Captain america

I think he has a legitimate reason to dislike him, since anti-semitism is a reasonable position to take politically and not at all a delusion.

Batman literally has a rule where he won't kill people despite the fact that he should have killed the Joker years ago.Who's the real pussy? They guy who wants to be a good person or the guy who refuses to do the right thing to stick to some arbitrary principle.

You fail, miserably.

Modern Iron Man refuses to manufacture weapons and wants to use his company solely to produce free energy for the world.

Batman has always had a strict rule against killing his enemies, no matter how evil they are or how many people they kill, and he also refuses to use guns.

Superman will use guns if it suits him, and has kiled villains if he sees them kill someone else, especially his own friends. By your terms, your characters suck for the reason you've outlined and you've outed yourself as a fool.

On top of that, the primary reason Superman tries to avoid killing if at all possible is because there are tons of timelines where he snaps and then he takes over/destroys the world as a result. The JLU cartoon had a plot about this happening if Lex Luthor goaded him into killing him, the entire basis of Injustice is Superman snapping after The Joker kills Lois (who was pregnant) and he kills Joker.

Superman is the most overrated crap ever because he is literally a super jew, kal-el, while batman is a goy, this is why they have destroyed and manipulated batman all the time, batman was used as a pedo joke untill it was destroyed, then it was used as a prey for superman but people loved him.

Comics arent free and at the very end single mothers and tards dont buy them ever.

t. autistic guy who's never read a comic book.

Perhaps you need a rip of this friendo

I prefer Batman. He gets a neat duality going with a lot of villains since they're reflections of the unsavory aspects of himself, though that can vary wildly depending on the plot. In general superheros are only as good as the person writing the story

This is false. Superheroes practically died out in the years following WWII, that much was true, but after being nearly dead for over a decade (the only golden age superhero comics to not get cancelled at the time were Superman, Batman, Wonder Woman, Green Arrow, and I think maybe Aquaman), they experienced a revival in the late '50s and early '60s with DC's reboots of characters like The Flash, Green Lantern, and Hawkman, and the rise of the modern age of Marvel Comics, with The Fantastic Four and the many, many characters created for the company in the early '60s.

Of course, part of why this happened is that the Comics Code Authority made superheroes one of the only viable genres, as the draconian rules on things like violence and sexuality effectively banned genres that had become more dominant in the '50s, like romance and horror. Killing romance comics largely killed off the female audience that up to that point did actually buy comics. Killing anything close to "mature themes" killed off much adult interest. What you were left with was a bunch of kids, the most autistic of whom grew up to eventually write and draw the comics which, up to 1970, were still under exactly the same rules. In 1970 the CCA loosened restrictions on things like horror elements (zombies and vampires were up to that point specifically banned), and allowed drugs to be depicted as long as it was in a negative light (since president Nixon specifically suggested that Marvel do an anti-drug issue). This allowed those kids, who were now just getting to the age where they were starting to work at these companies, to make things a tiny bit more "mature" but very much for kids. That veneer of maturity on a very childish product is like catnip for autists, and by the '80s, comics were sold in special shops, comic book stores, just for those autists. These sold so well for a time that companies started marketing specifically for those shops instead of places where kids would previously see comics, like at newsstands in grocery stores and shit.

By the early '90s, people started hearing about certain comics selling at auction for hundreds of thousands of dollars, so they thought comics were valuable collectors items and started buying up comics like Marvel's new X-Men #1, making it the best selling comic issue ever, not realizing that it was worth nothing not only because it wasn't really the first issue, but because it was literally the least rare comic in existence. It would never be worth as much as the first issue to feature Superman, the first superhero ever, where only like three original copies still exist.

But companies started marketing to these speculators. Killing Superman and crippling Batman and making Green Lantern evil. At the same time, the comics code had slowly eroded and those autists were fully running the asylum, entering an age of grimdark comics, releasing all that pent up aggression that was censored for decades. But since they grew up reading superheroes, that's still all that got made. Those other dead genres never came back. And of course the grimdark was called such because it wasn't actually mature, it was only mature by autistic standards. So normalfags still didn't want to read it. And even if they did, they couldn't, because the lore had become so autistic, and the writers loved to rely on it so much, that you couldn't pick up an issue and understand it without reading at least dozens of others.

The speculator bubble resulted in Marvel trying their hand at not only publishing, but distributing as well, as they figured they were a more successful company who could handle more aspects of their own business. They couldn't. The bubble burst at just that moment and with the new expenses, Marvel went bankrupt, forced to lease off all the movie rights to their characters to stay alive. In the next decade this would pay off for them in a big way, but for now, Diamond Distributing, who already handled DC and IIRC Image, took over distributing Marvel, gaining an effective monopoly over comic book distributing, which the Supreme Court ignored because they ruled that comics are the same as other magazines like Time and People and shit. Diamond realized that they took less short term loss from comic book stores than from newsstands, because comic book stores' contracts said they couldn't return unsold books, they just kept them in their stores for later collectors. Newstands would return any unsold copies at the end of the month. So diamond stopped selling outside comic book stores. So you could no longer find any comics except Archie (the one major company not distributed by Diamond) unless you went to a comic book store, which you wouldn't unless you already liked comics. Not to mention that when the speculator bubble burst the majority of comic book stores went out of business. So new customers stopped being a thing. By the end of the '90s, comics were pretty much dead. I am not exaggerating when I say that customers literally dying is now a serious issue for comics publishers, as they are now an industry that relies on aging autistic whales who can't stop collecting the same series they bought when they were kids in the '80s, and tricking those whales into buying even more by making crossovers that require you to buy literally hundreds of issues in order to understand a single story, which of course scares away the few new readers who actually do find their way into a comic book store. Also prices rose much faster than inflation since they can no longer sell at a high scale anymore.

Then, starting with X-Men in 2000, those movie rights Marvel had to lease in the late '90s started paying off big time. (Blade technically came out in 2000, but people didn't even realize that was a comic book, and it was X-Men that made everyone jump on the bandwagon). The companies realized that was where the money was, and now comics basically exist as promotional material for the movies, and an occasional testing ground for stories to check how well they hit with a limited audience before sending them to a more expensive medium. Comics have been dead for about 20 years now.

And Cap is a pretty cool guy. He fights nazis and doesn't afraid of anything. He has the appeal of Superman without the powers, basically. He stands as a paragon of good, but the best stories still challenge him and make him question what he really stands for, or if he can live up to the image he has. Or you can take it from a third person perspective and see how others react to this man who is a living legend. Then you also have the "man out of time" aspect which can make for interesting stories, though it isn't really relevant in modern comics, even though it is in the movies.

You can easily argue they fill the same role. A lot of modern comics are about that. Even if you don't believe the characters are real, the ideas they represent are, and they can make you think about those ideas and instill them in you. Many Superman stories are just about punching aliens and shit, but many are clearly made with the point of inspiring the reader to be a better person. In fact, in stories like Final Crisis and Multiversity, it becomes an actual plot point that Superman literally reaches out to the readers and tries to instill them with good (while bad guys like Darkseid try to instill them with apathy and defeatism so they can be manipulated for evil). Interaction with the real world is a relatively common theme in modern comics, really since the '80s. Suffice to say that a lot of the most influential writers in comics call themselves literal wizards who cast spells on people with their comics.

The Comedian is an homage to other characters, specifically Peacemaker. There are plenty of others more similar to him though, like USAgent. But a large part of Captain America's story is that he was frozen in WWII and awoken in modern times (originally the 1960s, complete with hippies and shit). The entire point is that he represents ideas that seem to have become forgotten or out of place today.

Go to bed, Lex. You're drunk.

Also, that's the point of practically all superheroes. Certainly Batman and Iron Man. If anything, Batman has a stricter moral code than Superman. Superman will kill under rare but repeated circumstances. He executed the Zod of an alt universe he visted where Zod had destroyed most of earth. He killed Imperiex when he was gonna destroy the universe. Batman shot Darkseid with a god bullet one time but Darkseid was already a ghost and shooting him didn't even really kill him, The Flashes had to help death catch up to his ghost as it fell backwards in time and then Superman had to sing his opposite frequency to erase him from existence. And then he was reborn back in his own universe.

Also, it's implied Superman was aware of the time the Justice League fucked with the personalities and memories of a bunch of supervillains and then Batman when Batman wasn't gonna let them do it. He didn't openly support it, but he stayed silent on it because he felt he had to sacrifice some principles this time. This then came back to bite them in the ass decades later. But the point is that the best Superman stories frequently deal with how he doesn't have a perfect sense of morality, and then show how he deals with difficult situations, especially as others continue to see him as perfect (which he openly discourages).

Only on very rare occasions. Most of the time it results in an alt timeline where he goes full crazy.

This is the same for Batman. Not only does he keep around Nightwing and Robin and Batgirl and all the rest of his huge extended family just in case he goes crazy, but he keeps the Justice League organized as extra backup. Of course he also has plans to kill all of them if he really needs to, but with Robin's help they could probably do it.

The latest movie pretty much has Superman as prey for Batman. The whole movie was about how much Superman sucked and then had an extended "fight" that was pretty much just Batman beating the shit out of him for 10 minutes. Even though the book it was based on, a Batman book, still has Batman "win" by dying, Wimp Lo style.

This is the cool part of Superman. He probably doesn't have as many good ones as Batman, but Lex Luthor alone is very interesting from this perspective. While Superman is called Superman, it is Lex Luthor who, at least in certain interpretations, is the Nietzchean ubermensch. But then you have other stories that deconstruct this further and argue that it is still Kal-El who is the ubermensch, not due to his powers, but due to his more thoughtful and willful personality. Luthor is just a wannabe ubermensch. But either way, Superman and Luthor lend themselves well to philosophical discussions.

Thanks for correcting the record.

Dubs.

Agree 99%

*the first american superhero ever

BTW, nip cyberpunk started that "edgy modern thing" if i am not wrong.

BTW 2: marvel is just a cheap rip off.

BTW3, cap usa questions show the evolution of propaganda in our societies, no real questions.

Is a fact.

BTW4, your autism is amuzing in a very positive way, thanks you sir.

With just a dash of Holla Forumsack trash.

Well, disney own marvel now and the new meme is that jews dont harm anybody ever.

Facts, again, nip edgyness was stopped by the same reason comic books become childish, laws censoring them, thats a fact, read this please:

thanks for that. very interesting

You can argue there were superheroes going back to Gilgamesh if you really want to, but Superman is the first superhero in the modern sense of the term, even though he's a direct ripoff of Hugo Danner from Philip Wylie's novel, Gladiator.

Maybe, but it's quite amusing how quickly comics took full advantage of any times the CCA loosened their rules at all. As soon as vampires were unbanned, Spider-Man became practically a horror comic for a little while, with the introduction of Morbius, and the Six-Arms Saga. Then Dracula quickly became one of their highest selling comics. And things like Swamp Thing and Man Thing took off. Kids love seeming mature, and kids are the audience, while manchildren are the creators, so they went right out of their way to seem as "mature" as possible. And in the '70s this was at reasonable levels, but by the '90s things went off the rails until there was major backlash. But things never really went back to normal. Infinite Crisis is a comic where a guy from the real world (an author avatar) complains about how dark and edgy the DCU has gotten since he was a kid in the mid-80s. He then sets out to fix the universe with his bare hands, by ripping multiple Teen Titans in half and killing the original Superman from Action Comics #1, all while claiming he didn't want it to be this way, and the new universe is what's making him do it. Modern comics writers are aware of the backlash against being edgy, and they write stories about how it's bad to be edgy, but they just can't stop doing it.

Marvel pioneered a lot of shit, like superhero team ups, and more personal drama in stories. Marvel comics from the '60s feel much, much more modern than DC from the same era. Though DC would quickly try to catch up. Plus, when it comes right down to it, it's all the same shit. They're both canon to each other due to DC vs Marvel and JLA/Avengers, and their relationship can be cool. In Multiveristy #2, The Empty Hand, a DC villain, destroyed the Marvel Multiverse just to show off to President Superman. This came out the same week that the Marvel Universe was actually destroyed in its own crossover. DC and Marvel work well together usually. The stealth crossovers and shit are cool.

Arguably. I'd argue it strongly depends on the writer. But you could easily say the same for superhero comics as a whole. You could say they're all propaganda. They certainly all were during WWII. And you can argue that the questions they try to raise today are all shallow and trite. But I think that, with most of them, you can always find a few gems in the piles and piles of shit that make up their long running series.

Batman and Superman are DC characters. DC has been owned by Warner Bros since the '60s. I know this doesn't change your point, but my autism is triggered by how this clearly wasn't a typo.

Fun fact: Ultimate Spider-Man (who remember, Holla Forumslacks, was an alternate universe version of Spidey) was one of the only canon jews in comics. The only others I can think of off the top of my head are The Thing, Kitty Pryde, and Ragman (who is pretty damn obscure). Ultimate Spider-Man was then killed and replaced with a black latino. Does this mean Disney places blacks/latinos over jews?

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He's got Batman's powers with Superman's personality.