So Marxists, id you had to choose between supporting an anarchist revolution or a social democrat reform effort...

So Marxists, id you had to choose between supporting an anarchist revolution or a social democrat reform effort, which would you choose?

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Soc-Dem because it can at least increase the well-being of the masses for a few years. Supporting anarchism, on the other hand, amounts to nothing.

i really hope you're not representative of the Marxists on Holla Forums

I'd help the anarkiddies. Soc Dem's are one recession away from fascism.

The answer is obviously dependent on the material conditions.

For example, if there is evidence of a strong, organized anarchist effort with broad mass appeal, that would be the ideal choice. On the other hand, if the vast majority of working society still has no interest in revolt, then the social democrats should get the support.

I would support the anarchist revolution just to see it fail after 2 years.

Let us presume that anarchists have broad mass appeal, strong enough to overthrow the government and institute widespread worker coops.

Mass appeal doesn't mean mass support, however. Due to spooks - let us say many people are attracted to anarchism would vote for a socdem in an upcoming election, because they've been taught to believe voting is better. Thus, if the anarchists win, the people will support them, but they must fight a revolution in order to win. That is, the socdem have just enough power to force anarchists to use violence and not enough to totally suppress it unless their policies win ove the people.

Let us also assume a Marxist movement is virtually non-existent, otherwise, obviously, Marxists would support that. Or, alternatively, several small Marxist movements have supported the larger anarchist movement.

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State socialism is ideal, social democracy is a good alternative if we have to have capitalism. Anarchy is just not practical. I like having muh roads, firefighters and knowing that there is a threat of incarceration for serious crimes like murder, assault, etc.

I trust Anarchists more than those backstabbing revisionists.

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This, it will be nice while it lasts.

Preferably both.

Fucking ew. I will side with the anarkiddies, because at least they get three years before they get overrun by fascists. The fucking SocDems will just hand power over to the fascists.

go fucking kill yourself please.
social democracy paves way for fascism.

now that's what i call a marxist with a brain

this too.
marxists have always backstabbed anarchists and other marxists.

That comic should have included democratic socialism and market socialism. The communist could have said, "demsoc, socialism is the abolition of politics, is a oxymoron bla bla bla" or criticize the marketsoc in some similar manner. Would have been funnier.


They're not revisionists. They're fucking traitors and sell-outs.


Thanks comrade! We can always count on you!! You'll prob. betray us won't you? :)

Anarchists. At least they actually want to upend the bourgeoisie and liberate people.

I'd never support social democrats but I could conceivably support an anarchist revolution. It really depends on the kind of anarchist though. I mean I'd certainly support ancoms but there's no way in hell I'd support mutualists or any other kind of commodity anarchists.


Only if they both get murdered too. They're literally just more extreme versions of social democrats.

of course anarchists, at least they'll decai into communism in spite of soc-dems, that will undoubtedly degenerate into human-faced capitalism.

I'll take the anarchists over the bourgeoisie's slightly pinker assistants, thanks.

These ideologies exist on the same spectrum accounting for private property vs collective property. Everything is a less extreme or more extreme version of the other.

How exactly do you imagine society moving in the direction you want it to when you refuse to cooperate with anyone who isn't on your narrow spectrum of "acceptable" opinion?

The latter, anarchism is fucking retarded.

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Are you stupid?

How do you expect revolution to succeed if people support bourgeois political currents?

I'd support any actual socialist who wishes for people to own the means of their production. Socdems are pretty-face capitalists, so fuck them

The anarchists of course, because I'm not a bourgeoisie loving reformist. If there is an anarchist revolution then by definition they have to have board support. Supporting socdems over that is something Stalinists would do.

basically full communism.
so you are asking if communists would support the reform of capitalism or full communism?

yeah guess what.

The Anarchist revolt will either fail, or organically build it's own vanguard movement (and cease to be Anarchist), so I guess I'd support that

Probably the anarchist revolution. An anarchist federation is closer to a workers' state than any SocDem bourgeois state anyway.

Why can't I support both?

Anarchists so I can sleep with any girl I want

I'd throw my hat in with the most slovenly anarchists over some soc dem scumbag

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You're right. We won't have incarcerations ready for "serious" crimes, we'll have extrajudicial executions, and you just secured a spot on the waiting list comrade.

Dude wtf

!Víva la anarcho-pedo revolución!

I'd begrudgingly help the anarchokiddies.

The Anarchist, clearly. Even Marx supported revolts he knew they had nothing to do against the bourgoise, like the Commune. He stated in numerous occasions that the revolution in Paris in that specific moment was at the very least extremely improbable to succed and at best a suicide, and nonetheless when the proletariat went forward he and the Workers International supported them to the end and beyond.

Thats some pragmatism fo you, you dont let a comrade down aginst the enemy even in the worst conditions

Who's Rosa?

Rosa Luxemburg, co-founder of the Spartacus League, political-theorist and revolutionary who was sadly killed by the socdem party of Germany.
She was based and a qt 3.14

Soc dem tbh.

I'd rather have a bit more wage than 2 years of True Communism™ and then be Franco'd.

The anarchists. Besides from being fucking based, it matches up with my long term hopes for a revolution (though not short ones). SocDems do neither.

thanks american

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But they weren't Frnco'd. The anarchist were ganged up on but ultimately crushed by the Republic which was supported by the state communists.

Dont matter, they still got fucked. This has happend to almost every anarchist revolution. It's a problem inherent in anarchist theory.

Well if the whole world ganged up on a nation and the nation fell, I don't think it would be as simple as saying, "they're system is inherently flawed."

They Soviet Union survived a civil war and a world war.

Cuba survived an invasion from the US

Vietnam survived a war with the US

These places did not give their workers the means of production but they did at least exist for more than 2 or 3 years

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