Star Trek: Ciscovery

Without, obviously. This is kino grade.

These look like uruk hai.

They aren't klingon, it's the race of Yakub, the scientist who created the biggest threat humanity has ever faced: hwite people.

No, it's in the commie universe.

The world would be better off without Star Trek.

What are some episodes in TNG and DS9 that shit on the Federation?

None of TNG, all of DS9

Pretty much any episode with the Federation or a citizen is featured

That ship kinda sailed with Star Trek: TMP

I can live with this

I mean if this is the worst thing about the show we can count ourselves lucky

But if at least one of them had hair

The redesigns are entirely about differentiating klingons from niggers. They don't care about continuity, they just think it's unacceptable to paint people brown in the current year.

And yet, they don't hire actual niggers to play Klingons? I guess one black woman whose only famous role is kissing a white guy is progress enough.

Most Klingons were played by black people, weren't they?

This. Commie sci-fi has to go.

Not really no, if anything the opposite was true.

You know we're not getting off that easy.

At the very least, Michael Dorn was black. Just hire more Michael Dorns.

It was basically Michael Dorn and Tony Todd, who played Big Guys rather well. But you forget about Robert O'Reilly and J. G. Hertzler, nevermind those that appeared in the original series and films plus those who showed up a few times as guest stars.

I consider original series Klingons to be basically a separate species.

So much money is being spent on a show no one will watch.

I think that sums it up. All the most memorable Klingon actors had booming voices and were capable of giving rousing speeches. Klingons started out as a criticism of Rome, China and Communism. Their government was never really commie in nature though, it's all about war, raiding and honor, so by the time we started to see them more sympathetically they more resembled a combination of Japan and the Vikings, which is why suddenly everyone loved them. Warrior cultures with honor systems are badass.

So hey have to be a different color, or that's all they are, space viking/samurai.

Is this what they looked like in Into Darkness?

kind of yeah.

They look like they're made of fish bones

The Klingons from Into Darkness looked more like TMP Klingons than those orcs in OPs picture.

The first picture is how they looked in Into Darkness, the second is one of the early designs (there were also some other variations of this design).

My picture is from The Motion Picture.

So, just like Klingons?

Nigga I will fight you.

Those ridges felt to smooth to me.

I don't mind it, forehead of the week aliens are lame.

The actors that weren't black they used makeup to make them look black.

Though with the Ferengi pretty much all of them were played by Jewish actors.

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Those are klingons. Klingon is a social construct.

I demand a retarded in-universe explanation of why Kirk looks like Shatner in one dimension and Chris Pine in another

Plastic surgery.

It's why Kahn is no longer Indian.

Contrary to looking "badass" this just looks stupid, pic related.

What species was Khan in Into Darkness? Ayyy lmao?

Saurian.

They blew their chance to explain that ridged klingons are refugees and immigrants from another planet that outbred the local population

There would have been an argument as to whether these new different-looking klingons were also true klingons (answer: yes)

Topical and thought-inspiring

I hope the "sarcophagus ship" part means the 40k ships are ancient as fuck and have something to do with the Hur'q.

Those are the new Klingon ships?

maybe.

after all, the Discovery shown in the teaser from last year isn't the final design, and that's actually rendered. these are just concepts.

Terrible. The Klingon ships are iconic. Changing them is not a good idea. Hopefully this is another race.

there's also this set from the "we're actually making the show now!" video, which looks like the concept art of the bridge, so…

(yo dawg I heard you like bridges so we put a bridge on yo bridge, etc)

Is the interior of the ship really going to be like that?

The outside looks inspired by the klingon ships that were in Into Darkness. The interior doesn't feel like something that would belong to the klingon, it's too weird and complicated.
I wish they went with Drolet's redesign (he worked on BSG) in JewJew's Trek.

Um, isn't this supposed be set in the old continuity and before the original series? Shouldn't the Klingons look like they did in the original show?

It is supposed to take place between ENT and TOS.

What exactly is the angle in making a sequel to prequel? Both "how it began" and "what it became" are explored thoroughly. There's zero room for new plot elements. It's like want it to be as pointless and bland as possible.

Some people said that it could be about Axanar and it would explain why CBS and Paramount went after the people who were also making a fanfilm about it.

Why? Why do they insist on just obsessively changing the past? Why can't they just leave what was as it is and create new species? It's not like there's a set number audiences will except. There's no reason at all these couldn't be entirely new species. Everyone accepted the Dominion. I didn't hear one person going "Uh, no, this isn't the Borg or the Klingons or the Romulans… or the Ferengi or the Cardassians, I can't accept it."

TNG was introducing a new species practically every other episode.

Right now while the iron is hot it would be perfect timing for a new series in the old continuity set after DS9. All those actors are still alive, we've got this rich history of characters that are all still active enough to show up. In another ten years half of them will be dead and the other half will just look it. I'd still fuck Jeri Ryan or Nana Visitor today, I don't know if that'll be true in a decade.

There's no indication the show will do much with TOS or Enterprise. Apart from off-handed mentions, I doubt Enterprise will get mentioned at all because CBS wants us to forget, and Kirk wouldn't even be a big name 10 years before TOS.

It may be shit, but they've got Roddenberry's son working on it and they've got a shit ton of recently dicovered floppy discs with designs and ideas on it that Roddenberry had hidden.

Plus they've got DS9 writers and directors on it.

I expect it to be a solid 6/10. It can't be worse than Voyager I hope.

I expect it to be at best 3/10; didn't visually transmit space AIDS.

Come on, you know STD will be awful. When its creator and former showrunner started talking about the show, his first thing was about how he wanted the show to be progressive, with a stronk womyn as a main character, another as the captain and a faggot as one of the main officers.

Why should that give me even the slightest confidence? A lot of Roddenberry's original ideas were garbage, he gave us Wesley, remember?

And every time one of these people's kids takes over their legacy they just SJW it up. Terry Pratchett's dumb cunt of a daughter is the primary reason women have been desexed in media in the last decade. She's the one that was harassing developers about boobplates, the one demanding female protagonists must have smaller breasts because I guess women don't actually have tits or something. She's directly to blame for Lara Croft getting a massive reduction and being cast with fucking Alicia Vikkander. How do I know this guy isn't another source of cancer like that?

And everything we know, everything that's been revealed so far has told us fairly definitively it'll be shit. The cast list looks like total garbage except for one name, and they pushed from the outset to base it on "diversity". They already had a woman captain, already had a black captain, made him a fucking messianic figure for fuck's sake, so now they have to have a black female captain?

What's there for me? Why is it what I like is what always has to suffer? Why am I expected to just quietly sit and nod and except the garbage they shovel down my throat lest I be labeled a bigot? I want the old continuity, I want the old actors, the old alien make up, and actresses who aren't ugly and actually have a set of fucking tits. Your lead actresses primary identifying feature shouldn't be "does ridiculous shit with her afro on a regular basis."

Listen Hollywood, like it or fucking not you need those old audiences you despise so. You need straight males to support your show which is a follow up to a franchise mainly followed by straight males. Say you don't care about them, and before long they will stop giving you their money. Yes, we know you abuse us because they always give you the benefit of the doubt, but you've done that too damn long and there's too much other media competing for our money out there, so your options are to stop being fucking assholes and actually give the core audience EXACTLY WHAT WE FUCKING WANT, or go the fuck out of business. Period. Don't like it? Go extinct like all the pozzed up networks are one by one. Done being nice and open minded with you faggots.

This is why TOS is best Star Trek. Even the dedicated bridge negress is pretty enough.

Did that guy achieved something other than making money on being Commie Roddenberry's son?
The last time they did that it was Andromeda. Thanks but no thanks.

Don't forget that Bryan Fuller turned Hannibal into flat-out gay fanfiction.

And it was a choir boy christian feels good, good values before? It was just as fucking degenerate.

No, it fucking wasn't. It was a cannibal serial killer being hunted/used by various moral, upstanding law enforcement agents.

If you consider all fiction that depicts violence or immoral behavior "degenerate" than you're going to fast reduce acceptable media to watered-down children's fare.

It was a love story, preaching that extremely intelligent humans are amoral, and that morality and law are for dumb sheep. In no point the Hopkins movie actually shows that he is wrong.

In fact, a lot of SJW psychology college grads worship Hannibal.

I took Hannibal (the book and the movie) more as a story about the great, who are few, being opposed by the small, who are many, and about the fact that law and goodness aren't necessarily the same thing.

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(CURRENT YEAR) rules that say women can't be sexy is going to ruin Discovery even more than retarded-looking Klingons.

How is Spock's father in this show when part of his relationship with Spock was his opposition to him joining Starfleet?

en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Star_Trek:_Discovery

Never got how people found Kira attractive.
She does nothing for me personally

I didn't like her back in the day but more recently she has caused an awakening in my pants. especially Mirror Kira, or later-season Kira with the Starfleet uniform and longer hair.

Dax is still best girl though.

It's because she does not look feminine enough. She looks much better in season 7.

Well he does eat people.

That first one looks like something that Raithwall The Dynast King would ride through space.

Who is it?

Even today the old man is still quite hot.

underrated post

xD

Doug Jones.

Thanks.

Nana aged fairly well but the other two….hahahahahaha

Only if you eat Chinese food, and then swallow the chopsticks too…

This looks worse than shit.

You're obviously an anti-bajoran.

What did he mean by this?

I don't know where you get that notion.

I was wondering the same thing, I think it's just a lazy bait attempt.

underrated post

Uh oh. Floppy disk-era Gene had really, really shit taste, to the point where the guys who would eventually ruin around the time of Voyager/Enterprise actually kept him from fucking up middle-age TNG as much as he did Season 1 and 2. And Gene's kid liked Abrams' poz fest so I think we can rest assured that they won't even be able to hit "Neelix episode" quality.

Lt. Barkley's cat?

99% of the people involved in Star Trek hate Star Trek and have since pretty much forever. We can debate why that is (and there are a lot of possible reasons) but the reality is the only reason the show is coming back is because it's a legacy brand that audiences recognize and they need to be able to promote it as new content for their who-gives-a-fuck streaming service.

It will be canceled within 3 seasons, tops, after everybody involved gets to have a "Star Trek" credit added to their bio and can transition to the next TV sci-fi gig. The entire purpose of this project is to support marketing material for the streaming service. I'm not joking. They are literally producing a TV show so they can make photos and sizzle reels featuring a black female Star Trek captain which will be incorporated into promotional ads for CBS's netflix clone.

Nobody gives a fuck about Star Trek (except the fans) and everyone involved hates Star Trek fans. They tried to isolate you greasy proto-NEETs on UPN/CW back in the late 90's early 00's with Voyager and now you're relegated to a DOA streaming service.

What we're waiting for now is the "spiritual successor" to Star Trek, tbh. We may start seeing that soon if/when the entertainment industry comes to terms with reality and the ill-fated "strong wymyn leader" projects are flushed through the system. We're still kind of in the dark/gritty/edgy fear/anxiety porn mode but if Hollywood can get their heads out of their asses we might get shows that are more positive morality plays like Star Trek is supposed to be. Maybe one of the streaming services will realize that niche and exploit it with some new IPs.

Star Trek is deader than fuck though. Sorry.

I agree with you on that Star Trek is dead and the best course would be something new but similar. Still, I'm quite sure the current and near future entertainment business would be only capable of producing pure shit.

Yeah. Final Fantasy XII also come to mind.

It says "KLINGON SHIP" on the bottom right corner of the first pic.
It looks like something straight out of Warhammer 40k or the Necromonger Empire from Riddick.

I missed that. Terrible ships for Klingons.

No one is going to pay for CBS' 'Notflix' service when the torrent sites are a thing.

Senequa Martin is qt and she will be first officer, not captain. The captain will be Michelle Yeoh which is a good actress.

I don't get it. Push comes to shove Star Trek always had this kind of stuff. The only complain I can understand if this kind of shit takes precedence over everything else.

Yeoh will be the Captain of the other Starship, the Starship Chinese pandering. Senequa Martin is most definitely not a qt.

It's been dead for 20 years. I went back a few years ago when I still had TV and one of the sci-fi channels here was playing TNG and Voyager from the start. I told my mom about it and we decided it would be something great to talk about every night. Eventually I was going to see if they were playing DS9.

By the end of TNG and the end of Voyager Season 6, what I remembered as being a great TV show made me realize what pure and utter shit Star Trek actually was. Sure there was a great episode here and there, or a really good scene here or there, but so much of it was shitty.

This post is spot on. Middle Age TNG had a lot of the best episodes that I can recall. That one where they repeat the same day over and over is amazing. The first two seasons were terrible, aside from the episode where Tasha Yar dies, that's the best episode of both those two seasons. Season 7 I don't remember very well, except near the end it just felt like a dying show.

Voyager was a train wreck, some episodes look like a down right fucking acid trip (Remember the fairy tale one? Or the fucking creepy one with the Joker?).

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He dealt with Trekkie autism for 30 years ponyfucker autism shouldnt be too much of a leap to deal with

Trekkie autism is mild to the pedo/bestiality autism that is an undercurrent to Bronies.

So most blacks were played by klingons?
What?

fucking dropped, I'll just stick to the expanse thank you very much

Season 1 is mostly shit but its so outrageously terrible that it's still entertaining, just for the wrong reasons. And to be fair it had a grand total of three worthwhile episodes: "Farpoint", the one where Tasha dies and "Conspiracy" where basically most of Starfleet Command is outright fucking killed and the villain turns into a Rambo-tier blood sausage (embed related).

Unfortunately that was immediately ignored for a year and turned into the Borg rather than a biohorror plot but it resulted in Season Two's only good story, which is just completely unwatchable otherwise. Troi has a psychic rape babby and her mom plus Happening Again guy visits to irritate everyone for an hour, Whoopi Goldberg joins the cast (bad enough) and then spends half an episode telling Joe Piscopo why he sucks, Worf get tazered, Riker fucks 18th Century Irish space people in between having needles stuck up his ass, Levar Burton gets captured by Chrischan, and it all ends on clip footage episode.

Season 3 is an immediate step up in quality mainly because Rick Berman - who as stated previously would later run the show into the ground - actually at this point had his shit together unlike Gene who would get pissed if you didn't show men running around in skirts on an interstellar battleship. Rick let Ronald Moore, Rene Echevarria and Ira Behr start writing things around this time, and slightly later in Season 4 he helped Jeri Taylor (another one of the later day show killers) out with "The Wounded" which is essentially first story in the Dominion War arc and a very real prelude to DS9.

you're kinda right about everything else though

It's worthwhile in the sense that you find out what happens to her character after watching Farpoint since it sets up a half dozen other stories (some of them decent) and to be fair tarbaby T1000 was done three years before Cameron T1000 and on 1/1000th the budget.

I will say I had forgot about The Battle but that would get in at #4 for sure. 11001001 though is basically Picard and Riker sitting around in a fake bar talking to a chick and then spending the last 10 minutes of the episode solving a non-problem. It's not outright terrible like most of the rest of the season I guess but unlike the rest of the season it's very forgettable. Of course some people would want to forget Naked Now or The Neutral Zone, I suppose.

One of the best Trek episodes TBH, it's a shame that Roddenberry got triggered and asked the writers to never make that kind of episode ever again.

I just get annoyed at Denise Cosby/Tasha Yar in general since she quit the show abruptly and then ended-up written back into the show in a contrived manner on numerous occasions when her career went nowhere. The original casting called for her to play Counselor Troi and for Marina Certs to play Tasha Yar since Gene Cuckleberry had a man-crush on Vasquez from Aliens and wanted a petite "ethnic looking" female for the role of security chief.

Marina Certs would have played her differently and wouldn't have been nearly so annoying. Worf ends-up who knows where in the long run, but we would have ended-up with Counselor Troi being written out of the show in season 1 instead of Tasha Yar when Denise Cosby got all uppity, which would have done wonders for the quality of the show, imho.

The Binar episode is an original - and in my opinion far stronger use of the holideck to support a plot, rather than the shitty 'holideck episodes' that were just too on-the-nose with contriving a setting away from the ship or a generic planet. We got some cool Starbase shots and got to witness the self-destruct protocol. In my head canon, i like to think that they did more than just apply some novel programming to the holodeck and the whole Minuette thing really fucked with Riker's head… leading to his spiral into depression starting with Season 2.

Season 2 is very strong, it's better than the watching paint dry direction later seasons went in, season 7 being the worst.

Star Trek TNG and Star Trek Voyager have already covered every generic ship in space story you can tell, it's why Enterprise ended up rehashing old plots. The only space they have to explore is soap opera tier interpersonal drama which Nu Battlestar already covered.

You can make Star Trek fresh again by infusing it with plot lines based on the ideas of Oswald Spengler, civilization rise & death. Daniels from Enterprise has the same end of civilization cuck face that John Oliver has. Other plot lines could be about racial differences or any other alt-right idea for example. None of this will ever get on television. Star Trek is only dead as long as it continues to cling to liberalism, which is dead.

I've been thinking for a while that a Star Trek show about the fall of the Federation and the ensuing power vacuum could be really interesting. Of course, that will never happen.

So that Kevin Sorbo faggotry?

Less of a focus on hunky men with their shirts off.

Oswald Spengler says that cultures and civilizations last a 1000 years. Greece to the end of Rome is one cycle and we are transitioning into the last phase of Western Civilization. The Federation is basically the 3rd great white empire, just on a galactic scale. Zefram Cochrane, a white man, creates warp drive and puts into motion the creation of a new empire. The Vulcans fall under this empire even though they have had warp drive for I think thousands of years. CBS would never allow this kind of racial theorizing on mainstream television.

Denise was boring enough as Tasha, she would have been unbearable as Troi (can you imagine all the crying while mind raped scenes?), still if they let her grow her hair out she would have looked OK. Marina as Yar though would have been interesting if nothing else, and from a looks standpoint her rack's nicer, maybe could have gotten some form-fitting clothing every so often.

Anyway outside of all that it is different that 99.5% of all other holodick episodes, I must admit but that doesn't necessarily make it a good episode. It in it terms of the rest of the year. Personally though if Denise had gotten Troi and then left via death in Skin Of Evil then that would have been a much nicer "growing up" arc for him contrasting with Picard's "I was friends with Weasely's dad and he's dead but I want to fuck his wife" thing, the dead comrade thing could have been a nice bond. And as far as Worf goes make him Helmsman and marginalize Weasely, get the same result anyway minus a shit psych, but then Gene would have gone apeshit over that. Also I'm sure you'd have a Worf boning Yar plot eventually which I don't feel too keen about.

You wanna back that up with persuasive analysis and explain why anyone should give a shit about trying to teach some whiny bearded fuck sign language as a part of a major interplanetary conflict plot?

yes, but quite bearable as a dead character written-off the show by the end of the first season. Gotten rid of two bores - the character and the actress herself - with one grease monster if they would have gone with the original plan and cast her as Troi.

I will have to go back and watch the episode again.. been about five years. Maybe i give it so much credit because it has from time to time played a significant role in my head canon with regards to Riker's arc over the series and films. It's either Minuette fucked him up or that vine did from the infamous clip episode… I much prefer that he got dosed by the Binars and his illusion was so powerful he never recovered and spent his entire life never able to get back to her… like the holodeck became the Nexus for him.

you think so? I just have this image of him hunched over the console in Future Imperfect and cringe. Maybe they had him do that on purpose as a clue that the timeline was a holodeck simulation. I think if Cosby's Troi would have died and Tasha survived through Marinara Sertis, then Woof would have been made some kind of Tactical / Ops officer and occasionally shared the horseshoe with Tasha.

Honestly, that's a pretty good idea. Would love to see that.