Are you aware that you're being indoctrinated into wanting to "smash the fash"...

We're not antifa, but generally aren't fans of nationalism.

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I have no idea what the point of this ridiculous thread is but it's obviously impossible to be a Nazi without being anti-communist. Judging by the responses to this thread though you might just garner some sympathy here. This board has suffered a lot for failing to persecute market socialists and other right-wing elements.

I'm not really racist. Like at all. I believe in the inherent value of people. In fact, I see some democratic movements as being race-based (BLM, national liberation movements). Don't forget that nationalism was born out of liberalism. It's mad, but the conservatives of 1848 were against nationalism because it threatened their power. I will reply more since I see good response.

BLM is in no way democratic.

Are you actually retarded?

Holla Forums is largely neo-con, uneducated Trump supporters and free-market advocates. I doubt there's 1% of fascists there.

I am anti-capitalist, but I don't believe in the communist magic economics either. I'm pretty sure there would be some hierarchy in every possible society but still there's a ton of stuff we can fix.

Talk about intellectual honesty. I will defend truth even if it means that my "movement" loses.

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It doesn't really matter if we've been indoctrinated to think 2+2=4 if it's true does it. You can look at history for real reasons to not like fascists and find out that it doesn't actually matter if people taught you to hate them. As it turns out they're not worth liking.

Being against classes isn't materialistic at all. Classes exist. I believe in taking the best of what's there to make better stuff, not engaging in endless social engineering according to muh hypotheticals.

speak for yourslef

As a former neo-nazi, I'm completely fine with killing fascists. You have a goal that includes killing us, and pretty much anyone else you deem undesirable, in my time as a fascist puppet i attacked people purely on a racial bias, and was nearly killed doing it.

Given the chance we would hang you and leave you to rot, same as you would do to us.

That's basically the libertarian argument for communism. And I find it more substantial than yours against fascism, but still it doesn't compel me.

fascism

This is seriously the worst thing I've read on Holla Forums so far.

Also socialism.

you haven't really changed have you?

Just because you were a racist idiot, doesn't mean that I am. I am friendly even to Paki (possibly illegal) immigrants you cunt. I won't take it out on them. I do hate some people though, but they're of the same color and nationality as me.

Propaganda to get useful idiots to vote for you.

The ideals are valid, even if the leaders of those movements often betrayed those ideals.

It's idealism to the extreme.
Just look at the Soviet Union. Truth be told, at some point they came to their senses. I think some of you here would be more like Pol Pot.

You support racist cunts that, if given the chance would kill me, my friends, my family, my comrades or imprison me. I dont give a shit if you arnt racist, i dont care if your are one of the nicest friendliest people in the fucking world, you support people and a system that has a direct physical agenda of violence against me and people like me, so i see no problem in seeing and the people you support dead.

I would extend the argument to the USSR as well for their totalitarian policies and treatment of anarchists. But again, the point was that despite your personal feelings towards socialists, there is a history of fascists being shitty people towards that certain group. I'd love to know of a fascist that wasn't anti-communist or anti-anarchist.

I don't want to kill anyone based on their race. I do hate liberalism though and racial groups are often used in that agenda.

I am anti-communist simply because they want to form a party and kill me and anti-anarchist because they try to beat me up for wearing the wrong shirt. Some I find brilliant on a personal level.

On the bright side, Holla Forums has at least been coming around to the fact that capitalism is an inherently shitty system.
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How is wanting to abolish classes idealism? Do you even know what idealism means?

I don't hate you…….but you will be thrown in the Gulag.

Rigid social classes would be "abolished" (damn I hate this word - stop appropriating words!) with fascism too - in a less genocidal way.

I know what idealism is. I wish Lenin did so that he would realize it when he was out of touch with reality.

This thread gave me autism

I do appreciate your fashy commitment to the hammer & sickle, but why not commit to something more tangible? I bet you've never used a sickle in your life. I have reservations about the hammer though.

You dumb faggot. We're not looking to get rid of "rigid" class systems, but classes altogether. You can already move about social classes under capitalism; we're not advocating for that.

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That's pretty funny.

I feel like you're getting lost in your metaphysics. Do you wanna do something or maybe write another book on class theory? When it's not enough you can move to patriarchy and eventually the fascist Big bang that brought us into existence.

Making class structure less cemented is only a temporary fix though, since those in the highest "caste" will try to cement it again.

Alright tough boy try tell me that to my face, you faceless hero.

I'm not a fascist but you're just trying and failing.

stale meme, there never was a doubt over there actually

Here's a good alternative symbol for nationalists opposed to capitalism.

Vote Leave lad

Fair enough. Just supports my argument that they could be useful allies if utilized properly.

I really doubt majority of Holla Forums hold turd positionist views. I remrmber when some Holla Forums nazbol thread was linked here. The responses there weren't too favourable, to say at least.

I'm not a britbong matey

I've seen that, not bad. Nationalists may hate me equally to communists though, because I don't really like traditional nationalism and right-wing patriotism, like flag-waving and stuff. Also that kind of patriot usually sides with the mainstream "cuckservatives". But I understand you're speaking of more hardcore, working-class, organic patriots. It just sucks that the former generally dominate the latter.

Come home friend.
/third.positionist/

>I am an follower of an idea that wants to get rid of degenerates and make a country in a totalitarian state.
Why are you even a Fascist?

The "other side of the story" being the horrors of the 20th century?

Yeah, no thanks. Fuck off and die, fashy.

Again, I don't the "historical horrors" argument works in your favour, but still, use it.

Stalin's fascism is certainly part of those horrors.

Again, please fuck off and die.

Why not join the Union of Fascists to reclaim your property, fam?

But answering your question, It might be that I don't yet feel threatened by you. In a revolutionary situation, I believe I would be threatened by communist militants and oppose them.

Oh no, you didn't.

Are you trying to tell me I'm being indoctrinated into not wanting to have people force their agenda on me?

People are forcing their agenda on you right now, and it ain't the fascists. Although they're "fascist", in the new meta-speech. P.S. You're not a Catholic, are you?

Hey, you know what that sounds like?

Its allready mine.

What about the Degenerates? Allow them to exist or something?

Crimean tatars say hello

What the fuck is "organic" about people on the Internet fantasizing over obscure racial theories and Julius Evola?

Nazis are degenerate.
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Holla Forums is an anarchist board, we are not tankies.

Fascists are closer to us and better potential allies than liberals and social democrats. Anti fascism is a reactionary remnant of 20th century ideology and belongs in the trash bin of history. It's about time we discarded it.

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OK there are some leftcoms too

Look…

It's like 3% leftcom. Roughly 50% of what's left are Marxists, or at least socialists in favor of a state, 35% anarchist and the final 15% are either random shitposters or undecided reformists.

According to every poll, this site is mostly anarchist.

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you quite literally cannot be a fascist if you do not disagree with and thus hate communists

Fascists promote a class collaborative society, where the classes keep their place and stop vying for power in order to promote the stability and strength of the Nation.

Communists want to destroy the class system

why can't a fascist disagree with you but like you?
I'm personally very fascinated by people who think different than me because I always try to find out why they think that way.

Silly shitposter, this is a stereotypical tankie/stalinist quote!

Generally speaking, both fascists and militiant commies suggest dealing with the undesirable elements in a bit impolite manner.

Oh no, I came to that conclusion very much on my own.
Good for you. That doesn't make you a political ally.
No, it's very much the other way around. Anyone who's been on this board for more than a month knows everything about the "other side of the story" form the constant Holla Forums shitposting. It is, in fact, the Holla Forumsacks who won't listen to any left theory.

In addition, shitposting thread.

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This thread is proof we need to take a more heavy handed approach against nationalists and tankies. They are destroying the board from the inside.

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Why is Karl Marx poster so autistic?

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Because I'm tired of bad Holla Forums shilling?

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Uhhhhh

I've been here for over a year, boyo.

Holla Forums is a lost cause. When they come over here, they're trying to get us to accept the nationalism meme to some extent, not have a conversation. Note all the sudden nationalism shilling.

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And it's the jews that are deceptive, huh?

Not even once, we all know where this leads.

this.
They're useless to us.

sounds like chrohns disease

Maybe we could have been friends in another universe, OP, but as it stands no way.

Yeah sure thing bucko.

you don't speak for everybody here. I think fascism is an excessive, inefficient system and most self-professed fascists/nationalists I've met both online and in meatspace have been loudmouthed and spergy/bohab-y they're like aughties Macfags, they can stfu about it for only so long before the conversation comes back to sperging out about muh user friendliness and muh joos/degeneracy/gommies and not noticing that I'm tuning them out, have heard it before and don't give a shit bonus points for assuming I'm either offended or I'm one of THEM when I try to understand them better by asking questions about how they reconcile the inherant contradiction and illogic of their Sanic the Edgehog feels-over-facts ideology

The complete rejection of any red-brown alliance combined with rallying with bourgeois democratic reformists is what destroyed the left. Somewhat deluded revolutionaries (fascists) are much better allies than reformist parasites.

No one is falling for this Holla Forumsack scum. Fuck off.

I'm the OP of this thread and I have clearly stated it when I post. I'll post in other threads to, trying to explain my position. I will not pretend to be something else to confuse you. I propose to others that might be reading to the same. Stop being childish. You literally aren't one anothers enemies.

Fascists are pretty capitalists and authoritarian. Thus they are a threat.

The polls litterally change every time because people cant make neutral polls.

Authority isn't good or bad, it's neutral. Capitalism as a political system sucks, but it's not so bad as the engine of production. Commies know it too.

I see trots are classy as always

kill yourself

lol

Pretty good bait fam

Didn't imply it was, but being capitalist make you an enemy and being authoritarian means youre more easily organised or put to use.

fuck off

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Authority is always bad.

Well, does it really make a difference who did it when you always end up dead?

Holla Forums.
Please stop.

We know you are afraid of a lefty that makes sense.

We know you lose your comfort zone when you're not dealing with stupid SJW.

But please.

Stop this.

You're making yourself look even worse….

What

Please don't bring le liberator into this

Everybody deserves to die and i especially, revolutionary jihad is the only solution to Authority.

Classy

I've not from Holla Forums, I identify as Holla Forums from today.
Did you know that fascism was a left-wing movement? We totally showed those conservatives who's boss!

You only feel this way towards authority because you are female.

Too obvious m8

Lolwut

I have a more rational approach to this, like, kill a lot of people, but give it some competition and let the winners live. Justice and function both served.

ok

I see that you agree to be put up the wall by a voluntary death sqaud for early liberation of the tyrany of life.

simply epic

You're not even funny.

It's sad actually.

Plz go.

Does the moustache make up for your tiny dick and shitty dialectics, Groucho?

I actually have no hard feelings towards fascists. I just disagree with the ideology and therefore consider it worthy of fighting. I think it was Mussolini that said something along the lines of "There's no right or wrong ideology, but I believe mine is right and I have the right to enforce it on whoever I can."

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Not a bright guy

You cannot have a dialog with something that cannot think.

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You just can't into existentialism.

Holla Forums please, don't follow the path of Holla Forums

Huh? Where?
All I see is people telling you you're a faggot.

I'm not OP you dummy

I'm the one you're calling a faggot. I'll start using a flag.

Holla Forums often uses it. Actual Trots on Holla Forums are very rare. That one's Holla Forums fosho.

The dismissal of Litvinov, whose Jewish ethnicity was viewed disfavorably by Nazi Germany, removed an obstacle to negotiations with Germany. Stalin immediately directed Molotov to "purge the ministry of Jews." Recalling Stalin's order, Molotov commented, "Thank God for these words! Jews formed an absolute majority in the leadership and among the ambassadors. It wasn't good."

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exactly, he's getting btfo so he's calling anons who disagree with him mad, which polyps do in place of making an actual argument

It was a different person. I didn't complain about a thing.

Sorry, mate. I just don't fancy getting murdered if fascism ever takes root again, nor do I appreciate fascism distracting from the actual problems and causes.

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what a dense argument

No such thing as "fascism with a human face". By definition fascism is a movement that wants to exterminate the left and to return power to the ruling class as most brutally as possible. I don't care if you personally want to be a little less violent, or think that there are more pressing threats than the left. You and your ideology are a threat to the working class everywhere, and specifically to the organized left.

Agreed. This liberal bullshit of nonviolence won't stop any meaningful fascist threat. Lenin took power from the Tsar with force as well as words, not just with pretty democratic phrases.

God, I can't believe this board is this cucked by liberalism.

God, the treachery is disgusting. Please go suck some fascist cock, class-traitor.

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I want to be between her sexy legs.

Because he's a dogmatist who thinks that the words of Marx are divine despite the fact that Marx is an overrated hack.

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I believe that the end goal of communism will eventually become a reality but for now I'll remain nationalistic.

Too many spooked people out there myself included but I don't want to just hurt people.

Αlright, the organized left might be in danger, but those aren't the people we're doing it for. They could just go home and be safe.

Tell that to trade unionists. They aren't even necessarily to the left.

I think the core part of his theory was correct, not literally every word that came from his mouth.
kys tbh fam

Heh, wrong flag.

"non-violence" isn't a liberal stance. In the sense that radical Christians also sometimes advocate non-violence, that people other-than-liberals think that fascists shouldn't be killed, and in the sense that liberals can be quite violent towards perceived threats. The most dangerous terrorist organizations in the U.S. are liberal groups.

lol

I mean, they could. No one is stopping them. They could even join us. But they have a victim complex.

Under fascism, you are free to be like me. That is true freedom.

Some people don't like being given orders and submitting to the authority, you know.

Right now, you don't even have that freedom.

Those people are the weak ones. No hard feelings, but it's true. You see it in the army all the time. You see it in universities. Authority is a good thing.

How is not wanting to be submit to the others a sign of weakness?
Only if you are the one giving the orders.

First, it isn't an order. You don't work for them, you work with them. Secondly, it means you don't have faith in the cause. But even if none of the first two apply to you, serving them to the best of your ability is the best choice for you and everyone else.

Soldiers that follow orders are more likely to go home alive than those who don't.

muh milgram experiment
Enjoy being a cuck

To work "with" implies voluntaryism and this is not fully possible if there is some advantage in any given situation.
I prefer to assume the worst outcome in order to find the most vialable option, faith is for the naive
Serving anybody is not a good choice ever, for only I can be a master.
Not being a solider and risking your life might be even a better choice.

I don't think absolute voluntaryism is possible in the physical realm. We are constantly constrained by the environment, our needs, and other peoples needs. In that sense, you aren't ever "free", so might as well co-operate to make life "easier".

Well, the most desirable system is the one reducing those constraints. While currently it is not probably possible, it would be desirable to move towards it, which would require eliminating or at least minimalising scarcity, that is placating our and other peoples' needs with as little required cooperation as possible. Hierarchy-based systems, on the other hand, require scarcity to uphold the hierarchy. This is why the are not as desirable.

"required cooperation" might not be a good word here, but I think you understand what I'm trying to say