Is this white kino or christian kino?

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Wasn't this written way before the atomic bomb?

you're millennial, aren't you

No, it was published in 1954. Of course, the first chapters and the whole Ring thing was written already in 1944.

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It was a serious question and this doesn't answer it.
Other than it maybe having some Christian influences it never gave me a Christian vibe like the Narnia books did.
Also, I always see people say Tolkien hated allegory, so why would someone who hates allegory make an allegorical book series about Christianity?
I'm not a fucking Tolkien scholar, so forgive me for not knowing exactly how many shits he took while writing the first chapter.

Confirmed for underage alt-righter

fucking ayyyy

A hint: don't talk about stuff you don't know about. Nobody here is going to give your reddit upscales or care about your post count.

I asked a question in order to educate myself.
How else am I supposed to come to an understanding about this?
Google it and find a shitton of conflicting bullshit opinions on it that are even more uneducated than anything I could type out?

Yes.

These "I am too above to even answer" replies are from people who can't answer and try to overplay it. Just ignore him

So you don't actually know any more than I do and I'm just being fucked with.
Thanks.

Seems like you didn't need my advice

I'll give you some reddit gold votes friend ;^)

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All kino is non-black. That much you should know by now.

Old niggers get of my board

True kino.

btw have some art

If you read the first chapters of the Simarillion it is very clear that the work is a synthesis of Tolkien's Catholic beliefs and pagan Nordic myths. In this Tolkien was copying Beowulf, a work he was intimately familiar with.

If you understand Catholic theology all of Tolkien's views on evil flow from that. Namely, Catholicism posits that in spite of Satan's wickedness, he cannot overcome the ultimate good nature of the universe, and so all his actions will only reveal God's glory.

Similarly, the music of the Ainur, in spite of Melkor's discordant notes and seeming overwhelming of the music, shall only serve to highlight Eru's power when he ends the discord with a single note.

Tolkien also considered the Elves as observers of the creation of man, and they interpret mortality as the Gift which allows Men to get closer to Eru than they can (Men see mortality as a curse which they were given for their sins, and Tolkien is purposefully vague in the story). Similarly, Men are given a task and importance that the Elves are not (an allusion to Christ's birth among them and their position as freely choosing good or evil.)

The Ring itself is an exemplar of Catholic thought on sin: the Act of Contrition, the Catholic prayer for forgiveness, ends with an admonishment to avoid the 'mere occasion of sin' under the belief that if you put yourself in circumstances where you are tempted, you will sin. In Tolkien's works, the wisest characters won't even touch the ring, because they state it would corrupt them.

The mercy shown to Gollum is another example, as the act of mercy - a seeming act of weakness on Bilbo's part by Pagan morality - is the key reason the ring was ultimately destroyed.

The long and short of it is that everything Tolkien wrote either came from ancient germanic myth or his Catholic theology, and that in a faceoff between the two, the latter typically won.

DUDE GOLLUM LMAO!

good reply

Wow what deep catholic theology. This is what christcucks cite as evidence. LMAO He was a cultural christian at best.
Keep in mind that he lived in a time when christianity, traditionalism and ethnic identity were still tied together. Christcuckery has zero to do with any of the values or lessons from the Lord of the Ring

JRR Tolkien is literally the guy who converted CS Lewis, who went on to write multiple explicitly Christian works. I'm sorry if this puts a damper on your LARP sessions but you are wrong.

Evidence for that claim you pulled out your ass?

He was a devout Catholic and his letters bear that out. He agonized over the creation of the Orcs for example, because he couldn't have a race born into damnation. He settled on the idea they were tortured Elves after experimenting with the idea they were soulless constructs without true life in them.

See:
His values are clearly at odds with christianity

Are you fucking simple or something?

He was a christian the same way Chesterton was a christian. Neither would be today and from Tolkien we know for certain that he rejected Vat 2

DUDE JEEBUS LMAO!

Such as?

I bet the humans of Middle Earth wished they weren't nigger tier retards and had managed to progress farther than glorifed spear chucking in all the millennia between the fall of Sauron.

Maybe the orkish coons wouldn't have been such a threat if they had machineguns and tanks.

This is a statement, not a fact. One would think you are just trolling.

Tolkien admonished his son to pray for people who didn't pay attention in Church, that they might start doing so. The claim 'he wouldn't be a christian today becuz he's just like me and I am not a christian' is false.

Look up '"Leaf" by Niggle,' a short story that Tolkien wrote about a man in Purgatory gaining salvation. He wasn't some vague Christian, he was pretty devout.

Kinship, self defense, honor

How are those at odds with Christianity?

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He's a fedora or LARPagab who is ignorant of history, so to him Christians or 'christcucks' never fought in any wars or had a martial tradition. It was always hidden Pagans and atheists who were resisting the Jewish religion of Christianity.

Yeah right and Hitler was a christian too. I'm not denying that he was personally engaged in the church but this doesn't make the Lord of the Rings a christian book as he incorporated his own values into it not the churches. Sometimes they matched sometimes they don't.

Because cuckstainity promotes race mixing and bending over. Tolkien just lived in a time when society was less cucked so the church pandered to it by saying less cucked things

They didn't fight for Christianity. Christianity has nothing to say about race realism, and if they didn't come with sword in hand they'd be welcome in Europe.

No, it was always secular powers understanding the truth of race that defended Europe from the subhumans, while the Jews and their Christian lapdogs did everything in their power to undermine and weaken native European culture and traditions at every turn.

They had that despite their cuckstainity not because of it
Neither. But we all know /christian/ is just cultural christian and throws christianity out the window whenever it is at odds with Holla Forums. I'm just acknowledging Tolkien would have done the same if he'd have seen what the church became

en.wikipedia.org/wiki/The_Lord_of_the_Rings#Influences

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This is Muslim tier nonsense, where they retcon every prophet to have been 'really a Muslim' in an attempt to make themselves always right.

The Church used to kill people who said Jesus wasn't equal with God. Any Muslims who tried to move into Christendom without converting would have been considered infidels and killed, weapons or not (and Muslims don't convert).

The current migration acceptance is only possible in a secular, post-Christian world which is afraid of any sort of judgement.

So which LOTR character would Frankie be? Is there one who calls the orc invasion a good thing and that diversity will make Gondor stronger?
Are the many gay couples inspired by his catholicism?

You're a dumb nigger that has no understanding of Christian theology. Read up on Iconoclasm, Germanic/"barbarian" interpretations of Christianity and all the good stuff before you embarrass yourself with your ignorance you stupid kike lover.

Yeah, not like the Pope isn't telling the stupid goyim to stop complaining and tear down their borders and welcome their replacements.

I wonder when it will dawn on you cucks that Christianity is not the religion of the white man anymore. The Church has no need of you, you're the dwindling minority, they want to squeeze whatever money they can get out of you before they replace you with niggers and spics.

At least you admit you're only a cultural christian. We all been there but one day you'll realise it's easier to just say what you want instead of trying to bend christianity into all the contradicting views you hold

The question that kills all cultural christianity:
Would you prefer a Europe full of brown christians or white NatSocs?

Leftists stole all their shit from Christianity. Jesus might as well have been the distant ancestor of Marx.

Thanks for actually answering my question.

That scripture is about people within your own community. Concerning outsiders, Jesus said to not receive them into your home and not to bless them as you send them packing.

racism is a sin

Then why the hell are lefties giving so much welfare to niggers?

You already know better than the jews who wrote the bible. Why not be so honest to say: yeah there may be some good but also a lot of bullshit in this

The harder you scream the more hilarious you get.

Leftism is inherently anti-white. Their sole goal, as a Jewish front, is the extermination of the white race. Whatever bullshit they spew only applies to whites and honorary whites.

It's hobbit kino

Considering that Hitler openly described the National Socialist movement as an explicitly Christian one, a Europe full of White NatSocs is pretty much the ideal.

All who accept Christ are brothers.

ahahaha drumpfcucks

White and christian are opposites. So would you prefer white natsoc europe or brown christian?

At least you are honest. That's more than most cuckstains can say.
Runner-down

Seeing all those FUCKING WHITE MALES, he went up on the mountain, and when he sat down, his disciples came to him.

And he opened his mouth and taught them, saying:

“Blessed are the niggerlovers, for theirs is the kingdom of heaven.

“Blessed are the weak, for they shall inherit the earth.

“Blessed are those who are tolerant and diverse, for their wife shall be satisfied.

“Blessed are the merciful, for they shall get murdered by nigger savages.

“Blessed are the good goys, for they shall serve the jew.

“Blessed are the step-dads, for they shall be called beta bux.

“Blessed are those who give their country to invaders, for they will get a spot in heaven to compensate.

OMG GUYS DON'T YOU GET IT? Rabbi Yeshua said if I let rapists into my daughter he will buy me a jetski in heaven
#Jewsuswasarefugee

But as long as they convert to (((Christianity))), it's ok if the shitskins flood in and taint the European gene pool.

Ahem goyim, you're grandfather ate an apple so you have original sin and will get tortured in hell forever unless you give us all your possessions and let migrants into your wife.

How could anybody ever fall for this?

Trick question, for it's not kino. The Bakshi version, on the other hand, is high kino.

SHEIT
Watched this as a kid and forgot about it. Is it online?

kek

Post more.

Yeah, it's on Putlocker, enjoy the nostalgia: putlockers.ch/watch-the-lord-of-the-rings-online-free-putlocker.html

The moment passed. I'm not interested anymore. But thanks anyway

Ah what the heck. I'll watch it.

It's closer to pagan kino because Tolkein was interested in creating a fantasy setting based purely on european folklore because that would make it distinctly european. Studying Tolkein gets you closer to the essence of european folklore and bypasses the fakeness brought about by christian missionaries during the middle ages, modern pagan LARPers that never read a damn book, and everything in between. That subject in itself is extremely hard to study because you're dealing with ages of christian disinfo to paint the preceding european folk religion as a shade of what it really was. Most pagan LARPers are emulating christian subversive stories, as was the modus operandi of the northern crusaders and their missionary ilk.

Oh and don't forget he was friends with the guy who made a fantasy setting that was both blatantly and admittedly subtextual about christian beliefs and had a jesus lion. So if Tolkein was interested in that, he coul have made it closer to Narnia. But he wasn't.

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The wiki's a good source for art because you can just search for what you want but some of the pics are low-res.
tolkiengateway.net

You extremely off the mark. Tolkien's work was different from Narnia exactly because of Tolkien's catholic faith. Lazy analogy about Jesus expy is extra heretical, while everything about Eru's creation is completely in line with Tolkien's Christian beliefs. There's no Jesus in Middle Earth because he is only born thousands years later.

How would Tolkien answer that question in your cucked opinion?

Alright fams, in which order is Tolkien to read? Can I read LOTR standalone or do I have to start with Hobshit? What about the other books?

Hobbit is mandatory as the first read because retroactively it's not gonna fit into your perception of Middle Earth after the main books, but as an entry point that gets naturally expanded later it's perfect. Then the main trilogy. After that Silmarillion and all the other periphery assuming you are patrician and will get hooked.

Tolkien hated nazis, he was part of the best goyim after all.

Reading Silmarillion and watching the movies is enough for any shitposting needs.

true spirit of reddit

Literally reddit.

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"If I am to understand that you are enquiring whether I am of Jewish origin, I can only reply that I regret that I appear to have no ancestors of that gifted people."

t. goodgoy tolkien

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¿pue que no los dos?

You have to go back though >>>/reddit/

maybe it was sarcasm
sounds kind of edgy

Because that was a campaign strategy and christianity is inherentlx anti-white

Holla Forums will never understand christianity because the most important point of it is sacrifice, and Holla Forums would never get off their fat asses to sacrifice for their people. And no, sacrifice doesn't equal martydom. Hard work at the expense of your own fullfillment is sacrifice. In simpler terms, you can't get off your arse and stop jacking it, playing vidya, watching TV, browsing memes, or just generally LARPing and indulging in escapism to actually make a fucking change for once.

>Hitler was nothing but a mere lying politician just like everyone else!
your nose is showing shlomo…

Answer the question christlarper

Cultural cuckstains arevthe worst. You literally piss on your race despite better knowledge
Please kill yourself

Weren't most Christian Knight orders and kingdoms of the old ages extremely authoritarian and brutal? It's not like regilious beliefs ever stopped hypocrisy. Technically the things Israel and the Islamic countries do isn't 100% compatible with their religions, yet they still do it.

You are not better that them. You have so little in your life and your own culture that you have to take the culture of a people from thousands of years ago as your own to feel like you have anything special in you. Why don't you accomplish something of your own instead of taking the self-righteous holier-that-thou aptitude on a dumb internet forum you hypocrite.

Yeah. And racial egalitarians.

I know but why. We are freed from the cuckshed of christianity. Why return just to not listen to it again? Christianity is dead either way

Fucking common filth faggots all over this thread.

This is the dictionary example of projecting

I'm doing my own already thank you. And in my free time I mock cuck larpers.

wat

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"I do this to get my spot in heaven" isn't sacrifice. It's economic. Sacrifice is doing something without a reward cucklarper

I'm not a Christian I am just some guy.

Oh and I did not say that. I don't like NatSoc. It's dead anyway. It was Hitler's movement not yours, it cannot be duplicated because you're not fucking german in the weimar republic, you're a burger on burgerland and the issues of today, even if similar in some ways, are still completely different. And although I don't exactly like all of nazi germany I do like Hitler and appreciate his succes history because he is a man that crawled through the dirt and to the top, saving his people and then sadly failing. I can admire that.

A good person does what they do because it is in their nature. Most people are evil, but a very tiny minority of the population is good and I do not need to preach and herd these people because their good heart will guide them to the right path. Gods or no, good will prevail on earth in the end.

As a missionary I disagree whole heartedly, every community ravaged I've seen has banded together. Except africans

10/10 christcuckoldry, would laugh again.

Christians try to claim ownership of anything via plausible allegory for two reasons. First and foremost, they have to extrapolate tons and tons of plausible meaning from yeshua's teachings in order rationalize that yeshua had an answer for everything in the ~300 or so pages supposedly recounting his "exact" words. This mindset leads to the next problem, claiming anything done by a christian is somehow christian in and of itself. It's like the we wuz kangz mindset by proxy. Because a person from an era where the vast majority of people in the west were christian did something, it is their christian imperative to use the same level of extrapolation of the bible and apply it to that person's work and words, and prove it has christian subtexts. They've been doing this longer than post-modernist pseudo-intellectuals, whereas post-modernists try to retroactively apply every literature canon as a capitalism versus communism allegory, christians do this to prove that yeshua is still relevant in Current Year +2. Not even HL3 hopefuls read this hard into Gabe Newell's words and valve game updates.

underrated post

Wait I thought Hitler was some pseudo Pagan or at least the Nazi High command were.

Hitler was deist but no real defined fixed convictions.
Himmler was pseudo pagan.

That was just allied propaganda to make Hitler scary to the normalfags.

He took the green pill. When will you kafirs follow his example?

When they fix all the fuck ups momo did like conflating characters n shit

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I already did

If you remove the pedos, the inbreeding and the shitty clothes from islam it's alright.

ftfy

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