Why do many atheists bitch about Christians...

Why do many atheists bitch about Christians, but are the first to rush to defend muslims anytime someone is rude to them?

Pro-tip: If you do, you are a retard and hypocrite

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Because they think it's the "religion of the oppressed" therefore it's worth defending.

Because they're not atheists.

They're liberals and humanists.
Humanity is their God. The "oppressed" is their messiah.

Basically, they're fucking spooked.

>everyone is equal unquestionable axiom
this is pretty much the fundamentals of the progressive "social democratic" left. then just sub in

kek.

If your axiom is "everyone is equal" then thats why you would be led to the conclusion that that the lack of success of what must be the oppression by the other.

The only way you could get around this conclusion is that the culture or race of one is shittier than the other. The latter has been disproven again and again my science. The former is entirely possible but usually people don't address the impact that oppression and historical circumstances can play, they would prefer to just shove the whole analysis into this idea of "progress" as if it has some objective meaning.

The reason why lots of people are liberals these days is because they don't do this as they are typically have an I.Q. higher than 90. It just sucks that the neoliberal ideology has obfuscated the real issue, economics.


No one thinks this except pol/

Try hard pol/

Read Stirner.

Because our attitude towards Islam is based on misconceptions with a nice mx of xenophobia, so it's our duty to correct them.

Whereas we live in a Christianized culture where the majority of the people in power follow that religion. Most atheists in burgerland were raised Christian, so it makes sense that it's the target of their spite.

You are going to have to show me these many examples because I've never saw this happening.
Are you sure the people defending the muzzies are really atheists? or are you just presuming they are just because they happen to attack christ cucks?

This. I've never heard or seen this happening.

It really just depends on whether they're social liberal atheists or the alt-right atheist. Both are shit. Both ought to be lynched.

You mean atheists like Dawkins who describes himself as a cultural christian and does nothing but beat the neocon drum about muh culture wars?
Atheists like Sam Harris who support profiling of Muslims despite all evidence proving that it doesn't work?
Or atheists like Hitchens who defended the Iraq War to his dying breath?

Here's a better question for you, OP, why are right-wing Christians so fast to play the victim card when ever someone suggests they quit being total shit heads to everyone all the time?

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think again, fascist

this

bitch, the new atheist movement was bashed for focusing too much on criticizing islam and not christianity.
also, how many christian terrorist groups do you know?

literally what the fuck

tell that to akmed the cock boi who used his muh slim card to get shitload of techs and a scholarship

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I like you sometimes. But other times you post some egregiously dumb shit. This is one of those times.

He's religious. He can see past his own ideology. The only reason he's here and not pol is because it just so happens that he cherry-picked his ideology in a way that ended up leftist.

I don't know what kind of circle of Atheists you pay attention to, but pretty much every single Atheist Youtuber I've seen is more anti-Muslim than Christian.

How many Muslim people are attacked both in western countries and bombed in Asia? How many Christians are attacked and bombed? It's possible that we're talking about defending them to different degrees or manner (I personally dislike Islam just as much as Christianity) but the point still stands; Muslim people as a group face discrimination, are scapegoats much like the Jews were and deal with violence or the threat of violence. That is why they are treated differently.

mabey you should read Stirner and not be so spooked

I agree with you but that picture is is wrong because it's way too broad in its targets.

happy?

All those stuff are spooks tho.
Pure ideology.

Because from unfair global trade patterns, imperialistic foreign policies and nationalist sentiments, Muslims tend to be on the receiving end of many of the practices we oppose.

Is everyone here forgetting about Sam Harris all the sudden?

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But it's no longer about defending people from racism and imperialism. It's about people on the left *literally* presenting an idyllic picture of Islamic doctrine with claims that Islam is "inherently progressive" or that Prophet Muhammad was the "original socialist" or some shit along those lines.

It's identical to what tankies do: yes, we should defend Iran, North Korea, etc. from Western imperialism, but tankies go so far as to claim Iran and Best Korea are utopians and that all criticisms of their regimes (even ones from Marxist perspectives) are all "orientalist".

P U R E I D E O L O G Y

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Marxism is modernised Catholicism and more specific Jesuitism.

Lol, this is Alex Jones tier lunacy.

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Because they are american.

Americans are by definition retarded. You cant expect atheist americans to suddenly become rational if they've been fed poison and lead all their life.

because it's cool to hate Christians right now

and some people are stupid enough to believe that muslims = all middle eastern people

Probably because the "new atheism" is largely a reaction to the prominence of Christianity in American political and social life. Christanity in America cause a much more problems in day to day life than muslims , who honestly are mostly fine segment of the population who don't cause too much trouble.

Muslims don't need westerners telling them what to do.

To play devil's advocate: in the West, Muslims are simply a tiny part of the religious right; at most you have idiots LARPing as vigilantes in the UK because Britain is retarded. In the United States, at least, radicalism among Muslims is rapidly decreasing while hate crimes against Muslims surge every time a terrorist blows someone up overseas. There is, in fact, reason to believe that Muslims are being persecuted, something even Charlie Hebdo would attest to, despite being staunch, unapologetic critics of Islam itself.

Ironically, this may be because Muslim contempt for the US's wars of aggression are actually compatible with its own culture: most Americans already hate their own government.

The reason Islamic theocracy is so powerful in the Middle East is because the US and UK made it powerful, either intentionally (Saudi Arabia) or by accident (Iran, Afghanistan, possibly Syria), and crushed attempts to move past it when said attempts were inconvenient to the flow of petroleum (Iraq). In the Balkans, which have significant Muslim populations, Islam is another boring cultural practice, and leaders from African states with majority or otherwise significant Muslim populations have actually complained to the international community that the KSA and UAE are fucking their politics up by pushing Wahhabism on their constituents. Nobody will do anything about it because these leaders are very wealthy and that makes them important.

In the same sense that people seem to think Tumblr and BLM literally invented being unreasonably offended, people seem to think Islam literally invented theocracy when all Abrahamic religion comes from a time when secularism was not even a concept. It has reached a point where there is a myth that Japan halts the "creeping sharia" by persecuting Muslims–there are no Islamic terrorists in Japan because Japan doesn't blow their homes up for oil.

While I despise liberal naivete, their perspective exists for a reason.

Plus, a lot of openly anti-Muslim people are themselves politically correct: criticize Judaism or Israel and you're FUCKING HITLER. Never mind the fact that Judaism and the Old Testament are just as fucked up as Islam at the core.

She may have a point.

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Except that there is a long rabbinical tradition of exegesis which looks for meanings behind the meanings of the "Old Testament". You will not find a single rabbi today who thinks it's okay to kill someone for working on the sabbath.

Islam has exegesis, too. Same shit different asshole.

The views of religious figures throughout history are intrinsic to the political and cultural climates of their time. Religion does not exist in a vacuum. To assume otherwise is to validate religious thought as magical.

1. At least in the US most muslims are racial minorities, so attacking them is usually considered racist.

2. Muslim women paint a big target on themselves by wearing obvious headware that's not common in the west (or just US?). It's a lot easier to mock and criticize the faceless, nameless christain rather than someone you can physically see as religious.

2. It's standard side-picking. Conservatives made it clear they don't like islam and the "left" has to take the opposite position.

3. In the west christianity is the majority religion with it's history of violence and authoritarianism very recent and close to home. The oppression of islam (or any other religion) hasn't sunk in for a lot of people. Thus, they are seen as more benign or peaceful.

4. Islam as a minority is lying low because they don't have much power to wield over anyone yet. Of course they can't start stripping away freedoms until they have a voting base willing and able to do so (but it's just as well, since christains and muslims have so much in common). Since they don't have much power they are an oppressed minority who needs "protection".

Sam Harris is the exception who proves the rule. The majority of his public appearances are focused on rallying against liberal "atheists" who justify away Islamic misgivings all the time while being first to beat the drum against Christianity. He even uses the term "white theocracy" when talking about how liberals view Christianity.

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Do you have a single shred of evidence to back up this claim of "hate crimes."

Also, the fact that you throw out "every time a terrorist blows something up" as a sort of minor annoyance while railing against the so called "hate crimes" against Muslims is quite comical. You don't even see the irony in what you wrote.

Spooky stuff indeed


His point still stands, there is not a single rabbi in the world today that calls for the stoning of homosexuals. There are more than a few Muslim Imams who promote these beliefs and have these beliefs welcomed into Muslim communities. It's incredibly intellectually dishonest to compare jewish exegesis with islamic exegesis.

Yeah, instead, they just call for the extermination of all palestinians and "arabs," or the enslavement of all "goyim."

What about the stabbing in the Israeli gay pride parade?


Jews, like any religion, has nut jobs that call for the death of all sorts of people. There are parades in America but there are also hate preachers.

Yeah and he's completely wrong about how widespread these atheists are

Remember that retarded quote he about the lack of conviction western governments have towards ISIS? Something like:

"When they execute a westerner all there is a few protests in the streets"

And he goes on and on about how we aren't doing enough, when America has left the middle easst in the last 16 years, and Obama almost immediately declared war on ISIS after that journalist got his head cut off.

He's the retard that proves the rule, not the exception.

I'm an atheist and I've been saying this for years. I don't like racism, but Islam is fucking retarded. I'll only attack Islamophobies who are looking for an excuse for racism. Islam itself is just as cancerous as Christianity.

because muslims are an underprivileged minority just like jews and blacks, dumbass

you all should be libertarian nationalists. its a real thing; i swear

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Not all atheists.. Sam Harris, Richard Dawkins and some others have been pretty vocal about how Islam sucks.

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Kennedy got elected and people stopped wearing hats.

Get with the times, pops.

One day images like this will be displayed in a museum.

Because most Christians are Nazi hypocrites.
They talk about redpill but they fear the real redpill of Allah.
Let them eat redpill.

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Kennedy didn’t get elected globally.

You generally had a point but this a literal Facebook meme by the same people who think Islam is illegal in Japan.
It completely falls apart with one look at the Balkans. Chechens can sometimes be radicals (i.e. Boston Marathon bomber), but in Russia as a whole, religious intolerance is common.

Google it, it's been a well known fact among national law enforcement for a decade. Rightist news usually hand-waves it with some fallacy of relative privation bullshit.
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Once again: fallacy of relative privation.
I was not even saying they are the same, I am saying that it happens and liberals have a reason to care.
Learn how Stirnerposting works before memeing.
Not a single one? Good luck proving that.
I can contend, however, that calls for literal genocide of Palestinians is not uncommon in the Israeli far-right.
The current political climate of the world is not the same thing as abstract theory and analysis. Yes, theologically, they are the same thing. By definition.

Unfortunately, Harris is also a useful idiot that still supports US wars of aggression and refuses to criticize other kinds of spooks with real world political influence, even when they are highly relevant to American citizens. He's just Pamela Geller pretending to be Richard Dawkins, whom at least has principles and understands the difference between criticizing an idea and a person.

The problem with edgelord liberals like Harris is not that they are edgelords, but that they are liberals, because like with most other liberals, they have no sense of pragmatism. They're pure idealists. They have no concept of externalities or adverse consequences, which is why they are still bleeding heart pussies about other silly ideas usually associated with them. The idea that there are ulterior motives and influences under the surface of geopolitics is utterly foreign to them–even when they know about bribery and collusion, they are so blinded by their ideology that they cannot mentally envision an alternative and thus consider it a fact of life.

It's a self-feeding issue because when other Muslims criticize the current political climate of Islam, they get threatened, as radical-sympathizing Muslims see it as far more offensive when a reasonable Muslim steps out of line than when a kafir expresses criticism or even contempt. They assume Westerners are out to get them anyway, so it's not nearly as offensive because it's unsurprising. This is because of the "Islamic revival" spurned by foreign intervention and the spread of Wahhabism by the Saudis. Islamists do not just hate non-Muslims, they specifically hate the West. This has clear political implications because it keeps the rich fucks in the Middle East powerful and untouchable.

Combine this with less stupid liberals' unwillingness to critique Islam because muh oppression, and as a result, the only people willing to be vocally opposed to Islamism and double standards in favor of Muslims are too stupid to even understand why they should. More often than not they're still thoroughly butthurt because 9/11 happened even though we now know the Saudis did it and base their feelings off of that.

I feel like is pretty common in the israeli mainstream right

Sure, but it's generally implied. Some rabbis outright state that they want to raze the Palestinian territories so they can have a "complete" Israel.
Ironically the people who protest Israel and advocate for Palestine are often devout Orthodox Jews. The Israeli left is pretty cool, but they're completely powerless because of US hegemony.

when it comes to race, sure, everyone is equal, but culture makes huge difference. The reason why BestKorea and Holland do not look same isn't just rng


meh. I can make anybody """liberal""" just by showing him wiki article. Next step is just telling him what he can/can't as """liberal""" do and you have modern wannabebourgeoisie.

Material conditions determine culture, so in a sense it is "RNG" from the perspective of individuals.

I'm not atheist, I'm agnostic, as I find in this mostly unexplored reality of quantum multiverses and dimensions it's best not to rule out anything until proven nonexistent, but I still don't defend muslims.

I dislike most religions, but middle eastern ones most of all - they're harsh, brutal, cruel with a long history of death, destruction and intolerance

I don't tolerate the intolerant. I won't force you to not follow your religion, but I won't become part of it or conform to its rules because your painfully outdated book commands it, either.

Off yourself

MUH HUMANIST BOOGEYMAN

BEING HUMANIST LITERALLY MEANS SUPPORTING BARBARIC RELIGIONS

MUH OPPRESSION OLYMPICS

Go back to making videos rebel

I agree, but the pol/ack doesn't seem to think so


Well I think you misunderstood. The reason why more people are becoming liberal is because they aren't dumb enough to fall into the trap that "its obviously race, the mudslimes are obvious inherently shitter" as our dear friends on this board have done

People weren't even wearing hijabs through most of the world back then. Almost as if Islam has radically changed over the last hundred years due to material condition and the influence of the political elite in Saudi Arabia…hmmm….what was that about how Islam has basically been a 2000 year old unchanging meme of unending violence?

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I recommend you watch this.

As sad as it is, by the standards of their time, very early Islamic caliphates were much more tolerant and lenient than the Saudis are–and the latter family don't even adhere to it in their private lives, fucking and drinking with reckless abandon.

It saddens me how people like Tarek Fatah and other secularists are treated as if nonexistent while pails of lard like Robert Spencer are treated as experts.

Basically. The alt right, Sam Harris and all these autistics demonstrate the importance of viewing history in an unbiased light. Its a shame, however, that pol/ can't even use Google to challenge their own conclusions about Islam.