What continent or country has the most revolutionary potential under our current global capitalist system?

What continent or country has the most revolutionary potential under our current global capitalist system?

Personally I think if Africa can throw off the shackles of the IMF (and China to a lesser extent) they could be a suitable vehicle to ending neoliberalism and bringing about an intl movement. It'll also be the first time since colonialism where indigenous laborers of raw resources would be closest to their land/labour (in that it's not overtly or tacitly owned by capitalists on another land mass). It also brings into question Zizek's enthusiasm for Malcolm X (that blacks have a unique position to create emancipatory culture because of their forced tabula rasa).

Anyway thoughts, and general how can we get the material forces in line with revolution once again?

Also related to the thread, would leftypol agree that revolution in the first world under current neoliberalism isn't possible (even if the population was enthusiastically for it). I usually think so, because we lack any regional self sufficiency anymore.

Nah mainly because communication and planning has gotten easier

You mean the same people who largely voted for Clinton?

How did you get emancipatory culture a la Benjamin to mean blind liberals?

Perhaps I misunderstood the OP but my point is how are blacks in a better position than say whites to form an emancipatory culture?

(I am OP). But essentially X said (which Zizek has repeated before) that the brutality they've experienced isn't some great call to return to tribal roots, but the force puts them in a unique position to redefine culture authentically (in that not blinded by historical barbarism) emancipatory universal all the good shit. Ofc it's just a chance, it doesn't have to go down that way, and as Wilde's old thesis goes the most oppressed are the most blind (so idk if poor black families can ever support more than just Hillary by and large - it's essentially asking for some bread when they should ask for the world - please read this in a socialist sense not reparations).

It's really just my train of thought, and the whole thread is speculation, so feel free (anyone) to BTFO me utterly.

1) Africa is not a Country.
2) Most subsaharan countries don't have revolutionary material.
3) Most North African ones had their revolutions already. We'll see if it continues. Same with south europe.
4) The whole Black-White thing is racist Americanocentric faggotry.
5) I find it more possible for China to rerevolt. It is the next state of Capitalism. And cannot handle the crisis.

I listed Continent, and while not stated I thought I was implying a pan-African state. The individual govs today are too pro-porkie and corrupted by the IMF. And I didn't mean to say a black-white thing, just colonialized vs noncolonialized people being the site of the next revolution, however; I feel like the former though not as rigorous is largely convenient.

China is a good potential candidate as well.

Eh, I doubt I could BTFO you. I mean is the opportunity there? Yeah.

But at least from what I've seen, which granted may not be the most accurate picture, the prominent movements in the black community seem more focused around various forms of black nationalism with socialism being a secondary thought, if they ever think of it at all.

Yeah I agree, though (and hopefully without citing board hate) I thought the original demands of BLM were so close to being anti-capitalist but due to lack of theory never arrived at it. OFC now it's been coopted by the bourgeois state and they get to ask questions at Town Hall, so it seems like that movement is dead (as far as potential goes).

However my statement was more in relation to Africa in that they might have a unique chance to create their own history once again - not trying to imply they don't already but it's too reified to lead anywhere.

Again all speculation.

Kek, I meant the opportunity for black people to develop an emancipatory culture, just to clear up any confusion.

Conflating American blacks and African blacks is pretty stupid because they are culturally very different

The OG implication was funnier. At least I laughed.

It's merely a tangential relation to the threads OG point (which so far 1 person has talked about :( ) that I was thinking of because of reading X and Benjamin. I really did not mean to focus the conversation on a train of thought.

Some Yuropoor state(probably one of the PIGS) or Burgerstan or an Asian state. Africa is currently too underdeveloped to have revolutionary potential, more likely they would accept sweatshops and shit at their only way to survive under Global Capitalism. The rise of socialism will come with dissatisfaction with liberal "democracy" and the failures of populist right and reformist socdems.

You're also conflating American blacks with Africans, which is a big mistake. American blacks see themselves as a common group while African Blacks see each other similarly to how European Whites see each other, as separate groups. A Pan-African movement inside Africa is going to run into the hurdles of jingoism, similarly to how a Pan-European movement would(let's avoid Holla Forumstism and assume yuropoors are all white).

Mind you guys that the Black Panthers didn't die out from lack of popularity, they were destroyed by the US government because muh ebul gommies. They had some black nationalist elements but were mainly socialist and were also vehemently anti-racist, which was and is virtually unheard of in nationalist movements. If you were poor and in a city, they were your friend.

Is SYRIZA the failed spark that will eventually lit the revolution?

naaaaaah!

I suppose I am, but I only meant to bring in something I've read from X and Benjamin. Africa at least imo was denied its history since colonial times, but if they throw off the imperialists have a unique chance to create their own. I didn't mean to imply more than that.

However would the jingoism of a continental movement be so bad. It already can't define itself purely off of race or religion and represents as opposed to every nationalism that came before an actual defined region in the world. I suppose they could go militaristic with it, but with no access to thermnukes (and the US unlikely to ever divulge the secrets) it would seem counterintuitive. Also I'd imagine they would already have their hands full with building up infrastructure.

I could see Asia or a europoor state, however I just don't see the US producing anything of value anymore, and what little we do is confined into tiny regions (like California's agriculture). When the means of production are office buildings used for advertisements and business ado or service jobs like 711 really what good is any of that for the proletariat?

I'd honestly say that South America may have the greatest revolutionary potential right now.

It's had a decently long history at this point of revolution and guerilla actions, but most of that was during the Cold War when outwardly jingoistic policy by the US and stretched supply lines from the USSR meant that those revolutionary forces could only make select regional gains. Most countries there have since escaped outwardly dictatorial right-wing governments that were propped up by the US, and there is widespread dissatisfaction with both the inequalities of capitalism and the emerging failures of reform (either through the failure of socdems to fix the larger problems they promised to address, or by demsocs actually working towards the fixes but leaving themselves open to overthrow).

The conditions are set and nearly universal throughout the continent from what I'm aware, all that is needed is for the right sales pitch to be made on the behalf of communism and for efforts to be made towards organization. Without the threat of the "evil empire" working it's way onto "America's back yard," it will be increasingly difficult to justify direct action against revolutionary movements in the region.

And the white working class are voting Trump. Does that mean the white working class has no revolutionary potential? No. It means they're not currently realizing their revolutionary potential

It is quite cool that S. America is really trying to divorce itself from the decades long revised Monroe doctrine of the US saying jump and s. america saying how high. But their politics seem to keep on edging closer to fascism.