on behalf of those same people?

Look, one way or the other m80, I hate to burst your bubble but… If Trump wins, if Trump doesn't win, the 'good times' are not here, are not going to be here probably in your lifetime.
What we're facing now is the hard times.
The hard times are coming, and one way or another, we are going to have to weather the storm.

Our demographic is dying, and if Trump can pull us out of it, then by Almighty God, we will have a fight on this continent the likes of which has never been seen in the effort to take back what is ours.

And if he can't, or we don't win, whether we have a fight about it or not, there will be hard, perhaps harder, times ahead.

Oh, and Praise Kek.

Shouldn't buy into the defeatist meme user, this Country is capable of great things when things get shitty, and believe me things are shitty. We've been having the hard times since the late 80s and now it's all boiling over the pot.

So now comes the clean up after the mess has been made. Things will be different, they have to be.

Oh, it aint about defeatism mein Aryan.

I think we're going to have a war.

And it will be terrible and glorious and remind the world why they once feared the man with the white skin.

But it ain't gonna be the good times, by any measure.
Now is not the time for good.

That comes later.

Even if there is a war I don't really know where it could/would happen. Maybe here, maybe in bumfuck nowhere again for the 3rd time. But whatever happens at least we've done all we can to salvage what the cucks destroyed.

No, user

I do not wish to salvage anything.

I wish to build something new.

Something better, new and old intertwined into the matrix of a new existence for Man.

Can we please at least end the practice of libshit parents voting twice or more because they have a few brainless sissy retards on leash?

aka exactly the case we have right now anyways?

It would keep all the dysgenic chaff out who can't complete military training.

Isn't this another way of saying only people who vote for the status quo should be allowed to vote?

What I should have proposed is that you can only vote if you meet a certain minimal standards that makes you combat ready. I don't think fatties and any other obviously defective subhumans should have a vote. You should be able to prove you can do basic shit that proves you're a fit human being.

Well, if you're a fan of peace (I'm not) you could say it's an incentive for the government to maintain constant never-ending peace and not start up bullshit wars anymore; they can then retain control indefinitely as nobody will be able to vote.

People who are actually intelligent, are as a rule, reasonably fit. The idea that only sickly dysgenic "nerds" are intelligent is bullshit the jews made up so they'd be accepted by society more. The vast majority of STEM graduates I've seen are all /fit/.

What if democracy isn't what's best for the white people?

It seems highly easily to manipulate and gain control over.

Why should business people be allowed to vote? They spend too much time on their businesses to know how a government should be run.

Asians shouldn't even be in the fucking country to begin with you race traitor weeaboo.

Haha.

No.

Which is why marines today wear heels to support feminism.
Yeah, colour me surprised that some 60+ year olds (vets) are sorta redpilled.

No, because that means that your country has to exist in a constant state of warfare in order for people to have a fair chance. In peacetime, you'd have to invent wars.

you have never been in the military

bluepilled faggots, bix nooding niggers, and spics who joined for easy citizenship everywhere.

Seeing combat is a stupid requirement as it's pretty random what unit you go to, ive been trying to get deployed for 5 years now and I may just get my chance to go to Iraq in November or December

But we know that simulations aren't that useful to such a scenario. We don't know anything about what it's based on (probably shit) and we don't know the conditions (probably unrealistic.)

This is the government we're talking about.

Absolutely retarded reasoning user. Just because you conquer the whole Earth and own all the territory doesn't mean there's an end of war; and no, I am not suggesting we'd be going to war with alien factions beyond the Earth. There would be constant wars to be fought within the empire, against generation after generation of degenerates, traitors, rebels, etc.

You definitely should not be allowed to vote.

Wars don't have to be costly and pointless.

I never vote anyways / only vote for joke parties if I do vote. u mad?

Is Starship Troopers somehow related to Warhammer 40k or whatever that game is called?

Democracy is shit but it's hard still to convince even Holla Forums users to embrace Absolute Monarchy already.

kek
Baby's first reading of Starship Troopers?

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No taxation without representation. This fucking statement implies the reversed statement to be true:
No representation without taxation.

I have never read it before and only heard about it after making this thread from people like you.

I strongly disagree.

I wouldn't mind if the President needed to have some formal officer training or other practical military experience since he'd be in control of the army, but as far as voting, just restrict it to landed voting and America would be fixed in no time.

They do if they're started during a near-20-year era of peace because it's the only way to register new voters

Some of you have only known constant war so the idea of active military service as a qualification for voting sounds reasonable, but historically the US HAS had eras of peace—and the 1975 - 1991 era COULD HAVE BEEN a 1950 - 1991 era if the US hadn't gotten involved in the pointless and costly Vietnam war.

There's several reasons why requiring enlistment for voting rights presents problems.

A better metric would be financial solvency. If you are too retarded to balance your fucking bank account you are too retarded to vote. I'm not saying those in debt shouldn't be allowed to vote. But those who are negligent on their bills shouldn't be allowed to weigh in on votes that will affect the financial future of the country. Any and all forms of welfare should also be disqualifying.

I wish there were a way to require redditors to learn shit before posting here.

No it doesn't??? It implies that taxation can only be justified by representation. That statement by no means implies anything beyond that.

There's always subhumans and degenerates to kill, always wars to be waged. Fuck peace.

Maybe if I was a redditor I'd know that shit but I've only browsed imageboards for a good long decade.

White and male, those are the only two criteria you need to vet a large group of voters. Focusing on anything but racial purity is nothing more than a mental exercise. Socialist, capitalist, fascist, none of that matters.

Highly socialist Sweden and highly individualistic 1800's America both worked to achieve similarly high quality societies. Germany became an economic powerhouse within 10 years of removing the undesirables. All wildly differing systems of government, but powered by racial purity.

Russia, once its power was usurped by Jews, lost the societal trust necessary to white society and as such and failed to achieve the peak societies that other white countries achieved. South Africa post apartheid fell apart. Our enemies know that and it's why there's a huge push to limit white birth rates and dilute our gene pool with migrants.

OP here and I agree with you. If we're going to have a vote at all (I don't think we should, I believe that one should meditate and pray for a long time and request the divine backing of god to become the leader of your people, and then take it by force or whatever way god shows you to). The whole voting thing serves no function but to protect a status quo and let people feel they can wait until another election to have things changed and to give the illusion of choice and power. If we must continue to have a system of voting to pacify the masses, it ought to be changed though so it's only white males doing it.

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your idea sounds shit

What is: the draft?