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I took off the flag, happy? Why even include it if you're going to be assholes about it.

It's a retard trap.

Was getting caught part of your plan?

That's better. At least try to hide your fascism if you want to be taken seriously

Are you having a laugh or are you being serious, mate?

Wow. Holla Forums is right about you people

No, I had not heard that word before in this context.

Oh, okay. Well, you never know when you guys are taking the piss and when you're being straigh forward, to be honest.

I don't know why you expected to be warmly recieved here, though, especially with all the daily shitposting, you've gotta expect people to get a little fed up with nazis beyond the usual ideological antagonism.

fascism is for faggot teenagers with inferiority complexes

using the nazi flag is just screaming "I'm a fucking retard that knows nothing about anything and nothing I say should be taken seriously."

JOBS

What, pray tell, is Holla Forums right about exactly?

That we're tired of Nazi shitposters? They're right.

youtube.com/watch?v=jHx5rePmz2Y
Come back when you're not as spooked, then we'll talk.

Actually my factory job was taken because of immigrants so I am an anti-immigrant. Maybe you disagree, but I did not expect educated people to attack me for it

Haha I love that webm

Your job was taken from you because it was cheaper to pay them than you, that's not the immigrants fault for existing, its capitalism's fault for having workers become expendable.

Yeah, most here see mass immigration as a way to pressure wages by expanding what we call "the reserve army of labour", essentially making sure that there are more people to compete for the jobs, so they don't have to pay people so much.
That's what happened to you.
That's not really the fault of the immigrant though, but the fault of the system where there is not democracy in the workplace.
Had you been working in a cooperative the same thing couldn't have happened since noone in their right mind would vote to fire themselves and lower their own wages.

strikemag.org/bullshit-jobs/

Thanks, this is exactly what I was looking for

Interesting point

imagine for a moment, you and your fellow factory workers ran the factory. Do you believe that you would loose your job if you and your fellow worker's had a say in who comes in and who goes? This isnt an immigrants fault, they were simply acting in their own best interest doing the same thing you were doing, acting in your own best interests to have a job and support yourself. you should be blaming your boss, they are one that got rid of you for cheaper for cheaper labor, they're the one that treated you like shit. Don't blame you're fellow working man for action rationally, blame the bastards that fucked you!

Those immigrants coerced your bosses into making the factory owners pay immigrants a fraction of what they were paying you? The monsters!

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Honestly I don't know how to respond. I agree the boss is at root the cause, and immigrants are just doing what they need to, but if I was in the boss's position I don't know if I could resist not getting more money, its human nature to want more money

Which one is the shortest

In Praise of Idleness
theanarchistlibrary.org/library/bertrand-russell-in-praise-of-idleness-11-02-05-22-00-46

The Abolition of Work
theanarchistlibrary.org/library/bob-black-the-abolition-of-work
An abridged reading with video (10 minutes):
youtube.com/watch?v=Ie5zO-mF31M

Because they were acting in their own rational self interest. As long as there is a boss, they will do what they must too in order to keep their position. Our solution is simple, get rid of the boss and let the workers run things themselves, they will work in their own rational self interests wish would be for the benefit of their fellow workers.

I used to be like you, i was a neo-nazi skin head, i hated black with a passion. Almost got killed beating people up, until i found the root of the problem wasn't the black's but the system itself. I had been fucked all my life and i kept blaming black people for no apparent reason, when looked closer i saw it was the bosses, those with power to destroy peoples lives for their own preservation and interests at the expense of all others.

My friend, please look at the world and if you can really say all the ill of society around you are from immigrants, Jews, blacks and anyone who doesn't look like you or talk like you then i say look further, you will see people just trying to stay alive at any costs because the system we live in is built on our exploration for the greed a a small handful of people who dosnt give a shit about us.

We have the capacity to run our own lives, in our workplaces and everywhere else, i simply say we act in our own rational interests and work together to achieve them, we dont need boss to do that, they are parasites, we dont need anyone but ourselves to run the world.

Yeah, welcome to capitalism.

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dont blame x, they were simply acting in their own best interest

blame y, they were simply acting in their own best interest

Thank you, I'm reading abolition of work rn

I will take your post to heart buddy

so people dont act in their own best interest?

I need to know more about your life story.

well what do you want to know?

Because having a welfare state and bourgeois democracy is LITERALLY the same as a military junta hunting you down in the middle of the night and exterminating all opposition while killing "undesirables" such as the mentally retarded while also giving unlimited power to national corporations.

The social fascism meme died almost a century ago.

just wondering, how come you're here and not on Holla Forums with the other fash people? I don't really have a problem with it seeing as though you're actually making some pretty leftist conclusions

I'm sure your bullying is

Fuck on a tablet. Basically, no bully.

Because it would get one reply.Holla Forums hates discussing this sort of thing for some reason. Maybe if I threw "nigger" or "pajeet" in there I would get some replies, but they'd be like "man, pakis are such Jews" and not about what I actually want to discuss

Like, what was your upbringing like, what caused you to turn nazi, and how did you feel about the street brawls?

That's because those are the only ideas in their head they have.

If the immigrants flooding into the country where white, the bosses would still replace you for the cheaper labour. Immigration drives down labour costs for capitalists, so it is a good thing for them. Governments that talk tough on immigration will still find a way to flood the labour market with workers in an effort to drive down prices. Yes, they are only acting in their own self interest, and no that doesn't make them evil, or mean that human nature is set up to be greedy or harmful. All it means is that we, the working class, who are the overwhelming majority, along with the unemployed (who are growing everyday), need to change society to work in our own self interests. We do that by getting rid of the owning class and controlling society ourselves. Race divisions are a massive tool used by the ruling class to keep us from achieving this.

Anyway, the most enjoyable jobs I have had are when I am doing something productive, sure. Perhaps not creating something new, but certainly fixing something, or painting/cleaning something etc. There is still alienation when you work on creating something and being productive, and then seeing that production go into the hands of someone else, and the profit made go into the pockets of someone who wasn't part of the process.

The worst jobs I have had have been in retail. Worthless commodities produced in China, shipped overseas at great cost in resources, damaging the environment, and creating another set of useless jobs, and then put in a shop to be sold at inflated prices. All the while I, the salesperson, tries to convince the customer to buy the item. It's nice to know that a lot of jobs only exist so that people wont riot.

This is the ultimate goal of leftists? To be honest I can't even imagine something like that

I agree, but aren't race divisions part of human nature?

This was a surprisingly good post for a nazi, you didn't mention cucks or big black cocks even once.

In a communist society unproductive work would not exist (especially nonsense like finance), which would free up a massive amount of time for people to pursue their interests or simply enjoy their lives.

You're absolutely right about this, which is why we need to kill them and seize the means of production. As the organic composition of capital rises (labour saving automation) less capital will be invested in productive industry as it will become less profitable as workers are replaced with machines, and subsequently capitalists will invest in labour intensive but ultimately pointless/parasitic businesses because this will give a larger return upon investment. Society isn't going to evolve into socialism without a revolution (though for the record UBI is retarded reformist nonsense).

Sounds like the beginnings of class consciousness, fam.

Why not? Worker's cooperatives are a thing. They exist today? What do we need the bosses for. We can lead ourselves. What do they do for us other than just reap the profits and hoard it away?

Not really. The modern concept of race arises around the 17th century to legitimize slavery. Before that, race translated roughly to "ethnicity" and thus occitans, Italians, and Castilans were considered different races with not much more in common (save for religion, which meant a lot more than race or culture in those times). Indeed, Europeans felt closer kinship to Christian Ethiopians (East Africans) than they did to Muslim Andalusians (spanish people).

Pretty much. There are a lot of lies out there, especially on Holla Forums. Socialists, communists, anarchists… we all want the working class to control the means of production so we can live in a classless society where there are not haves and have nots, owners and workers. That way everyone can have equality of opportunity and we can judge individuals on their merits.

Human nature is not hard wired into our brains, and is entirely changeable. There are so many divisions in our world, and often they are there for entirely logical reasons, but that doesn't mean we can't get rid of them. You feel more empathy to your family than to a stranger, but not if your parents beat you and a stranger offered you refuge. We need to change our communities so that we aren't competing against each other to survive (especially with jobs) so we can live together as people rather than cornered rats.

You can be raised to see yourself as different to someone with a darker skin colour, or a different religion, but that doesn't mean that humanity has to follow those lines forever.

I've heard different things than what you said about race. So I'll have to do my own research on that

Also I just finished abolition of work! It didn't have much "evidence" but I totally agree with it. Fuck work

No, it's
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Understand?

Unemployment.

this board is really turning into /r/fullcommunism

I think OP has a good point. Most of these jobs would be abolished in what he terms a "properly organized society" and only imperialism allows enough surplus for them to make up nearly the entirety of developed world employment.

Don't get me wrong, service work makes up a large portion of developing world workforces, but since it doesn't produce much in the way of actual value, it tends to cause a stagnatory tendency in those developing countries.

I've always thought spending so much time on a yard is bullshit, even though I'm not a life stylist. Like damn, you could have a mini-farm or food forest in your lawn and save on grocery bills, considering the amount of time that goes into maintaining yards. And if you live in a desert or arid region why even maintain a yard anyway?

Probably OP, a lot of service work is in a way veiled prostitution, maid or butler-type work. It seems like Americans in particular have a religious belief system that any kind of work, no matter what it is, is good, socially-useful, and productive as long as you get paid for it.

I was raised by many people, they called me the "rent a kid", i was raised by a community of people till the age of about 14. My parents were liberals, extremely racist liberals. I had attended a private catholic school till 5th grade when no one could afford to send me their anymore, so i went to a "magnet" public school. I went from having mostly all white classmates, their was maybe one brown kid in the school to being a minority. It was a huge culture shock, i got into a lot of fights with everyone and anyone. I blamed the black kids, even though they were not the real problem. This persisted till highschool, i became more violent and more racist till i eventual started going out at night an looked for people to rob or just hurt, i didn't really care. I started regularly carrying knives at this point, i was extremely paranoid. I robbed someone, almost killed them and got about 10 bucks out of it. Decided to do it again because i was fucking stupid. They had a knife and i ended up getting my hand cut open and a knife in my kneecap. I decided this was no longer a intelligent or safe course of action. After that i became a libertarian, free markets and drugs for all kind. That ran into some logical inconsistency and moral dilemmas, i started looking into socialism but didn't quite like how socialist's had done things in the past even though i liked the concept. I started calling myself an anarchist socialist, even though i had no idea what that really went, i just knew i wanted socialism and not have a government control it. Then i found anarchism, real anarchism existed though punk music and punks. I bought some literature at an anarchist bookstore and online and just kept reading and reading. Then i read Marx's Capital, Lenin's The state and revolution and further critiqued myself and become more communistic. Then i got some jobs and immediately went back to anarchism and stared taking it very seriously, i became involved in the labor movement in one way or another and still am today.

Anything else?

For real though. A Holla Forumsack comes in with a legit topic/question and people are all like FUCKING FASCIST. I didn't give a shit about his flag because he's trying to have some sort of dialouge. Maybe it's because I haven't been here that long and Holla Forums coming over and trolling is a common occurence.

I think it's just redditors not used to handling different opinions flooding in

This. The faggots who in engage in that sort of behavior are the reason that Donald Trump is so popular. If there's ever a revolution, those sorts of people should be gulag'd.

Or you could blame the system instead.

I think people are simply shocked that OP didn't end the post with "and this is why the kikes need to be gassed"

theguardian.com/books/2015/mar/21/books-interview-david-graeber-the-utopia-of-rules

Regarding race and explanation behind the racial ideologies, introductory books into dialectical materialism usually include parts explaining what is exactly going on.

One very recommended and awarded is fundamentals of philosophy by Alexander Spirkin.

gen.lib.rus.ec/book/index.php?md5=AD9D81FEBF4C162FFFC3EA70A416C00F

The basic explanation for why the races are different is that humans are changing, and that change is determined by outside circumstances.
Different races were exposed to different circumstances during time, prompting different change at different pace.

That is why some races have different measurable characteristics that vary among the different races. There is no inherent inferiority. Given different circumstances, any race would adapt to it and develop better characteristics. That is why one cannot say that one race is inherently better than the other one.

If anyone could recommend different book regarding the materialism and the dialectic, maybe shorter it might be better.

I would agree that a lot of what we do is determined by society and culture, but it would be an overstatement to say that NOTHING is hard-wired into us. For example, everyone likes food, sex and having social relations (except maybe people like anorexics, asexuals or schyzoids but they are exceptions, mutations in the social fabric). This makes evolutionary sense because this ensures that we act in a way that increases the chance of our genes being transmitted to the next generation, thus perpetuating the wheel of life.

i like how you make a sweeping generalization that you immediately prove wrong and then just wave away those inconvenient "exceptions"

and there's more to evolution than just fucking and passing on your genes, especially in regards to complex societies where the communal ability to procreate is affected by the influence of the many interlocking roles within that group

I don't think that something being part of human nature implies that everybody without exception has to do it. As long as the overwhelming majority of people across cultures do a given thing spontaneously, I think it is fair to call it human nature.

I agree that your ability to breed depends on your position in society, but it nonetheless boils down to "just fucking and passing your genes". At the end of the day, everything we do (taking care of others, building things, hanging out with friends) amounts to surviving and getting new humans into the next generation.

Only if it's something that has been true in all ages, in every civilization, in any material condition.
What you're describing would only be the currently dominating zeitgeist.

What you say is true and that's why I think we should always be very careful before declaring that something is part of human nature. On the other hand, I think it is as dubious to just assert that nothing is biologically determined. The most reasonable view in my eyes is that we are bio-psycho-sociological being and that each of these dimensions affects the others.

We havnt gone full robots yet because they are trying to prevent people from revolting by keeping unemployment at the 5% mark. Once they figure out a way off the planet they'll probably take the reins off whatever technology they are hiding

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I see what you mean, lots of people are talking about it like Paul Mason, concerning the end of industrial jobs and simplistic service sector jobs. How unlikely is it that robots will be doing these jobs in 30-40 years? Maybe even sooner.

In many ways Capitalism hampers progress and innovation because it depends so much on the wage model, to extract surplus value from the workers, or rent based on property. These go in a vicious cycle, and thats' why libertarians are deluded, mass automation would lead to a horde of unemployed and unemployable people, not a free market utopia, but the very collapse of the global market speculative system.