Holla Forums does not support gun control...

Holla Forums does not support gun control. Gun control is an attempt by the bouregoise currently in power to prevent the working class from ever staging a successful revolution.

While posters on Holla Forums have varying stances on gun control (training requirements, mental health checks, etc.), they are overwhelmingly in favor of arming the proletariat, and are against banning guns. Famous leftist heroes such as Marx, Orwell, and Huey P. Newton were all pro-gun.

No one cares.

that's only before the glorious revolution. After that everyone is equal and everyone is at peace so no need for guns anymore comrade!

t.Stalin

kek. Stalin was a nationalist fuck.

who gives a shit about what some useless and delusional commies say about anything?

go be mediocre on your containment board. only the strongest ideas survive here.

a commie funded by a jew
(((trotsky)))

Everyone who agrees and would fight for me should have guns. Everyone who disagrees with me and would fight against me shouldn't have guns. t. all politicians ever

Everyone should have access to guns at all times and no restrictions should exist. Restricting access to firearms is the first step toward tyranny. t. all intelligent citizens ever

What are you saying comrade? You want to be my equal by working in the gulag? that's fine idea!

AM I DETAINED? AM I UNDER ARREST?

You're deluded. When leftists talk about limiting who can own guns, what they really mean is that they, as obviously mentally superior capable people, should be able to have guns but anyone they disagree with should be labelled deranged and incompetent and not be allowed to own guns. They may believe in the right to bear arms, but their idea of gun control is just another avenue of delivering themselves power.

The truth is they know as long as the right has guns their cultural revolutions have a popsicle's chance in hell of even starting let alone succeeding.

I like guns and I like socialism. It will be very hard to obtain and uphold socialism without guns.

We know. We still don't agree with their ideology just because we both agree on one thing

just because nobody cares about your kike ideology doesn't mean you come here for attention. use your guns to kill yourself.

You kidding? You right wingers started a proper revolt in the west would be one of the best thing that could happen for hard socialist and communist revolutions as well. Once the current order is overthrown, that leaves a power vacuum and certain parts of the world would be very open to socialist systems. Y'all can have your nazi-style state over in the midwest, but I'm turning California red as fuck because right now it's a disgusting nanny state that loves big business too much.

Never change, leftypol.

Never change, Holla Forums.

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gun control comes after the revolution

Get back you me when you understand that people are fundamentally different and any efforts to make them equal will fail and government oversight to ensure such a vain effort succeeds is a waste of resources.

Lel, please don't go full north korea so we can at least witness the carnage and misery and have a jolly good time watching streams of your little "utopia".

Every red regime has taken weapons from the citizenry. Who gives a fuck what they prefer, it will happen as it always has.

why do you always refer to people by de humanizing words like protetariat and bouregoise

Get back to me when you know anything about the actual concepts behind socialism. I'll give you a hint, it's not forcibly 'making people equal'.


Fucking gay, I like my AKs. You're not taking shit.


It's okay, the parts that are really awful will just get soaked up by Mexico. Then again, no matter what we do we'll have a lot of stoners who don't actually like working so who the fuck knows.


lol

Not to mention that "proletariat" is basically the same as calling someone a nigger or a pleb.

Supporters of the Marxian cancer are plebeianiggers.

spooked as heck, bro

Try finding organ donors for your mixraced children, Carl.

you try relating your struggles to a poor negroid and a rich anglo-saxon and see which one shows more understanding for your situation

just call yourselves anarchists you fucking retards. every time you get called out on STATE run socialism you claim its not real socialism.

Anarchism is socialist.
t. anarchist

Lad, some of us want to promote nationalism even to the nogs. I wouldn't have a problem working with black nationalists if it means we have a shared goal

There can be a state involved in socialism, but the state controlling all of the economy is not what modern socialists consider the goal to be. That is not giving power to the people, as is the end goal.

We already knew this. They're not going to tale anybody's guns though. If they wanted to, they would have.

Well then hey, that's a reasonable opinion to hold. And even though most of us socialists believe in eventually dissolving borders, that is only a viable option once the whole world has the ability to experience prosperity wherever they live. In the short term, we would likely agree with many of the protectionist policies you do.

"The parts I don't like about california will disappear and no longer be my problem :DDDD"


"My plan, which requires the mass expropriation and likely slaughter of political dissidents, probably won't work since leftists are universally incompetent and worthless people."

Friend, I think reddit is the place for you.

By "ppl", you mean loyal party comrades.
Everyone else go to gulag.

you cant even form a rational point in response to anything.


so if its not government enforced socialism then it is voluntary, which is what capitalism is supposed to be. gas yourself.

So, what is your argument against anarchism being socialist?

When was the last time you were among the poor, you fruitcake?
Niggers don't even help other niggers. Also, racial tensions are probably higher among the poor than anywhere else.

oy vey
In reality, making working matter to people who would otherwise be alienated by the concept by making the impact on the community more direct and visible would likely do a lot to get people involved. People who don't enjoy working currently don't feel in control, giving them that via socialism would change a lot.


It would still be government enforced by nature of not allowing a capitalist class to form again, but modern socialists debate on what level of control the state should have in the economy. Market socialists believe that every business should be a worker's co-op but not much else should change, others believe that a whole community should have a say in what a given business does. The main point is that the people have control, not just a controlling class in government. Vanguard classes have not worked.

boy this post sure did change my mind about the 300 people on a backwater internet board

nevermind the leftist media pushing gun control on millions

this one strawpoll means i am now a communist

thanks OP

Why is this okay?

wow tell me more user i've never heard this before
i wonder if my goal is to empower people in that situation or something like that thus why i'm a socialist nah probably not


They suck up to big business, they're about as left as the Clintons. Establishment is neither left nor right, they merely do whatever is necessary to keep themselves in power.

what are you sliding?

"Lets make your job your identity and how you view yourself and others! That will get people to care about their communities!"

Newsflash kid, most people don't care about their communities because they don't need to in order to survive. Hell, there are people who would sell out their own families for power and money. Communal living is a joke when speaking about large groups of unrelated people, including most modern socialists' view of the "community".

Let me guess, there are no examples of real socialism working, right? Maybe if we try one more time….

Its not that we hate them so much as we want our nation to be pure and thrive. It doesn't necessarily mean we don't want the same for other nations. I would rather africans be proud of themselves if it means they could go back to their homelands and be happy with their culture and people there.

Oh, yes, and this can be solved of course by making sure everyone's white right? Brilliant plan, that.
By the modern definitions that people are looking into now? Yes, absolutely. Have there been some by the definitions of the early 20th century? Yeah, but we didn't like the results of that so we've changed what we're going for. We're not retards, we're not going to do the same thing over and over and expect different results.


In the case of Europe I can understand some pro-purity arguments, but America isn't an Anglo-Saxon land. It's always been filled with different people, there's nothing gained from magically trying to regain a purity that was never there.

Da comrade, once glorious revolution everyone will get according to needs! and if you don't need gun then you don't get to keep gun!

t.Lenin

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In the case of America I would rather us go back to segregation but for both races to have equal services and accommodations. But Europe has to stay completely European.

Yeah, but you see user, that's not what the left thinks of the "community". That community is too white and reactionary, you need diversity. You need to pay for Rosa and Taneriqua's kid because your part of the "community". And G-D forbid you deny them your earnings and property shitlord.


It certainly makes it easier. Have you ever lived near an almost all white town consisting of 2,000 people or less? Its practically paradise, and social cohesion is very pronounced. Maybe you should get out more.


So why not try going small and proving the concept as a group? Why is there this push to get as many people as possible on your half-baked system? Go form a commune/town/cult and prove your concept.


What didn't you like about them?


I sincerely doubt that, since most of the times they tried to implement their policies they failed massively, usually from the same central problems.

Holy shit, you guys really are a meme.

Last part obviously meant for .

I don't give a shit what /leftycuck/ thinks or does. Fuck off

/cuckypol/ also supporns open borders and mass migration of disgusting shitskins into white countries.

Why would I want a socialist system where 1/2 my pay goes to welfare for lazy niggers?

I know, but the overton window is shifting on over to our side. People are waking up and they're starting to not take the shit they're trying to force on us anymore

Because you're part of the "community" user!

Because that's the new American Dream, user.

Be anything but a white cis male and start collecting money from social programs.

A true Alpha Male would simply allow bullets to bounce off of his rippling muscles.

Most people discussing communism agree that all people should have to work, the concept of welfare isn't a thing. I love talking over here, you guys don't know a single thing about the left other than liberal faggots and you just assume you're actually masters on the subject.


See above statement. Also, private property is not personal property you fucking retard holy shit.
They didn't end up empowering the worker any more than capitalism, as they ended up in essence being state capitalism.
Yes, and most of those socialist states were running off of older ideas and concepts. As I said, modern socialism is looking to take a different approach.

So they think we should be allowed to have some firearms. Did the poll specify what kind of firearms? No

of course, all people need to work

especially in the gulag, for the rest of their lives, alongside their entire family!

Go back to Holla Forums fucking nigger, no one cares.

Stamped receiver AKs for all. You can choose what caliber you prefer though, I'm not picky.

why would they need guns in the bottom of the sea? they'll be useless

how about this, you need to drink water a few times a day, or else you'll get dehydrated, right?

How'd you feel if I put a gun to the back of your head and told you "chug this glass for the motherland or I will kill you and rape your daughter"?

Progressive!

But most people would rather not work if they don't have to, or some, if they can, will break and bend rules and collude to rip others off. Why are you not getting this? Is there some sort of mental problem you leftists have that makes this simple point impossible for you to understand?


Its only personal property until someone who is politically connected deems it private property and confiscates it for their own use.


Why did this happen? Hint: something to do with what I said above in previous posts


Slapping a new paint color on a shit car is still trying to sell a shit car.

Holy shit, you're a retard. Nobody's actually suggesting forced labor camps, merely that regardless of who you are you'll do some work that benefits the community every day. Roadwork, construction, all these many jobs that we need done in the modern world but sadly don't currently have the manpower to do right.


brilliant, m8
Yes, and that can happen with any totalitarian state thus why we want to avoid totalitarianism? There is nothing inherent about socialism that says it has to turn out in a totalitarian state, merely that the majority of revolutionary groups left or right end up being dictatorships because a small group of people are given enormous amounts of power. This is something that is less likely to happen in modernity because people can stay informed as to what's going on and should a revolutionary party turn dictatorial, everyone will know about it. but no it's actually because socialism wants everyone to be equal by force you're right
See above. Capitalism is not a better option than socialism for a revolution, as it will likely end the same way unless there is a consistently aware and vigilant populace. In a stable, free state, capitalism is in my opinion a worse option than socialism specifically because it is designed to give an exceptional amount of power to a few people who will then manipulate the system however is necessary.
Too bad that in all the places where capitalism hasn't worked out, they don't have an alternative. Real shame.

Except I was, when I made a joke about the gulag, and you replied with "afraid of a little work?"

But, why should I be forced to do work for some abstract concept as community. If it's a community I belong to and care about, wouldn't I do the work already? Why do I need the government to force me to? Does it make me a better comrade if I need the secret police to show up at my house to force me to build road for glorious country or end up dead in ditch? I would argue it makes you a better "comrade" if you do the work of your own volition. Why do you a bigger government to force people to follow your ideas, unless you believe your ideas are unsavory and won't be adopted by many?

oh you're so right, if only they'd had TWITTER and FACEBOOK back in the days, then all those socialist atrocities would have been avoided.

You're fucking delusional. I'm sure you've read Animal Farm in school. Read it again. When the animals took over, it wasn't a secret. They did it openly. Everyone knew. But they thought it was what they wanted.

I honestly thought you weren't enough of a faggot to assume that mandatory work would literally mean labor camps and you were just exaggerating for the sake of a joke. I'm sorry for assuming so highly of you, user.
As I was saying, you already have mandatory work in order to be able to eat and survive. It's not outright described as mandatory, but you go to your job and do your part and in exchange your life stays about the same. I wasn't saying that I personally agree with the exact concept of mandatory work hours, I more believe in empowering all members of a community via communal decision making so that all people are involved in local policies and benefit from working within their community, I was purely pointing out that the whole 'socialism = nanny state' thing is complete bullshit and that you're retarded.

You're an idiot. The world has changed massively just over the past 50 years, the way a revolution will go is very likely to be different than pre-internet. With that said, it's also likely that the revolution will be right wing as fuck based on current events so I'm not so happy about that but we'll just have to see what happens.

Go back to your board retarded cuck.

There's a reason Yuri called your faggots useful idiots and political prostitutes.

You're arguing "well you already HAVE to work now, so what does it matter if the government FORCES you to?"

Well the difference you socialist piece of shit is that people like to have a feeling of autonomy and freedom. Yes, I need money to eat, but at least I can choose where I work, what job I want, where I want to look for a job, etc. That's a lot better than getting a letter in the mail that says "Dear comrade, you will build fence for glorious neighborhood. if do not, no rations for entire family for a month."

Ask yourself this (because I honestly do not care) WHY do you need the strong arm of the government to force people to do what you want them to. If you truly claim to be a fighter and revolutionary for the people, why would you want them to be as free as possible, and have the the government as weak as possible to allow for this?


You honestly believe that the internet will give you the communist revolution that all those before you failed with. Luckily, we aren't going to give you faggots a chance to try. I can't wait for the day we get right-wing boots on the ground and I can kick in the teeth of socialist swarmy fucks like yourself.

Don't worry comrade, it's for the good of the glorious country, I promise! Now bend over and make yourself useful.

Oh, no doubt, which is why people really like capitalism right now what with all the options people have! Oh, wait.

Holy shit, you're still on the 'socialism = nanny state big government' shit aren't you? Man, I knew Holla Forums was classcucked but I assumed they had third grade reading comprehension at least.

Oh boy, I can't wait for you to side with police and big business because they're against the bad lefties! Yes, they'll pay you to shoot down the revolutionaries you truly are a good boy.
I'm done, I'm past the point of taking you seriously and you're blatantly not reading anything I'm saying so we'll call it here.

You need some NatSoc

oh baby that sounds like all of the things i love most

kek m8.


But why, my retarded friend? Why is it that small but dedicated groups end up controlling so much?

Pure, unadulterated delusion. A true example of leftist "thinking".

You really need to get out more. People are less aware today then they were 20 or 30 years ago precisely due to social media.


The real shame is that such a solution was devised and was working well until several major world powers decided to spam their young men into war to stop it from threatening their hegemony.

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Oh, oh, you're a nazi. My bad! It's always hard to tell with you fellas, what with you hating the soviet union justifiably and then loving a state with essentially the exact same model (albeit with some more corporatism on the side of nazis) that hated eachother for purely political reasons.
Oh, no doubt they exist seeing as the establishment has stayed in control for a very long time. It's just a shame that the first large group to counter it is you faggots. /n/ was a mistake, /new/ was a mistake, Holla Forums was a mistake. You guys could've actually been proper revolutionaries if you had gotten a little bump towards class conflict instead of fuck niggers
No, you're just more aware of the fact that they've not been aware because the internet lets you find that out. Bless your heart, child.

What do you think about strasserism user?

who cares?

Yep, going from a inflated hellhole to one the world's top powers that valiantly almost held off against almost ever other major power, developed many modern technologies, and lead to one of the highest peaks of western civilization, really oppressed them, didn't it?

Best of all: this "oppression" lasted only 13 years and did all of these things.


Go back to the oven.

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top kek

Could be worse, honestly. It's the titoism of Nazis and much like titoism it got Stalin'd the fuck down.


And Russia went from a feudalist farmer's state to a world power in 20 years, yet somehow that doesn't mean it's inherently good either.

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tbh I think supressing the strasserists was a mistake, from a strategic point of view. It burned all the bridges with the USSR

Checked.


At the conclusion of the First World War, the German Empire signed the First Armistice at Compiègne on 11 November 1918 as an end to hostilities with France, the British Empire, and the United States during the convoluted German Revolution of 1918–19, which began 29 October 1918.

Negotiations between the Allied powers regarding post-war Europe started on 18 January 1919 in the Salle de l'Horloge at the French Foreign Ministry on the Quai d'Orsay in Paris. Initially, 70 delegates from 27 nations participated in the negotiations. The opposing nations of the German Empire and the Austro-Hungarian Empire were excluded from the negotiations. At first a "Council of Ten" comprising two delegates each from Britain, France, the United States, Italy and Japan met officially to decide the peace terms. It became the "Big Four" when Japan dropped out and the top person from each of the other four nations met in 145 closed sessions to make all the major decisions to be ratified by the entire assembly. In June 1919, the Allies declared that war would resume if the German government did not sign the treaty they had agreed to among themselves. The government headed by Philipp Scheidemann was unable to agree on a common position, and Scheidemann himself resigned rather than agree to sign the treaty. Gustav Bauer, the head of the new government, sent a telegram stating his intention to sign the treaty if certain articles were withdrawn, including articles 227, 230 and 231. In response, the Allies issued an ultimatum stating that Germany would have to accept the treaty or face an invasion of Allied forces across the Rhine within 24 hours. On 23 June 1919, Bauer capitulated and sent a second telegram with a confirmation that a German delegation would arrive shortly to sign the treaty.

On 28 June 1919, Germany signed the Treaty of Versailles, a peace treaty which formally ended the state of war and imposed various punitive measures upon Germany, including military restriction, loss of territory and colonies, war debt, and effective acceptance of blame for the initiation of hostilities in World War I. At the time of the armistice, an attempted Communist revolution transpired (October 1918-August 1919) , resulting in the abdication of the Emperor of Germany in November 1918, and what became known as the Weimar Republic was subsequently established in the wake of the uprising. The transition from monarchy to republic was difficult, and many in the new government were not supportive of the democratic system of government. The officer class gave little support to the Republic, and Germany was forced to borrow money from the United States and others to pay its war debt, imposed by the Treaty of Versailles. In the early 1920s a period of hyperinflation made the Reichsmark almost worthless. In January 1922, one US Dollar was worth 191 Marks, but by November of the same year it was equal to 4,200,000,000 Marks.

In 1932, Adolf Hitler was appointed Chancellor of the Reich following a contentious election. Under Hitler's leadership, the Reichstag turned the government into an effective dictatorship under Hitler's oversight on 21 March 1933 with the passage of the Enabling Act of 1933, and the economic hardships were significantly diminished via implementation of new economic and social policies. After five years in power, Hitler annexed Austria, former component of the Austro-Hungarian Empire (allies of the former German Empire), into Germany, despite such an act (specifically, "prohibition on the merging of Austria with Germany without the consent of the League of Nations") being banned by both the Treaty of Saint-Germain-en-Laye and the Treaty of Versailles. In early November 1938, the First Vienna Award was signed, allowing Germany to seize the Sudetenland, a German-speaking area of Czechoslovakia which was formerly a part of the German Empire-allied Austro-Hungarian Empire. Soon after, Germany invaded the rest of Czechoslovakia and also gained Memelland (part of the former German Empire from 1871-1920) through the 1939 German ultimatum to Lithuania.

Nazi Germany was objectively shit when it came to rights for the people, though obviously a large portion of that came from the fact that it was pretty much entirely in wartime.

Oh, no doubt. Both Nazi Germany and the USSR shut down alternate versions of their philosophy for no reason and it was to the detriment of both.

While some sources claim Hitler still wanted more, to create Lebensraum, or "living space", for Germany, other sources claim evidence of hostility on behalf of Polish partisans toward ethnic Germans in the Danzig Corridor (territory lost to Germany as a result of the Treaty of Versailles) which may have served as a motivating factor for the German invasion (often portrayed as propaganda to justify German expansionism).

Two Western powers, the United Kingdom and France, gave guarantees to Poland that they would declare war if Polish independence came under threat, as presented in a statement to the House of Commons by British Prime Minister Neville Chamberlain 31 March 1939 (formalized by the British 6 April 1939; not ratified until 4 September 1939 by the French):

lol

go look up marx's opinion on jews you cuck, jesus christ

Although they honoured these guarantees by declaring war soon after Germany's Invasion of Poland on 1 September 1939,[4] and although the Dominions of the British Empire quickly followed suit, so little practical assistance was given to Poland, which was soon defeated, that in its early stages the war declared by Britain and France was described as a Phoney War.

Further, neither the British Empire, nor the French, ever declared war upon the Soviet Union, which invaded Poland on 17 September 1939 (17 days after Nazi Germany invaded from the West) and held sway over the former-Polish territory at the war's conclusion, having become a part of the Allied front in the course of the war. At the insistence of Joseph Stalin, the post-war Yalta Conference in 1945 sanctioned the formation of a new provisional pro-Communist coalition government in Moscow, which ignored the Polish government-in-exile based in London; a move which angered many Poles, who considered it a betrayal by the Allies, and, as a result, as elsewhere in Communist Europe, the Soviet occupation of Poland met with armed resistance from the outset which continued into the fifties. The consequences of the Yalta Conference subsequently added new permanence to the end of Polish independence on 22 July 1952 with the creation of the People's Republic of Poland, a Communist puppet state of the Soviet Union which held sway over the territory from its inception in 1952, until Poland once again achieved independence on 13 September 1989, following the toppling of the Communist regime and preceding the dissolution of the Soviet Union.

No thanks.
Only good Red is a dead Red, only good Jew is a dead Jew, so i'll leave it to you to reason out my views of Red Jews.

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Under Stalin. Not Lenin. Not Trotsky. Not "anarchists". And Stalin was about as close as you get to a fascist while being a lefty. And I know he isn't highly regarded in your circles. And the USSR still didn't create nearly as much as the Nazis did in half the time.

Russia also started from a lower point than Germany, Germany had infrastructure to build off of. Also Lenin pretty much set up what Stalin ended up finishing, both were pretty authoritarian so I don't see why you can't have a fascist boner for both user.

1919.

You are the useful idiot.
You are the goyim.
You are a slave.
And you would seek to serve your masters, driven by the utopian dreams and make-believe rights which they've convinced you are corporeal, requisite even, but you will bring only nightmares and horrors, unless you are stopped.

History has shown us this time and time again.
You are the good goy, the tool of the enemy, and you are only able to destroy.

It's a shame that we both see the other side as counter-revolutionary faggots who will only prop up the powers that be, since it will only assure the failure of revolution when the time comes.
With that said, I'm glad I live in a country where I can own firearms and practice with them because should that revolution come I want to at least take out a few fascists.

I was a national socialist before Holla Forums was a thing and before I knew 4chan

In terms of technology and infrastructure, yes. In terms of raw resources and people, no. Give the Nazis or Fascists a chance in a country like the US, Canada, Russia, or some other resource rich country with decent infrastructure and the quality of life it produces for its citizens will surpass anything currently in existence.

Its a shame you still cling to the false beliefs of equality and the myth of globalist socialism.


Only if Jamal lets you. Remember, you'll be at the back of the line in your little uprising. And I definitely look forward to mass murdering leftists.

Oh boy, you're a classic stormfront faggot! I thought all of those guys died off and were replaced by the young, edgy, with it alt-right.


I'm protectionist as fuck, a single country cannot be expected to provide for all. I'm just not enough of a retard to think that the only way to have a proper society is fascist dictatorship.
they'll freak when they find out that we won't give trans black women all roles as military leaders because they deserve to break the glass ceiling

bump

kek, got me
I am a stormfag, not even being ironic. The only thing that kept me from being a natsoc at first was "muh six gorillion", after I found that to be a farce I started researching.