ITT:Things most people are not aware of that destroy health

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Need some health/conspiracy fags to tell me what the jews have done to my diet and how I can be healthy.

Just found out about how fluoride attracts calcium in the body and hardens it in soft tissues (your brain and arteries) and can impair consciousness, sleeping and critical thinking.

This shit is put into our water for "healthier teeth" but the thing is fluoride only works if it's directly applied and not diluted into water.

So ITT: outline other things people aren't aware of and should avoid like the plague.

Other urls found in this thread:

en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Fruitarianism
smithsonianmag.com/science-nature/why-fire-makes-us-human-72989884/?no-ist
webmd.com/diet/a-z/blood-type-diet
en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Blood_type_diet
en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Michael_Greger
ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pubmed/19524224
ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pubmed/7144835
ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC4073139/
psychologytoday.com/blog/evolutionary-psychiatry/201211/youre-vegetarian-have-you-lost-your-mind
womenshealthmag.com/food/side-effects-of-vegetarianism
ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC3466124/
twitter.com/AnonBabble

Eating lots of meat and milk will make you manlier goy, don't forget it.

Beans, fruits, and vegetables will make you feminine and weak, goy.

Meat=Masculinity
Soy=Femininty
Meat=Masculinity
Soy=Femininty
Meat=Masculinity
Soy=Femininity

Phytoestrogens are feminizing, but mammalian estrogen is not

Phytoestrogens are feminizing, but mammalian estrogen is not

Phytoestrogens are feminizing, but mammalian estrogen is not

Don't forget the commercials, don't forget the movies and TV shows.

Meat and milk are masculine
Fruits and vegetables are feminine
Meat and milk are masculine
Fruits and vegetables are feminine
Meat and milk are masculine
Fruits and vegetables are feminine
Meat and milk are masculine
Fruits and vegetables are feminine
Meat and milk are masculine
Fruits and vegetables are feminine

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Everyone needs to avoid veganism.

What is this, a screen-cap for ants?

Also, good evidence. LMAO

High-fat diet is good for you, goy

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Sorry user, he makes a good point about veganism, but I'm going to have to ignore it based on arbitrary sentence structure.

valid reason

Is that an African garment?

I thought Gentoo was for Whites and Asians

Guess I'm going back to Windoos

You expect me to read all that shit? Hope you enjoy impacted fecal matter if you eat cooked meat, like some pussy. You probably don't even kill your meat yourself, then devitalize it with fire like some retarded caveman cunt.

Humans are designed to eat fruit, but more evolved species exist solely on the glandular secretions of noble animals… The juices, mayne.

Whatever you do, don't eat grains. That's bigu. Wassup.

If you really want to evolve and save your soul through the coming tribulation, you gotta be a gangster like Jesus and drink your own pee. Nonstop pee. That's looping. Wassup.

Get a little pee. Mix it with some herbs. BAM. You Shiva now. That's Shivambu. Nigger.

Did you know cutting off your balls before puberty increases life span? Testicles are kike as fuck, think about it. When we're born, they literally give us these things that takes years off our lives.

Wait a minute, are you trying to give me herbpees?

Nigger. I'm trying to give you everlasting life.

Another thing that's bad for your health is not being able to suck the juices out of young preteen virgin girls. Anti-pedo's are literally damning you. Aliens do it. You mad bro? They got your wimminz deep underground.

Im not an expert but double negatives don't work with food

You really should read

You are embarrassing

Evidence?

There is literally nothing wrong with brown-rice

>brown

Legit made me chuckle, thank you

It's rice of colour shitlords!

Nigger, I will never have another medical ailment again. It's real simple when on that plasma ultrafiltrate.


Grain is for peasants. You might be a peasant. You might never of heard of The Stove God and how enslaved millions of Chinese. Not my problem.

I bet your house is full of fruit-flies, and your chin is sticky with peach-juice.

Enjoy throwing money away when you can't eat all the fruit you buy- which, unless you're freezing it, is inevitable- I bet your garbage-can smells like apple-cider vinegar.

I love fruit. Fresh fruit. Dried fruit. Dates. Honey. This is the stuff of Egyptian Royalty.

You slaves can go eat barley or whatever but you will never transcend this mortal realm that way.

en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Fruitarianism

Can be a potentially dangerous diet.

Is that why societies in Europe, where water is naturally fluoridated, created the modern world?

I'm not saying it's all about the juice, but it's all about the juice

Apparently sugar is incredibly bad for you, and it's not like people think it's good for you to begin with, it's just a lot worse than what we are told.

Joe "DUDE WEED" Rogan got me onto this

IIRC natural fluoride is not what they put into the water, its often sodium fluoride. Also, the levels of natural fluoride are not consistent, and are usually not up to the levels that modern supplies are 'medicated' with

Instant gratification of the Internet and video games.

refined sugar is indeed so bad it's more addictive than crack. In order to clean your body of crack you need month but with sugar you need 3 months. Don't even make me start what sugar is doing to your body from obesity to damn rotten teeths.

Now i ask all of you how many days can you go without anything sweet? Yes you are addicted.

Anecdotes are my fav evidence

Just like Europe's water supply is naturally fluoridated?

Lmao

I love this meme

Lmao you have no evidences while i have tons.

i just use my pineal gland to communicate with Eris, I don't know what you're talking about OP

OP here. So you mongoloids need to come to a decision about whether meat and veggies are good or bad or else I'm probably just gonna get irritated and do nothing and watch tv. So yeah fuckers, ball's in your court.


I'm poorfag college student but I live *relatively* near a whole foods so I could maybe make it work if I have to start buying that stuff, thing is its super expensive and i'm unsure if it's worth it. As user already posted of someone saying non-gmo and all that stuff is still toxic, how do we know the farming practices other than some shitty label someone slapped on there as if that actually meant something tangible; has anyone actually checked up on these places? what's stopping someone from just paying off the guy who comes by or what if he does a shit job at detecting stuff?

Another "Attack of the Tinfoils" thread. Some of you guys really ought to stop filling up on garbage at ding-dong conspiracy websites and magazines. I know reality is hard when you have a broken bullshit detector, but at least try.

this entire board has become porn, pony fags and other autism. this entire site is garbage, take your meds.

So fruit is bad, right? LMAO

Fucking read the studies and make your own decision lemming.

Check where the studies are coming from, see if the conductors of the study are taking money from an industry, and check the quality of the testing methods.

But if you want my advice, a diet rich in fruits, vegetables, whole-grains, legumes, nuts, and seeds EXCLUDING meat, dairy, eggs, processed oil, and processed sugar is the ideal diet for humans based on the decades of research- and the diet is espoused by many well-accredited doctors (Including the head of the American College of Cardiology)

Check out these doctors: Dr. T. Colin Campbell, Dr. Neal Bernard, Dr. Caldwell Essylstein, Dr. Michael Greger, Dr. Milton Mills, and Dr. John A. McDougall

All of them have extensive, evidence-based, explanations of the diet and its benefits that you can find on Youtube by searching their names.

Dr. Michael Greger also has his own website called nutritionfacts.org

Good evidence

WATER CAUSES CANCER
OXYGEN CAUSES CANCER

0/10

But does it make you fat?

Eat Bitter Almonds to get massive doses of cancer killing vitamin B17

Vegan diet is unhealthy, simple as that.
Meat, eggs and dairy have unique nutrients only produced by animals, and these nutrients allowed our brains to grow larger, which gave us the edge needed over other animals. Therefore, animal products led to human civilization as we know it.
We evolved while consuming animal products, you can't change your biological composition to suit your "ethics" without sacrificing your health.

Unique=/=necessary or healthy


Again, provides no evidence. The Smithsonian Institute claims that it was the extra calories from being able to cook food (largely starchy root vegetables) that lead to greater ease of brain development smithsonianmag.com/science-nature/why-fire-makes-us-human-72989884/?no-ist


This is sub-nigger logic- you assume your initial claim is true, with no evidence, and then make conclusions based on your initial postulation.


If we evolved to eat meat, then why do we lack the adaptations to properly digest it?

From mouth-to-anus humans are ill-suited to eat meat, dairy, and eggs.

Your canines are smaller, compared to your incisors, than the canines of a HORSE

Your tongue doesn't detect ATP, and doesn't have specialized protein receptors like a true omnivore or carnivore

Your stomach acid is much weaker than any true omnivore or carnivore

Your bile is too weak to break-up crystallized cholesterol (true omnivores, like bears, don't get gall-stones)

You don't produce the enzyme Uricase to break-down uric-acid (true omnivores and carnivores don't get gout from uric-acid build-up)

True omnivores and carnivores also don't get atherosclerosis or amyloid-plaque build-up, no matter how much cholesterol they eat.

Your intestine is longer than any true omnivore or carnivore and, as a result, allows protein to ferment- Truly omnivorous and carnivorous animals have short intestines that don't allow meat to ferment and make sulfur-dioxide (implicated in colon cancer)

Check out the Comparative-Anatomy talk by Dr. Milton Mills on youtube.

Also, check out the work of Dr, Michael Greger, Dr. Neal Bernard, Dr. Caldwell Essylstein, Dr. John A. McDougall, and Dr. T. Colin Campbell

Humans are apes, and in regard to our digestive system, our time developing in the Miocene era (spent eating mostly fruit, leaves, shoots, nuts, and seeds) supersedes the comparatively tiny amount of time humans have spent eating meat regularly.

We are simply not adapted to eat meat. Doing so regularly causes disease.

Woah woah woah little sodomite.

You drinking your urine yet? You should.

Got to have eggs. Mmmm. Dairy. Mmmm.. How else would I get lecithin that's wasted in ejaculation? Cows are sacred and also have gold in their urine, btw.

Nigger, I live off royal jelly and bovine colostrum. This is the food stuff of the Gods.

In the coming apocalyptic scenarios, you can bet cannibalism will come back into vogue.

I was watching some pregnant spic columbian camgirl today and thought to myself "hmmm, sure could keep this fat-titted monkey enslaved and constantly pregnant for milk then eat the unwanted fetuses for extra nourishment"

You don't hide your guilt very well, sodomite

My grandpa lived to 104 and he ate meat and smoked his entire life. It's to do with genetics not diet.

anecdotal evidence is not definitive- by that rationale cigarettes are good for you too

the autism levels are through the roof!

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Look OP, fluoride is a common waste product of the chemical industry. As it is poisonous (that is why it is both used in rat poison (to kill rats) and dental products (to kill bacteria)), it is expensive to getr rid of. Someone thought to homself "hey, it's in toothpaste, so why not put it in the water? Kill 2 birds wirth one stone" and without any scientific evidence that's what happened in the US. In 3rd world countries, it actually has a positive effect on health in general, but not in what most would consider to be developed countries. Except the US. Your healthcare is so shit, water fluoridation actually has a beneficial effect.

i'd like to draw your ttention to this part of the article you posted

would this not imply that cooking, along with animal products helped to give prehistoric man the enegry he needed to grow a larger brain? it also mentioned that fire detoxified the meat, helped man to move down from the trees and made wearing animal fur unecessary - thus making easier to chace animals; wouldn't all that just make fire the catalyst for man to be able to hunt and kill animals?

Nah, man - I just don't want to waste any time sorting through all that FUCKING SHITE.

It's important to note that the issue is energy, rather than nutrients exclusive to animal foods.


The article expressly mentions how being able to access starch, from grains and root-vegetables, through cooking yielded the excess energy necessary to develop a larger brain.

Hunting likely had some role in shaping human communication- but that doesn't mean meat is necessary, or healthy, in the human diet.

Look into the diet of Miocene-era hominids, our digestive anatomy hasn't changed much.

Also look into the comparative anatomy of digestion talk by Dr. Milton Mills that I referenced earlier.

Truly omnivorous animals don't get atherosclerosis and heart-disease from eating excesses of saturated fat and cholesterol.

Truly omnivorous and carnivorous animals don't get Gout because they produce the enzyme Uricase to break-down Uric-acid.

Truly omnivorous and carnivorous animals don't synthesize their own cholesterol like humans do- but, unlike humans, they CAN synthesize their own vitamin C

True omni-and carnvores don't get gall-stones because their bile is strong enough to break-up crystallized cholesterol

etc. . . etc. . .


None of what I typed was copy-pasted, I've been researching this topic for years. It's part of my college thesis.

If you're not willing to read the research and have a productive discussion about dietetics, then there's no point in you being here (beyond discrediting me as autistic in order to protect your ego)

AUTISM

Instead of posting screenshots of articles, you should post the articles.

Also, when you say "Truly omnivorous", that doesn't seem like a justification to not eat meat.
It just means you shouldn't eat meat in excess.

I've heard that certain blood types absorb nutrients better when its in meat though. Can you confirm or deny the truth of this?

You might as well ask Alex Jones to tell the truth about the moon landing, HAARP, chemtrails, fluoride levels in the water, or the Illuminati.

Is this guy really that bad?

Blood type diet is bullshit, and this isn't an exclusively vegan talking point either (vegans are just more vocal about it because it is often presented as a reason why someone has to eat meat/animal products).

webmd.com/diet/a-z/blood-type-diet

Following definitions from Wikipedia:
So first of all, the biggest proponent of this diet isn't qualified to be giving you advice on how to eat, let alone anything else for that matter.

Anyway, in the article I posted:

en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Blood_type_diet

The video I linked is by a vegan, but they actually have qualifications and research to backup what they're saying, and go into more detail if you're interested.

>en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Michael_Greger
Oy vey.

>>>Holla Forums
I didn't even reference the video in my main argument, it's just there if you want further information. If there's anything Jewy in the video (apart from the narrator) please let me know so I can reevaluate my position/find another resource to link to.

If we weren't meant to eat animal products then why are they so damn tasty.
checkmate.

a lot of bean have phytoestrogens.

ITT: nonvegan faggots trying to make excuses for their shitty diets.
and this guy

OP, i am a health fag. the jews tricked you into eating animal products. Dont be scared to really research this stuff. Do it one food at a time and quickly find out its all really bad. start with researching eggs. AMA.

ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pubmed/19524224
If you're concerned about estrogen, you should be concerned with dairy.
ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pubmed/19524224
So, soy (often perceived to raise estrogen) in fact does not, while dairy does.
Also, when you get more food in your diet from non-animal sources, you will consume more fibre, and this fibre absorbs some of the estrogen in your intestine:
ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pubmed/7144835

There is zero scientific evidence that veganism has health benefits.

And idiots still do this. Some people are born morons I guess, its probably due to low IQ.

ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC4073139/

Also to all Holla Forumsacks reading, here's what Der Fuhrer had to say about vegetarianism:
And what Goebbels said of Hitler's perspective:
Animal rights are a key aspect of NatSoc ideology.

It was a key part of Hitlers regime you mean. Veganism isn't inherent to Nationalism or Pan-ethno Germanism/Anglicism

Nationalism or Pan-ethno Germanism/Anglicism =/= NatSoc. They may take elements from it, but they are not it.

When I refer to "truly omnivorous" animals- I am referring to animals that have the digestive adaptations to eat meat. (Lower PH stomach-acid, higher PH bile, production of Uricase, intestine shorter than 3x body length, lack of cholesterol synthesis, able to synthesize vitamin C, etc. . .)


Blood type diet is total bullshit, it's the kind of stuff that acupuncturists and chiropractors push. There's no evidence to back it up, results from studies aren't repeatable.

Super surprised to find other vegans here, thank you for posting those studies. You are doing God's work. May you be blessed with clean arteries, strong bones, and profound lean-tissue retention in your old-age.


Anything to protect your ego, right?


You might be interested in reading Hitler's plan to better the health of his people- I'm not intimately familiar, but I wouldn't be surprised is it entailed increased plant-food consumption and decreased animal-food consumption

Meh, something's bound to kill me sooner or later.

If Deathdate.info's calculations are correct: most likely it will happen to me in 27 to 33 years because of "air", "work", or "food", probably food. It actually gives me comfort to know when I will die because then I can buy life insurance shortly before my expected time of death.

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HURRR DA AMERICANS R FAT!

Good argument- you totally dismantled all the evidence-based arguments for the health benefits of a vegan diet posted throughout this thread by pointing out that the Graph of U.S. meat consumption roughly correlates with population growth.

These are per-capita.

What is your height and weight?

I didn't know being malnourished was a health benefit.

name one nutrient exclusive to animal products, not synthesized by one's own body, that is necessary for optimum health.

InB4 B12

B12 is produced by anaerobic bacteria commonly found in soil, well-water, and natural streams.

Please read the litany of studies cited in this thread.

Again: What is your height and weight?

Nice reddit spacing. Enjoy your cancer, vegan.

Provide evidence for your claim that following a diet that excludes animal products inherently results in nutrient deficiency, or move-on-

If you've got an axe to grind, here isn't the place to do it.

Nice

Reddit

Spacing

Fam.

Generally speaking diet and health should be seen as a cost/benefit analysis. The "ideal" diet would be a varied "vegetarian" diet with fish consumption, olive oil and nuts. Nevertheless it only results in a reduction of risk, not the elimination of it. The problem with omnivorism in modern society is not intrinsic to omnivorism; sedentary behaviors, added fats, nitrates and added sugars are the bulk of the issue. Case in point, the IARC report found people who ate an obscene amount of processed meat were 1.18 times as likely to have colon cancer than people who did not. Other studies have found that people who exercise frequently are 0.69 times as likely to develop colon cancer as those who do not. When looking at health research it's important to try to look at the big picture rather than get caught up on consciously avoiding the literally hundreds of potential risk factors for different diseases.

Some of the studies ITT are cohort studies, and the problem with dietary cohorts is while cohorts demonstrate causal relations, they're often subject to selection bias, and the cases generalizability to the average person is questionable. Someone who adopts a vegetarian diet is more likely to be more health conscious than the rest of the population; an extreme but infinitely more meaningful cohort would be a case cohort that would follow vegan atheletes in comparison with omnivorous atheletes.

This doesn't mean they're wrong, but the cases and the controls as well as the methodology mean as much or more than the results. The problem here is that few people can interpret them with full confidence; conclusions are much more straightforward.

In any case there's a fair probability that you'll still die from something disappointing simply because age is the biggest risk factor in all of health.

Processed oils are not healthy, fish is not healthy.


Please show me the litany of studies displaying risk-factors for the consumption of vegetables, fruits, legumes, nuts, and seeds -

There's been an awful lot of studies cited in this thread displaying the detriment of consuming meat, dairy, and eggs, can you produce the same number, and quality of, studies to defend this ridiculous "everything in moderation" mentality that's spouted every time it's made evident that an entirely plant-based diet containing no processed foods IS the ideal human diet?

I know they're screen-caps- search the title or any phrase to find the entire document if you feel as though I'm misrepresenting the data by capturing these portions of the studies.

The number one killer in the first-world is heart-disease. The greatest risk factors for heart-disease are saturated fat and cholesterol consumption.


Remember when Nate Diaz beat Connor McGregor at UFC?

Nate Diaz follows a whole-food (little-to-no processed foods) vegan diet.

-And what about vegan-Strongman Patrik Baboumian's numerous record-breaking victories in international weight-lifting competitions?

This

I need more of this.

Lmfao Baboumian's 'numerous victories' include one notable achievment of holding the world record for the log lift, which nobody fucking cares about, its not even a strongman lift. Not only that, Patrik Baboumian uses steroids, all strongmen do. You're a fucking idiot if you think hes a 'vegan', unless you don't count HGH and Clen as an animal product lmfao. UFC fighters are skinny fucks, they don't have to be strong, they have to be light and lean to stay within a specific weight class. Furthermore, you don't get to cherry pick these examples, I won't let you, the biggest problem with a vegan diet is that its incredibly complicated to create a functional eating program with only fruits and vegies. Both of these people have professional dieticians and tons of money to spend in order to not only get the correct nutrients, but also enough calories to live, while making sure the combination of plants they eat doesn't interfere with one another or cause adverse effects. There is NO reason to eat a vegan diet. Its unsafe for people without doctor assistance, it tastes terrible, its unnecessarily complicated, and its expensive. You skinny-fat retards need to let this meme die.

"Polyunsaturated Fatty Acids are Inversely associated with risk of type 2 diabetes in asians"

That's not a positive association btw, which brings me to my point. A negative association between a risk and disease outcome is a protective effect. This is why google scholar without a slight background in epidemiology and biological science is hit or miss, because it's hard to sort through the relevance of said studies.

Unfortunately methodology plays a huge role in dietary studies and most are not very good. It's very expensive to do a RCT on diet, so a lot of what people do is that they find people who have cancer or other illnesses and ask them about their lifestyles. (Interestingly enough if you bungle the methodology badly, you could conclude that diabetic diets were associated with diabetic death). Studies that focus on the physiological implications, or the etiology of disease process are fascinating, but a bulk of it is speculation and shouldn't be presented as evidence without an accompanying cohort of sufficient size to prove a point.


Vegetables etc are healthy provided that they're cleaned or cooked (I focus on infectious diseases professionally). An exclusive diet of fruit isn't, which is why you need to have variety.

"Processed oils are not healthy, fish is not healthy."

The majority of the information on the Mediterranean diet indicates otherwise.

N Engl J Med 2013;368:1279-90.
DOI: 10.1056/NEJMoa120030

Am J Clin Nutr September 2005
vol. 82 no. 3 668-674

Exclusion of fish was associated with marginally higher mortality in the EPIC study.
BMJ 2009;338:b2337 doi:10.1136/bmj.b2337

I would assume that not all fish are equal. Obviously fried fish are right out. Olive oil was also associated with decreased mortality. However nuts are more healthy than olive oil, except in preventing breast cancer.

JAMA Intern Med. 2015;175(11):1752-1760. doi:10.1001/jamainternmed.2015.4838

"Nate Diaz follows a whole-food (little-to-no processed foods) vegan diet."

I suppose you could do a study about the efficacy of vegan diets in sports performance, but me bringing atheletes into this was to emphasize dietary control and physical fitness to rule out confounding variables. Neither strongman competitions nor MMA as far as I'm aware are associated with improved health outcomes, I was thinking more along the lines of ironman and marathon running.

I'm neither disputing that veganism nor vegetarianism is unhealthy. I merely have a few points of dissent as a professional.

Lmfao Baboumian's 'numerous victories' include one notable achievment of holding the world record for the log lift, which nobody fucking cares about, its not even a strongman lift. Not only that, Patrik Baboumian uses steroids, all strongmen do. You're a fucking idiot if you think hes a 'vegan', unless you don't count HGH and Clen as an animal product lmfao. UFC fighters are skinny fucks, they don't have to be strong, they have to be light and lean to stay within a specific weight class. Furthermore, you don't get to cherry pick these examples, I won't let you, the biggest problem with a vegan diet is that its incredibly complicated to create a functional eating program with only fruits and vegies. Both of these people have professional dieticians and tons of money to spend in order to not only get the correct nutrients, but also enough calories to live, while making sure the combination of plants they eat doesn't interfere with one another or cause adverse effects. There is NO reason to eat a vegan diet. Its unsafe for people without doctor assistance, it tastes terrible, its unnecessarily complicated, and its expensive. You skinny-fat retards need to let this meme die.

"Polyunsaturated Fatty Acids are Inversely associated with risk of type 2 diabetes in asians"

That's not a positive association btw, which brings me to my point. A negative association between a risk and disease outcome is a protective effect. This is why google scholar without a slight background in epidemiology and biological science is hit or miss, because it's hard to sort through the relevance of said studies.

Unfortunately methodology plays a huge role in dietary studies and most are not very good. It's very expensive to do a RCT on diet, so a lot of what people do is that they find people who have cancer or other illnesses and ask them about their lifestyles. (Interestingly enough if you bungle the methodology badly, you could conclude that diabetic diets were associated with diabetic death). Studies that focus on the physiological implications, or the etiology of disease process are fascinating, but a bulk of it is speculation and shouldn't be presented as evidence without an accompanying cohort of sufficient size to prove a point.


Vegetables etc are healthy provided that they're cleaned or cooked (I focus on infectious diseases professionally). An exclusive diet of fruit isn't, which is why you need to have variety.

"Processed oils are not healthy, fish is not healthy."

The majority of the information on the Mediterranean diet indicates otherwise.

N Engl J Med 2013;368:1279-90.
DOI: 10.1056/NEJMoa120030

Am J Clin Nutr September 2005
vol. 82 no. 3 668-674

Exclusion of fish was associated with marginally higher mortality in the EPIC study.
BMJ 2009;338:b2337 doi:10.1136/bmj.b2337

I would assume that not all fish are equal. Obviously fried fish are right out. Olive oil was also associated with decreased mortality. However nuts are more healthy than olive oil, except in preventing breast cancer.

JAMA Intern Med. 2015;175(11):1752-1760. doi:10.1001/jamainternmed.2015.4838

"Nate Diaz follows a whole-food (little-to-no processed foods) vegan diet."

I suppose you could do a study about the efficacy of vegan diets in sports performance, but me bringing atheletes into this was to emphasize dietary control and physical fitness to rule out confounding variables. Neither strongman competitions nor MMA as far as I'm aware are associated with improved health outcomes, I was thinking more along the lines of ironman and marathon running.

I'm neither disputing that veganism nor vegetarianism is unhealthy. I merely have a few points of dissent.

"ridiculous "everything in moderation" "
When you're involved in healthcare and health research you gain a different perspective. My clinical experiences have taught me that despite all the associations with probability that we have to develop medical recommendations, you simply can't account for everything; I knew a doctor who was a good man, a marathon runner who ate very little meat and died of terminal early onset amyotrophic lateral sclerosis which was partially triggered due to the stress put on his body, but largely because of hereditary factors. Were it not for his exercise he may have had another decade and if not for his genetics he would have probably lived past 90. He spent the few months of his life wanting to die. Medicine, preventative or otherwise is a necessary act of futility.

I'm actually glad you dragged me into this because in dredging up some of the relevant studies it reminded me of other work I have to do. I might hop in later, maybe tomorrow. I'm out for now.

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That doesn't mean you shouldn't strive for an ideal diet.

Have you read The China Study?

The health benefits Mediterranean Diet pale in comparison to the Whole-food Plant-based Diet espoused by Dr. Michael Greger, Dr. Caldwell Essylstein, Dr. Neal Bernard, Dr. Milton Mills, Dr. T. Colin Campbell, and Dr. John A. McDougall.

The health of people following the Mediterranean Diet was in-spite of the fish and oil, not because of it. It's notable that the Mediterranean Diet contains a lot more whole plant-foods than the Standard American Diet.


. . . and the other studies I posted regarding fish? What of them?

BTW I think you're a pretty cool dude- much more level headed than the other "vegan=scrawny and malnourished" /fit/izen types in this thread.


A) Provide evidence that it is unsafe.

B) You have shit taste. Fruits and vegetables are delicious- if you mean gourmet vegan meat-alternatives then, yeah, those are pretty lame.

>UFC fighters are skinny fucks, they don't have to be strong,

Nate Diaz (Vegan) still beat Connor Mcgregor (Meat-eater), didn't he?


Still proves that you can do just as well, if not better, than any meat-eater on a vegan-diet.


That's total bullshit. Southeast-Asian Buddhists have been doing it for decades. What's so hard about rice, beans, and steamed vegetables- what's so hard about oatmeal and a fruit smoothie?

Enjoy your reduced testicular function from your cholesterol consumption, enjoy atherosclerosis, enjoy atherosclerosis-induced erectile-dysfunction, enjoy getting mammalian estrogen from your dairy inducing gynaecomastia, enjoy your increased feminizing pthalate exposure etc. . .

Can the based vegan geniuses ITT run through a solid fundamental diet for me to try?

You mean retarded vegan cucks, right?

psychologytoday.com/blog/evolutionary-psychiatry/201211/youre-vegetarian-have-you-lost-your-mind

womenshealthmag.com/food/side-effects-of-vegetarianism

ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC3466124/

"The health of people following the Mediterranean Diet was in-spite of the fish and oil, not because of it" One of the DOI's I linked referenced relative risk ratios based on exclusion; basically how did health compare in people who did not eat certain foods. Inclusion of fish was associated with marginally better results than exclusion of fish, but it was far from the most important aspect of the diet. I believe it was derived from the EPIC study, which follows an obscene number of people. There are still a few problems with cohort studies despite being one of my personal favorite methodologies.


". . . and the other studies I posted regarding fish? What of them?"

I'll be honest. I'm in a postgraduate program that is basically applied health data analysis and it takes me a solid 10 minutes to read through one of these enough to make a statement that shows a degree of confidence in the material. There's a lot to these studies besides the results sections and you're going to get different results based on how you do a study and what you measure. I simply don't have enough time at the moment to make a conclusion that I will be happy and confident about. If this thread is still up this weekend when I've finished my weekly course load I'll look into it.

I've heard about the China study and I've also heard of criticisms about the China study. I don't know enough to have a solid opinion. If or when I find the time to read it, I'll likely have criticisms but I might be able to get some good ideas and research questions out of it. I may start an academic paper soon on the etiology of… well basically dairy on cancer formation. It seems to be calcium that actually contributes cancer through suppression of Vitamin D rather than bGH or IGF and I have some questions based on other literature I've read.

The other articles were tl:dr, I can dump article after article about veganism if I wanted to, but I don't because I know no one here will read them. summarise the main points in the longer articles if you want a response to them.

I didn't read the article, but I'd say vegans would be slightly more likely to be depressed because they think about the sadness of the world, which is one of the reasons they are vegan in the first place.

Not really.

I don't care about responses. Just pointing out that vegan cucks are deluded retards, that's all.

I don't have a detailed diet plan, but if you're concerned about meeting basic nutrient requirements that are normally fulfilled by animal products, I'll outline some sources below (not an exhaustive list, there's other sources than these out there):
Fish (omega 3):
Flaxseeds and chia seeds are the best source imo; you can add them to smoothies, with flaxseed meal you can use it for cooking, or just eat it by itself. You can also buy flaxseed oil capsules, but ideally you shouldn't need to use supplements (it may make it easier to transition though if you're just starting).
Meat (iron, zinc, B12, protein):
For iron you can eat lentils, spinach, soybeans and soy products (tofu, tempeh) or you can supplement. Try to eat iron sources with sources of vitamin C as well, it helps with absorbing the iron so your body can use it.
For zinc, pumpkin seeds, cashews are good sources, or again, supplementation.
B12 - supplement it or get fortified foods (if you're in Australia, sanitarium's soy milk has 200% RDI/litre, if you look in your local shop wherever you live, you should find something similar). Factory farmed livestock are supplemented with it anyway because normally they'd get it from bacteria in the dirt where they're grazing, and prehistoric humans could also get it this way when they foraged for vegetables, potatoes, etc. so you're consuming B12 supplements one way or another, except this way you get the supplement directly.
Protein sources I eat include beans (especially soybeans and soy products), nuts, lentils, as well as mock meats.
Dairy (B12 (see above), calcium, vitamin D, phosphorus, iodine):
Calcium can be found in tofu, fortified products (sanitarium soymilk has 200% RDI/litre), collard greens, kale, spinach.
Vitamin D can be found in mushrooms, or you can go outside in the sun for a bit and your body makes it itself.
Phosphorus is in pumpkin seeds, and 100% RDI/litre sanitarium soymilk.
To get enough iodine just eat some sushi every once in a while, sea vegetables have fuckloads of it, or if you don't like sushi you can supplement.
Eggs (some things I've already mentioned, + choline):
Collard greens, wheat germ, cauliflower, spinach.

I think that covers it.

Yes really
ty for your opinion

You've got some serious mental issues. Probably because you are a vegetable fucker.

Check'd

So close

reddit.

whose ass did u pull that out?

Masturbating is the worst thing you can do to your body.

That's because with every cum your zinc goes to shitter and even zinc supplement wont help to replenish it fast enough.

Overall masturbation to porn for men was the worst thing happen in our history. Men became passive and unproductive. They dont care about being fat becasue they dont care about women. The only thing that will save western civilization isnt right wing politics but men sexuality.

DONT MASTRUBATE YOU PEASANTS WHO ARE READING THIS. You will go full peperoni pizza.

Flouride is bad for you and should not be consumed. It shouldn't be avoided in toothpaste, though. It also doesn't work the way OP thinks it does.

8 glasses a day goy, it's good for jew.

Dr. Michael Greger has a website called Nutritionfacts.org with detailed videos on diet with scientific evidence- please check him out.

Other doctors (Physicians and Cardiologists) to check out are Dr. Neal Bernard, Dr. John A. McDougall, Dr. Cladwell Essylstein, and Dr. T. Colin Campbell.

Best wished, and god-bless.

Please don't take more than 50mg of zinc per day. The supplements are 50mg each and you can overdose with two tablets easily.

I made this mistake when I heard about this masturbation=zinc defficiency meme- took 3 tablets and was puking, weak, and in intense pain all day.

Also because zinc and some other minerals have to be maintained within a ratio or it leads to deficiencies in whichever one isn't being consumed in excess.

What I experienced was an acute zinc overdose.

It's better to eat foods rich in zinc, as opposed to taking supplements IMO

+1, supplements can be helpful, but when you rely on them for your dietary requirements, you need to reexamine your diet.