So Trump wants to leave Nato if the US doesn't get paid back it's overdue expenditures

So Trump wants to leave Nato if the US doesn't get paid back it's overdue expenditures.

What would happen on the world stage if the US left Nato AND left the UN?

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Wow.

One off.

Wars almost everywhere

Would the US give a shit if we become protectionist and non-interventionist?

… Did Kek just bait me into a trips?

Not for long Americans are to wrapped up in themselves to give a shit about anything

Isn't that how a country should be? Especially if it goes isolationist mode.

That's what we've had while the US was in NATO and the UN.
Hopefully Trump's Fed audit will take us back to pre-1913.
Woodrow Wilson worst president.

I don't see why anything major would happen; we're still perfectly capable of whipping ass around the world. The UN would be slightly more nigger-filled.

The most important fallout would be that more independent-minded (read: white) countries would see that they don't have to hang out and get fucked by UN regulations. With the US out, the UN would have no reason to exist beyond structuring gibs to Africa and shitting on Israel.

Would you support Trump if the following happened;
>Trump stations all 11 or is it 13 now? super carriers around Spain

???

There are wars almost everywhere right now.

If trips you are Kek's chosen one.

NATO would become a slightly more powerful UN.

That is to say, nothing but a largely ineffectual bureaucracy without any muscle to back up their diplomatic threats.

Yeah but my OP was 1 off of Trips and of course I post a reply all "1 off…" and then that is trips. I was baited into trips.

Would the UN fall apart?

Make Belgium White Again

The EU combined couldn't fuck with the US. Maybe with 10+ years of intense military development at the expense of all else.

Dubs confirm.

Reroll.

That's what I've been thinking. With israel solely using the US which caused the US to arm up so much in international level machines of war it seems in a certain light they've spelled their own demise.

Nothing would happen. The EU would build a military to fill the vaccum.

They'd probably just keep sending their strongly worded letters to whoever isn't bribing them sufficiently. That's pretty much all they do.

It's gonna be 1933 all over again

there would be nobody to cry about misognystic rape anime comics

The wikipedia entry for "Countries That Kikes Have Been Kicked Out Of" would get considerably longer.

And nothing of value was lost.

Honestly, I think we could fuck with 'em a bit before leaving.
Step 1: Cut all US funding to the UN.
Step 2: Kick the UN off US soil.
Step 3: Veto literally every single resolution that goes to the security counsel.

well, the Europeans would have to reinstate their military in each country, thereby hopefully uncucking them and leading them to the removal of kebab.

We'd better protect Europe from any and all of this bullshit. We need muds to die and whites to live. No more fighting each other. I can't stand it

If dubs Trump deports jews too

kekalot

This and same.

My dick would achieve high-earth orbit.

kikes would be pissed

This is a false premise. This would basically be like if you had Trump's foreign policy priorities using G.W.Bush or Obama's retarded, ham-fisted methods.

Assuming "messing with" Exiting countries means military harassment:
In the scenario you lay out, Trump would place the super-carriers, all while looking squarely at the EU saying, "Who, me?" in a very Putin-eque way, then he would probably use trade as a weapon.

I also wouldn't be surprised if he pulled a Ukraine, pushing certain geographically strategic countries to exit (using spy shit) so that it would create "escape routes" for goods for any land-locked countries that have an independent desire to exit.
Unlike Ukraine, however, there would actually be a degree of Russian cooperation in all of these efforts.

I guess I was larping too hard. Though placing 13 supercarriers surrounding your border with the Atlantic Atlantic, right? Pacific is west coast. would probably be pretty daunting.

Let's be totally honest here.

The UN and Nato would dissolve in name, but their activities would be largely unaffected. All the mass immigration, sanctions and brown people wars would just adopt the USA label where UN was.

Let's be honest here. In a universe where the US leaves Nato and the UN the US is no longer a Zionist government. Those wars wouldn't happen. I had also set the context of us becoming isolationist.

The EU will build an army.

The reason this is happening is that the US no longer needs the world economy, due to shale (and later on, automation). Only 8% of American goods are imported from outside NAFTA. However, the world still relies on the US as the linchpin of the global economy. Trump recognizes this asymmetry, and will use this to forge a new role for the US.

In NATO, ANY military confrontation whatsoever can end up in WWIII– this is what it was designed for. Trump recognizes this as outdated, and he's right. Like all other empires before it, the US will learn the byzantine balance-of-power strategy, playing agents off each other using diplomacy. This is how the US can avoid starting a world war with Russia; relying on regional clients such as the EU, rather than direct military presence, gives Trump flexibility. He can therefore maintain an anti-interventionist policy while still being able to square off with other world powers.

Motherfucker how many wars haven't there been since the UN became a thing? The only reason why there hasn't been any open conflict between major powers is because nukes are really effective ways to maintain peace.

??? care to share?

Or is that the above?

lel, no need for any of this. They pretty much rely on NATO for defense while throwing together token armies and giving most of their budgets away to programs that will displace their native populations.

Or is that the above?

I was hoping for your dubs.

So he wants to leave NATO, then.

weeklystandard.com/the-byzantine-doctrine/article/271019
This is a good article on the topic, I suggest you take a look at it. Here's an exerpt:

By 1025, at the death of the Emperor Basil II "the Bulgar Slayer", the Byzantine Empire was the most wealthy and powerful state in the world.

It got there not by opposing force against force, the classic "Roman" strategic approach, but through stealth, guile, propaganda, bribery and deception. With a relatively small but highly trained and professional army (generally recruited from the hard mountain tribes of Isauria or Anatolia; foreign mercenaries did not become a significant element in Byzantine armies until the 11th-12th centuries), Byzantine military power was potent but fragile. Capable of sophisticated combined arms tactics, even a small Byzantine force could defeat several times its numbers in barbarians or steppe warriors, but a single major defeat could result in losses that would take years to replace. Hence, the Byzantines generally avoided stand-up fights and adopted what Luttwak, back in the 1980s, called "relational-maneuver warfare"–adopting tactics and operational methods that emphasized Byzantine strengths (organization, professionalism, political unity) against enemy weaknesses (fragmented command, tribal divisions, lack of training, etc.). In his FP article, Luttwak lays out seven principles of Byzantine strategy which he believes would be applicable to the United States in its present strategic situation. They are worth repeating here:

That seems likely, but its hard to say. Bear in mind, we're dealing with somebody who uses campaign positions as a way to alter the public conversation, and then "haggles" with the public by changing his position, winning votes in the process.
The muslim ban is a prime example of this persuasive method.

The good news is, he's tied with Hillary and still driving an incredibly hard bargain because of how much people hate Clinton.

Except the US gets so butthurt at the prospect of the world vying away from the dollar.

Americans can't even crash the plane with no survivors to hit China because everything is so intertwined, it will insanely flood US with spics. It will make the current spic flooding look like a joke.

Of course tor ignores the context.

In a world where the US is isolationist, the world view of the dollar is completely irrelevant.

There is nothing the US can't get within it's own borders so it doesn't need trade.

A bunch of jews and shabbos goyim would get butthurt.

The UN is just another corrupt jew org.

The US is the Nato and the UN.
It's always the Americans who's troops and money and tactics and bases are used.

The EU is shitting itself now because it relies on the UK. The UK has all the money and the power and a powerful commonwealth and empire behind it.

The same is true of Nato and the UN. If America and Canada and the UK all left all these ((controlled by them))) alphabet soup groups, those groups would be fucked and fade away.

((they)) tried it with WW1 and Ww2 with the League of Nations and United Nations. Give your sovereignty away and embrace other cultures or you are a racist is what happened.

But now people are realising that :

1: embracing certain cultures is not good

2. Goat fucking child molesting terrorist cube worshippers have nothing to offer western society

3. Goat fucking child molesting terrorist cube worshippers ruin western society and also are a treat to the white race because of planned strategic genocide including the browns breeding at a rate five times higher than whites and raping white girls.

((they)) have been destroying all that is good in western society using the media, social networking, pornography, finance, politics, law, and religion.

If you are a peace loving truth seeker, who tells it like it is, you are labelled a racist or an extremist or a terrorist.

Basically it is a case of "watch other countries and other cultures take all your money but don't day anything ".

It is a case of "watch this foreignor rape your children and blow shit up but don't say anything or you'll get locked up and labeled a racist"

There is enough natural resources in America for every American to live and eat as a 100% self reliant nation. The USA doesn't need anyone to help.

All that is needed is to stop bringing in other people's problems and stop paying for other people's problems at the expense of YOU suffering for it.

Doesn't really matter if the US is energy-independent. The petrodollar only became important because the Arabs needed us to protect their oil. We don't need to protect them, and we don't need their oil.

Indeed the US is rich in resources. But the elites in US are anti-isolationist, they see their prestige of having six billion bases flying the star spangled banner.

I noticed that over the last week. Pre brexit they were all "you're so screwed with your monies!!!" then the market bounced back in like 2 days. Now Germany needs to be the UKs cucks because apparently 750k jobs are dependent on the UK plus they need trade with the UK.

I've been saying this for years and people don't seem to get it. The US is so uniquely placed with it's land that it doesn't need anything from any other country.

Exactly. We don't need them.
There are hundreds of thousands of miles of beautiful natural resources in America.

Shelter, and energy, and food are abundant. If America kept all her resources and focused on taking care of its citizens and making sure that all had a nice home and energy and healthcare that works and food then really what else is there? It's not hard. The problem is really simple and the answer is really simple. Bring back community bring back manufacturing by and for Americans and bring back farming.

If every American had a herb garden in their back yard, and some chickens, and some fruit trees, and a well, and a vegetable patch then ((supermarkets)) would not be needed.

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Don't forget that the population of native Germans is halving each generation, meaning the EU's economic engine will soon grind to a halt. That's why the oh-so-charitous Frau Merkel is importing muds in the millions. This obviously will end horribly. Meanwhile in Britain, whites still remember how to fuck.

The EU is really a terrible model of government. It attempted to build an empire with an exporting economy, Germany, at its core. This leaves the entire system vulnerable to economic conditions, since if the margins become impoverished they can no longer buy your goods. Southern and Eastern Europe is simultaneously poor and reliant on German exports.

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That's bullshit regarding NATO in Europe. Here NATO is only so US kikes have a reason to invade if people become bad goyim.
Trump is saying US doesn't get enough shekels for it. Well good riddance, it doesn't deserve even a cent. When was NATO ever fighting for European interests?
Never, they weren't helping when my country was fighting for independece from the commies, they are not helping against ISIS shitskins infitrating in our countries and they are not helping to end the war in Ukraine.

Fuck NATO and fuck US influence over Europe.

At first nothing
Then, probably in the east, an unexpected crisis would appear, and the lugenpresse would push for another superstate alliance because clearly one state can't handle anymore it's security needs.

At this point it's either a EU army or Russia comes knocking in East Europe.

Whatever form this evil will take shape, people will eat the bullshit because they are scared.

Fascinating man, even if he is a jew.

Thanks for the article, it was a good read.

NATO is a Jewish org, thru and thru. What has NATO actually done?

They've protected the interested of Jews and Muslims since the organization's inception.
In the Balkan wars, for instance, whom did NATO back? Under Jewish-directed NATO we fought for Muslims getting a growing foothold into Europe. On and on, round and round it goes, . The Jewish merry-go-round just keeps spinning and spinning until it breaks down… because there's no more white people left to maintain it.

And the UN… is like a honey-trap for Jews. They love to get in there and push for their 'reforms'. If the UN had its way 100% of the time, Western Nations would be so reformed that white people would no longer exist. This 'United Nations' is under the strong-armed influence of Jews.

NATO and the UN. Wake me when they are actually fair for everyone involved, and not just fair for Jews, which will be like never.

Highly unlikely, but most likely (((global powers))) will start flooding the US with 'fugees' and will try and bait them into attacking oncoming boats to convince the whole world that the US is the new Nazi Germany or whatever "country I don't like", or other similar tricks.
Nothin' much, most likely they'll throw all their eggs into the pan-european army basket, fail spectacularly and either downsize immensely to a handful of countries or disappear into other regional treaties.

I think a lot of people will give good riddance to US if Trump gets elected. Because everybody barely puts up with Americans, nobody that receives US bases is into that bullcrap discourse (hypocritical libtard belief of better devil) of their political cadre. Americans are doing for their own selfish interests (vanity, prestige), and those who receive the bases only do so under the condition that US opens its pozhole wide. Hence TPP and so many trade deals completely favorable to foreign countries.

Btw, it's these 6 billion bases that are killing the US, because they need so much immigrant workforce to maintain a working country at home and a big military abroad at the same time.

Almost immediately, the Europeans would be forming some sort of European-wide defense pact, or smaller, regional defense packs that coalesce and create what is essentially a replacement for NATO. The biggest uncertainty for this is the looming overhaul of EU member-state defense apparatuses, dictated primarily by Brussels.

If the EU is in complete disarray, collapsing, or lacks the political capital to achieve these ends, then smaller, regional defense pacts are a certainty. There is already a common defense pact for the Nordic region, the Nordic Battlegroup. While this is under control of the EU currently, it could easily be spun off into a new entity. The Visegrad group, with additions such as Bulgaria, Austria, and Lithuania, could be another regional defense pact led by the Polish military. The British-Portuguese defense relationship would assuredly continue, as would the Dutch-French relationship, and French-Italian.

The larger question is Turkey. Erdogan's regime possesses what is essentially the fourth most powerful military in NATO, far exceeding Germany, Canada, Italy, Spain, Greece, etc. The first priority would be to repossess and/or destroy advanced US and NATO armaments in Turkey, including our nuclear weapons stationed there. Once that task is accomplished, European solidarity would be needed to counter the territorial ambitions of Erdogan, and I suspect that Putin would propose the ultimate solution to this problem: the destruction and partitioning of Turkey.


This would be far more destabilizing than leaving NATO. The UN is effectively held up by the US and Western Europe. China and Russia see it ultimately as a joke, and the Muslims have no interest in maintaining it. Every other nation is irrelevant, including India. The pessimist in me would say that the aftermath of leaving the UN would result in worldwide conflict, migration, and borders redrawn in ways thought unimaginable in the modern age. Depending on the type of governments in place in Europe, the old colonies could be recaptured. China and Russia would immediately move to overthrow the Stans for their own benefit. India and Pakistan would be at war in a day. Malaysia would attempt to retake Singapore and ethnically cleanse the Singaporean Chinese. It would be complete anarchy.

If Trump is serious about both of these actions, then it fits he would be simultaneously focusing on rearming and strengthening our military. 'Fortress America' will become quite real, and I imagine that any suspicious actions taken by Mexico, Canada, or countries in the Caribbean would be met with immediate and brutal hostility.

basically nothing would change?

If that happened, the white race would be great again.

It also kept the USSR kikes and Stalin at bay while he dreamed of taking the entire European peninsula and forcing everyone to racemix together or die. NATO started out as a pretty essential organization, in my opinion. It's modern leadership and use is obviously dubious, with allied commanding positions of NATO being highly politicized, often to the point of complete ineffectiveness (Afghanistan, Serbia, Libya, etc.). It was never intended for aggressive mobilizations, and it shows.

Hello Poland

The EU will not exist by then. People are going to be dropping out left and right over the next few years.

T-The EU is eternal goy.

The world will be united in an International Order, bless Lord King Obama of the Jewnited Kingdoms of Earth.

This. Even if EU fails, the various European powers will form a defense pact to protect the borders and power projection.

The Franco-German alliance is ripe for this.

This. Even if EU fails, the various European powers will form a defense pact to protect the borders and power projection.

The Franco-German alliance is ripe for this.

No. Stalin after WWII was absolutely based and the good guy (relative to the USA). By the mid 1960s, Jews had moved away from the Soviet Union and were primarily behind the anti-Soviet left (neoconservatives, Trotskyists, social Democrats, etc.). Soviets were the good guys in the cold war. USA was the Jew world order.

The Soviet Union never did anything like this. You are thinking of the Jewish USA which was forcing integration in their own country and in Europe.

Hello Chaim.

Where the fuck do you think you are?

Please, if all pacts are dropped, invade as many Canadian states as possible and remove the kebab and feminists from the major cities, I'm sick of hearing them.
Plus I think that we're going back to the era of neo-colonization, this time perpetrated by Russia, China, India, America and at least one European nation uncucking themselves for good.

I've seen people state this before. The problem is that India has an untested, dilapidated military, and none of their neighbors have ever trusted India,with the exception of Nepal. All of them are weary of India's boastful claims to be the regional power, and I think they'll be ready when India shows up.

They've colonized swaths of North America and Europe through more subtle means, but ethnic warfare will weed out the curryniggers real fast. The Chinese and Japanese are the true colonizers and puppetmasters of Asia, so I doubt they'll be able to compete in Indonesia, Malaysia, Thailand, Pakistan, etc.

It is the truth. The order from best to worst is Axis powers>>>>>>Soviets>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>Jewnited States of Nigmerica

After the Axis powers were defeated, the Soviets were the best left standing.

Much better than allowing them to fall under control of the USA. Look at the outcome today. Former Communist areas are a million times better off than Western liberals who cheer their own ethnic cleansing.

This didn't happen. You are full of shit. Maybe you are thinking of the African warlord ruled USA forcing Islam on Europe?

If the US left NATO the European countries would have to spend a lot more on defense and a lot less on welfare for "refugees".

No.

NATO wasn't all bad at the outset, but what it's become is bad.

Russia was a Jewish paradise under Communism. Thankfully they've grown cnough common sense to see that communism is a Jewish ruse, but Russia (like the US) is still full of Jews pulling strings and screaming about how victimized they are.

There's an old axiom that holds true in tracking back to the original reason something happened: Follow the Money.

A similar axiom that holds true in politics is: Follow the Jews.

Nothing would happen, OP.

if you look at raw numbers than yes
however if you look in detail you'll notice that most of turkeys forces are ancient crap bought as surplus sales
for instances while their total tank number is high 75% of that are pattons from the 50's and 60's coupled with a few modern leopards
same for their airforce they still use phantoms and F5's
the only place you could argue raw numbers matter more than tech is artillery and they have plenty of this

but the biggest problem with this scenario is all their equipment is nato standard so ammo and spare parts are all made in western industry, so shortage would appear quickly
granted they are revitalizing their defense industry, but it is far from complete

if you compare the equipment with say greece which has 1/3 of turkey gdp, the turkish armed forces would have to deploy half of it's total strength just to reach parity
and although western european nations sold all their heavy armor they would have vast air and sea supremacy
the only way turkey could go full sultanate is if europe falls to total chaos and leaves greece to fight for its own

No, it was always bad. It was always a means of American imperialism in Europe, which has been by far the worst thing to have ever happened to the continent.

Not after the 40s it wasn't. After that, Jews shifted their alignment to the west.

Exactly. And Jewish power was moved out of the USSR. They shifted to become the anti-Stalinist left in the West. Neoconservatives, Trotskyists, social democrats, as I said. The USA was the core of Jewry after WWII and America was the main villain of the 20th century (and continuing now into the 21st).

Listen Oleg, shifting the goalposts and pretending you're totally cool with Hitler isn't going to work. We already know you think Stalin is based, the man who used up tens of millions of Slavs to serve his Jew puppets and beat Hitler. But in order to escape how fucking stupid you look shilling for Papa Joe, you're asserting that the JEWSSR was the next best thing to Adolf.


I reiterate, how was it a good thing that millions of white Europeans were literally stripped from their homes and shipped around the USSR like commodities? How were sending whites to gulags for espousing nationalist sentiments a good thing? Please elaborate.


Who gives a shit? The discussion started out as NATO's role in preventing the Soviet invasion of countries that didn't want to be invaded by the Soviets, so they turned to the US.


Ethnomasochism is literally the only major issue in Western Europe. In every other regard, they are superior nations to former-Soviet ones. The quality of life in fucking Finland eclipses every former Communist state.


Yes, it did.


Nice deflection.

Even if Europe abandoned Greece, Russia would ensure Greece's survival. I don't worry as much about Turkey, although as I stated, they're a problem. Erdogan will modernize their military if left unchecked, however.

Literally will never happen, there would be a revolution if trump even floated the idea of leaving the UN.
NATO shouldn't exist anymore.

That's why the EU is pushing so hard for a standing EU-Army.

Because it saved them from being under American influence.

Better than under America.

This was a bad move. Out of the pot and into the fire.

This is like saying a guy with a gunshot wound to his head is in a better condition than another without a gunshot because he is wearing nicer clothes. "Yeah, half of his brain might be in the sidewalk, but at least he is rich enough to afford nice clothes." So they are inferior in the only thing that matters. A people can survive low "quality of life" (a Jewish metric btw). They have for thousands of years. They have a much lower likelihood to survive nihilistic self-hating ethnic cleansing.

No, it didn't.

It isn't deflection. It is the main topic, that American influence was a million times worse for Europe than USSR.

Why do you believe this? American people hate the UN and have no respect for it.

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America is a million times worse than the USSR was. People can survive gulags and starving. They cannot survive Americanism. Americanism is the greatest threat to Western civilization in all history.

And I am American. I don't know anyone who cares about the UN except for libshits who would never revolt anyway. Everyone who would possibly revolt in the USA (right wing extremists) hate the UN. There would be no revolution. Believing otherwise shows that you don't understand the American people.

ok dude calm the fuck down

How many people are there with you?

You're right, but this will be the most immediate consequence.

What a waste of double dubs.

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There's an entire wiki article about how commies can't stop killing their own people

en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Mass_killings_under_Communist_regimes

If the US left the UN and NATO those organizations would lose a massive chunk of their funding and wither to nothing and hopefully crumble and die. There is nothing that could be worse than it already is under them.

Seriously friendo? At this point these Nations are so deep in debt and dependant of the currency they would simply collapse.
The two nations of importance that need to make a move now are Germany and France.
If one of them leaves, the other one is in danger to crumble under the costs to pay for everything.

Dude I work there, nuking would just make Brussels into mudzombie capital. After the bang they'll bite your ankles off..

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As I said, a people can survive gulags and starvation. The people in the USSR did. People cannot survive Americanism, as is evident in the case of the USA itself, which went from a white nation to a brown one in a few decades with little to no resistance from the native white population. In a few more decades, these native whites will be a small minority and the rest of the country will be mongrels ruled over by Jews.

In 30 years, former Soviet States will have their native populations, while the USA will have replaced theirs almost entirely.

Americanism is the greatest threat to every civilization, not only western civilization.

But I am not particularly worried, the world is going back to local development and rupture from supranationalism. The control freaks US have lost purpose, they are ramming the head against a wall, trying to go against the current.

They could leave. They would just need to have allies. The debt doesn't matter as long as they have trading partners. Greece would go to Russia and be fine. Southern Euros could survive together. Poland, Hungary, and so on could ally.

Same here. We have nature on our side. They need to expend a lot of energy to oppose the natural order, and it is not sustainable.

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Man you are fucking retarded fam.

at least one you faggot

pay America what it's owed for services rendered or you can all go fuck yourselves

not everyone needs to be around

war cleanses

What the bloody hell are you talking about?

How's that even a question

Your own link proves my point. The USA is only 63.7% white, and this is using the government definition of "white" that includes Arabs, Indians, mulattoes, mestizos, etc.

Realistically the white population is closer to 50%. And that is concentrated in the older generations. The youngest generation is already minority white. From ~92% white to ~25% white in a couple of generations. I would say that is a lot worse than a few people being thrown in gulags (most of them were degenerates and probably deserved it anyway).

They are. If you don't have that, you don't have anything.

Lets say, worst case, Russia annexes the Ukraine and some smaller east european countries. Why is that our problem? Most Americans couldnt even point out the Ukraine on a map. The conflicts that the elites are concerned with and spending trillions of dollars on, are completely irrelevant to the sovereignty or safety of America, or the interests of the American people.

And if our allies Euro cucks dont feel safe without the US, maybe they should raise their own militaries. Isnt that what every government is supposed to do for their people? The reason why the US military is overblown is because we are the muscle for every single one of our allies. And it is costing us more than any possible economic benefit we could be reaping from this arrangement

The UN was set up to pretend like there would be no more warz'nsheeit. But there be war all up in this bitch.

The UN doesn't do anything beside LARPing.

The UN could be erased from existence in one minute.

Nothing would happen. Literally nothing. No one would notice.

NATO pretty much is the US. LOL.

I would say America should just pull a Switzerland and refuse to vote or discuss in any vote.

But we should stay (albeit mostly neutral) only for the Security Committee veto powers.

So you not know how our monetary system works? There is more than 1 dollar of debt for every single dollar in existence, it is physically impossible to pay off the debt. Thus it is completely meaningless.

This. The EU spent all of their money on unsustainable social programs, refugees, and building up a massive welfare state, at the expense of their military and border control spending.

Fucking Texas could probably take over half of the EU if they wanted to.

The US would decimate EU in a war.

Exactly what I just said. Debt doesn't matter because it isn't even real.

The only thing that is real are the sanctions they would have placed on them if they said "fuck the debt." With trading partners, they could freely avoid the debt and minimize harm from any sanctions.

Your analysis is based on the idea that you can only use dollars once. Velocity of money, friendo.

Actually read the links people send you properly before you comment on them.

I'm steeled in my resolve to make sure scum like you get nowhere near power.

It isn't, though. Because paying it takes the money out of circulation (these debts are paid by taxation, which removes the currency from circulation).

There are less US-Soldiers on EU-soil than there are cops in New York.
Middle and western Europe are unassailable for an old-fashioned attack because they are the driving motor of the global economy.
Name a single Nation that wouldn't face an economic collapse without the european market.
Just one.

The NATO has been a tool for power projection and not protecting Europe against the bolshevik hordes, and as we have seen in the recent years, that doesn't really work except for bombing sandniggers.

If the debts are paid to US bondholders who then spend that money in the states on something, they likely just paid more in taxes than they received in bond maturation interest since our interest rates are very, very low. Correct me if I'm wrong.

The great Trump, Putin alliance will happen. Destroy the UN, destroy the EU, overthrow the evil globalists, remove kebab and bring true justice to the world.

You seem to live in some kind of fantasy world where trading partners treat each others fairly.

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Yes, only. And these races are self reported. Many mulattoes, Arabs, and mestizos will identify as white. And again, the real white population is old. The younger generations are already non-white.

You will have it either way. There are only two options. Either you enact a national socialist state that would require a lot of concentration camps and so on to remove brown people and traitors, or the USA becomes brown and elects a socialist dictator as brown people always do. There is no other possible future outcome. Your naive liberal utopia simply isn't in the cards.

MFW this future is within our grasp

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They wouldn't need to. They would just need an alternative to sanctions. With Greece, for example, they would trade with Russia. This is Golden Dawn's plan.

Kek works in mysterious ways

It isn't. Stopping immigration still leaves the youngest generation majority brown. You would need to deport not only illegal immigrants but legal ones and anchor babies as well. This will not happen without a heavy-handed state.

Not at all what I said. I said we would need to have national socialist policies, which would include concentration camps for leftists and traitors. Otherwise we will have a leftist socialist spic dictatorship. These are the possibilities, and none of them are your liberal dream land of human rights and other bullshit.

Don't tempt us

I would like to point out that the role of the welfare state is what has enabled this to begin with. It has drastically reduced white birth rates (not to mention destroyed the family) while bolstering the birth rates of spics and niggers. And the welfare state is the reason why the vast majority of them are coming in the first place.

Getting rid of the welfare state would be the first and simplest step towards reclaiming this country

If get trump wins and leaves NATO

Oh, you mean (((fracking)))

The most kosher way to get energy. Using local infrastructure without paying for it, and then pollution without cleanup.

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This is incorrect. I have already debunked this libertarian lie a thousand times on this board. Less than half of immigrants take welfare. They come here because it is better than whatever third workd hell hole they created in their own lands. Shitskins will always want to live in white nations because white nations will always have higher standards of living than their own. Same way niggers will always want to leave the ghetto to live in suburbs. They don't get more welfare in the suburbs, do they? No, they are coming because it is a much nicer place to live, but then they destroy it and white people that made it nice leave and the cycle goes on perpetually.

You fucking libertarians are a broken record. Muh welfare, muh human rights, muh gommunism, etc. You are like robots that just spit out responses you memorized off the Jew Mises website. None of that shit matters now. Too little too late. Libertarians should have thought about this while they were supporting open borders for decades. Now there is no chance of libertarianism ever happening in the USA. You will have white authoritarianism or you will have brown authoritarianism.

Mostly Toronto and Vancouver. Try pulling that SJW crap in Port aux Basques and see what happens.

Correction, it is just about half who take welfare. Still it is not at all the primary reason they come here.

The US is on terminal care. It's not surprising its control freakism about the world is start to being mirrored at home.

Also the leftard you are arguing with, it shows how leftards support the globalist actions because they would rather the world become a multicultural one mocha color and enacting societal conflicts. They would rather inside the globalist framework, without chance of going back. Anything to destroy blood and nations.

Left to their own devices, I imagine Japan will become Imperial again and eventually a massive Asian war will break out between Japan and her allies versus China.

Much like WW1 was inevitable, it just took something to be the spark that lights the fire, I figure we'll have a decade-long Cold War of sorts before then.

NATO will hang for bombing the defiant serbs

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This.

Japan is ITCHING to go to war, it needs to "reclaim it's honor" and only plays nice due to the US keeping her on a short leash.


Whoever loses, humanity wins.

Source?

Open a book, user.

The eternal Samurai will always long for more piles of chink heads just as the Korean longs for more shekels.

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Only good would come of it.

So, no change at all?

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What kind if source can I possibly give you other than just pointing at their entire modern history:

en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Military_history_of_Japan

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You do realize though that this military history ended with a traumatizing and humialiting defeat and occupation that started a tremendous cultural and political overturn, correct?

Youare aware that happened?

Stop samefagging. And absorbing "knowledge" of Japan from kikepedia, that's low energy.

Chaos.

The USA has been propagating a lot of stalemates in various conflict zones for ages.
But its ability to do so has been in decline for a while.

We've seen a weakening of US influence in south america for instance. The recent peace agreement between the FARC and Colombian government for instance. The USA had been keeping that conflict going for decades. The peace sets their goals in the area back.

It's weakening elsewhere too with its ability to supply its islamic militias with manpower, weapons and financing declining thanks to Russian intervention and the loss of a lot of their key puppets plus the declining position of their key co-financers in the middle east: The house of saud.

The USA is also propping up a number of governments in wartorn states all over the world. Libya and Somalia for instance.

So things would be chaotic as fuck. A lot of war and long simmering conflicts finally coming to a boil.
But in the long term there'd be considerable improvement as nations would stabilise without the foreign influence keeping these conflicts alive. Some nations would split up, others wouldn't.

Japans twitchy these days on war. Overall they don't have that fight in them they used to. They've focused their crazy into other stuff. Hence the salaryman culture, their absurdly corrupt police and legal system and of course their love of sex toys.

If they did go to war it would be traumatic for the national psyche.

China's gonna take over. Only thing keeping those heathens out is the US deterrent. They would've annexed the South China Sea if it weren't for the US.

Whatever happens it will be a darn sight better than the current situation you can be sure.

It depends, withe the US gone NATO will lose a fuck of a lot of influence. The US might also lose a lot of influence, but I think Trumps leadership might drive America to full resource independence again. If America joins Russia and Chinas little trade union then Europe is fucked forever because nobody important will be left that gives a fuck if Muslims run it into the ground

Literally world peace. The US starts 2/3rds of all armed conflicts. The rest are all tiny border squabbles and civil wars.

Less wars. Supposedly there's been more wars since the founding of the UN then in all of human history previously combined. Also those blue hat shitfucks love to rape children. It's money out the door not only for nothing, but against American interests. The world hates yanks.

Israel will stil be Americas ally you dumb fucks, the conflict in the middle east is going nowhere, America has been in a state of perceptual war since the 1980s. Exercising its power and influence over the world stage, that's not about to end

Where is the source for Trump wanting to leave the EU? He recently floated the idea of a NATO coalition intervening in Syria.

NATO

It's funny how there were no islands in 2006, but now that they're finished its suddenly an issue.
Almost like its something to sit on and wait for a moment instead of heading off before the missiles and aircraft were stationed….


No it hasn't, last war is in 1942 against Nazis.
We're the closest thing to an enemy the US has.

Consuming Leftie propaganda all day is bad for the mind.

We will fight the Jews.

If the US left NATO, it could deescalate tension with Russia but consequently means Eastern Europe is vulnerable to occupation. That means the EU/non-EU respective nations would have to strengthen their own military and fast.

If the US left the UN, Russia/China will take its place as its main leaders and other key members may leave in protest. UN would function more like a BRICS HQ at that point if it doesn't outright dissolve.

If both at the same time, it would lead to one of the largest geopolitical shifts in modern history. The U.S would lose its status as a superpower as a result.

Are you a retard? Do you understand how that designation works?

“NATO members must pay their fair share. If they don’t, we’ll be renegotiating.” That has always been his pitch. Same for Japan, same for Korea, same for Taiwan. We’ll end all these fucking alliances if we have to.

The U.S relies on having a lot of foreign land to maintain its military force and world presence. If they leave NATO and the U.N they'll lose access to a lot of viable locations to operate from. They'd be isolating themselves while Russia/China would sweep up land to project a greater presence.

Europe would stop being a sex tourist destination for GI joes
Europe might have a chance of having successful revolutions against their corrupt government without the threat of uncle sams intervention
America would lose big bucks from not being able to force europe to conform to their weapons manufacturing requirements so america would only be able to sell their shit product to sandniggers and israel
israel would sweat a biblical flood

This gets my dick hard

another huge fuck up from america
not only giving nukes to pakistan and india under reagan you also had nukes stationed in turkey thats basically an islamic israel at this point in time

The UN is a failure and NATO is a cold war relic thats obsolete.

Nothing would happen at all.

I could see the European countries maintaining a defensive alliance if the EU falls apart, not that it would help with the already numerous muslims willing to jihad already.

We grow and export food like crazy as is, if anything fuel prices are one of the last thing propping up food prices so high.

Well that and (((organic))) shit and stuff like that also fucks with prices. Need that FDA certification, goy :^)

last time america was self-sufficient you turned the wheat belt into a dustbowl
biofuel and nuclear energy would make every white nation self-sufficient and non-reliant on the semites and their oil

If I get dubs you're right.

Not only that but there's so much fucking land that could be used for farming and shit, we don't need anyone.

if every american had a herb garden in their backyard there wouldn't be any time for dank memes

no thanks.

Poland either hasn't been around long enough, doesn't have the resources, or doesn't have the will. Eastern euro is Russian fodder most definitely.
Lucky for them, everyone is willing to ally over their defense so none of the major powers get stronger.