What do you guys think of erwin rommel ?

what do you guys think of erwin rommel ?

was his beliefs more lefty than most of the higher ups in nazi germany ?

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He was a pretty generic Hitlerite that supported the war at least up to the last few months of his life as well as a fairly unsuccessful military commander. He's certainly attracted more attention than his mediocre life warrants.

You know what, i want to see socialist nationalism one day. Maybe its actually possible.

Division of people by race, but not by wealth. With respect to other country's national homogeneity. Too bad Hitler was an extremely overrated faggot who was controlled by corporations that backed him during election.

From what I understand he was closer to a Stra-sserist but he was one of greatest tank commanders the world has ever seen

I have a better question, why Holla Forums is suddenly so aware of nazi generals?

I don't even know who this faggot is.

He wasn't mediorce, he was highly respected by his peers and adversaries, and he's one of the only Nazis that you're allowed to like

Heinz Gudarian was more responsible for German armor tactics than Rommel was. Rommel's thing was infantry tactics. Also, the Gudarian/Rommel blitzkrieg strategy was made obsolete before the end of the war by the relentless and surgical Bradley/Patton strategy that relied on air power.

The only things I could credit him for are his capture of Tobruk on June of '42 and a decent defense operation at Normandy. Everything else was just a string of failures. But like all Nazi failures his mistakes continue to be apologized for posthumously, principly noting numerical inferiority.


I don't tend to be a fan of people who mindlessly slaughter their neighbors on a whim, no thanks.

Well, Hitler was one of the people whom Rommel attempted to slaughter, so he has that going for him.

He's pretty famous user. I mean, no worries if you don't know him but don't be surprised.

I am worried that people who want a revolution know so little about military theory that they have never before heard of Erwin Rommel. Infanterie Grieft An is an essential Twentieth Century book of military tactics.

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I know he's supposed to be a 'good' Nazi who really only wanted to defend Germany but that doesn't really let him off in my eyes, he could have as easily fled the country or turned revolutionary if he knew that Hitler's war was wrong. Instead he apparently gets a free pass for 'only following orders'? Bullshit.

In fairness, it is not as if there were any actual good guys in that conflict. Fighting for Germany was really no less "moral" than fighting for the British or the Americans or the Soviets or the Japanese. Everyone was tremendous prolapsed assholes.

>a celebrity soldier could have easily left Nazi Germany

No.

or turned revolutionary

Well, he did try to kill Hitler.

I know that, but it's a bit too little too late for me. Not to mention it wasn't particularly out of concern for anyone but again Germans.

Don't really agree, fascism might not have seemed as shocking then as it did today but surely he could still see the writing on the wall even before the war? It's not like Hitler kept his genocidal ambitions a secret.

There was some way for him to avoid fighting and live, maybe it wouldn't be that easy but it couldn't have been that difficult either, plenty of people managed to flee Germany before things went down.

I just don't see why we should give moral praise to someone who fought for Hitler.

Read some military theory you dummy. From a military standpoint he was a excellent general in logistics and blitzkrieg warfare. He gave Patton and Montgomery a run for their money across all of Africa while German high command reducing his logistic support. He refused to kill Jewish POWs and the Afrika Korps were never accused of warcrimes either. He tried to help kill Hitler for Marx's sake. It is a shame that his excellent military prowess is dulled by by the stain of being considered a Nazi, but regardless, he is a great general.

When I say "considered", I am referring to how for the most part he wasn't a vehement Not Socialist. Although he was a blind supporter of Hitler for much of his career, he was still alienated from Nazi and tried his best to keep Nazi politics from his actions.

Rommel did nothing wrong

He wasn't part of the Oster Conspiracy in 1938 where sections of the army plotted a military coup against Hitler and to install themselves as a military junta over Germany.

He says, while being given tours across africa and a legion of subordinates to obey his every command

Rommel's respect came out of black propaganda due to Allied incompetence, German support for a non-Prussian Swabian officer. If one were to "read up" on military theory, they'd understand Rommel was nothing more than an incapable incompetent who didn't even do his job. He ignored vital logistical problems, failed to adhere to the chain of command and did not recognise the importance (or lack of importance) of his front. Then he took a holiday right before the Allied invasion at Normandy, despite knowing fully well it was coming.


en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Rommel_myth#Reevaluation

You read the source you provided at all man? You are blatantly over exaggerating select parts of the text to represent your own opinion. If your interpretation of "reading up" on military theory includes a single wikipedia section then I believe that you still don't know how to properly read. Your source still acknowledges the excellent tactical prowess of Rommel, who failed against a better supplied, more numerous enemy with competent generals. He also most definitely recognized the importance of his front. It is also why he asked for further military support from German high command often. In order to avoid the trappings of bureaucracy, Rommel often circumvented orders and appealed to certain authorities to get the job done. Plus, none of the Germans really expected the Normandy attacks to go through or knew about them at all until the last second.

Rommel failed to recognise his task was to defend Italian interests in Africa. He ignored this and went on an offensive campaign, ignoring his inability resupply or ensure it's success. He did not do his job. Rommel's reputation is built on myth and legend, designed to rehabilitate the German state in order to create it's new army. Rommels "tactical prowess" is shown by the source to be exaggerated and debatable, not "supported".


Also, on the subject of the myth of Rommel and Jews. He was ready to give support to the EInsatzgruppn if he ever reached Jerusalem.

There was no "defensive" interest in Africa when Rommel joined. The only objective was to win AKA take North Africa which included supporting the Italians. Many of these opportunities presented to Rommel were thwarted by the Fascists concentrating more on the Eastern Front rather then diverting supplies to Rommel. The rest of the wikipedia article also expounds how Rommel was a badass general who pretty damn good. I don't know about the last part though, I'll look up on that.