F35 IS A HUGE SUCCESS IS TOTALLY INVISIBLE TO ALL KNOWN RADAR

The F-35 Lightning II is so stealthy, pilots are facing an unusual challenge. They're having difficulty participating in some types of training exercises, a squadron commander told reporters Wednesday.

During a recent exercise at Mountain Home Air Force Base, Idaho, F-35 squadrons wanted to practice evading surface-to-air threats. There was just one problem: No one on the ground could track the plane.

“If they never saw us, they couldn’t target us,” said Lt. Col. George Watkins, the commander of the 34th Fighter Squadron at Hill Air Force Base, Utah.

The F-35s resorted to flipping on their transponders, used for FAA identification, so that simulated anti-air weapons could track the planes, Watkins said.

“We basically told them where we were at and said, ‘Hey, try to shoot at us,’ ” he said, adding that without the transponders on, “most likely we would not have suffered a single loss from any SAM threats while we were training at Mountain Home.”

Watkins said he can take four F-35s and “be everywhere and nowhere at the same time because we can cover so much ground with our sensors, so much ground and so much airspace. And the F-15s or F-16s, or whoever is simulating an adversary or red air threat, they have no idea where we’re at and they can’t see us and they can’t target us.”

“That’s a pretty awesome feeling when you’re going out to train for combat,” Watkins concluded, "to know that your pilots are in an unfair fight.”

The pilots and crews at Hill have been putting the new fifth-generation fighter through its paces, in preparation for top Air Force brass declaring the plane operationally ready — a move expected within days.

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Why is this a thread?

Why do you say all known radar when what you mean is all radar at one particular base at one time.

why are you against the plane?
and no, I don't care about dead brown people

1.5 trillion later and we're here…. barely?

This level of tech is necessary because…? Killing poorly armed and organized 'terrorists' doesn't require much. What an insane waste of time and money. All military spending is a waste. It's only used for offense for (((globalist))) interests. The only real threats to this country lie within.

Fucking murrikans.

Russia should be our friend and ally, of course, but to disregard their military capabilities is to sign our death warrant.

F35 is a meme.

TELL ME ABOUT THE PLANE!
WHY DOES IT WEAR THE STEALTH MASK?
You're fucking dead, kid. I can be everywhere and nowhere at the same time and I can kill you in over 700 ways, and that's just with $1.5 trillion dollars.

Bullshit propaganda. Too heavy and underpowered and shit aerodynamics.

Too bad they can't hit shit either.

F-35 is a money scam, it's a black hole

Forgive me for not following this plane, but what is it supposed to do? what is it's mission? what does it have besides stealth?

Think aliens.

Yo AyeImaos watch out the F35 is come for you

Its like a shittier F-22 with a VTOL ability for no fucking reason

Now if the technology actually worked where it could switch between "Hover" and "Go fast" modes on the fly and let it act as a close air support gunship like it did in Live Free or Die Hard, then it might be slightly worth it.

The Warthog is the best plane ever made other than the SR-71 and the B-52. The retards who want to retire it need to be executed by BRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRT.

I bet you applauded when King Nigger defunded NASA for his bail outs.

Checked. It's real spooky hiding from the enemy it can't attack.

This is someone with good taste.

You forgot about the F-16 and F-18.
Between the B-1, B-52, AC-130, F-16, F-18, and A-10 we're set on combat planes.
The military could keep ordering those things with avionics and engine upgrades for the next 50 years. Supposedly, the F-22 is less of a hangar queen than either the F-16 or F-18, but it has some major issues that pilots don't like (oxygen supply cutoff is one of them).

Need CAS for non-aa enemies? AC-130 and A-10
Need CAS for aa situations? Clear the way with F-16 and 18s and send in A-10s
Need to bomb shit in aa situations without the help of air support? B-1
Need to bomb lots of shit? B-52
Need to shoot down enemy aircraft? F-16 and F-18

SR-71 is nearly obsolete because of cruise missiles and satellite coverage.

Even the F-14 would be better than the F-35 if it was given a complete rework with modern materials.

some of you guys are alright, dont go to work tomorrow.

surely its impossible

shitposting aside, 10bucks the chinese already have the plans and it takes another 100billion dollars to counter their new knowledge

What about the F-15?

I like the F-15

These Anons speak truth.

Oh boy. Another powerful tool in advancing the plans of greater israel. Fuck.

Imagine a A-11 Warthog II

Now with TWO miniguns

Confirmed.

True.
There are so many good planes from that era that I forget about all of them.

Basically, if you take a plane from the 70's onward and upgrade everything, you'll have a plane that can compete with newer planes. Your "antique" will even be quite a bit cheaper after the upgrades.

It might fly backwards with that armament sir.

Even with all the lost tooling, it could be all recreated and updated for the cost of that f-35 piece of shit and we'd have planes in the air to show for it.

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I can imagine it, and it is glorious, but I don't think it would be able to fire both GAU-8's simultaneously. Like said it would probably fly backwards with the force of both firing at once.

Try an M102 howitzer. The 30mm ammunition used by the A-10 is no longer useful for countering tank columns, which is what the A-10 was designed for.

Isn't the F-35 that piece of garbage that cost trillions of dollars and is outpreformed by its predecessors?

n-nooo, its invisible

And now Britain's Fleet Air Arm is going to be buying them too, because apparently it was too much effort to create a sea-going Typhoon and name it the Tempest.
But then again, our cucked-to-fuck government suggested, in the spirit of EU cooperation, letting the French Navy operate aircraft from British ships. So it's the lesser of two evils.

Isn't the F35 just an obvious cover for black budgets though? That's what I had always heard considering how much money has been poured into it and how long it's been in the works

Britain gutted it's aircraft R&D and decided to purchase it's planes from NATO countries.
And Britain has a hard on for VTOL planes because it builds undersized aircraft carriers.
They have faggy little ramps.

Yes goy, we have the security clearance. Sadly you as a banker do not but we are getting paid by the government and making money so you have to give us a loan and our payroll is classified and our product is classified. But trust me we are making the F-35 and protecting America.

So the F-35 is essentially the Nicholas Cage of military hardware. Fail and disgrace yourself so many times that by the sheer number of chances you have, you can finally score a win due to probability.

1 trillion dollars later!

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because they expect war within 5 years so they want to declare this piece of shit ready and acquire as many as possible and train as soon as possible?

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From what I read, recon planes are still needed for live updating from a battlefield at any given timeframe when the satellites aren't over it. Not to mention it's cheaper than just launching and maintaining more sats. especially now that other nations are slowly starting to get the ability to shoot them down.

Didn't russians disable all electrical signals on a US navy ship for like 30 minutes before, and we still don't understand how they did it? I think they still got us beat lol.

Airforce times states Air Force jet is fucking awesome.

In other news, Hillary is up by 70 points in new poll by CNN.

The F35 is even better and more invisibile than expected.

According to the mainstream media Ghostbusters was liked by over 85 percent of the people who went to see it and the sequel has been green lit.

why not gatling gun and each gun is minigun?

That is a glorious mental image there.

The A-10 is my favorite military plane, because it's practically a GAU-8 with wings.

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you forgot to pick an awacs and refueler, gotta have some logistics to support your fleet user.

Very nice.

How long until a new form of "radar" comes into use? I'm not expert, but theoretically you could use beams of light to recreate what radar waves do now, so long as you had direct line of sight.

google AESA Radar.

It's a shit plane that every branch of the military has said was a shit plane and an F35 thread is an automatic excuse to shitpost

Thanks for the info.

Dick waving.
Anyone who follows weapons tech knows that radar is just one pretty old method of detection.
Can it evade a networked drone swarm with every sensor currently available? How many drones does 1.5 trillion buy. Why can't a drone swarm send updated information to the sam. They could even place themselves in the path of the aircraft. Drone air mines. Pinpoint accurate flak. This is all possible now. Ai weapons are the future, and the future arrives quicker with every new smaller more powerful cpu.

yeah, but we moore's law dead now, we compsci dead now, thanks socjus!

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Thanks for letting us know.

Too bad the F-35 can't do VTOL, only STOVL, its too heavy.

Reminder that when they tested the F-117 it was claimed to have been totally invisible to radar.
Here is a picture of F-117 wreckage after one was shot down by a 3rd rate 1990's vintage Russian missile battery in Serbia.

Late 1950's missile battery in 1990.

And after the shootdown, the USAF decided that stealth wasn't so great after all, mothballing all 57 of their F-117s.

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The F117 was a plane with a weak manoeuvrability ( bad
aerodynamics ), his only force was the stealthness. That's normal they get rid of it ( even if it my favorite plane ).

I'm reminded of The Men from the Ministry… (en.wikipedia.org/wiki/The_Men_from_the_Ministry)

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To be fair, the dumb burgers flew their plane during the day so all you had to do was aim. Apparently, they wanted to bomb the orthodox churches in broad daylight for maximum moral damage to those filthy racist christians.

They made it, it worked but wasn't completely perfect and fool-proof, so now they're designing another and another until they finally, finally get their stealth aircraft right. What inefficiency!

I imagine that Russians would make a stealth aircraft that does 99% of the job at 2% of the cost, while we sink money into chasing some technocrat dream.

U.S. radar systems confirmed for shit.

They should have borrowed the old Russian radar that locked in on the F-117 in Yugoslavia.

It looses its invisibility as soon as you strap a bomb to it and is outperformed in dogfights by older planes. It is useless for combat.

That got confirmed years ago, they hacked the pentagon and stole all the plans for it along with god knows what else

never mind

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I know you're only pretending to be retarded with this false dichotomy, but stop being retarded. Even if we needed better offensive technology (instead of just not having an incomprehensibly stupid, or rather malevolent, foreign policy) this plane would not be worth the resources poured into it. and point the way

Are the missiles stealth as well? It looses its stealth as soon as you strap anything metal on the outside of the plane. At least older stealth planes carried the bombs on the inside.

Lockheed shill plz…

Take your pozz'd stock-shares elsewhere!

Pussies.

No. The point of the (((military industry))) uses is taht the F-35 does not need dogfight abilities because it will fire the missiles from beyond visual range. This means that the enemy has no chance to engage, only to evade.

It's primary function is siphoning your tac dollars to Lockheed Martin


It's a money-sink. No wonder so many governments backed out of the deal.

the f-35, the poster child for the next Top Gun

Maverick pisses off the ruskies, yet again, this time though, they mess with his electronics.

Maverick dies…., dis gun be good

"…a F-35 due to pilot error malfunctioned and crashed in Turkey today during an exercise…"

Sweet, now we need to produce all ten of them we can afford.

I think radar is probably outmoded nowadays. With all the ground and orbital hardware out there I'd guess there's decent "optical" coverage and tracking.

the A-10 is a beautiful machine, but it's meant to be a fucking tank buster, not a strafe gunner.
using it to just mow down muds is so cost ineffective that it's like using a rolls-royce to plow corn fields. you could easily do the same thing for 50 million dollars less by strapping a machine gun to a cesna.

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This. Only the strong are respected.

Then why stealth at all? I swear, everyone is in on this. I doubt nukes are real at this point.

>en.wikipedia.org/wiki/VERA_passive_sensor

that's why you had to bully our government and later buy whole company, amirite? :D

There is literally nothing wrong with an F-35.

This tbh I was literally snigger ingredients the whole time I read this, it reads like pasta someone from would have come up with, then to see that link at the bottom, smdh this is too funny.

*sniggering

Stop.

It's to give billions of dollars to the share holders of Lockhead Martin and to keep some plebes busy and not plotting

great so now we can sell these planes to our enemies and they can stealth nuke us?

Stealth is stealth against radar, ie, outside of visual (non radar) range.

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Sure, but isn't this the plane that causes the pilots to pass out and almost kills them?

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Cool propaganda.

Oh Btw, I have to wonder if this talk about China stealing F-35 isn't just some bullshit propaganda because US saw the chinks were gradually catching up and decided to go "Dey took yer secretz!"

Also, it doesn't even fucking matter anyway if they hacked for information. You could handle over every data of the computer models and design sheets regarding the fucking fighter plane to my huehueland and this country wouldn't be able to build shitworth out of these pieces. China is able to do it.

Kek, underrated post

My list was combat. AWACs, refueling, cargo, and troop carriers aren't combat.

For logistics:
AWAC - radar coverage
C-130 - light cargo
C-5 - heavy cargo
C-130 - refueling
C-130 or C-5 - long distance troop mover or parachute insertion
CH-53E - heavy/long distance helo transport and troop carrier
MD520N - fast insertion troop carrier and light CAS (civilian model, but NOTAR is good for troop deployments in small areas)
Bell 412 or UH-60 - medium helo troop carrier with light CAS


Everything I said in my last post holds true. Aside from the helicopters, every good plane had it's first flight before the 80's. Even the helicopters are just iterations of older designs.

Even then, I'm leaving out surveillance and observation.
At which point, I'd refer back to SR-71 or global hawk for high altitude coverage, and predator drones for low altitude.

Fast evac would be covered by loitering Bell 412 or UH-60s.

Its bullshit.
Unless you mean Israel walking off with the tapes, then its true.


Me, I'm looking forward to the refined helaids being shoved on.
Fuck the lift fan, we tactical lasers now.

>A-101 Thunderbolt III, aka "Boar"

My fucking dick.

I am not a /k/ member,but I read an article that the F35 is an amazing fighter jet the best in the world, but, it's production costs and timeline have been a complete failure.

Why only before the 80s? Is it war that makes the environment for development superior?

It's objectively inferior to the F-22, because it tried to be everything at once.

It doesn't even have a machine gun. You have to add it on in an external pod, which then fucks your supposed super stealth.

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Nigger most planes haven't had machine guns since ww2, they're cannons.
dammit

The F-35A, which is the variant you want to compare to the F-22, does have a gun. Since the F-22 doesn't have naval or vtol variants it isn't fair to compare them on that point.

But yeah, they should not have made the F-35A anyway. They should just have continued making F-22s.

What is even wrong with the F-22? Its a great jet. Why fix what isnt broken? Do we even use fighter jets any more? Our enemies dont even have planes. We need attackers, and they tried to make the 22 and 35 both fighters that can hit ground targets. Just improve the A10 or some shit. Also fuck helicopters and vertical take-off.

I suspect it was because the DOD was primarily run by people that saw active combat and understood the importance of pragmatism. After they retired the new, non-combat generals started listening to our best ally for decisions.
The F-32 is a result of the decision makers saying, "if it looks good it flies good" and wanting a JSF instead of two or three task-specific fighters.

With air, it's very important to understand that you can only do one or two things per aircraft without major retrofits. You get 1 primary thing that it does well, like troop transport, and 1 secondary thing that it does, like CAS with a minigun and a rocket pod, as an afterthought.

The JSF program attempted to cultivate a fighter that could do everything including CAS, bombing runs, low altitude scouting, and air supremacy. The original plan was to have different models of the F-35, one with vtol, and others without. At that point in the game, the fan was recognized as dead weight most of the time, but the Marines wanted their VTOL.

Now, the flop is sold only with the fan.

Now for the major question: Why use a giant fucking fan when you can redirect exhaust gases like with the Harrier?
The military imposed a "no pop stalls" rule on the trial planes, which rigged the trials in favor of Lockheed Martin. Pic related. The X-32 was technically better even if it failed during testing.

I meant F-35

Warfare is the reason we don't still live in caves.
The struggle for survival against an evolving enemy is what has driven technological innovation.

Still gets splashed in one shot by an S300 targeting on the pilots sclera.
Simply put, human pilots in subsonics are a liability against any near peer opponent.
If you want a human, you need to be traveling mach 2.3+ to remain effective against modern missile threats.
Of course that means you have to build bigger planes for fuel tanks, and drop the obsession with near carrirer designs.

Granted, I know nothing about the plane but it sounds like theyre overselling it.


Also seeing as /k/ is here I'd like to ask whats the consensus on God Rods.
Are they prohibitively expensive and impractical or are they really the future of warfare?

What do you mean by this? It is radar guided.

You could spend that tungsten on better things like penetrators, tank armor, reactor walls, or even better the tooling used to machine everything.
Of course, our leaders could have spent the entire F-35 budget on colonizing mars and been there by now.


A-10 is CAS, you can't have CAS without other air support to neutralize enemy AA.
Plus, knowing an actual pilot is there to provide your CAS is a huge moral booster.
In a drone room, a CO could easily transfer control of a drone if a pilot refuses orders to ignore the pleas of ground troops.

Continuation of
If things are that bad, you'd be an idiot to not use decoys to cover your go fast jets while they're taking out AA to pave the way for your CAS and troop deployment.

If you watch the video, "launched in-masse from non-traditional platforms", that's code for dumping them out of planes from the 50's.

Not if you're British.

Terminal photo imager.
Lets you lock onto the antiglare mask or the pilot's eyeball.
Occasionally misses and hits the canopy instead.


CAS is not as useful now thanks to the advantage of standoff weapons.
The idea of CAS as gun runs and visible craft is over.
Modern CAS is best done with a bus and never coming within 25 KM of the target.
Morale is easily met by just blowing the shit out of anyone else in the AO.
Its also helpful as it reduces the threat of enemy complexes and citadels being able to paint and engage in nonmanuverable delivery phases.

Key word "terminal", meaning end-of-flight.
Terminal guidance relies on the main guidance to get in range, which is radar in the case of the SA-10.

And you have datalinks to guide the missile through to the low observability envelope as is.
The painter and detection radars have a greater effective range than the rocket motor for the F35.
So its still a good plan.
S400 is better, but is seeming to be more of a silver bullet use right now, particularly in regards to S500 deployment and demos of S600.
Kind of naft at this point, the designs are effectively now suicide UCAVs rather than wholly SAMs.
OTOH, I do look forward to the new heavy payload designs for carrying cluster munitions to ensure a degradation of active countermeasure systems.

wtf i want a free ipad

Didn't they lose the blueprints to the A-10?

ebin slide

So we'll cause global warming so it gets lost in the background noise.
Why do you think we've blocked any attempts to stop it like we're a Canadian hockey team?

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I am interested in realistic flight sims. sadly my computer is shit and I only play 10-15 year old games


It is well armored and a nice speed for it though. Plus, in minor wars, the money is probably worth it not to have planes getting shot down more often and pilots being drug through the streets or being used as bargaining chips.


fixed wing is best wing


That's probably all they do still have

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Then why did the YF-23 get axed? It was far superior to the F-22 and sexy as fuck, it didn't look like a Fisher-Price design. What little reading I've done says that the 22 was performed for generals with weapons displays (which weren't officially called for or necessary), and they were wooed with dudeexplosionslol despite its glaring inferiority, and other shit its mfr did to sway them. IIRC it was also sold to congress as a way to bring money to their local constituencies, which only added problems to the manufacturing process being spread all over USA with so many different companies partaking. Am I right in my understanding?

america will sell a few to Israel ( they will pay for it with US foreign aid ) who will then sell them to China.

Greatest ally.

The same reason we have nukes. It sends a strong message to any country who might want to pick a fight with us.

my sides desu

Try X-Plane. It's fairly old, and it models aerodynamics based on the actual polygon model and not presets like Microsoft Flight Simulator. So you can download or create custom planes that fly the way they should, aerodynamically-speaking.

I have no idea why it got axed.
Lockheed-Martin has been known for some time now to be favored over other manufacturers.
It could be as simple as Lockheed paid off a majority of the decision makers.

The last good plane they made wasn't even a ground up design, it was a retrofit.

Saging because this has played out.

Tell your bosses that you need better talking points. Your bullshit picture that doesn’t refute anything might work on Facebook, but not here.

I'm calling it since no one else seems to - Bullshit.

Older, wider band radars have no problem picking out "stealthy" airplane designs, including the F35.

The F35 remains a massive boondoggle. Deal with it.

yeah it's just propaganda to make the goyim feel secure -

Flak guns operated as batteries and each battery had a fire control command that would track the enemy and judge it's distance and course. It would take several seconds before the shell make it up to the altitude of the plane by which time it could change course or altitude.

It was already a difficult task in WWII when planes were much slower so unless you have a fuckton more guns that can saturate the sky, forget about it.

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feels good man.

keked.

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You guys seen the upgrade package for the F-15?

The SE variant?

Fucking sexy as hell.

stealth and avionics upgrades, ya know…..

Conformal weapons bays, canted tail for crossection reduction, special radar absorbing materials….

And best of all?

It's still a motherfucking F-15.

STILL needs more dakka, ye grot.

When you think that NASA's achievements were really Nazi scientist achievements, then you can understand why we like NASA round these parts.

That's what I got out of the whole program too.

F-22 had a better PR campaign.

Look at this Sexy YF-23 in pic….

Tell me that is not a sexy aircraft, if you are in the mood for LYING. (lol)

Stealth is nice, but it would be nice to have a plane that doesn't catch fire

The F-23 looks like something out of science fiction, no wonder Northrop thought they had it in the bag, but they didn't realize how the Washington machine works these days.

The Silent Eagle is also still cheaper than the F-35 and spanks it in performance.

Dude… it's an F-15.

There is a reason they have been land based fast air interceptors for the past couple of decades…

Their performance is off the fucking chain!

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Laser guided anti sattelite missile, anyone?

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Scramjet boost phase.

WWII artillery, especially the heavy stuff, was slow. With modern auto canons, you just need to increase the rate of fire per gun not the total number of guns. There are damn good reasons modern AA complexes still include flak guns.

Even during Vietnam, flak accounted for a significant chunk of American downed aircraft.

German scientists, nigger.