I know this isn't related to socialism but I need to get his off of my chest.
Today I was backing out of my drive way and realized I had hit a squirrel. It was convulsing for about 30 seconds. I was about to go into the house to get my .22 to humanely put it out of it's misery but it died before I had to do that. I was (and still am) very depressed about it. Later on. I saw a squirrel start lurking around the body trying to figure out what was going on. A few other squirrels joined him. At one point, one of the squirrels even jumped on the back tire of my car that was sitting out side to investigate what had happened. These squirrels were chirping (crying) and generally in a panic. One of the squirrels wouldn't leave the body and kept chasing off other squirrels who got too close.
I feel absolutely awful. I don't want to accidentally run over another poor little innocent animal again in my life. Especially after seeing the effect that it caused among the other wildlife. I'm an agnostic but if I believed in god I would ask for his forgiveness.
I think I understand how you would feel comrade. That must really suck. Just try to be more aware next time.
Grayson Ramirez
The thing is, I didn't even see the poor little guy. He must have been fairly close to my car. I've never really been an animal rights activist or anything like that but after seeing the effect this had it really made me think about how valuable life is. Even the lives of animals which we don't necessarily regard as significant. My mother was outside when it happened. She's a big time Christian, she tried to console me by saying "his soul has left his body". I basically said, "he doesn't have a soul, he had one life and I ended it".
I've always wanted to learn how to hunt but considering the fact that I don't even like to see a squirrel get accidentally run over, I don't know if I'd have the stomach for it unless I absolutely had to eat.
Logan Gutierrez
Yeah, life is very precious. My philosophy is probably much more spooky than most people's here, but I stand by it. When you see something like that, I imagine the suffering and abuse of actual humans. It's a horrific thing. Hunting to survive, is necessary, is probably much more justifiable. Especially if the game dies fast immediately. I don't know if I would betray my own principles and do it though.
Carter Torres
If you kill an animal and fail to eat it, or use the meat to feed another animal, then you're committing a heinous crime. Even if squirrels are little shits, and the altruistic "crying" you're describing is more accurately described as the more self-centered "oh fuck are we next?"
Lincoln Harris
Honestly, it almost makes me wonder if hunters have more of a respect/understanding for animal life than people do who just buy their meat from the supermarket. I have an uncle who's a long time hunter (possibly because he's poor and it's a cheap source of food) and he loves animals probably more than anyone I know. The guy owns quite a few exotic animals. I haven't seen many people who can interact with animals in the way that he can. It's strange when you consider the implication that someone who shoots deer has a better understanding of life than someone who has never had to take a life.
Matthew Richardson
Well, I don't exactly know how to skin a squirrel. If I did, I guess I would have eaten it. The thought just didn't cross my mind at the time.
Aiden Parker
Oh and I forgot to mention. One of the squirrels was actively trying to revive the one that got run over. I feel that if it was just a case of survival instinct they would have gtfo out of fear of being next.
Adam Lewis
That actually seems possible. Hunters observe animals and understand them necessarily.
Caleb Collins
I seriously hope you're vegan if you care this much about sentient animals. And blame porky for building this inefficient transportation infrastructure that has disseminated biodiversity.
Aiden Edwards
I don't know if it's biologically natural to be a vegan. However, it makes me think more about the idea of eating meat in general. I almost feel that if one is going to eat meat. Maybe they should hunt it themselves instead of just taking something like that for granted. i.e. you should have to fully grasp the fact that you're eating the flesh of another sentient being instead of just thinking about it in the way that you would think about a McDonalds hamburger. Idk, I'm still left a bit ideologically confused by the situation that transpired today.
Jeremiah Martin
wow nigga. there are little children in the world dying and third world workers being treated like slaves and 13 year olds being sold as slaves and here you are getting depressed about a fucking squirrel. why dont you become a vegan-feminist-BLM-LGBTQIJEDHWQIFBIEBFEHBQW+-=#IU$$ activist too? jesus fuck
Wyatt Taylor
Yes, they do. The same applies to lots of farmers. It applies even doubly so when you have situations where you have to put down an animal that's become unusable for meat, because then you're not only killing it, but doing it a disservice in the process.
I take damn good care of my animals, because they're providing a valuable service. And they're doing a better job at it than some people are at theirs.
user. They're squirrels. I've dealt with squirrels a lot, and I can tell you, they're unbelievably fucking stupid. They don't feel grief, or remorse. It's possible they feel something which is slightly comparable, but not much. Curiosity is the closest that you can really describe. That, and an understanding of change. No animal likes change.
Humans are caretakers for nature, but we're still part of it. We eat other animals. That is our nature, and to deny it is to strip away a part of that humanity.
Gavin Morales
I used to think with that line of logic. I never really gave a shit either. Honestly, I feel like the point is going a little bit over your head. It's like saying just because X has it worse than Y, we shouldn't give two shits about Y.
Maybe, I don't know.
Kayden Green
I'm a vegan. I'm rather quiet about it. I don't think it's "natural". I don't even know what that would mean but it makes sense to be vegan. It's way cheaper and I feel fine. It maybe at least lessens the harm of animals but suffering is just part of life. At least you'd be getting away from ugly corps. Also, if you're going to eat meat, I'd prefer that you hunt it. Less waste and better imo.
Wyatt Morales
Appeals to nature fallacy. A whole foods plant-based diet is the healthiest and most environmentally sustainable diet and it doesn't cause the suffering of billions of sentient animals. Yes, hunting is better than factory farming, but the reality is you can't feed the entire human population by hunting alone. Not to mention the fact that it would completely destroy what's left of the environment.
Adrian Gutierrez
you're one of those first world feminists "muh first world struggle is still struggle", but in reality, while they're "empowering" themselves they're also unknowingly exploiting women in the third world. their struggle matters, but if during that process, they exploit others then it's no longer relevant or even tolerable.
that squirrel you crashed in should not deserve anymore than a "man i shouldnt have done that". there are humans dying for no reason, squirrels shouldnt be an issue.
Zachary Sanchez
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Angel Green
Vegan diets don't have B-12. Just remember to take supplements. Remember that the suffering of animals is also implied through farming, but it's much better.
Struggle is still struggle. Not OP but those feminists are useless and just social liberal capitalists. I agree that clear priorities must be set though. I don't understand your analogy because not eating meat wouldn't oppress other humans.
Dominic Bennett
Neither do the animals you eat, which is why the soil and animals have to be fortified in industrial farming. Everyone should be supplementing, we don't drink river water with woolly mammoth shit anymore.
Hudson Fisher
Really? Animals don't naturally have B-12? Even eggs have them. Are you saying that they have them artificially? I always thought that herbivore had the bacteria that was necessary in their digestive tract to create the nutrients and we don't.
Nathan Mitchell
Hilarious considering how many of you like to LARP about how you're going to brutally murder the bougoursie.
Michael Martin
Pffff, that's why it's called LARPING! Not everybody does that anyway
Nicholas Young
The reason squirrels, among other animals, gather and make a ruckus around the place where a specimen of their species died is so they can learn what happened so they don't get the same fate. The reason other squirrels were chased off the body is also a security issue.
Hunter Garcia
I think you're more sad that you didn't bury/eat it after you killed it and saw the aftermath,
If you took it's body and buried (or ate it,) then the squirrels would not of found the squirrel and realized it died. They may have had a thought of "oh I wonder where this squirrel is?" but won't bother.
Isaiah Lopez
Discounting an argument simply for it being able to be categorized under the umbrella a fallacy is itself fallacious. Why even mention something so inane?
That all being said, your image shows quite clearly the major issue in a plant-based diet: protein. It is possible to consume enough protein through plant-based foods to put on muscle, yes. Now, my numbers may be wrong here, as it's been a long while, but:
You should be consuming roughly 0.5 grams of protein minimum in terms of calories. The diet suggested here is 3000 calories, well over the daily recommended amount, and provides 14 grams.
I'm not sure where the idea of 35 grams of protein being enough for a person of average size comes from on this chart, but I guess some people just don't understand nutrition. If we say the average person is about 150 pounds, then that's 75 grams they're going to need. Minimum. So we have another 61 grams of protein added on, which comes out to 244 extra calories. Protein rarely comes alone, but we'll ignore that for now. We've got a diet bumped now to 3244 calories. If we're talking about an active lifestyle that requires more proteins than that, it shoots up higher. For a larger person, it could work? Possibly? But then you also tend to get into things like sweat, and loss of minerals through that, which means seeking out further supplements, and more things from foods which aren't just found in proteins.
I'm fucking tired and not a dietician, so I'll just summarize it as this: Vegan diets are not functional for basic human strength, and in point of fact, most diets aren't. I raise my fucking chickens, I feed the fucking chickens, and I eat the fucking chickens.
Eli Gomez
what the fuck is this puke inducing bullshit? Get over it you fag. It's not like the squirel was sentient. Hell, even if it was sentient you should be proud of killing it. You did a good thing, you ended suffering.
No, I didn't imply that at all, I said river water has animal shit which is a source of B12, also the algae in water, and bacteria in soil. B12 deficiency is a modern day problem, even meat eaters are deficient in it.
Easton Rogers
Oh, ok sorry. And yeah, it's a common problem.
Daniel Martin
I know that feel, bro. I accidentally ran over a cat, and I love cats.
I grieved and vowed to eventually save a cat's life from a kill shelter someday.
That's not even getting into the problems that come with factory-raised animals, the lower nutrition of grain-fed cattle versus grass-fed, and everything else. You are not meant to eat nothing but plant protein, or nothing but meat proteins. The body does not work that way, particularly while it was developing.
Again, you can do whatever the hell you want with supplements. But you'll forgive me for not trusting my health to a pill bottle, rather than something I can raise myself.
Jordan Gutierrez
If you cant even kill a squirrel, then how will you be able to kill the bourgeois pigs and the other enemies of the proletariat?!
Alexander Perez
You should've used the .22 to put yourself out of your misery you christian shitstain. If you didn't believe in god you would not feel bad for killing a dumb, stupid animal. I would run you and that dumb animal over and then back up to make sure you're both gone.
John Price
How many levels of reality are you on, brah? Three? You are like a little baby.
