Why didn't the microchip companies just skip a whole bunch of die shrinks and go straight to 22nm where you still don't...

Why didn't the microchip companies just skip a whole bunch of die shrinks and go straight to 22nm where you still don't have quantum interference problems?

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Less upgrade steps, less profit.

Interesting. I didn't know that a mouse brain could perform 100 billion calculations per second per thousand dollars.

Does the cash considers inflation? $1k in 1900 went a lot farther than today.

that's just a silly transistors = neurons equivalency I think. Of course the reality is that it takes a lot more transistors (best in GPUs) to emulate neurons with our current architectures. However, IBM has been quietly inventing a non-Von Neumann architecture that gets much closer to transistor = neuron. Like a specialized GPU, a Neural Processing Unit.
research.ibm.com/cognitive-computing/neurosynaptic-chips.shtml

fuck, that's so sad

Bullshit

You missed a national there, bro.

Fun fact: The Soviets had ternary computers.

Human brain is not even on that scale, the human brain is an astronomically high amount of processing power.

A typical brain has 100 billion Neurons.
Think as a Neuron as an individual CPU and synapsis as cores.

100 billion Neurons x 1000 trillion synapses

the human brain has a processing power of potentially an octillion or more.

If we focused on ternary computers instead of binary computers our technology would be much more advanced and more efficient today. instead they didn't bother because it was soviet technology.

As someone who works in the industry - looks like developing a manufacturing process is really hard. It takes about two years to get to normal standards, and that's with the incremental process shifts we have now.
And it costs millions

Those sorts of computers were abandoned because it was to hard to differentiate a 0,1 and a 2 because electricity is dodgy, if it was at the scale we have CPUs now it would be a mess.

They will definitely make a comeback though. Knuth predicted it, he is always right.

Why didn't aerospace companies just skip a lot of messing around and go straight from biplanes to scramjets?

well, why spend millions of dollars on an incremental die shrink instead of a big die shrink?

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To bad it didn't come in the mid 2000s.

exactly that would be faster annd more efficient use of resources while avoid a problem like sonic boom speed of sound.

that's not true, it's basically the same method as quantum computers.

its not about electricity, they just didn't focus on it because ternary was new and binary was already being developed they didn't want to create ternary.

it works like this.

-1 = negative
0 = Neutral
+1 = positive

1 for true, 2 for false, and 0 for unknown, unknowable/undecidable, irrelevant, or both

0 for false, 1 for true, and a third non-integer "maybe" symbol such as ?, #, ½,or xy.

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Who's the amateur that made this graph?

Because you would go bankrupt trying to achieve it.
You need both the money and more importantly, the technology, both in manufacturing AND testing (because shit's not going to work at the beginning) from the previous process to build the next process upon.
The smaller the process gets you come across new physical effects, you have to sometimes invent new manufacturing procedures, you have to manufacture the manufacturing line.
All of these things depend and are build upon by one another. The most natural way to do it is by incremental evolution.
It's sort of like asking why doesn't evolution happen in big-ass leaps. because is physically can't?

10^0 is 1 you retarded faggot

Look at the pic again

Ternary computers would be MUCH slower than binary computers. Binary computing is used because it is fitting for the IV-characteristic that a transistor produces. i.e. the gate-source voltage determines whether a FET behaves like an open or closed circuit between the drain and source terminals. If you assign 1 and 0 to one of these states, you get an immediate physical approximation of a boolean logic value. Since we (usually) only have to care about whether a transistor is "on" or "off", and NOT what it's specific analog voltage is, it allows to clock digital circuits at substantially higher rate.

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This piece of trash is so wrong it burns.
We have a hell of a time emulating even one percent of brain tissue going through continuous operation for one second. Imagine trying to structure something similar to a complete brain with current architectures, you just can't fucking do it because go figure, it's a completely different platform.
Basically it comes down to:
Chemical processing != Binary logic gates

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Sauce on the brain number crunching. This was back in 2014, but Intel saying that they're going to have an exascale computer ready in 2018 just feels like them blowing a load of hot air out of their ass.

0/10 would not operate with

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It's not even fully chemical.
Quantum vibrations inside microtubules found in neurons are probably what do all the computations.

Good point. Frankly, that's yet another layer of complexity for them to work through.
The thing is, I think they'll eventually hit that point if the human race doesn't annihilate itself first, but Kurzweil and Co's predictions that we'll basically be hyper-android ubermenschen by 2030 seems a bit ridiculous.

We can replace our bodies sometime in the next 50 years but the brain will be a major issue. Then again, if I were a cyborg minus the brain I wouldn't mind (no pun intended) it at all. übermensch status will happen to our bodies but what about our intelligence? Neural interface computers are one solution but what about total immersion.

Trinary is the future, capitalists. Russhina will grow larger.

He's going to sell us out to the chicoms for an extra number.

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What you're thinking of is called a hybrot. A robot body controlled by an organic brain. The problem with using hybrots to try and achieve immortality is that even if you do replace everything but the brain, the brain will still degrade over the decades and you'll still go senile eventually. At some point I imagine the brain will incur so much degradation that it'll simply cease to function. We'd need some sort of breakthrough in neural science that allows adult neurons to heal and replace themselves to prevent this.

The artifical body could administer antioxidants and basically every nutrient possible to prevent brain matter decay and cell oxidation. That will, again, only give you an extra 20 years at max unless nutritional science develops some super cocktail that will regenerate neurons like you already suggested.

Imagine the consequences that will result from being alive and sentient for half a millenia. The importance of childhood is amplified because while you have more time to develop your personality your traumas and downfalls will also have more time to breed and manifest.

and more time to serve the jews

How we can solve this is to just install a arm cpu to do boolean computation while the ternary can do the other.

Ternary computers would be faster, more efficient, and less power hungry.

youtube.com/watch?v=TlEILts_pIM

fucking hard to listen to this guy though...

Ternary computer Emulator.

en.trinary.ru/projects/setunws

youtube.com/watch?v=CBYhwcn4WSI

This guy also explains binary and ternary.

Aren't they basically quantum computers?

Someone who also thinks slapping an upward-curving trend on it is a good idea because it "looks cool", despite all signs pointing the opposite direction

They needed time to use the new chips to lay out the next generation of chips.


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Not necessarily, ternary is still using silicon chips just like binary but instead of base 2 its using base 3.

its more efficient than binary.

let's say you have a 100gb hard drive, in binary its hard to compress things.

but using ternary you can extend the hard-drive im throwing a number out there maybe 150-200Gb from that 100gb hard drive and thats not using compression.

using ternary you can show more data in a smaller form factor since you can use 3 numbers instead of 2.

So how do you store something on a mechanical drive in 3 different states, and what about the error correction system to go with it?

I see you don't know how logic gates work. The problems with ternary are that tolerances are finer/expenses are higher due to working with three voltage levels and needing transistors with different threshold levels. Each individual transistor still only operates full on/full off, ignoring high speed switching leakage issues.

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no. an increase in classical units of information only yields a linear factor. in the case of binary vs ternary, ternary is log2(3) = 1.58... times a more compact representation than binary (see for comparison). That is, bits = 1.58 * trits

quantum superposition allows for 2^n gains, where n is the number of qubits. That is, bits = 2^qbits. Any quantum computer would theoretically beat a ternary one, starting with 2 qubits.

Absolute garbage ignorant tier if you believe that HDDs store values in 1s and 0s.

that is exactly how HDD's store their values, 1's and 0's based on magnetic fields.

phys.org/news/2010-04-ternary-storage-device.html

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Only the top 1% would have computers at all.

Exceptionally, capitalism is the only reason we have good computers besides war.

user why isn't Venezuela the heart of the world's technology sector?

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But Sweden and Norway are doing just fine in terms of computerization. And in most other terms, really.

They can purchase computers made in China for now, but Sweden will collapse in a few years.
Only for Mohammeds. For Swedes every day is worse than the previous.
If you want an example of a socialist country that produced

How long until we get a quantum entanglement IM client?

smh fam.

>not cybernetic organism

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Why didn't cavemen go from the wheel straight to coal-fired trains?

They are in ghetto and the swedish monkeys are more dangerous.

The singularity? More like bloatularity. Software has been shit since after the 386 part of that chart.

Yeah, no. The reason why we have binary computers is because firstly, it gives less error margin, and secondly, developing boolean logic is really simple. To ditch it all in favor of ternary computers, while a good idea, probably has little to no future.

For the error margin, consider that a boolean true is a value of -5v and a false is 0v (or viceversa). If you had three states, you'd then need to add another value in the middle. Yes, it basically gets you like twice the processing power, but at the scale modern processors (and even oldest processors, from when we first were experimenting with it) use, machines tend to confuse 0, 1 and 2 (and the other numbers, if they are there)

Also, to implement logic gates, you'd need to have more transistors, possibly. So computers become more costly. And you'd need to settle on a different algebra than boolean


If that's what you consider ternary, then we're already there. It's called Hi-Z. But it's a control state, not used for calculations (when do you differentiate between Hi-Z and a 2?). It's just for freeing up circuits for use by other circuits (example: buses)

They were, because they had National Socialism (even if it wasn't on paper, they had only Swedes in sweden). Now they have shitskins and kebab, and look what's happening.

What's happening? Christmas?

Why does this image cause so many feelings in me?

Because it's designed to do so. Stop being a faggot.