I wrote this (here) back before the exoduses when Holla Forums had actually meaningful content and wasn’t overrun with intl and staffed by a literal paid shill. Feel free to use it to blow the fuck out of faggots who think “HURR IT’S NOT THE 1800S ANYMORE YOU CAN’T ANNEX LAND HURRRRRR”. Also feel free to help me expand it so that it encompasses an impenetrable wall of objective fact.
I support the recognition of a nation’s ability to claim and defend territory within its means.
Regarding Israel specifically, it does not have the means to take on the entire Muslim world at once, nor does it have the ability to administer even the entirety of its claims outside its current borders (namely “Greater Israel” in any of its incarnations). I don’t support international assistance to Israel because of its status as a rogue nuclear state, because of its history of war crimes and false flag attacks, and because of the behavior of its people around the world in subverting the economies, politics, and rights of peoples in other nations.
If Israel can claim a piece of land, gain it militarily, and hold it, then that’s what is designated as Israel. Similarly, if Britain claims, say, the entirety of Patagonia, if they can take and hold it militarily, then Patagonia would be British.
“Historic” claims are of little consequence to anyone. The American southwest used to be Mexico, for example, but we beat the snot out of Mexico and took it. Now it is American. Mexico no longer has a valid claim on that land, as their claim was ended when the US beat them. They also could not make a new claim on the land today, as they could not take it or hold it.
Aquitaine and Normandy were once English. They are no more. Thus, Britain has no claim on them unless they were able to, in wartime, beat France and restore control.
For the most modern example, Russia willingly gave up its claim to Crimea when it transferred it to Ukraine in… what was it, the 1960s? Crimea was Ukrainian. However, Russia successfully reclaimed Crimea last year, and thus Crimea is Russian again.
I understand that Israel came into being based on an unfounded claim, but the ability of the Jews to form a country and, through war, justify that claim, means that Israel does exist. If someone wants to end Israel, they’d have to go to war and win.
As I said before, claims can be won, lost, and also be utterly unfounded. Zanzibar could claim New Jersey, but if it couldn’t hold the land, the claim would be meaningless.
I also mentioned that I don’t like the idea of supporting Israel, and I listed reasons why. As Israel has often stated they’re willing to “go it alone”, I say let them. Personally, I want the US to go isolationist. Not reduce its military might, but also not get into proxy wars for them or any wars in which the US does not treat its conquered enemies as conquered enemies.
Allies in war aren’t antithetical to this idea, but they’re also not something to be, as Bibi would say, “above the law”, as that’s insanity.