Protestant Work Ethic and Capitalism

Is the Protestant Work Ethic the secret to success of Nothern Europe and the USA? Do you have the protestant work ethic? What do you think about it?

To me, nowadays, there seems to be a lack of it.

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More along the lines that they were you know, European

The theory has problems in accounting for France(Catholic) which was power #2 and later #3 for most of recent history in Europe and Spain and Austria which were top dogs for several hundred years as well

This theory puts the cart before the horse. Certain people liked protestantism because their priests not only didn't preach against usury, they even loudly applauded them for jewing their fellow countrymen out of their shekels. Others just had enough with the constant interference of the Catholic church.

What these anons said.
Also note that northern Europe was never in fight for their lives. Spain fought alahu akbars for five hundred years. Northern Slavs had to deal with mongols. Southern Slavs were fighting Turkey for five hundred years.

Meanwhile northern Europe was comfortable with a few religious wars.

Protestant Work Ethic = Anglo-Saxon genetics

Read the fucking Protocols.
great work ethic = enriching the Jew

in a normal society
great work ethic = benefitting your family and your community

Protestants are fucking retarded

mostly calvinism though, didnt Luther hate the jews?

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cathokikes get out

Fuck off, Menachem

Hm. But then wouldn't Northern Europe have been the strongest because it fought exclusively other Europeans, the highest tier of national militaries?

Yawn.

Also:

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user, I don't know if you've taken a European History course, but there's a joke that European history is really just military history, because Europeans have been fighting Europeans non-stop, forever. As said, this wasn't a negative, at least not until mechanized, industrial warfare. Strength through Adversity. Spaniards take siestas all day erry day cuz North African muzzies are pussy shit compared to Aryan militarism.


You should derive your work ethic from being a Man, not from a God that you beg to forgive you for being as such.

No because Europe internally didn't practice total war. In many wars a farmer could chill while professional armies had a skirmish a few kilometers away.

In Croatia, every last man and woman would have to defend their town so they're not slaughtered for being Christian, women raped, male children castrated and sold to sexual slavery and female children wed and took far away.

Which part of a few exceptions you don't understand?

Where the fuck did you say that?

that was because of turkroach invasion, right?

While it's always good to hear about heretics getting their come-uppance, I'm not convinced that having to compete exclusively against other Europeans didn't hone the abilities of the Northern Europeans, user.

Unless you're saying that Northern Europeans were secretly weak despite successful colonies and trading, with the examples of the British colonies and Dutch trading.

How did the Dutch trade so much while being such a small country? It's because of the religion which it had developed to withstand European pressures, such as those from the papacy.

From what I understand from the video, material success is not the goal. The goal is to serve others through your work in society. You get money for that which you can use to pay other people that are serving society. Couple that with embarassment of displaying wealth and you get a rich Protestant.

I still think your approach or mindset is tragically materialistic. More 'things' is not a sign of a successful civilization. In an ideal world, you wouldn't need more 'things' to be happy- and that would be the index of a successful civilization.

As said, Protestantism led to economic success because it permitted usury. The same usury which is now an implicit part of destroying our society from within. Having more things should not be a goal in and of itself, and as all of our studies have shown, more material possession does not lead to more happiness. Just the decadence and degeneracy of the modern world.


If the goal isn't material success in and of itself, it's a little less antithetical to the European spirit, but we can see where it led, one way or another. It's my opinion that Protestantism simply doesn't lend the necessary spiritual strength and character to utilize material wealth without becoming corrupted by it.

And Catholicism wasn't strong enough to prevent Protestantism, nor did it deserve to remain as the dominant cultural and spiritual force

Everyday there was a war against mother nature. Also Sweden and Denmark has been involved in more wars with each other than any other two states have been, even more so than France and England. The region of Scania was literally a warzone for hundreds of years.

Dude was more Holla Forums than Holla Forums itself.

you sound like a faggot hippy tree-hugger

Well, they used material wealth to invest in their own business or others' businesses. But yeah, materialism can only be curbed within the frame of Protestantism and if one strays from it he can make money his sole goal.

Nah. Not full Holla Forums

hating nature is the most jewish thing you can do user

I don't hate nature. That user just sounded like your typical libshit.

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He meant Nature was trying to kill us, not that we were killing nature, though as says, you're a kike if you hate nature. Only shitskins ruin nature, ecological awareness is a White value so long as you don't take it to the extreme that hippies do. They love nature because they hate civilization, we love nature because of its inherent and eternal objective fascism (there's a quote I'm referencing that I don't have), though I see here I'm preaching to the choir.


Checked. But why did they invest in those businesses? It was to make more money, and this is the ultimate fault of the capitalist system. It requires incessant input of all of its output. It almost parallels leftist constant revolution in this regard. If the material wealth had been put towards building a great civilization for great men, that would be one thing. But why did the Dutch or the English go to the East and West Indies? To make more money, not for the glory.

Hernan Cortes said something to the affect of "We came for glory and god, but also for gold". This, at the beginning of the Age of Exploration, shows the initial departure from truly virtuous motives. He still has a spark of what really matters, but it's already started to retreat in the face of materialism. Protestantism took that one, two, and then a thousand steps further, until now we have the stock market and walmart.


I'm an American, dipshit, and our society is beyond nihilistic in its materialism.Please kill yourself, you're only making our country worse.

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You're trying to drag this thread off-course, YOU ARE. So, I'm going to TELL YOU to off yourself. Not lethally though, as you noticeably did, "Anonymous".

This thread is still perfectly on course, we're discussing Protestant work ethic and I'm pointing out that the materialism within is degenerate. You're just asshurt because you don't have any arguments.

Too much sodium, you're filtered.

As far as I know it's because they could either save the money or invest. They didn't spend it on themselves like building a huge mansion or buying very expensive clothing and jewelry. Did you watch the video? It's basically "I have this huge pile of money but I don't need nor want to spend it on frivolous things. What do I do with it?" Oh, yeah. There was also philanthropy.

Go back to brit/pol/

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Also, filtered. Stop derailing.

If you invest, you spend money to make more money. A closed, pointless loop- unless you're a philanthropist like you say. This can be good or bad, depending on what you're donating to, but I can't condemn it outright. In the end, that's what it comes down to. What does one donate to? If we had 1000 Holla Forumslacks with 1 million dollars each, all funding Holla Forumslack projects, that'd be fucking sweet. If you have 1000 normies donating to feeding starving Africans, they're just creating more starving Africans.

I didn't watch the video; I know I'm not going to make it through the entire hour and I don't want to make judgments on only the first 15 or 30 minutes. Which is my fault, and I can't defend that. Since I haven't watched it, I really shouldn't try to comment on whether or not Protestantism itself is the sole or prominent cause of economic success, which is OP's question he keeps accusing people of derailing from. As stated above, the usury aspect certainly helped, but that isn't a net positive for a society.

I'm the OP.

Who the fuck is this and why is he sperging? I'm awfully confused. I apologize, but I also don't have anything further to contribute.

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No idea.

I'm still learning about the Protestant Work Ethic. It was nice having your contribution.

Anyone who has worked in the UK, Sweden or the US (and the others) will have some idea of what the Protestant work ethic is. With multiculturalism you'll all have come into contact with muds, slavs, spics, meditarraneans and the like; and you'll have realised that they are basically lazy good-for-nothings when it comes to getting a job done.

Greeks/Italians/Spanish are among the most useless people I've ever met. I have not personally worked with the French, but I have a friend who works in a French company and whilst he assures me that they are competent, they constantly procrastinate by getting upset because their egos are injured or someone disagrees with them on some point; and it makes everything take MUCH longer than it need.

The Protestant work ethic is certainly somewhat responsible for the success of these nations.


Fails when you take into account some of the Nordic nations. Remember that before its 'multiculturalism' Sweden was the world's first and only large scale successful Socialist nation. I cannot really see another good reason for why it could with, if it were not for the fact that these people had a culture of working hard, of not exploiting the system and of playing by the rules.


The Protestant work ethic states that 'everything you do, you do for God'. Its not about material success, its about changing your perspective and working hard whilst complaining little. Its not that the Protestants sought great wealth; its that their approach to life made its creation likely.


No Protestant liked jews until post-1945 with some US 'televangelist' and the occasional traitor/kike who infiltrated churches. Protestants live by the Bible and the Bible, especially the New Testament, is regarded by pretty much everyone as one of the most anti-jewish works in history, with the book of Matthew being the most and the other Canonical Gospels being slightly less.


In Protestant countries the concept of meritocracy was refined. Social mobility before the introduction of mass 'liberalism' was at the highest it has ever been in recorded history. The influence of a good work ethic upon meritocracy should not need explaining.

Need I remind you all that Martin Luther helped spread literacy across Europe and helped to establish the modern german language?

And why did they work hard without exploiting the system? Because they evolved to work hard and care for their fellow man. And it wasn't a short process. It's burned into their genes. Different human races evolved very differently. Here is a whole book on this subject, you should read at least the chapters about the differences between races:

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Also, materialism doesn't work, because owning something doesn't make us happy. Reaching a goal does. So if we buy something, then we will be thrilled for a time, but once that is gone we don't value what we own that much. So materialism requires us to always buy new shit. In a more metaphysical culture we would want to reach the stars and do other impossibly great things. Because we'd have to work hard, and so we'd enjoy every single step of the road.

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And yet that same ethic can be found amongst the English and the Germans, the Dutch and some Americans. Somehow though it is missing from the Irish. It is missing from the French. It is missing from the Greeks and Italians and the rest of Europe.

I get the idea that life was 'harder' in the cold North, but then why does England exhibit this trait and Ireland not?

I'm not stating that it is wholly down to Protestantism, to some extents people actually find ideologies and faiths that fit in with their existing cultures; but to discount the work ethic entirely really shows some degree of bias. I assume that Protestants having something positive to their name would be an affront to you, would it not?

Is this trait objectively quantifiable, and we do know for a fact that Irish are a bunch of lazy bastards? I assume that the Irish having something positive to their name would be an affront to you, would it not?

Not at all, but the vast majority of Irish are. They blame the English for everything, just as the blacks blame the Americans for everything; but at the end of the day it is their own way of life and culture that destroys most of them.

The objective quantifier is the wealth, or at least historic wealth of these nations. What we are using as evidence is a blend of history alongside personal experiences. Whilst it may not be entirely 'correct' to base our understand off of my experiences; I'm fairly certain that I am not alone in having witnessed the ineptness of non-historicly-Protestant peoples.

That's not to say there are none who are decent, but as someone who has worked a fair few jobs in a 'multicultural area' it has become readily apparent that if I want something done, I need to approach certain people; and those certain people are overwhelmingly of Protestant heritage. Others have attested to my experiences in real life, and I believe others in this thread too.

And so we are discussing it.

You do know that England was better off mostly because of the Norman's hauling all their shit there, and then Ireland was their backyard for most of the industrial revolution, so they weren't in a position to outdo the English right? And the UK isn't better off than Ireland, so I don't see your point.
Also, calling them niggers and being so much a cuck for protestantism makes me think that you are quite too biased for this discussion.


Greeks and Italians have nigger genes, and the French also got their loads in the last few century. And Southern Europe is not the whole of Europe. So give me a list with all the ethnicities of the people you've worked with and their work ethics in your experience. And also their positions. Because basing your opinion of a country's work ethics on a few double-digit physical workers who work in Londonistan is more than biased, it's retarded.

pick one

It only really applies to Germans

Seeing as England was a backwater nation when the Normans took over, and then continued to be for the next few centuries; that's complete rubbish.

The English or British became world leaders when they were Protestant, the British Empire truly coming into being with Elizabeth I.


Its neither biased nor retarded. We are taking historical examples of successful Protestant nations and analysing modern-day people from various nations around the world; and seeing if and how their attitudes towards work differs.

The thread is about the effect of the 'Protestant work ethic' on 'Capitalism', and whilst Capitalism can be argued about endlessly regarding its precise meaning; the main thrust of the debate is "was Protestantism an important factor in the rise of Britain, Germany, the Netherlands, Sweden, etc.?"

Feel free to disagree with me, I fully acknowledge that my own experiences are not sufficient; however if my experiences align with those of others then our findings become more acceptable.

The brits sweden and the Netherlands are not renowned for hard work though

Certainly less so today, although I'd still argue that they are considerably harder-working than the others amongst them.

If anything that supports the Protestant Work Ethic theory though. If the English and Dutch only came to power when they were highly Protestant nations, and then lost their power and wealth as soon as they stopped being as religious; then it indicates that their faith was a huge factor in their ascension.

And I say it wasn't. It's a symptom of materialism taking over, not the cause of it. They were plenty of non-Protestant powers, and the Bongs take over backward shitholes because the rest of Europe was busy with each other. And then the other factor is the industrial revolution.. But the industrial revolution is the result of hundreds of years of accumulating knowledge on various fields. So the materialism of protestantism only helped spreading it faster than it would have spread otherwise, I don't deny that.


Define what makes a nation successful then.


Again, I'm sure that you work in some Britbong company where most of the higher ups are from Northern Europe, and so they have jobs that require higher IQs. The rest of the company is then full of people who do jobs that require lower IQs, and they aren't Bongs. And so you base your opinion in this biased sample.

I don't know what I expected.

Fucking hang yourself, anti-white

Except you're objectively wrong, you dirty kike

Found the Mediterranean.

Except I'm not. I'm anglo. I'm just not a dirty D&C kike spreading objectively false information like you.

He's right though.

north Italians are white yes, southern Italians too but Sicilians are definitely somalians
as for greeks they tend to be darker due to sailing

You are objectively wrong, though. DNA testing shows that Sicilians have little to no presence of nigger or North African DNA.

I can understand defending Italy and greeks, but I don't think I've ever seen anybody on here defend Sicilians

I'm defending the truth and nothing else, and the truth shows that Sicilians are not chock full of nigger and North African DNA like is often repeated.

found the kike

wow, you sure are a dipshit

Go have a siesta.

Of course Meds and Slavs are nowhere near as bad as muds and spics, but that doesn't mean they aren't for the most part lazy and borderline useless when it comes to actually get the job done.


Get a job brit/pol/. You'll quickly learn that the vast majority of employees are dead weight and that only a few are actually worth anything. You'll also quickly notice some trends about their ethnicities.


To be honest you may be right. I haven't run away to some other country to steal their wealth so its hard for me to judge whether the natives of certain Med countries are actually good workers; but judging by the fact that most of those countries are close to bankruptcy and are living off of the welfare of Germany, Sweden, France and the UK; I doubt I'm that wrong.

Again, there is more to Europe than North and South. You only compare that two, and ignore most of the continent.


So you are still paying, despite that vote? Heh.

The BREXIT hasn't happened yet. They are saying it probably won't before the end of year, and then after that it takes ~2 years to leave.

Need to gas those kikes.


I'm trying to compare Protestant to Catholic nations really, well historically Protestant to historically Catholic as neither of the two really exist anymore (arguably some of the Eastern European countries are still full Catholic but there are a host of reasons for why using them to prove the Protestant Work Ethic theory is unfair, to name but a few; for many of them a lack of access to water and thus large-scale trade, in perpetual war with Turks and each other, infested with low-tier kikes to obscene levels at the times when other nations were ascending and united). I feel like using their economic failings to bolster an argument for the Protestant work ethic is ignoring so many other important factors; whereas nations like Italy and Spain have far fewer excuses and can thus be more easily compared.

Obviously we'll never have a perfect way to compare, but we can still examine them and make informed judgements upon superior attitudes/perspectives on life.

I'd like some objective evidence to support this claim, you fucking kike. Also, I'm not a med, so nice try.
I'm not a brit either, you massive retard.

And yet they aren't crumbling financially, unlike the Mediterranean countries, so they are doing pretty well despite all those historical hadicaps. And according to you they also don't have that work ethic. So that's why I say the Protestant work ethics aren't as important as genes. Those ethics are the results of the increasingly materialist and mercantile age in my opinion. They basically helped people to accelerate what was already going so. Sort of like a team of people clearing an already existing road, that wasn't used for a very long time.

Catholic nations didn't crumble. Catholic nations were pretty good; France, Spain and Italy back then were decent.

Of course today we have no real religious beliefs in many countries, if anything we live in the age of atheism, decadence, hedonism, materialism and subjectivity. Subjectivism really doesn't go too well when you are trying to make money (or in fact achieve anything quantifiable), not all methods are equal. Pity.

Rather than just being a load of butt-hurt faggots how about you start actually addressing the topic? Could the Protestant work ethic be behind why nations like Britain, the Netherlands, Germany and the USA suddenly overtook the previously more successful nations like Italy, Spain and France (admittedly France remained a strong player at the height of 'Proddy power', which also needs addressing).

On to the next point. Culture endures even when the reasons for it fades. For instance the poverty that my parents grew up in meant that they had to be very cautious with spending money, so they would always turn lights off when they left a room to save on the electric bill. Today there is little reason to do this, and yet I do it instinctively because I was brought up that way. So too with many 'liberals' still believing in meritocracy (and thus having crises when they realise that their socialism doesn't align with it). And so too with work ethics; my parents forced me to work hard, and I think cultural trends across North-Western Europe show this was common for many others too.

Could this be caused by the Protestant work ethic? It would explain why the Brits/Dutch/Yanks/Krauts suddenly overtook the rest of Europe; but why then did France, a non-Proddy country, also do so well?

Can someone address those questions please.


Grow up you fucks, this is directly relevant to the topic and has nothing to do with 'D&C' or anything else. Grow some balls you faggots, stereotypes happen for good reason. I thought you were against all the bullshit that we get for being 'racists? … I guess it only works when it isn't showing anything about you negatively.

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France had connection to both the Mediterranean and Northern Europe. So they had high enough IQ to run a well-working society, because high IQ Germanic and Celtic populations were among their ancestors. Not to mention that the Mediterranean wasn't pozzed at all back then, so their connection to those areas wasn't a problem.

Tell me, do you think an African country could adopt the Protestant work ethics and build a good society?

At first no, he thought the Jews were only Jews because people were mean to them, and if we treated them better, they'd convert.

Years later, he revised his views and wrote his book. Too bad he never recanted his bad theology.


Is that why the false converso jews fled for protestant territory during the inquisition? Most of them became Calvinists because of Calvin's teachings on usury.


Relinquishing the freedom in Christ and going back to the law as laid out by the doctrine Sola Scriptura is returning to the behaviour of the Jew. Protestants are judaizers.


And England was based off plunder, like how the Catholic monasteries were looted because Rome wouldn't recognize King Henry VIII's divorce and remarriage to a woman who he later cut the head off of. They had pirates on payroll like Francis Drake, they sowed dissent abroad but encouraged unity in England. They behaved very much like Jews.

It looks like that dubious honor is reserved for moneylending, actually.

Seems they are more successful than those with a strong work ethic.

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Nobody's interested in the >(1)s.

In my opinion, France enjoyed a lot of proximity and, therefore, influence from the Christians around her.